Why Didn't Barack Obama visit the troops - The Real Reason?
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Fleataxi
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Kozanne: What a Chump! 
kadee: He's just "Clinton Light" - Another Liberal without a clue of how the Military works, and frankly doesn't care, since if he had his way, they'd be all in the Peace Corps, and all our weapons would be in museums, and Cops would yell to Criminals "Stop, or I"ll yell Stop again!"
Fleataxi
kadee: He's just "Clinton Light" - Another Liberal without a clue of how the Military works, and frankly doesn't care, since if he had his way, they'd be all in the Peace Corps, and all our weapons would be in museums, and Cops would yell to Criminals "Stop, or I"ll yell Stop again!"
Fleataxi
kozanne
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Kozanne: What a Chump!
kadee: He's just "Clinton Light" - Another Liberal without a clue of how the Military works, and frankly doesn't care, since if he had his way, they'd be all in the Peace Corps, and all our weapons would be in museums, and Cops would yell to Criminals "Stop, or I"ll yell Stop again!"
Fleataxi
He sure is.
Amazing how many will ignore the facts when they are not what they want to hear. The posts following this one just act like it doesn't exist because it deispells what they want to think. Too bad. If most on here are voting for Ron paul how come so many anti-Obama posts and none on John McCain? Maybe because they are both Republicans?
Worrier King
Deceased
"One military official who was working on the Obama visit said because political candidates are prohibited from using military installations as campaign backdrops,"
What a Red Herring. Obama is their next CIC, so what does that then say about our military then when they take orders from a socialist globalist like Obama, which is exactly what most of them will rotely do?
Despite indoctrinated, partisan, patriotic illusions and a socially entrenched systematic, collectivist entitlement mentality by many of the U.S.'s military - not all - the bottom line is the troops are "not there to reason why, but to do and die" at the behest of the dem/repub party... who's policies and orders are usually in direct opposition to the best interest of the Constitution and sovereign U.S. citizens.
Historically, the military had never been nothing more than a pawn to use by the rich and powerful. Despite what many here have been conditioned to think.
What a Red Herring. Obama is their next CIC, so what does that then say about our military then when they take orders from a socialist globalist like Obama, which is exactly what most of them will rotely do?
Despite indoctrinated, partisan, patriotic illusions and a socially entrenched systematic, collectivist entitlement mentality by many of the U.S.'s military - not all - the bottom line is the troops are "not there to reason why, but to do and die" at the behest of the dem/repub party... who's policies and orders are usually in direct opposition to the best interest of the Constitution and sovereign U.S. citizens.
Historically, the military had never been nothing more than a pawn to use by the rich and powerful. Despite what many here have been conditioned to think.
kozanne
Inactive
And it's an all volunteer military, something that seems to be forgotten quickly. Nobody was herded into a cattle car and forced to go to the sandbox. All that went signed up for it. There is no draft, remember?
Oilpatch Hand
3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Uh....Frooooteee....
This Snopes article doesn't appear to deal with Obama blowing off the wounded soldiers at Landstuhl and Ramstein, which is the subject of the thread.
We already know Obama met with a few troops at an Afghan base, primarily because he was allowed to use them as photo props. And he apparently had a couple of them thinking he actually cared about them and the job they were doing.
The commanders at Ramstein and Landstuhl, however, were not interested in permitting their facilities to be used in such a crass manner, and they let Obama's campaign know about that prohibition. Sure enough, as soon as the Obama campaign knew their cameras would be prohibited, thereby defeating the very purpose of his visit, The Messiah massively blew the wounded servicemen off, and boarded the next transport bound for the States. He chucked them into the dustbin in the manner of used Kleenex. He compounded his blunder by rather stupidly thinking that nobody would notice the disgracefully duplicitous manner by which he had attempted to use these valiant servicemen.
In short...if he couldn't use the wounded soldiers at Landstuhl and Ramstein as campaign window dressing, Obama had no use for them. No photo ops? Obama was outta there!
Say...didn't you mention that Obama was YOUR candidate? Hmmmmmm.
Looks like you'll need to be reconsidering that mental error.
Hate to admit it but ......I think Jesse Jackson had the right idea.......Obama.....All fart......no bubbles.......windsail........
Wardogs
Deceased
Ummm... the Snopes article is about a completely different subject, the Emails.
The OP is about the cancellation of his visit to the wounded troops in Germany...
Jeesh...
wardogs
Seeker
3 Bombs for Hawkins
There is no do-over or second chance for this one, nor is there any satisfactory explanation such as "inexperienced staffers". If he is so at the mercy of his staffers, how can he lead our military? Our economy? Our country? His every minute is scheduled - he either had time for the troops or the gym and he decided which one it was going to be.
Jumpy Frog
Browncoat sympathizer
Most are not sick. Most are wounded soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors. These are servicemen that are too wounded to be treated in theater, so they are flown to US medical facilities in Europe.
