packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Umm yeah Carnival, etc., since January. I'm guessing the numbers are higher in Louisiana for Martin gra and the southern states for spring break.
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CORONA Why Americans should "be very worried" about the COVID variant tearing through Brazil
- Thread starter Troke
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Umm yeah Carnival, etc., since January. I'm guessing the numbers are higher in Louisiana for Martin gra and the southern states for spring break.
sleepyeddie
Senior Member
All I needed to see was that the article was by CBS News. They have been telling us we should be afraid for 93 years.
Please. Just report the news and let us decide how we should feel.
Please. Just report the news and let us decide how we should feel.
Posted for fair use.....
Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?
By Nathalia Passarinho and Luis Barrucho
BBC Brazil
Published 6 hours ago
More than a year into the pandemic, deaths in Brazil are now at their peak. But despite the overwhelming evidence that Covid-19 rarely kills young children, in Brazil 1,300 babies have died from the virus. One doctor refused to test Jessika Ricarte's one-year-old son for Covid, saying his symptoms did not fit the profile of the virus. Two months later he died of complications from the disease.
After two years of trying, and failed fertility treatments, teacher Jessika Ricarte had all but given up on having a family. Then she fell pregnant with Lucas.
"His name comes from luminous. And he was a light in our life. He showed that happiness was much more than we imagined," she says.
She first suspected something was wrong when Lucas, always a good eater, lost his appetite.
At first Jessika wondered if he was teething. Lucas's godmother, a nurse, suggested that he might just have a sore throat. But after he developed a fever, then fatigue and slightly laboured breathing, Jessika took him to hospital, and asked for him to be tested for Covid.
"The doctor put on the oximeter. Lucas's levels were 86%. Now I know that is not normal," says Jessika.
But he was not feverish, so the doctor said: "My dear, don't worry. There's no need for a Covid test. It's probably just a minor sore throat."
He told Jessika that Covid-19 was rare in children, gave her some antibiotics and sent her home. Despite her misgivings, there was no option to have Lucas tested privately at the time.
Jessika says that some of his symptoms dissipated at the end of his 10-day antibiotics course, but the tiredness remained - as did her concerns about coronavirus.
"I sent several videos to his godmother, my parents, my mother-in-law, and everyone said that I was exaggerating, that I should stop watching the news, that it was making me paranoid. But I knew that my son was not himself, that he was not breathing normally."
This was May 2020, and the coronavirus epidemic was growing. Two people had already died in her town, Tamboril in Ceará, north-east Brazil. "Everyone knows each other here. The town was in shock."
Jessika's husband Israel was worried that another hospital visit would increase the risk that she and Lucas would become infected with the virus.
But the weeks went by, and Lucas became sleepier and sleepier. Finally on 3 June, Lucas vomited over and over again after eating lunch, and Jessika knew she had to act.
They returned to their local hospital, where the doctor tested Lucas for Covid, to rule it out.
Lucas's godmother, who worked there, broke the news to the couple that his test result was positive.
"At the time, the hospital did not even have a resuscitator," says Jessika.
Lucas was transferred to a paediatric intensive care unit in Sobral, over two hours away, where he was diagnosed with a condition called multi-system inflammatory syndrome (MIS).
This is an extreme immune response to the virus, which can cause inflammation of vital organs.
Experts say the syndrome, which affects children up to six weeks after they are infected with coronavirus, is rare, but leading epidemiologist Dr Fatima Marinho from the University of São Paolo, says that, during the pandemic, she is seeing more cases of MIS than ever before. Although it doesn't account for all deaths.
When Lucas was intubated, Jessika wasn't allowed to stay in the same room. She rang her sister-in-law to try and distract herself.
"We could still hear the sound of the machine, the beep, until the machine stopped and there was that constant beep. And we know that happens when the person dies. After a few minutes, the machine started working again and I started to cry."
The doctor told her Lucas had suffered a cardiac arrest but they had managed to revive him.
Dr Manuela Monte, the paediatric doctor who treated Lucas for over a month in the ICU in Sobral, said she was surprised that Lucas's condition was so serious, because he did not have any risk factors.
Most children affected by Covid have comorbidities - existing conditions such as diabetes or cardiovascular disease - or are overweight, according to Lohanna Tavares, a paediatric infectologist at Albert Sabin Children's Hospital in Fortaleza, the state capital.
But that wasn't the case with Lucas.
