GUNS/RLTD Worried about neighbor's weapons stockpile

[joyfulheart]

I have a neighbor. He means well, but is odd. Known him several years.

I am very close friends with his family, so we all know eachother. The guy is harmless, but he's starting to worry me.

I keep telling myself he's harmless, but he's awkard. Talks about zombies and doomy stuff nonstop. He is very wealthy, and spends ALOT of money on weapons and ammo. His place is full, i mean FULLLLL of weapons and ammo. So much that every time he goes to a gun show, we joke about where the new stuff is gonna go.

He keeps saying he'll need it for the doom that's coming. That he needs it for protection.

But he has NO food water or supplies to survive, JUST WEAPONS and ammo.
There's nothing to protect.

He has no problems with this. Says there's no need to do food and water, he has the weapons.



SO, what's he gonna do-- use all these weapons and mow down the neighborhood so he can survive?

What do I do or say?

I have no problem with him owning weapons. I DO have a problem with him having hte assumption that he can use those weapons against my family (or any family) to steal or take what he needs when SHTF.

Yes, we are armed too-- not anywhere to the extent he is. But I have small children, and the thought of this just really, really bothers me.

 

[fairbanksb]

Maybe he intends to use the weapons as barter to trade for food and whatever. Has he ever threatened anybody?

 

[Rucus Sunday]

How many other people know what you know? If he has loose lips, I'd maintain a cordial relationship but tactfully de-couple any strong ties. The point being to not put in any one else's mind that I'm directly connected to this fellow--his good friend, his buddy, confidant, etc. Sounds like a future newspaper headline IMO.

 

[CarolynA]

Trust your instincts. You already have the feeling that something is not quite right with him or you would not have even thought to post it here. Keep your distance & try to stay off his radar.

 

[FREEBIRD]

In my experience when you have a weird feeling about someone, there's a reason. Pay attention.

Your brain may confuse you, your heart may lead you astray, but your gut never lies.

 

[prepgirl44]

Politely distance yourself, keep your eyes and ears open, and trust your gut.

 

[RCSAR]

Put his name and addy on some food prep websites and get him mailed food storage info.

 

[Brutus]

He's only one man.

It doesn't really matter if he owns 10,000 guns and 10,000 rounds of ammo for each one; he's only one man.

When you consider the fact that he apparently doesn't prep anything else but G&A, he's probably planning on becoming the neighborhood warlord after everything goes to sh*t. Probably watched The Book of Eli too many times and fancies himself something like the Gary Oldman character.

At least you know who to kill first when TSHTF.

 

[Dredge]

Like Brutus said he is only one man and more important he can only shoot one weapon at at a time so what does it matter if he has one gun or one hundred,if your scared just go buy a bigger gun ya wimp.

 

[Kent]

No matter how many guns he has, he can only use them one, or maybe two, at a time. He sounds like someone who collects guns. Invite him out shooting sometime and ask him what he would do if a food shortage came about.

 

[Scotto]

How do you know he doesn't have piles of food hidden someplace? And told his family (even though you are close) tell NOBODY about the food!

If you have just one good gun, you know how to shoot it deadly, you practice and have plenty of ammo, it makes you more dangerous than just some nut with dozens of guns.

Heck, I'd be good friends with a neighbor like that. Go shooting with him, you may be glad he's got your 6 someday.

 

[zeda1]

I live in the boonies about 15 miles from Daytona Beach, and about 3 miles down a dirt road. There are about 40 familes down here and enough strange people that you could write a book.easly about just the first 5. Everyone has got guns, some lots of guns and they drink alot. A goodly number of VietNam vets retired military, 1 ranger just discharged,and atleast 3 "outlaw" bikers.
Beleive it or not, its a warm and friendly place where everyone seems to try extra hard to get along.To get back to the thread, The Zombi killers and real tinfoil hats people all seem to think that any armed conflict we have out here we will win, kill the zombies and then go back to a normal life.They don't have a stash of food or soap or cooking oil, or sugar or yeast or anything. It's a lot like the movies. We'll all live Happily ever after.

