INSANITY Wind farms - Ponder this

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Did they have to work in the nude after that or in skin tight spandex? :jstr:
In their underwear with one-zipper coveralls - WITH NO POCKETS.

Owner brought home several pair for use when "mucking out."

They are "safety green" - which is closer to bile yellow.

Dobbin
 

Sandcastle76

Senior Member
This is going to be a long post regarding solar panel “farms”. We live outside of a small town and the county/parish govt. were “convinced” that a solar farm on good arable land was a great benefit to the residents … especially with all the credits and upfront money they were paying “if” it was adopted. They met and approved the solar farm in 10 minutes while no one was allowed to speak against it.
The solar farm was being put up a few miles from town and the local power provider was in cahoots with the plan. They also got tons of credits and upfront monies. It would tie into their feeder lines, ya see !!!

Where they were putting it in, was out of town and in an area with few house ..just think houses along the main road frontage…no type of subdivision. However, there was one road with a culdesac (sp?) that would run between their new power transmission station and the panels would encircle this one road. There were supposed to be over 3 thousand huge solar panels in this area that the railroad tracks bracketed one one side and the river levee on the other side. Sounds peachy, yeah, no.

Guess who lives on that one road? Yep, you guessed it, we do. One day we woke up to huge tractors, pile drivers incessant back-up beepers on the equipment, installing the substation for the transmission line and road machinery putting in a gravel road to allow graders, tractors, etc. surrounding our beautiful, quiet, little street.

Now the people that sold them the land made out like bandits (2 people) but there was a fly in their ointment. The house that faced the main road, which the transmission substation was beside/behind was a Mac-daddy home … it really is drop dead gorgeous, btw… took exception. The owner was at the meeting where the parish council went into executive session to pass the building of this solar farm. He is an investment type broker and had the skinny on the amounts of money being doled out. He went up n down the main road and our little road too, getting signatures for a class action lawsuit. Every single person except one signed it, us included.

Picture in your head a transmission sub station approximately 20-30 yards from your back yard…and huge solar panels approximately 50 yards from the other homes on our quite little street. These panels move with the sun and the back of our house faces west while the other side of the street (duh) faces east. They reflect a ton of light when sun is shining on them…blinding reflection.

To wrap up the saga…the transmission line sub-substation was not to code, it’s too close to the houses, so the company “made concessions“ by agreeing to put larger than normal trees (cedar) along the fence line for the houses facing east and the sub-station was granted a variance..too expensive to move. On our side (west facing) it was found that they had no permit at all to put the solar panels behind our house…we sat on the back lanai and toasted all the workers as they removed hundreds of huge square tubing supports for the panels and the gravel road bed…the owner of the land got to keep their money and the solar farm folks have to keep it mowed. The guy will probably get an agreement to cut hay on it as he did previously when his cows weren’t grazing. These people truly had a “set”.. they knew they had no permit yet put all that stuff in.

We got lucky that they hadn’t installed the batteries which from what we were told would be buried along each row of panels…we also learned that the “radiation” (?) from the batteries renders the land un-usable for crops or animals for many, many years. I don’t totally understand about the “radiation” but it is tied to the batteries somehow. Don’t really care one way or the other at this point.

One of the homeowners on the east facing side told the supervisor/worker to either change the track on the two panels that faced the back of his house or else he would render them useless… the reflection was so bright in his house it was blinding. They didn’t like it and drug their feet till he took them to his house and showed them how it was affecting them. He also made sure to have his shot gun out with a box or two of buck shot right beside it. They disconnected/re-programmed those panels from the rotation motor.

Lesson of this story is…our little area got screwed over, two people selling the land got paid while the electricity company and the parish govt. got richer than anyone, and proved themselves to be corrupt to boot. Every household is represented at every council meeting now because we fear they will sneak in the permitting for our side of the street.

Other proposed solar farms are having tons of push back in our area. Don’t know if I said up thread but this is prime hay/grazing and crop land acres they are taking out of production.

Rat-bastiches all !!!
 
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West

Senior
This is going to be a long post regarding solar panel “farms”. We live outside of a small town and the county/parish govt. were “convinced” that a solar farm on good arable land was a great benefit to the residents … especially with all the credits and upfront money they were paying “if” it was adopted. They met and approved the solar farm in 10 minutes while no one was allowed to speak against it.
The solar farm was being put up a few miles from town and the local power provider was in cahoots with the plan. They also got tons of credits and upfront monies. It would tie into their feeder lines, ya see !!!

Where they were putting it in, was out of town and in an area with few house ..just think houses along the main road frontage…no type of subdivision. However, there was one road with a culdesac (sp?) that would run between their new power transmission station and the panels would encircle this one road. There were supposed to be over 3 thousand huge solar panels in this area that the railroad tracks bracketed one one side and the river levee on the other side. Sounds peachy, yeah, no.

Guess who lives on that one road? Yep, you guessed it, we do. One day we woke up to huge tractors, pile drivers incessant back-up beepers on the equipment, installing the substation for the transmission line and road machinery putting in a gravel road to allow graders, tractors, etc. surrounding our beautiful, quiet, little street.

Now the people that sold them the land made out like bandits (2 people) but there was a fly in their ointment. The house that faced the main road, which the transmission substation was beside/behind was a Mac-daddy home … it really is drop dead gorgeous, btw… took exception. The owner was at the meeting where the parish council went into executive session to pass the building of this solar farm. He is an investment type broker and had the skinny on the amounts of money being doled out. He went up n down the main road and our little road too, getting signatures for a class action lawsuit. Every single person except one signed it, us included.