During the 33 days Lucas was in the ICU, Jessika was only allowed to see him three times. Lucas needed immunoglobulin - a very expensive medication - to deflate his heart, but luckily an adult patient who had bought his own had donated one leftover ampoule to the hospital. Lucas was so ill that he went on to receive a second dose of immunoglobulin. He developed a rash on his body and was running a persistent fever. He needed support to breathe.
Then Lucas began to improve and the doctors decided to take out his oxygen tube. They video-called Jessika and Israel so that he wouldn't feel alone as he regained consciousness.
"When he heard our voices he started to cry," says Jessika.
It was the last time they were to see their boy react. During the next video call "he had a paralysed look". The hospital requested a CT scan and discovered Lucas had had a stroke.
Still, the couple were told Lucas would make a good recovery with the right care and would soon be moved out of ICU and into a general ward.
When Jessika and Israel went to visit him, the doctor was just as hopeful as they were, she says.
"That night, I put my cell phone on silent. I dreamed Lucas came up to me and kissed my nose. And the dream was a great feeling of love, gratitude and I woke up very happy. Then I saw my cell phone and saw the 10 calls that the doctor had made."
The doctor told Jessika that Lucas's heart rate and oxygen levels had dropped suddenly, and he had died early that morning.
She feels sure that if Lucas had been given a Covid test when she had requested it back in early May he would have survived.
"It is important that doctors, even if they believe it is not Covid, do the test to eliminate the possibility," she says.
"A baby does not say what he is feeling, so we depend on tests."
Jessika believes that the delay in proper treatment made his condition more serious. "Lucas had several inflammations, 70% of the lung was compromised, the heart increased by 40%. It was a situation that could have been avoided."
Dr Monte, who treated Lucas, agrees. She says that although MIS cannot be prevented, treatment is much more successful if the condition is diagnosed and treated early.
"The earlier he would have received specialised care, the better," she says. "He arrived at the hospital already critically ill. I believe he could have had a different outcome if we could have treated him earlier."
Jessika now wants to share Lucas's story to help others who may miss critical symptoms.
"Every child I know was saved by some warning and the mother says: 'I saw your posts, I took my son to the hospital and he is now at home.' It's as if it were a little bit of Lucas," she says.
"I have been doing for these people what I wish they had done for me. If I had had information, I would have been even more cautious."
There is a misconception that children are at zero risk for Covid, says Dr Fatima Marinho, who is also a senior adviser to the international health NGO Vital Strategies. Marinho's research has found that a shockingly high number of children and babies have been affected by the virus.
Between February 2020 and 15 March 2021, Covid-19 killed at least 852 of Brazil's children up to the age of nine, including 518 babies under one year old, according to figures from the Brazilian Ministry of Health. But Dr Marinho estimates that more than twice this number of children died of Covid. A serious problem of underreporting due to lack of Covid testing is bringing the numbers down, she says.
Dr Marinho calculated the excess of deaths by unspecified acute respiratory syndrome during the pandemic, and found that there were 10 times more deaths by unexplained respiratory syndrome than in previous years. By adding these numbers, she estimates that the virus in fact killed 2,060 children under nine years old, including 1,302 babies.
Why is this happening?
Experts say the sheer number of Covid cases in the country - the second-highest number in the world - have increased the likelihood that Brazil's babies and young children are affected.
"Of course, the more cases we have and, as a result, the more hospitalisations, the greater the number of deaths in all age groups, including children. But if the pandemic were controlled, this scenario could evidently be minimised," says Renato Kfouri, president of the Scientific Department of Immunisations of the Brazilian Society of Pediatrics.
Such a high infection rate has overwhelmed Brazil's entire health care system. Across the country, oxygen supplies are dwindling, there is a shortage of basic medicines and in many ICUs across the country there are simply no more beds.
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro continues to oppose lockdowns and the infection rate is being driven by a variant called P.1 which emerged in Manaus, in northern Brazil, last year, and is thought to be much more contagious. Twice the number of people died last month than in any other month of the pandemic, and the upward trend is continuing.
Marinho says that for children often the Covid diagnosis comes too late, when they are already seriously ill. "We have a serious problem detecting cases. We don't have enough tests for the general population, even fewer for children. Because there is a delay in the diagnosis, there is a delay in care for the child," she says.
This is not just because there is little testing capacity, but also because it is easier to miss, or misdiagnose, the symptoms of children suffering from Covid-19, as the disease tends to present differently in younger people.
"A child has a lot more diarrhoea, a lot more abdominal pain, and chest pain, than the classic Covid picture. Because there is a delay in diagnosis, when the child arrives at the hospital they are in a serious condition and can end up complicating - and dying," she says.
But it's also about poverty and access to health care.