 

[Hfcomms]

He has no problems with this. Says there's no need to do food and water, he has the weapons.

His attitude tells you all you need to know. He will use the force of his weapons to take supplies from others who have them. Your concern about him is well founded. At least hopefully your on his good side. And I also agree with tactfully sharing with him that if he is going to be prepared that it needs to be more than just hardware.

 

[Greybeard7]

"He has no problems with this. Says there's no need to do food and water, he has the weapons."

So, have you asked him if he intends to use his assets to barter? It's possible that he might not be able to rotate a sizable amount of stored food, and feels that the firearms and ammo will have a long, stable shelf life and he could trade for food and water. He might consider that his investment is protecting his assets from inflation, or that he might need to help his neighbors be armed if TSHTF.

"Talks about zombies and doomy stuff nonstop." Well, that pretty much meets the criteria of a lot of folks here and on other prep boards.

Heck, just ask him if he thinks he doesn't need to store food and water because he intends to take it or barter for it. Simple resolution to your concerns, and you might find either a threat or a VERY valuable resource right next door.

GB7

 

[Volleyball Granny]

One of my neighbors told me he didn't need to stock food because he had guns and could take what he needed. I asked him what made him think that people who had food didn't have guns, too...and walked away. My neighbors know that I garden...we've talked about what to do if there's an emergency. When Hurricane Ike hit, we worked together to clean up the neighborhood and shared generators. We didn't share food, though.

We were 12 days into the 14 days without electricity before I found out that my across the street neighbors didn't have any way to heat food. I'd already loaned out my camp stove (the one that was easy to reach). Next time, I'll head over there first with the camp stove. My friend who borrowed it before is young, healthy, and working. She can get her own stove.

 

[BoatGuy]

No matter how many weapons he has, he can only pull the trigger on two at a time.

Personally, I wouldn't alienate the guy. I'd want him to feel a little remorse and hesitate, if the time came that he felt the need to institute his survival plan. Those few extra seconds will give you the drop on him, if that needs to be done.

But, I would keep him in the dark, as to your own preps, if that is still possible. Sometimes it is best to simply know who you can trust, and who you can't, without acting on the info. Then, you can keep up to date on his own mindset and know when he gets to the tipping point.

 

[LoupGarou]

This might be better off in some SIG off of the main.... Just sayin...

At any rate...

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I keep telling myself he's harmless, but he's awkard. Talks about zombies and doomy stuff nonstop. He is very wealthy, and spends ALOT of money on weapons and ammo. His place is full, i mean FULLLLL of weapons and ammo. So much that every time he goes to a gun show, we joke about where the new stuff is gonna go.
...

Do I dare ask what FULLLLL equates to in numbers? (PM me if you want to keep it off the main). To me FULL is over 100 weapons, and more than 10K per weapon type/caliber as far as ammo. Full is over 50 weapons and more than 5K per weapon type/caliber as far as ammo.

He keeps saying he'll need it for the doom that's coming. That he needs it for protection.

But he has NO food water or supplies to survive, JUST WEAPONS and ammo.
There's nothing to protect.

He has no problems with this. Says there's no need to do food and water, he has the weapons.

SO, what's he gonna do-- use all these weapons and mow down the neighborhood so he can survive?

Probably. Think about the equation you see before you. A Doomer, that sees what the end result (or at least the next few steps) of what is happening now as far socioeconomic and governmental "progress". He sees his weapons as his protection. Now, he COULD be heading towards one of the three scenarios/actions:

