WoT WHY THE USA WAS DEFEATED IN AFGHANISTAN 12-10-2015

[Doomer Doug]

The final result of the flawed, neocon, warmonger policy the USA followed in Afghanistan from late 2001 to the end of 2015 is now clear.

First, just like Vietnam, we put in place a corrupt, incompetent political leadership that has failed to effect honest administration. This group of corrupt warlords, politicians and others have allowed the Taliban to take physical control of large chunks of the country.

Second, we have made no effort to control opium production from poppies. Whatever we think of the Taliban, at least they shut down heroin production for the several years they were in power.

Third, we have allowed China, and even Russia, to gain increased prominence in both the political and military spheres. For instance, China has a four billion dollar copper mine in full operation. Russia is reported to be in talks for an oil pipeline to the Indian Ocean through Afghanistan.

Fourth, the result of all that is we have "left in place," a corrupt, incompetent political and military leadership. We ran away, with our tails between our legs. This was after we spent several Trillion dollars, and lost hundreds of KIA. All of this was for nothing.

The "government" we left in place now has no power or authority outside the city limits of Kabul. In fact, as the following story shows, they no longer even control Kabul.

This airport attack, in the capital city, and lasting 24 hours, killing 50 people is the final straw in my book. I fully expect a final Taliban Spring offensive, just like the March 1975 North Vietnamese one, to capture Kabul, massacre any leaders they can find. Of course, one thing we can be sure of is the current American supported elite will be granted refugee status, and end up living in comfort at Palm Springs.

I will also point out this attack would be similar to a mass terror attack on Reagan International Airport in Washington, DC, that killed 50 people and lasted 24 hours. Yep, the attack's target, scale, effectiveness and length indicate the American supported government in Afghanistan is on its final legs. The USA has now suffered a military defeat in both Iraq and Afghanistan. The American policy has achieved nothing. The American policy has cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives. It is sound and fury signifying NOTHING.



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...aliban-attack-on-afghan-airport-a3134096.html

Fifty people have been killed by the Taliban in an attack on an Afghan airport that lasted more than 24 hours.

Dozens of civilians including children were among the dead after 11 Taliban fighters mounted a fierce assault on Kandahar airport on Tuesday, which is home to a large Nato base.

The airport was under siege for over a day before fighting came to an end late on Wednesday, with the last Taliban attacker reportedly killed by Afghan forces at about 8pm.

The Afghan defence ministry said that the dead included 38 civilians, 10 Afghan soldiers and two police.
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Afghan forces have struggled to roll back Taliban advances since the US and Nato formally concluded their combat mission at the end of last year.

The sprawling airport, known as Kandahar Air Field, has a military and a civilian section, as well as the Nato complex.

There were no coalition casualties.

Additional reporting by the Press Association.

 

[JohnGaltfla]

The reason is easy:

Politically
Correct
Pussy
Generals

 

[jenzie]

BASE PLAY

basically NOT being a guerrilla force and NOT going town-2-town and getting rid of the enemy!

and all the indigenous people need to do is hit and run ..... except they don't run .....

 

[Doomer Doug]

The American people won't realize the magnitude of the military disaster in Afghanistan, John until they see the final US Marines hanging from the helicopter skids taking off from the US Embassy.

We didn't learn a damn thing from Vietnam. We could have executed a policy in Afghanistan that would have respected and empowered the non Taliban local leaders, created a power structure capable of checking the Taliban abuses. It wasn't the pussy generals, John: IT WAS THE RINO NEO CON WARMONGERS FOLLOWED BY THE MARXIST PC FOOLS LIKE OBAMA. The combination of the two has destroyed Afghanistan.

 

[Housecarl]

Doug,

A key point you didn't mention was allowing a safe haven to exist in Pakistan with the assistance of factions of the Pakistani government/military while at the very same time sending aid to those very parties.

Col. Hackworth would also have been advocating "out guerrilla the guerrilla", something in manpower, resources and time up front would make people bock.

Those who deny the term "long war" are themselves in denial.

 

[Doomer Doug]

Housecarl, any insurgent movement requires three basic things.

The first is a safe zone to resupply and regroup. This is where Pakistan came into the picture.

The second is the support of at least one third of the total population.

The third is a secure source of combat supplies, usually from a foreign power. Militant Islam fully supported the Taliban with cash and logistics support.

In this context, the PC based liberal types didn't have the stones to do what was needed to stomp Pakistan into the dust. The neo con fascist types also didn't have the cajones to admit their policy was flawed and allowed massive corruption and incompetence to flourish.