An observational study of 5,857 Covid-19 patients under the age of 20, carried out by Brazilian paediatricians led by Braian Sousa from the São Paolo school of medicine, identified both comorbidities and socioeconomic vulnerabilities as risk factors for the worst outcome of Covid-19 in children.
Marinho agrees this is an important factor. "Most vulnerable are black children, and those from very poor families, as they have the most difficulty accessing help. These are the children most at risk of death." She says this is because crowded housing conditions make it impossible to socially distance when infected, and because poorer communities do not have access to a local ICU.
These children are also at risk of malnutrition, which is "terrible for the immune response", Marinho says. When Covid payments stopped, millions were plunged back into poverty. "We went from 7 million to 21 million people below the poverty line in one year. So people are also going hungry. All of this is impacting mortality."
Sousa says his study identifies certain risk groups among children that should be prioritised for vaccination. Currently, there are no vaccines available for children under 16 years of age.
Visits by relatives to children in ICU have been restricted since the beginning of the pandemic, for fear of infection.
Dr Cinara Carneiro, an ICU doctor at Albert Sabin Children's Hospital, says this has been immensely challenging, not just because parents are a comfort to their children, but because they can also help in a clinical sense - they can tell when their child is in pain or in psychological distress and when they need soothing rather than medicating.
And she says the parents' absence intensifies their own trauma when they hear their child's condition has deteriorated and they haven't been there to witness it.
"It hurts to see a child dying without seeing their parents," says Dr Carneiro.
In an attempt to improve the communication between parents and their children, staff at Albert Sabin hospital clubbed together to buy phones and tablets to facilitate video calls.
Dr Carneiro says this has helped immensely. "We have made over 100 video calls between family members and patients. This contact has greatly reduced the stress."
Scientists stress the risk of death in this age group is still "very low" - the current figures suggest only 0.58% of Brazil's 345,287 Covid deaths to date have been of 0-9 year olds - but that is more than 2,000 children.
"The numbers are really scary," says Dr Carneiro.
When to seek help
While coronavirus is infectious to children, it is rarely serious. If your child is unwell it is likely to be a non-coronavirus illness, rather than coronavirus itself.
The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health advises parents seek urgent help if their child is:
Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?
As the pandemic rages in Brazil, hundreds of babies and young children are dying of Covid.
www.bbc.com
Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?
By Nathalia Passarinho and Luis Barrucho
BBC Brazil
Published 6 hours ago
More than a year into the pandemic, deaths in Brazil are now at their peak. But despite the overwhelming evidence that Covid-19 rarely kills young children, in Brazil 1,300 babies have died from the virus. One doctor refused to test Jessika Ricarte's one-year-old son for Covid, saying his symptoms did not fit the profile of the virus. Two months later he died of complications from the disease.
After two years of trying, and failed fertility treatments, teacher Jessika Ricarte had all but given up on having a family. Then she fell pregnant with Lucas.
"His name comes from luminous. And he was a light in our life. He showed that happiness was much more than we imagined," she says.
She first suspected something was wrong when Lucas, always a good eater, lost his appetite.
At first Jessika wondered if he was teething. Lucas's godmother, a nurse, suggested that he might just have a sore throat. But after he developed a fever, then fatigue and slightly laboured breathing, Jessika took him to hospital, and asked for him to be tested for Covid.
"The doctor put on the oximeter. Lucas's levels were 86%. Now I know that is not normal," says Jessika.
But he was not feverish, so the doctor said: "My dear, don't worry. There's no need for a Covid test. It's probably just a minor sore throat."
He told Jessika that Covid-19 was rare in children, gave her some antibiotics and sent her home. Despite her misgivings, there was no option to have Lucas tested privately at the time.
Jessika says that some of his symptoms dissipated at the end of his 10-day antibiotics course, but the tiredness remained - as did her concerns about coronavirus.
"I sent several videos to his godmother, my parents, my mother-in-law, and everyone said that I was exaggerating, that I should stop watching the news, that it was making me paranoid. But I knew that my son was not himself, that he was not breathing normally."
This was May 2020, and the coronavirus epidemic was growing. Two people had already died in her town, Tamboril in Ceará, north-east Brazil. "Everyone knows each other here. The town was in shock."
Jessika's husband Israel was worried that another hospital visit would increase the risk that she and Lucas would become infected with the virus.
But the weeks went by, and Lucas became sleepier and sleepier. Finally on 3 June, Lucas vomited over and over again after eating lunch, and Jessika knew she had to act.
They returned to their local hospital, where the doctor tested Lucas for Covid, to rule it out.