• He may actually have the other preps, just well hidden. IF I were a heavy prepper (cough cough), having access to a weapon or two if you think you might be robbed is a LOT more handy than having a case of Ramen Noodles handy to throw at the burglar.
• He actually has food, supply, and equipment preps ELSEWHERE, and realizes that his current AO is next to worthless in the event of TSHTF, so he plans to grab the car, the family, and a few things, along with his arms, and head for this BOL.
• He sees, thanks to his doomer outlook, that things are going to get bad where he is, and is armed to the max to last as long as he can before he has to either bug out, or die trying.
• He could have friends headed to his house with the other parts of the prep array (food, supplies, and equipment). This is an awfully risky approach, but it has been done by a few people (but not often), since it does not show anybody in particular stockpiling ALL of what is needed at any one location.
• He could be planning on living off of what he can find NATURALLY in the area. I don't know where you are in the world (and I would not post it here), but there are PLENTY of edible plants and animals in most parts of CONUS. We have this plant here in the SouthEast, called Kudzu. It can grow as much as a foot per day, and ALL of it is edible by both man and animal.
• He also could plan to just go from house to house and take what he wants. If this is the case, then you need to be more weapon proficient than he is.

The question boils down to what do you think he can do, what do you think he would do, and what do you think he is proficient at? How much does he practice with his weapons? And even more important, how often to YOU practice with YOUR weapons?

(Pardon my yelling at moments, I'm just trying to emphasize the parts that can cause trouble, and that you might want to think long and hard about.)

Also keep in mind that a LOT of people have the idea that they will either BEG, BORROW or STEAL the food that they need after TSHTF. Anybody that thinks that everybody will be "quiet and peaceful" after the other shoe store drops is going to be SADLY mistaken. MOST of the welfare types will riot many times harder than they did during both WATTS and the LA Riots COMBINED. And add to that all of the drugged up junkies that will no longer be getting their "fix", as well as all of the "mentally unhinged" that will have their meds go out within 30-90 days....

Yes, there will be TROUBLE. This person could be prepping to stop this, or prepping to cause some of this. You just need to figure out which, and work that knowledge into your preps. Trying to disarm this person, either personally (STUPID IDEA), or through the authorities (probably not an ideal idea either) is NOT going to get rid of the problem, as there are probably HUNDREDS of people in your area that are setup the same way and thinking similar thoughts. UNDERSTAND THIS WELL, AND PREPARE FOR IT.

You can't, even with a family of three or four, monitor your property and your home EFFECTIVELY without both electronics and animal help. DON'T FOOL YOURSELF INTO THINKING YOU CAN. People sleep, and usually putting two people "on watch" will end up with BOTH of them sleeping at least part of the time until either they catch themselves, or somebody catches them. If it is the bad guys that catch them, they won't know it, and neither will you. I hate to be brutally honest, but "4 on the floor" with no help is not going to work, 6 people might, if all six are older than 25, but younger than 60.

Loup

 

[Palmetto]

There is a lot of wisdom in this thread.

Extrapolate your neighbor to 10's of millions of Americans.

Seriously. Inner cities. Suburbs. Rural areas.

If I have been told once, I have been told 100 times, "I have guns. I'll just get what I need if the SHTF."

He has given you all the warning you need.

I would add to what Loup said by saying that you also have the choice to bring him over to your "side" at best and at the very least, you need to
find out just what he thinks and plans to do.

If the Schummer hits the fan, you have more to worry about from guys like this (and they are legion) than you have from Blue Helmets.

He just doesn't realize that he IS the Zombie.

Palmetto

 

[USDA]

I wouldn't consider him a problem...he might be in the role of the armorer of the neighborhood and immensely helpful to the majority of sheeple who are still asleep, or waking but without weapons.

Who knows the future...but I wouldn't want to be a stooge and call in the LEO on him just because he collects guns...we have seen that before.

If your without courage...then rat out everyone whom you can think of...police informants usually end with the short end of the stick.

If your really worried, have a talk with him...and if he truly seems unstable...then move.

 

[joyfulheart]

A few things.

`-- he lives in a 600 sq foot apartment alone. No land, no storage unit. Divorced, no kids.

He owns over 200-300 guns (that he advertises)... no idea on ammo, but what I saw was ALOT.

He doesnt' cook. He comes to family house who feeds him. EVERY. MEAL.