Yep, Afghanistan will go down as a decisive US military and political defeat.

 

[Cascadians]

Curse of Khyber Pass. Has never failed.

 

[Cascadians]

The Curse of Khyber Pass used to be common knowledge. Cannot even find it on Google now. A whole book was written about it: The Far Pavilions.

It is where the 1st biblical murder was, Kain vs Able. Kabul. Forever haunted and cursed. And the Curse of Khyber Pass is that whoever tries to take and hold the pass is doomed to fail and collapse. Many empires throughout history have invaded and conquered and taken Khyber Pass, only to unravel. The curse has never failed. The history is gruesome.

 

[hiwall]

We will Never win a war again unless we KILL people!
If our troops and bombers have both hands tied behind their backs then we will lose every time.

 

[China Connection]

http://www.amazon.com/The-Far-Pavilions-M-Kaye/dp/031215125X

This sweeping epic set in 19th-century India begins in the foothills of the towering Himalayas and follows a young Indian-born orphan as he's raised in England and later returns to India where he falls in love with an Indian princess and struggles with cultural divides.

The Far Pavilions is itself a Himalayan achievement, a book we hate to see come to an end. It is a passionate, triumphant story that excites us, fills us with joy, move us to tears, satisfies us deeply, and helps us remember just what it is we want most from a novel.

M.M. Kaye's masterwork is a vast, rich and vibrant tapestry of love and war that ranks with the greatest panoramic sagas of modern fiction, moving the famed literary critic Edmond Fuller to write: "Were Miss Kaye to produce no other book, The Far Pavilions might stand as a lasting accomplishment in a single work comparable to Margaret Mitchell's achievement in Gone With the Wind."

 

[China Connection]

Khyber Pass

 

[China Connection]

Curse of the Khyber Pass
By Milton Bearden

As the United States settles into its
. eighth year of military operations in
. Afghanistan, and as plans for ramping
up U.S. troop strength are under way, we
might reflect on an observation made by the
Chinese military sage, Sun Tzu, about twentyfive
hundred years ago:
In military campaigns I have heard of awkward
speed but have never seen any skill in lengthy
campaigns. No country has ever profited from
protracted warfare.
These words tell the tale of the string of superpowers
that have found themselves drawn
into a fight in the inhospitable terrain we
now call Afghanistan. Their stories of easy
conquest followed by unyielding rebellion are
hauntingly similar, from the earliest accounts
of Alexander’s Afghan campaign, when, in
329 bc, the great warrior found the struggle
longer, more brutal and more costly than his
battle in Persia. And through six centuries the
Mughals never managed to bring the Afghans
to heel, and most certainly not the Pashtuns.
Of course, there were also the disastrous expeditions
of Britain and the Soviet Union. Now
it is up to the Obama administration to try
to change the long odds in what will become
America’s longest war.
Perhaps the failure of empires in Afghanistan
is merely destiny. Each has largely made
the same mistakes as its forebears, above all
underestimating the Afghans. The premier
historian on Afghanistan, the late Louis Dupree,
explained how the occupation of Afghan
territory by foreign troops, the placing of an
unpopular emir on the throne, the harsh acts
of occupier-supported segments of the Afghan
population against their Afghan enemies and
the reduction of the subsidies paid to the
tribal chiefs all led to imperial demise.
The United States may not yet have reached
that point where it is just another occupation
force facing a generalized resistance, but it is
getting close. It is, indeed, much as the Mughals
who came before, facing a Pashtun insurgency
in the east and south of Afghanistan,
where invaders historically fail. In Hamid
Karzai they have placed an unpopular leader
at the helm. The ineffective U.S. aid programs
have done little to subsidize potential allies.
And so America finds itself pursuing the failed
plan of so many ambitious states of the past.
Afghanistan, though never conquered, has
rarely found itself without a potential occupier
to hold at bay. And all of those empires
have fallen victim to Dupree’s four banes. Alexander
may have been the first to almost lose
his kingdom to the Afghan battlefield, but
many followed. This may be the starkest case
of Obama’s need to learn from history.
After centuries of unrelenting but ultimately
failed attempts at conquest, early in the nineteenth
century, as imperial Russia expanded
Milton Bearden is a retired cia officer who managed
the cia’s covert assistance to the Afghans from Pakistan
during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. He also
served in Hong Kong, Switzerland, Nigeria, Sudan
and Germany.


Finish reading here: http://www.asiaafricaprojectsgroup.com/knowledgebase/curse-of-the-khyber.pdf

 

[duffer]

Afghanistan is referred to as "the graveyard of empires."