Lucas's godmother, who worked there, broke the news to the couple that his test result was positive.
"At the time, the hospital did not even have a resuscitator," says Jessika.
Lucas was transferred to a paediatric intensive care unit in Sobral, over two hours away, where he was diagnosed with a condition called multi-system inflammatory syndrome (MIS).
This is an extreme immune response to the virus, which can cause inflammation of vital organs.
Experts say the syndrome, which affects children up to six weeks after they are infected with coronavirus, is rare, but leading epidemiologist Dr Fatima Marinho from the University of São Paolo, says that, during the pandemic, she is seeing more cases of MIS than ever before. Although it doesn't account for all deaths.
When Lucas was intubated, Jessika wasn't allowed to stay in the same room. She rang her sister-in-law to try and distract herself.
"We could still hear the sound of the machine, the beep, until the machine stopped and there was that constant beep. And we know that happens when the person dies. After a few minutes, the machine started working again and I started to cry."
The doctor told her Lucas had suffered a cardiac arrest but they had managed to revive him.
Dr Manuela Monte, the paediatric doctor who treated Lucas for over a month in the ICU in Sobral, said she was surprised that Lucas's condition was so serious, because he did not have any risk factors.
Most children affected by Covid have comorbidities - existing conditions such as diabetes or cardiovascular disease - or are overweight, according to Lohanna Tavares, a paediatric infectologist at Albert Sabin Children's Hospital in Fortaleza, the state capital.
But that wasn't the case with Lucas.
During the 33 days Lucas was in the ICU, Jessika was only allowed to see him three times. Lucas needed immunoglobulin - a very expensive medication - to deflate his heart, but luckily an adult patient who had bought his own had donated one leftover ampoule to the hospital. Lucas was so ill that he went on to receive a second dose of immunoglobulin. He developed a rash on his body and was running a persistent fever. He needed support to breathe.
Then Lucas began to improve and the doctors decided to take out his oxygen tube. They video-called Jessika and Israel so that he wouldn't feel alone as he regained consciousness.
"When he heard our voices he started to cry," says Jessika.
It was the last time they were to see their boy react. During the next video call "he had a paralysed look". The hospital requested a CT scan and discovered Lucas had had a stroke.
Still, the couple were told Lucas would make a good recovery with the right care and would soon be moved out of ICU and into a general ward.
When Jessika and Israel went to visit him, the doctor was just as hopeful as they were, she says.
"That night, I put my cell phone on silent. I dreamed Lucas came up to me and kissed my nose. And the dream was a great feeling of love, gratitude and I woke up very happy. Then I saw my cell phone and saw the 10 calls that the doctor had made."
The doctor told Jessika that Lucas's heart rate and oxygen levels had dropped suddenly, and he had died early that morning.
She feels sure that if Lucas had been given a Covid test when she had requested it back in early May he would have survived.
"It is important that doctors, even if they believe it is not Covid, do the test to eliminate the possibility," she says.
"A baby does not say what he is feeling, so we depend on tests."
Jessika believes that the delay in proper treatment made his condition more serious. "Lucas had several inflammations, 70% of the lung was compromised, the heart increased by 40%. It was a situation that could have been avoided."
Dr Monte, who treated Lucas, agrees. She says that although MIS cannot be prevented, treatment is much more successful if the condition is diagnosed and treated early.
"The earlier he would have received specialised care, the better," she says. "He arrived at the hospital already critically ill. I believe he could have had a different outcome if we could have treated him earlier."
Jessika now wants to share Lucas's story to help others who may miss critical symptoms.
"Every child I know was saved by some warning and the mother says: 'I saw your posts, I took my son to the hospital and he is now at home.' It's as if it were a little bit of Lucas," she says.
"I have been doing for these people what I wish they had done for me. If I had had information, I would have been even more cautious."
There is a misconception that children are at zero risk for Covid, says Dr Fatima Marinho, who is also a senior adviser to the international health NGO Vital Strategies. Marinho's research has found that a shockingly high number of children and babies have been affected by the virus.
Between February 2020 and 15 March 2021, Covid-19 killed at least 852 of Brazil's children up to the age of nine, including 518 babies under one year old, according to figures from the Brazilian Ministry of Health. But Dr Marinho estimates that more than twice this number of children died of Covid. A serious problem of underreporting due to lack of Covid testing is bringing the numbers down, she says.
Dr Marinho calculated the excess of deaths by unspecified acute respiratory syndrome during the pandemic, and found that there were 10 times more deaths by unexplained respiratory syndrome than in previous years. By adding these numbers, she estimates that the virus in fact killed 2,060 children under nine years old, including 1,302 babies.