Shared some catalogs with him on food storage-- said there would be no need. He has weapons. Told him not to come by m house, to keep going... he didn't say a word.

 

[LoupGarou]

You started this out with:

...I have a neighbor....

And then added:

A few things.

`-- he lives in a 600 sq foot apartment alone. No land, no storage unit. Divorced, no kids.

He owns over 200-300 guns (that he advertises)... no idea on ammo, but what I saw was ALOT.

He doesnt' cook. He comes to family house who feeds him. EVERY. MEAL.

Shared some catalogs with him on food storage-- said there would be no need. He has weapons. Told him not to come by m house, to keep going... he didn't say a word.

So, I am assuming that you either live in a neighboring apartment, or in a house near those apartments.

I am also assuming that the family that feeds him is HIS family, and they are NOT in the apartment complex.

Now, he said to you (I am assuming it was to you) that he had 200-300 weapons, and that you saw "ALOT". I am assuming that "ALOT" means more than 25 weapons all visible at one time. Was he cleaning them? Were they just out laying around? Or did he show off a few to you that were either hidden or semi-hidden? And did he know that you were coming by in advance (more than just a knock on the door and there you are)? The answer to those questions will tell you a lot about the person.

No matter what his REAL intentions or capability are, I would suggest ASSUMING that he very well could be planning on going door to door and "getting what he needs", AND that he actually has the capability, and the resourcefulness to pull it off. Then I would ASSUME that there are at least two or three dozen more people like that in that apartment complex, not to mention the several dozen in the area around the apartment complex.

Think of it being "better safe than sorry".

Loup

 

[Brutus]

A few things.

`-- he lives in a 600 sq foot apartment alone. No land, no storage unit. Divorced, no kids.

He owns over 200-300 guns (that he advertises)... no idea on ammo, but what I saw was ALOT.

He doesnt' cook. He comes to family house who feeds him. EVERY. MEAL.

Shared some catalogs with him on food storage-- said there would be no need. He has weapons. Told him not to come by m house, to keep going... he didn't say a word.

Like I said before:

At least you know who to kill first when TSHTF.

 

[L.A.B.]

Ah yes, the I've got magic guns crowd LOL!

A friend of mine thinks he's also bullet proof. I have asked him multiple times to pitch in with me on freeze dried food, bulk, whatever. All he wants to do is secure the hardware and the nails.

I despise the Im going to take what I want crowd. A patient 8 year old could drop any of these types before breakfast for goodness sakes!

 

[Satanta]

Well, if you really are worried about him then when the flag goes up put a bulet thru his ey and then *you* own all the guns.

 

[Bones]

Brutus and others nailed it.

When tshtf........he goes first.

 

[USDA]

Nothing like ignoring our civilization collapse...and focus on neighbors we do not really know.

If your spiritually orientated...then death is nothing but a brief change and into a more orderly spiritual world.

To make plans to kill another human being, is to set in motion karma that will take our own lives. Depend upon it.

This type of thinking..."turn in your neighbors to Big and Bigger Brother and you will be taken care of..."

Is to spread dissension and is just following the directives of Home Land Security. "Watch and report you neighbors...and we will take care of you."

I am sure they will!

 

[Rucus Sunday]

I have a neighbor. He means well, but is odd. Known him several years.

I am very close friends with his family, so we all know eachother. The guy is harmless, but he's starting to worry me.

I keep telling myself he's harmless, but he's awkard. Talks about zombies and doomy stuff nonstop. He is very wealthy, and spends ALOT of money on weapons and ammo. His place is full, i mean FULLLLL of weapons and ammo. So much that every time he goes to a gun show, we joke about where the new stuff is gonna go.

He keeps saying he'll need it for the doom that's coming. That he needs it for protection.

But he has NO food water or supplies to survive, JUST WEAPONS and ammo.
There's nothing to protect.

He has no problems with this. Says there's no need to do food and water, he has the weapons.

