SCI WHERE THE POWER GOES OUT (in case of solar superstorm)

Pinecone

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Hmmmm. Doom porn for those who haven't had enough yet for 2020.


WHERE THE POWER GOES OUT: A solar superstorm can make your lights go out. New maps released by the USGS show where the power is most likely to fail: The Denver metropolitan area, the Pacific northwest, the Atlantic seaboard, and a cluster of Midwestern states near the US-Canadian Border. Bright yellow and orange trace the trouble spots across the contiguous USA:


Power companies have long been wary of the sun. Solar storms can cause strong electric currents to flow through commercial power lines--so strong that the lines can't handle it. Fuses blow, transformers melt, and circuit breakers trip. The most famous geomagnetic power outage happened during a space storm in March 1989 when six million people in Quebec lost power for 9 hours.

Whether or not *your* power goes out during a solar storm depends on two things: (1) The configuration of power lines in your area and (2) the electrical properties of the ground beneath your feet. In areas of more electrically resistive rock, currents struggle to flow through the ground. Instead, they leap up into overhead power lines – a scenario that played out in Quebec in 1989.

The new maps are possible thanks to Earthscope--a National Science Foundation magnetotelluric survey of the upper 2/3rds of the contiguous USA. Earthscope mapped the electrical properties of deep rock and soil on a continent-spanning grid with points about 70 km apart. USGS researchers led by Greg Lucas and Jeffrey Love combined this information with the layout of modern power lines to estimate peak voltages during a century-class storm.


Sprawling power lines act like antennas, picking up currents and spreading the problem over a wide area.​

They found a huge variation in hazard across the USA. "The largest estimated once-per-century geoelectric field is 27.2 V/km at a site located in Maine, while the lowest estimated once-per-century geoelectric field is 0.02 V/km at a site located in Idaho. That is more than 3 orders of magnitude difference," they wrote in their research paper "A 100‐year Geoelectric Hazard Analysis for the U.S. High‐Voltage Power Grid." Notably, some of the most vulnerable regions are near big cities: Denver, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington, DC.

To complete the hazard map, the researchers are waiting for a new magnetotelluric survey to cover the rest of the USA. It can't come soon enough. The last "century-class" geomagnetic storm hit in May 1921 ... 99 years ago.
 

Blazen

Contributing Member
This got me thinking about the approaching Comet. Would a Comet with a Caronal Mass 5 times larger than Jupiter affect the Magnetic Field of the Sun and attract an increase of Solar Flare activity and intensity? If so, we may be getting a Carrigan level Solar flare very soon.
 
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MountainBiker

Veteran Member
Yep, and after such an event, the remnants of our society will have learned that our grid was dependent upon parts and materials that were off shored to China so as to save a few nickels.
 

Martinhouse

Deceased
A comet five times the size of Jupiter would be like a wrecking ball swinging through our solar system and while it was happening, I really doubt we'd be giving a lot of thought to the power grid.
 

Blazen

Contributing Member
A comet five times the size of Jupiter would be like a wrecking ball swinging through our solar system and while it was happening, I really doubt we'd be giving a lot of thought to the power grid.
But there is a Comet approaching. Comet Atlas.
Projected Trajectory. There is a thread on it.
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Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
every time we get a big wind storm or a bad cold spell here the grid line voltage drops - occasionally bad enough to throw a "FAULT" notification on my solar charge controllers. interesting observation - uncertain exactly what the significance of it is however
 

Blazen

Contributing Member
I apologize, What I read was that the Coronal Mass was almost half the Coronal Mass of the Sun. It's not projected to hit the Earth. But my question is if it could affect the Magnetic Field of the Sun and cause increased Solar Flares?
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
Why am I not surprised that Minnesucka ... err, I mean Minnesota is right in the heart of it? :rolleyes:

Politically, this state is turning into a rectum of morons.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
A comet five times the size of Jupiter would be like a wrecking ball swinging through our solar system and while it was happening, I really doubt we'd be giving a lot of thought to the power grid.
Isn't that size the extent of its halo (if that's the proper term?). Otherwise, anything truly 5x the size/mass of Jupiter would have enormous gravitation effects that would have been noticed long ago. No?
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
This got me thinking about the approaching Comet. Would a Comet 5 times larger than Jupiter affect the Magnetic Field of the Sun and attract an increase of Solar Flare activity and intensity? If so, we may be getting a Carrigan level Solar flare very soon.


From what I know it's not that big but the dust cloud coming off of it and around it that make the glow we see makes appear that big.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
It's Holy Week. I don't have time to sort out the woo. Is this event something that I really need to concern myself about at this point?
 

Blazen

Contributing Member
Coronal mass is gaseous ejecta. That’s not dangerous.
I'm not concerned with the Comet impacting Earth. I am curious as to if the Coronal Mass "Gaseous Ejecta" has an electrical "Ionic" charge that would interact with the Ionic Charge of the Sun. I've never thought about weather a Comet has a Positive or Negative Ionic charge before.
 