Why is this happening?
Experts say the sheer number of Covid cases in the country - the second-highest number in the world - have increased the likelihood that Brazil's babies and young children are affected.
"Of course, the more cases we have and, as a result, the more hospitalisations, the greater the number of deaths in all age groups, including children. But if the pandemic were controlled, this scenario could evidently be minimised," says Renato Kfouri, president of the Scientific Department of Immunisations of the Brazilian Society of Pediatrics.
Such a high infection rate has overwhelmed Brazil's entire health care system. Across the country, oxygen supplies are dwindling, there is a shortage of basic medicines and in many ICUs across the country there are simply no more beds.
Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro continues to oppose lockdowns and the infection rate is being driven by a variant called P.1 which emerged in Manaus, in northern Brazil, last year, and is thought to be much more contagious. Twice the number of people died last month than in any other month of the pandemic, and the upward trend is continuing.
- Covid-19: Why have deaths soared in Brazil?
- Covid: Younger Brazilians fall ill as cases explode
- Brazil's health system has 'collapsed' with Covid
Marinho says that for children often the Covid diagnosis comes too late, when they are already seriously ill. "We have a serious problem detecting cases. We don't have enough tests for the general population, even fewer for children. Because there is a delay in the diagnosis, there is a delay in care for the child," she says.
This is not just because there is little testing capacity, but also because it is easier to miss, or misdiagnose, the symptoms of children suffering from Covid-19, as the disease tends to present differently in younger people.
"A child has a lot more diarrhoea, a lot more abdominal pain, and chest pain, than the classic Covid picture. Because there is a delay in diagnosis, when the child arrives at the hospital they are in a serious condition and can end up complicating - and dying," she says.
But it's also about poverty and access to health care.
An observational study of 5,857 Covid-19 patients under the age of 20, carried out by Brazilian paediatricians led by Braian Sousa from the São Paolo school of medicine, identified both comorbidities and socioeconomic vulnerabilities as risk factors for the worst outcome of Covid-19 in children.
Marinho agrees this is an important factor. "Most vulnerable are black children, and those from very poor families, as they have the most difficulty accessing help. These are the children most at risk of death." She says this is because crowded housing conditions make it impossible to socially distance when infected, and because poorer communities do not have access to a local ICU.
These children are also at risk of malnutrition, which is "terrible for the immune response", Marinho says. When Covid payments stopped, millions were plunged back into poverty. "We went from 7 million to 21 million people below the poverty line in one year. So people are also going hungry. All of this is impacting mortality."
Sousa says his study identifies certain risk groups among children that should be prioritised for vaccination. Currently, there are no vaccines available for children under 16 years of age.
Visits by relatives to children in ICU have been restricted since the beginning of the pandemic, for fear of infection.
Dr Cinara Carneiro, an ICU doctor at Albert Sabin Children's Hospital, says this has been immensely challenging, not just because parents are a comfort to their children, but because they can also help in a clinical sense - they can tell when their child is in pain or in psychological distress and when they need soothing rather than medicating.
And she says the parents' absence intensifies their own trauma when they hear their child's condition has deteriorated and they haven't been there to witness it.
"It hurts to see a child dying without seeing their parents," says Dr Carneiro.
In an attempt to improve the communication between parents and their children, staff at Albert Sabin hospital clubbed together to buy phones and tablets to facilitate video calls.
Dr Carneiro says this has helped immensely. "We have made over 100 video calls between family members and patients. This contact has greatly reduced the stress."
Scientists stress the risk of death in this age group is still "very low" - the current figures suggest only 0.58% of Brazil's 345,287 Covid deaths to date have been of 0-9 year olds - but that is more than 2,000 children.
"The numbers are really scary," says Dr Carneiro.
When to seek help
While coronavirus is infectious to children, it is rarely serious. If your child is unwell it is likely to be a non-coronavirus illness, rather than coronavirus itself.
The Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health advises parents seek urgent help if their child is:
- Becoming pale, mottled and feeling abnormally cold to the touch
- Has pauses in their breathing (apnoeas), has an irregular breathing pattern or starts grunting
- Has severe difficulty in breathing, becoming agitated or unresponsive
- Is going blue round the lips
- Has a fit/seizure
- Becomes extremely distressed (crying inconsolably despite distraction), confused, very lethargic (difficult to wake) or unresponsive
- Develops a rash that does not disappear with pressure (the 'Glass test')
- Has testicular pain, especially in teenage boys
You're forgetting Justinian's Plague, which was another strain of Yersinia pestis which ran a scythe through Europe and the Mediterranean Basin and Middle East from 541–549 AD and then off and on again through the 8th Century.