Picture in your head a transmission sub station approximately 20-30 yards from your back yard…and huge solar panels approximately 50 yards from the other homes on our quite little street. These panels move with the sun and the back of our house faces west while the other side of the street (duh) faces east. They reflect a ton of light when sun is shining on them…blinding reflection.

To wrap up the saga…the transmission line sub-substation was not to code, it’s too close to the houses, so the company “made concessions“ by agreeing to put larger than normal trees (cedar) along the fence line for the houses facing east and the sub-station was granted a variance..too expensive to move. On our side (west facing) it was found that they had no permit at all to put the solar panels behind our house…we sat on the back lanai and toasted all the workers as they removed hundreds of huge square tubing supports for the panels and the gravel road bed…the owner of the land got to keep their money and the solar farm folks have to keep it mowed. The guy will probably get an agreement to cut hay on it as he did previously when his cows weren’t grazing. These people truly had a “set”.. they knew they had no permit yet put all that stuff in.

We got lucky that they hadn’t installed the batteries which from what we were told would be buried along each row of panels…we also learned that the “radiation” (?) from the batteries renders the land un-usable for crops or animals for many, many years. I don’t totally understand about the “radiation” but it is tied to the batteries somehow. Don’t really care one way or the other at this point.

One of the homeowners on the east facing side told the supervisor/worker to either change the track on the two panels that faced the back of his house or else he would render them useless… the reflection was so bright in his house it was blinding. They didn’t like it and drug their feet till he took them to his house and showed them how it was affecting them. He also made sure to have his shot gun out with a box or two of buck shot right beside it. They disconnected/re-programmed those panels from the rotation motor.

Lesson of this story is…our little area got screwed over, two people selling the land got paid while the electricity company and the parish govt. got richer than anyone, and proved themselves to be corrupt to boot. Every household is represented at every council meeting now because we fear they will sneak in the permitting for our side of the street.

Other proposed solar farms are having tons of push back in our area. Don’t know if I said up thread but this is prime hay/grazing and crop land acres they are taking out of production.

Rat-bastiches all !!!
Not to mention the harm being done to the earth. The ground under the solar panels are keeping the sun's energy and goodness from hitting and permeating the ground.

Not how God designed it. I'm sure nothing good will become of this solar farm idea.

Infact I muse at this time we are tempting bad things to happen by doing bad things like solar and wind energy that harm wildlife and rob the earth of the sun's energies!
 
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Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
They're getting started on a new wind field along the interstate. They have brought in gravel for their concrete production. They will have a lay down area under a quarter mile square. Offices and concrete plant as well as lay down area for various tools and components. Right now the gravel pile is roughly forty feet high and pushing fifty yards long, and growing. The carbon impact of mining and hauling that much gravel is crazy high......as are all the costs.

Millwright is correct, it's a money laundering scheme.....or one can say, lots of folks on the environmental band wagon bank bigly....and politicians collect, at all levels. The science verifies the insanity of all categories subsidized by you and me......Funny thing, it does not take a rocket scientist to come to this conclusion, the correct science, they make no sense. Unless the goal is to waste our money, and enrich themselves.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Rat-bastiches all !!!
Your experience is probably not that unusual. Except you probably faired better than most.

Those panel "combiners" and "inverters" catch on fire occasionally too. Depending on local conditions one of these days a big fire is going to make the news.

People need to remember that even with all this "possible generation" the grid needs "reliable capacity" for times of no wind and no sun.

The demand charge at our church is almost as much as our power bill. IOW, we're paying the power company to "have capacity" to meet our largest demand on the coldest day or the hottest day.

Reliability is expensive. Reliability is gonna be fleeting too... jmo
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Steady reliable electric power is the big axe hanging over all Americans and our way of life.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I knew about the gearing up. I was just wondering if the armatures that they use have the same issue as the big ones here in NPPs, where if they sit still for more than a few hours, gravity starts to bend the shaft and ruin the armature. They do have "choc blocks" that they can put in for when they know they are going to have long downtime periods, but they have to manually put in those blocks.

I could just picture a wind field getting no wind for a few days during some odd weather event, sitting still there for that time, and having all of those armatures still and bending under the gravity caused stress. Once the duldrum was over, the wind picked back up, the armatures started spinning at 1200-1800RPM, and the whole nacelle started vibrating HARD at 20-30Hz, jackhammering all of the hardware from there to the ground.
Aren’t there YouTube videos out there of just such a thing happening?
 
Owner has said that when the steam turbine-generators are stationary for maintenance (they are opened up and inspected at least annually) that once re-assembled, the "heart in one's mouth moment" is not the first time steam is put to the turbine, but rather the first rotation going on "turning gear" (pony motor)

While stationary, the turbine spindle "sags" between supports.

If the shaft can go through one complete revolution, it will probably keep going.

Once going, the shaft is run on turning gear for about a week before they put steam to the machine. There are "eccentricity" instruments which tell if the rotor is out of straightness before steam is put on. The usual experience is that "straightness" gets "better and better" as the shaft is turned. Owner says "gravity is a force."

And putting steam to the turbine "changes" the eccentricity - Owner says the top of the turbine casing heats first and that changes everything.

Owner says he has seen one turbine that didn't rotate on the first turn - somebody left a tool inside the machine. The tools are normally numbered, and controlled with a sign-out system - but something unaccounted for dropped out of someone's pocket. I think Owner said it was a flexible pocket ruler - the clearances are that tight.

It added about a week to that outage - think $. About a million dollars a day lost revenue.

Dobbin
Job opening up?
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They want to rapidly install these solar and wind farms to transition the US power grid. When we are reliant on them, will they provide enough power for war time production?
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They want to rapidly install these solar and wind farms to transition the US power grid. When we are reliant on them, will they provide enough power for war time production?
I don't think there will ever be real "war time production" in the USA.
 
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