Uh....Frooooteee....
This Snopes article doesn't appear to deal with Obama blowing off the wounded soldiers at Landstuhl and Ramstein, which is the subject of the thread.
We already know Obama met with a few troops at an Afghan base, primarily because he was allowed to use them as photo props. And he apparently had a couple of them thinking he actually cared about them and the job they were doing.
The commanders at Ramstein and Landstuhl, however, were not interested in permitting their facilities to be used in such a crass manner, and they let Obama's campaign know about that prohibition. Sure enough, as soon as the Obama campaign knew their cameras would be prohibited, thereby defeating the very purpose of his visit, The Messiah massively blew the wounded servicemen off, and boarded the next transport bound for the States. He chucked them into the dustbin in the manner of used Kleenex. He compounded his blunder by rather stupidly thinking that nobody would notice the disgracefully duplicitous manner by which he had attempted to use these valiant servicemen.
In short...if he couldn't use the wounded soldiers at Landstuhl and Ramstein as campaign window dressing, Obama had no use for them. No photo ops? Obama was outta there!
Say...didn't you mention that Obama was YOUR candidate? Hmmmmmm.
Looks like you'll need to be reconsidering that mental error.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LifsuCdTnXo
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homepark
Resist
I can be pretty dense. Please connect the dots on this one for me?
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Statement of Col. Katherine Scheirman (Ret.), the retired Chief of Medical Operations for United States Air Force in Europe Headquarters at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany:
"John McCain's new ad is dishonest and shameful, and I say that as the former Chief of Medical Operations. Senators Hagel and Reed confirmed to Bob Schieffer yesterday that Senator Obama visited the Combat Support Hospital in Baghdad as a part of their CODEL, with no media present.
"In Germany, Senator Obama made the right decision to respect wounded troops, and the doctors and nurses doing crucial and time-sensitive work, by not making a visit that was characterized as a campaign event by the Pentagon. Senator Obama should be thanked for putting our military above politics. And, I would hope that John McCain would think in those same terms, the next time he is put in a similar situation.
"Senator Obama has voted for the troops when John McCain has not, most recently on the new GI Bill. I am happy that Senator Obama puts the welfare of our troops above politics."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat..._Ramstein_medical_chief_denounces_McCain.html
Statement of Col. Katherine Scheirman (Ret.), the retired Chief of Medical Operations for United States Air Force in Europe Headquarters at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany:
"John McCain's new ad is dishonest and shameful, and I say that as the former Chief of Medical Operations. Senators Hagel and Reed confirmed to Bob Schieffer yesterday that Senator Obama visited the Combat Support Hospital in Baghdad as a part of their CODEL, with no media present.
"In Germany, Senator Obama made the right decision to respect wounded troops, and the doctors and nurses doing crucial and time-sensitive work, by not making a visit that was characterized as a campaign event by the Pentagon. Senator Obama should be thanked for putting our military above politics. And, I would hope that John McCain would think in those same terms, the next time he is put in a similar situation.
"Senator Obama has voted for the troops when John McCain has not, most recently on the new GI Bill. I am happy that Senator Obama puts the welfare of our troops above politics."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat..._Ramstein_medical_chief_denounces_McCain.html
Turnpike Jim
Inactive
Notice the "retired" in there. Just wanted to point that out. She is speaking as a civilian. Not in a Military capacity, but as an Obama supporter, and should be seen as such.
Jim
That makes no sense... Visiting wounded troops in Baghdad good, visiting wounded troops in Germany bad.
Logic, is not Katherine's strong suit.
The difference is that, as she states, the visit in Baghdad was part of an Official Congregtional Delgation (CODEL)... Not one that would be made during a political-campaign's itinerary, the latter, no matter how pure the intent could/would be seen as a campaign event.
True: She retired in October, 2006. BUT:
She knows a lot more about wounded troops passing through Germany than Senator McCain does. She's the person who oversaw medical operations at U.S. Air Force Europe Headquarters at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany during the first half of the war in Iraq. Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany, is where the majority of those injured during the war in Iraq are taken for treatemnt.
Oilpatch Hand
3-Bomb General, TB2K Army
Col. Katherine Scheirman (Ret.) said:
So, this retired colonel is essentially confirming the thesis of this thread, that is to say, that Obama bolted when he was prohibited from using the hospitals and Ramstein and Landstuhl as campaign event venues, and the wounded soldiers themselves as photographic props.
Very good. Thank you.
Where once there was confusion, now there is understanding and enlightenment.
Topusaret
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So, this retired colonel is essentially confirming the thesis of this thread, that is to say, that Obama bolted when he was prohibited from using the hospitals and Ramstein and Landstuhl as campaign event venues, and the wounded soldiers themselves as photographic props.
Very good. Thank you.
Where once there was confusion, now there is understanding and enlightenment.
Excellent job with that petard, Oilpatch.