Trouble
Veteran Member
Same stuff we heard all of last year, omg it's the end of the world. It is not. I've not worn a mask or done any of the other bullshit spouted about enedlessly. I've gone out, done what I wanted the whole time. And guess what, not dead or sick. Been exposed multiple times that I know of. It's bullshit, to keep everyone afraid so the power they grabbed won't be taken away. Graves in Iran, Brazil. Both 3rd world shitholes, when mass Graves start showing up in 1st countries I might look. Anyone remember the dreaded refer trailers from last yr. I do.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Here's one American that doesn't have to worry about a Brazilian variant.
Troke's doing the worrying for me.
Troke's doing the worrying for me.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
You need to move out of Michigan, to America.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Perhaps (I trust fewer and fewer statistics these days, if a .gov has had a finger anywhere near the scales). But, how many of the corpses had received one of the fauxines? Hmmm?
Well folks, Brazil was a TBK'ers dream. A President who
1. Said the virus ain't much to worry about.
2. Refused to lock down
3. Refused masks
4. Pushed Hydroxychloroquine-if I read correctly the drug is available on every street corner
5. Very few vaccinated.
Ivermectin also easily available. The city of Itajai pushed it by the millions of doses and what have they got?
Corpses.
We got vaccinations and they don't
They got ivermectin and hydrochloroquine easily available and for general purposes, we don't.
They are dying like flies and we aren't.
Message there?
1. Said the virus ain't much to worry about.
2. Refused to lock down
3. Refused masks
4. Pushed Hydroxychloroquine-if I read correctly the drug is available on every street corner
5. Very few vaccinated.
Ivermectin also easily available. The city of Itajai pushed it by the millions of doses and what have they got?
Corpses.
We got vaccinations and they don't
They got ivermectin and hydrochloroquine easily available and for general purposes, we don't.
They are dying like flies and we aren't.
Message there?
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Brazil's crime rate has long been through the roof. They are predominantly nonwhite. (No place for a white American prepper to go.) Oh, and we don't have Chinavirus vaccines available here; we have highly experimental gene therapy of questionable need and unchecked riskiness, but no actual vaccines. You know all this.
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naegling62
Veteran Member
Thanks Troke for your perspective on things.
CapeCMom
Veteran Member
Well I will say that the P1 variant is heavy where I live. A lot of young people are getting sick where they were not with the original strain. The average age of people hospitalized is now in their 50’s not 70-80 like it was before. A friend of mines brother who is 52 with no preexisting conditions is on a vent. They don’t think he is going to make it. It is definitely more contagious. Because of the P 1 strain we have the highest positivity rate in the entire state.
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Yeah, but the fishing is so good and we have miles of woods and rivers to play in. I just ignore the dictator. She doesn’t affect my life in any way.
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Giver her and her ilk time. The USSR had loads of woods and rivers, too, but it was enslaved everywhere.
Intestinal Fortitude
Have Faith
Well if it comes to the USA and Death walks with it we can blame Biden & Co for opening the border
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Okay was just watching BBC News World America on PBS. One of the reason that Brazil is freaking out about the variant they're facing is because it's affecting children 22 times more than anyplace else on the planet. what I noticed in the video, of the parents interviewed, and of the kids they showed in the ICU units is that they all appear to be mixed race.
Of course we'll never get the true stats in the US, however, now I'd like to know how many deaths were of those who are of mixed races?
I know covid has hit some of the south western reservations pretty hard, and on the larger ones where there's a mixing of races its the mixed raced people who are being hit the hardest, according to a friend who is in the medical field on one particular reservation.
It was mentioned in the main thread, suspected anyway, that this virus is a bioweapon to cleanse the races.
As I've said in other threads here, Soros sole goal is to finish hitlers final plan, which was the purification of the races, and eliminating any that were not of the aryan race, which is joke in and of itself.
Of course we'll never get the true stats in the US, however, now I'd like to know how many deaths were of those who are of mixed races?
I know covid has hit some of the south western reservations pretty hard, and on the larger ones where there's a mixing of races its the mixed raced people who are being hit the hardest, according to a friend who is in the medical field on one particular reservation.
It was mentioned in the main thread, suspected anyway, that this virus is a bioweapon to cleanse the races.