Just for the sake of general situational awareness conversation, what the above suggests to me is this guy will draw LEO attention by some dumb act before TS ever HTF. Sounds more like a psychological case of obsession than "I'll use these to take what I need." In other words, he's obsessed with collecting guns and ammo and won't stop until he or someone else says or sees something to tip off the cops. Then someone will post the newspaper article of the raid.

 

[duchess47]

My next door neighbor and a very dear friend died 1 1/2 years ago. You are pretty much describing him He was an ex-Marine (are they ever ex?) and planned on being the neighborhood defense when TSHTF. He didn't concentrate on food, he figured we'd take care of it. Sort of do what you do best. Lord I miss him, silver star Viet Nam vet.

Long way to say maybe you need to learn what your neighbor's thoughts are.

 

[Greybeard7]

A few things.

`-- he lives in a 600 sq foot apartment alone. No land, no storage unit. Divorced, no kids.

He owns over 200-300 guns (that he advertises)... no idea on ammo, but what I saw was ALOT.

He doesnt' cook. He comes to family house who feeds him. EVERY. MEAL.

Shared some catalogs with him on food storage-- said there would be no need. He has weapons. Told him not to come by m house, to keep going... he didn't say a word.

Yeah, and he doesn't know if you'll kill him to take his weapons and ammo. He lives in a 600 sq ft apartment. So, you expect him to use all that space for food and water. He can't grow a garden, he's single so he can't rotate enough food to make a difference.

"The guy is harmless, but he's starting to worry me."

Gee, when is the last time you told your neighbors about your food, water, guns and ammo? Did you tell them about the shit storm that is approaching? Have you tried to "enlighten" people about the "Doom" that you think is coming? Have you considered that if you did any of that, that they might be "worried" about you? Do you think they should call the police on you because they're worried about their children and they've got "crazy doomers" next door?

This "Doomer elitism" crap is starting to piss me off. Somebody else preps different than you, and you're all scared and paranoid. Well, you might just be paranoid and EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY is a threat. And your neighbors might just consider you a crazy wingnut if they knew what you had. And a judge might agree.

Take a chill pill, acknowledge that you are aware of his preps, he has violated simple OPSEC principles, and he will could be an ally and/or a resource.

It's obvious that you haven't talked to him about what his options are, or HELPED HIM think through any other options he might have being single with a 600 sq ft apartment.

What would you do? What can you do to help him expand his preps? He's obviously thought about it, maybe he just needs help considering more options.

Get a grip, and I hope you don't do the "I'm scared and I'm calling the cops" option. Remember, someone else can do the same thing to you, and that is why we ALL talk about OPSEC. Because someone else may think OUR preps are "over the edge".

GB7

 

[Greybeard7]

Do I dare ask what FULLLLL equates to in numbers? (PM me if you want to keep it off the main). To me FULL is over 100 weapons, and more than 10K per weapon type/caliber as far as ammo. Full is over 50 weapons and more than 5K per weapon type/caliber as far as ammo.
Loup

Loup:

With all due respect, your numbers are YOUR perceptions. Remember, to the majority of large city dwellers, what you have would probably make them think you're a terrorist or a nutjob.

Gee, is 20K rounds of .22LR excessive to you?

This thread, to me, is really boiling down to "What I have is reasonable, and what you have is excessive".

If you all REALLY want to be worried, worry about the gangs that have sent members into the armed forces to learn small unit tactics. They have the manpower, firepower, and willpower to end your world in a heartbeat. And, they WILL if TSHTF.

That neighbor with more ammo and guns than you think is reasonable may be what saves your neighborhood. (And your own ass.)

GB7

 

[etc]

Your neighbor is smarter than you think. If he is actively broadcasting that he doesn't have any supplies, he does it intentionally as an act of disinformation, for fear that you might run out and come knocking on his door. Chances are he has a lot and well hidden, possibly away from the premises.