As I've said in other threads here, Soros sole goal is to finish hitlers final plan, which was the purification of the races, and eliminating any that were not of the aryan race, which is joke in and of itself.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Of children, very small children at that!!! You have to dig to get that information.
A natural deficit of Vit D
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
What the MSM here in the states is NOT telling you is this is happening in areas where malnutrition is a problem and it's children that it is mainly affecting. Poor quality water, food not the best or even available and yes children and babies are going to be grossly affected. And it would also appear that many of these kids are mixed race.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Not sure if mixed race has anything to do with this but poor nutrition, sanitation and water quality would be high on my list of subjects.
IIRC, there are lots of slums and cardboard houses jammed together
IIRC, there are lots of slums and cardboard houses jammed together
And is there any investigation into sanitation and nutrition and water quality by ANYone?
Nope.
Ruins the narrative. And takes effort. And will get you fired from your "news reporting" firm.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Yes and no. In most of South America race is mute so long as you have money/wealth. If you don’t have that then you’re screwed.
MinnesotaSmith
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Maybe, but Soros (or at least most of his stooges) seems to have plenty of homicidal hate for whites, particularly those with even a trace of desire to stay alive.As I've said in other threads here, Soros sole goal is to finish hitlers final plan, which was the purification of the races, and eliminating any that were not of the aryan race, which is joke in and of itself.
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
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Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
The money/wealth is socio-economic and better living conditions thus less vulnerable to diseases.
Race isn't that moot.
In the Spanish parts of South America, the "whites" have a higher status than the Indians.
Not sure about Brazil which is Portuguese
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Doesn't fall into the one germ/one disease/one drug agenda and not profitable for Rockefeller medicine and oharma
Yup. Don't listen to the fake news propaganda and you will be fine. Better yet, Better yet, boycott all fake news channels (even local news because they receive their news copy from their fake news headquarters) and you will finally find peace. Watch America One News. Real journalism there.
1.The Spanish Flu virus was genetically sequenced in the 1990s, so a specific vaccine is easily possible, but probably unnecessary because the mutated descendants of the Spanish Flu virus make up the flu virus we still fight today.
Could the Flu virus mutate into a much more deadly form? Yep, it is a constant worry of epidemiologists that they'll wake up one day and find this years flu has a 30 or 40% mortality rate.
2. Smallpox? I don't know about you but I've had 3 smallpox vaccinations in my life, Once as a kid, once in the military and once in a special program at the Dept of Health after 9-11, also had an opportunity to get Anthrax vaccine but declined.
I think a lot of people will still have some immunity to smallpox. However I think the biggest danger is genetically modified Smallpox virus which is entirely possible.
3 The Black Death or Bubonic Plague killed a lot of people in the past. It's still around and occurs in many countries every year. Thanks to modern medicine it's not so dangerous and fatal as it once was.
All that being said, what is extremely dangerous is the fact that any virus can be easily modified in the lab of any first world country and even a few second world countries. Old diseases could be modified to increase their mortality rate, and even entirely new diseases could be manufactured. There are many virus types out in nature that we don't even know about yet.
This is all extremely dangerous, but the genie is already out of the bottle.
Hell the military is already developing broad spectrum antibodies that would be given to troops heading into battle with peer or near peer enemies, with use of special virus identification sensors and new mRNA and DNA vaccines that could be developed within 6 weeks, in order to fight this new type of war. The poor mans nuke of the future is biological warfare.
The old military saying that you kill 1 soldier and he's dead. Wound 1 soldier and it takes 3 or 4 to take care of him.
That's obsolete. In the future, you infect one soldier and a thousand get sick or die, and in the process infect 10,000 more.
It also makes attacking civilian populations to cripple a country very easy.
The future is not very pretty.
somewherepress
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Fear porn. Why are you pushing the mask-up and lockdown/take the damn vaccine/WHO/CDC/CCP Covid 19/Great Reset narrative?Why Americans should "be very worried" about the COVID variant tearing through Brazil
Why Americans should "be very worried" about the COVID variant tearing through Brazil
Hospitals are struggling to cope as a highly infectious COVID variant ravages the country. There are questions over vaccine efficacy, and one expert says other strains "will escape."www.cbsnews.com
Sao Paulo — Brazil's battle against a dangerous coronavirus variant has left its hospitals at breaking point, with new cases skyrocketing and the death toll climbing precipitously. One expert told CBS News that Americans should be "very worried about" the prospect of the mutant virus, or others yet undetected, gaining a foothold on U.S. soil.
The COVID-19 surge in Brazil is being driven both by the highly-infectious P-1 strain that was first detected in that country, and a highly-criticized government response to the pandemic. The variant has already been found in more than half of U.S. states.
As CBS News correspondent Manuel Bojorquez reports, the situation in Brazil's biggest city, Sao Paulo, and across the country, is dire. When the P-1 variant started taking hold last month, hospital intensive care units in more than half of Brazil's states were already at 90% capacity, or more.
COVID surge leaves Brazilians digging graves around the clock
CBS News witnessed firsthand how the situation appears to be getting even worse, pushing Brazil's robust health care system to the brink. Every single patient at Sao Paulo's Hospital Geral de Vila Penteado suffers from COVID-19. There's no room for any others.
De Jesus told Bojorquez that in her experience, fewer than half of the patients she's treating are likely to recover from the disease. Surprisingly, she said more and more of those patients are in their 20's, 30's and 40's.
Unlike ICUs in the U.S., the wards at her hospital are open, with no barriers between patients. It feels like a worst-case scenario for the medics trying desperately to save lives. Bojorquez watched as people were intubated to be put on ventilators, while in another room, a patient was given chest compressions. It's a daily struggle that haunts those working at the facility, and countless others across Brazil.
"The majority of the cases, the last thing they see is me, the nurses," de Jesus said.
Scientists believe the P-1 variant is fueling the surge. Dr. Miguel Nicolelis, a Distinguished Professor of Neuroscience at Duke University's School of Medicine, told CBS New that the strain is two-and-a-half times more easily transmitted from person to person, and that's a concern for everyone, even outside Brazil's borders.
"If I were talking to someone in Oklahoma, I would tell him or her to be very worried about it," Nicolelis told Bojorquez. "Because if Brazil is out of control, the world will be out of control in a few weeks. Because variants that are brewing here every day, every week… they will escape."
He said he spoke out about the worsening in threat in Brazil months ago, but few listened — most notably President Jair Bolsonaro, who has been criticized for downplaying the pandemic and fighting restrictions put in place by some governors, including Sao Paulo's.
"We are fighting against two viruses at this moment, the coronavirus and 'Bolsonorovirus,'" Sao Paulo Governor Joao Doria told Bojorquez.
Doria has drawn the ire of Bolsonaro's supporters, but he believes the limited restrictions he's been able to enforce in Brazil's most populous state — home to more than 46 million people — including closing shopping malls, have started to show results.
But he said the measures he's able to take without the national government coming on board simply aren't enough to combat the health crisis.
"We need, at this moment, to be united against the virus, not divided, and we are divided," he said. "We are advocating [for a] lockdown right now. We are in the red phase at this moment. It's a lockdown, a local lockdown, to orient people to stay home at this time. Please, stay home."
Brazil's Health Ministry says roughly 3% of the country's population has been fully vaccinated. The country is currently using two vaccines not yet approved for use in the U.S., but the drugs most widely-used in the U.S. are showing mixed results in protecting against the P-1 variant.
Oscar Wilde
Membership Revoked
P1 variant?
A case of "if at first you don't succeed ...." perhaps?
In which case variants will continue to present until
the end goal is achieved.
O.W.
A case of "if at first you don't succeed ...." perhaps?
In which case variants will continue to present until
the end goal is achieved.
O.W.
ChicagoMan74
ULTRA MAGA
Any virus can mutate.
They only mutate when they replicate. They can replicate when they infect someone.
The more infections you have the more the chance of mutations.
Mutations and how they affect the virus are random.
Some have a negative effect on the infectiousness or the mortality of the virus, some just the opposite, and some have no discernable effect at all.
In the slums of big cities around the world the virus finds a very hospitable breeding ground.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Perhaps you should get facts and data on smallpox and the vaccine.
I'd recommend "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne Humphries.
Enough charts and graphs to satisfy anyone.
There is somewhere around 100 pages on smallpox, alone.
An example would be to look at Leicester England's data.
Vaccines had little to nothing to do with eradicating smallpox
I'd recommend "Dissolving Illusions" by Suzanne Humphries.
Enough charts and graphs to satisfy anyone.
There is somewhere around 100 pages on smallpox, alone.
An example would be to look at Leicester England's data.
Vaccines had little to nothing to do with eradicating smallpox
L.A.B.
Goodness before greatness.
10-4 Dozdoats.
I’ve uncovered, documented, and posted what I have been shown. I suppose in some venues that is considered testimony.
That confirmation bias is a funny thing when one is out to get firewood, and cannot see the forest for the trees.
In today’s mandated landscape, conformity cancels out any type of confirmation anyway.
My lying eyes. The new norm.