 

[LoupGarou]

Loup:

With all due respect, your numbers are YOUR perceptions. Remember, to the majority of large city dwellers, what you have would probably make them think you're a terrorist or a nutjob.

Gee, is 20K rounds of .22LR excessive to you?
...
GB7

Not at all. 20K is just getting started for most rounds. That is why I used "FULL" and not "excessive". For a single person in a small apartment, 10K is full. Unless he has more than that 10K all in magazines (clips), it is going to be a challenge for him to fire off all of that when needed, while reloading the magazines (clips) with the other hand, all while not going to sleep and letting his guard down (he lives alone, and apartments are not really what I would ever consider "secure").

Now, if he shares with the rest of the class and plays the Lord of War for the rest of the block of apartments, then that 10K might get somewhere with 100+ guns, since now you are multiplying your trigger fingers. The problem is that that "somewhere" that you will be getting to as a mismanaged group is probably not where HE, or the other occupants of the apartment complex (joyfulheart) want to be headed towards even in the best of times.

People tend to think of situations like Mad Max and Rambo as far as role models for TEOTWAWKI. Neither are the guaranteed way it is going to unfold.
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I was merely trying to find out what joyfulheart's levels of "weapon comfort" were. Some people freak out with just one gun in sight. Others have no problem with thousands.
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And 20K is only 16 one liter, wide mouth (for easy pouring) bottles of 22LRs. That ain't much in the long run...

Loup

 

[LoupGarou]

...
If you all REALLY want to be worried, worry about the gangs that have sent members into the armed forces to learn small unit tactics. They have the manpower, firepower, and willpower to end your world in a heartbeat. And, they WILL if TSHTF.

That neighbor with more ammo and guns than you think is reasonable may be what saves your neighborhood. (And your own ass.)

GB7

Agreed on the bolded part, and on the second part IF the person has the training to make it work right. I have seen a LOT of people "stock up for Armageddon" and never take the first lesson on how to use the weapons right. The outcome of that ranges from funny, to outright scary.

Your neighbor is smarter than you think. If he is actively broadcasting that he doesn't have any supplies, he does it intentionally as an act of disinformation, for fear that you might run out and come knocking on his door. Chances are he has a lot and well hidden, possibly away from the premises.

Agreed, +100000!

Loup

 

[Grantbo]

Well, if you really are worried about him then when the flag goes up put a bulet thru his ey and then *you* own all the guns.

'A bullet through the eye solves most arguments.' A Traderism.

 

[Greybeard7]

Not at all. 20K is just getting started for most rounds. That is why I used "FULL" and not "excessive". For a single person in a small apartment, 10K is full. Unless he has more than that 10K all in magazines (clips), it is going to be a challenge for him to fire off all of that when needed, while reloading the magazines (clips) with the other hand, all while not going to sleep and letting his guard down (he lives alone, and apartments are not really what I would ever consider "secure").

Now, if he shares with the rest of the class and plays the Lord of War for the rest of the block of apartments, then that 10K might get somewhere with 100+ guns, since now you are multiplying your trigger fingers. The problem is that that "somewhere" that you will be getting to as a mismanaged group is probably not where HE, or the other occupants of the apartment complex (joyfulheart) want to be headed towards even in the best of times.

People tend to think of situations like Mad Max and Rambo as far as role models for TEOTWAWKI. Neither are the guaranteed way it is going to unfold.
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I was merely trying to find out what joyfulheart's levels of "weapon comfort" were. Some people freak out with just one gun in sight. Others have no problem with thousands.
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And 20K is only 16 one liter, wide mouth (for easy pouring) bottles of 22LRs. That ain't much in the long run...

Loup

Good points. BUT, Mad Max is not the only scenario that many consider. The neighbor might well be understanding what the ammo shortage of the last two years could portent. (And have concerns about ammo prices/availability in the future.)

Ammo taxes, UN treaties (Constitutional or not) and hidden clauses in the Health Care Bill. If the general public fears that ammo might be hard to get in the future, it could become impossible to get in the NEAR future. And, after that, who knows?

We could be talking about a prudent individual that is investing in assets that will be difficult. expensive or impossible to obtain in the next five years.

One mans foresight is another mans folly.

GB7

 

[USDA]

My family doesn't say sh*t to anyone about anything. Why discuss things with other people we marginally know? If they aren't smart enough to get the drift...then why bother?

Besides, there is a good chance that things will just drift downwards without big explosive events, other than the Gulf Oil Spill.

The best advice I could think of would be prep in quietness...be willing to help neighbors when the time comes, and they may never be a deep dividing line that tells us the TSHTF.

I personally believe the down grade will be gradual and no one thing will spell revolution, it may never come...like MarK Twain's 'boiling frog,' I think it was his allusion, but maybe not.

We need to believe in our neighbors and disbelieve those in Washington and places of power.

Prayer is powerful, but it largely depends upon who is praying...Those who have cultivated a spiritual life for a longer while stand a better chance of having those prayers answered. It is never too late to begin...and we might be surprised in the response.

I guess, I am suggesting, we trust ourselves and our neighbors and work for the best outcome. Neighborhood wars are least desirable of any option. That is the tactic of 'divide and conquer' used by those who really are our foes.

 

[Dredge]

Just for the sake of general situational awareness conversation, what the above suggests to me is this guy will draw LEO attention by some dumb act before TS ever HTF. Sounds more like a psychological case of obsession than "I'll use these to take what I need." In other words, he's obsessed with collecting guns and ammo and won't stop until he or someone else says or sees something to tip off the cops. Then someone will post the newspaper article of the raid.

And why would the cops raid him when all he is doing is perfectly legal. People who are afraid of guns scare me as they think they have to call the cops on gun owners so they will feel safe.Both you and miss joyful heart have an irrational fear of guns. I like how you justify it with a clinical diagnosis of "psychological obsession " like your a quack psychologist. For all you know the guy just might think guns are the best investment you can make. in any case after one gun the number just does not matter as all you can shoot is one at a time.

 

[Rucus Sunday]

Good points. BUT, Mad Max is not the only scenario that many consider. The neighbor might well be understanding what the ammo shortage of the last two years could portent. (And have concerns about ammo prices/availability in the future.)

Ammo taxes, UN treaties (Constitutional or not) and hidden clauses in the Health Care Bill. If the general public fears that ammo might be hard to get in the future, it could become impossible to get in the NEAR future. And, after that, who knows?

We could be talking about a prudent individual that is investing in assets that will be difficult. expensive or impossible to obtain in the next five years.

One mans foresight is another mans folly.

GB7

GreyBeard7, did you bother to read the OP? According the OP, we are not talking about someone who is a "prudent individual" concerned about UN taxes and ammo treaties. That is the point of the OP. We are talking about someone who "means well, but is odd." Someone who is "harmless" but is "starting to worry" the OP'er. The OP makes it clear we are probably not talking about a "prudent individual." So why assume otherwise? Bugs me when posters assume the OP doesn't know what he/she is talking about.

 

[Rucus Sunday]

And why would the cops raid him when all he is doing is perfectly legal. People who are afraid of guns scare me as they think they have to call the cops on gun owners so they will feel safe.Both you and miss joyful heart have an irrational fear of guns. I like how you justify it with a clinical diagnosis of "psychological obsession " like your a quack psychologist. For all you know the guy just might think guns are the best investment you can make. in any case after one gun the number just does not matter as all you can shoot is one at a time.

You're right, Dredge, I have an irrational fear of guns. I got rid of all them many years ago. Actually they were stolen. Don't own any. Don't believe in them. But you obviously do. Let's talk about them, OK? No need to fear talking about it, because it's perfectly legal, right? So, how many do you own?

 

[USDA]

Been on this forum for a long time...and most posters do not know what they are talking about. The War and invasion of Iraq was mostly supported, much less more recent wars of Afghanistan, Second thoughts are the most popular posted.