Martinhouse

Deceased
The corona of the comet can be huge in its area but almost non-existent in its mass. You might not even notice if you were within it.

Can't remember how many times the size of Jupiter a planet has to be to be called a brown dwarf star. I've seen it said that Jupiter itself almost qualifies as such.
 

Milkweed Host

Veteran Member
Why am I not surprised that Minnesucka ... err, I mean Minnesota is right in the heart of it? :rolleyes:

Politically, this state is turning into a rectum of morons.

The Twin Cities and maybe Rochester, but many Minnesotans are great people and powerless
to deal with or change the thinking of the State's Democrats. Many of the people in the more rural
areas are normal and hard working. They deserve better but have to deal with the cards they are dealt.
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
The Twin Cities and maybe Rochester, but many Minnesotans are great people and powerless
to deal with or change the thinking of the State's Democrats. Many of the people in the more rural
areas are normal and hard working. They deserve better but have to deal with the cards they are dealt.
I agree with that. That's why I said "politcally ..."
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You mean I wasted all that money for this solar back-up power?
The chart says my whole state is going to be fine. :jstr:
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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IIRC, a significant, earth directed, coronal mass ejection (CME) can be detected a couple of days in advance.

I would guess that the only mitigation would be to de-energize the entire power grid in advance of the solar storm's arrival.

There still would some damage however.

Not a simple solution. There are many issues involved with an orderly shutdown and subsequent revival of the power grid.
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
The Twin Cities and maybe Rochester, but many Minnesotans are great people and powerless
to deal with or change the thinking of the State's Democrats. Many of the people in the more rural
areas are normal and hard working. They deserve better but have to deal with the cards they are dealt.

You got this right!! And I'm tired of people here still bashing all of Minnesota for what a few legislators do.
 

MountainBiker

Veteran Member
IIRC, a significant, earth directed, coronal mass ejection (CME) can be detected a couple of days in advance.

I would guess that the only mitigation would be to de-energize the entire power grid in advance of the solar storm's arrival.

There still would some damage however.

Not a simple solution. There are many issues involved with an orderly shutdown and subsequent revival of the power grid.
The big question is would our political class take the necessary actions to make it happen vs one side says do it and the other side seeks an injunction to stop it?
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
Lots of magnetic anomalies and metals in the rock/soil.
Yes, we have iron ore in northern Minnesota and hard bedrock all through the area. Both are beautiful stones for rock gardens and flower beds! But they do come with problems, and magnetic difficulties is one of them.

For all you who bash our Minnesota, think twice when you drive your car or work or use steel in anything. You have a great chance of that steel coming from our northern Minnesota iron mines!
 

tanstaafl

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There's a movie on IMDb titled "Solar Storm," but there are no production details or even actors listed (for multiple years now) so I'm thinking it's developmentally dead.


There was also apparently a pilot episode that aired May 11, 2013 for a non-starter TV series titled "The Carrington Event." I've tried without success to find the 49 minute pilot.

 

byronandkathy2003

Veteran Member
There's a movie on IMDb titled "Solar Storm," but there are no production details or even actors listed (for multiple years now) so I'm thinking it's developmentally dead.


There was also apparently a pilot episode that aired May 11, 2013 for a non-starter TV series titled "The Carrington Event." I've tried without success to find the 49 minute pilot.

here you go the video you could not find i hope this helps..
The Carrington Event

scratch the link i did not check it out before i put it up here it has no links to watch it on sorry guys i tried..
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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There's a movie on IMDb titled "Solar Storm," but there are no production details or even actors listed (for multiple years now) so I'm thinking it's developmentally dead.


There was also apparently a pilot episode that aired May 11, 2013 for a non-starter TV series titled "The Carrington Event." I've tried without success to find the 49 minute pilot.


This appears to be the trailer,

Runtime 1:55

THE CARRINGTON EVENT - Trailer - The FIGHT to SURVIVE Begins NOW

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAjtheYwXQk



THE CARRINGTON EVENT - The FIGHT for SURVIVAL begins NOW www.TheCarringtonEvent.com |

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/The-Carringt... Runtime: 48:22 minutes | Completion: Mar, 2013 IMDb: www.imdb.com/title/tt2247254

Trailer: http://youtu.be/iAjtheYwXQk SUBMISSION CONTACT: Rob Underhill, Director. Writer & Producer | www.RobUnderhill.com Cell: +1 (919) 649-7218 | TheCarringtonEvent@Gmail.com WORLD PREMIERE: Won *BEST DRAMA* at the Wilmington Film Awards, May 2013. AWARDS (2): -BEST DRAMA, 13th Cape Fear Independent Film Festival - May 2013 -BEST FAMILY DRAMA, Third World Indie Film Festival - Sept 2013 NOMINATIONS (6): -BEST HORROR/SCI-FI, Carmarthen Bay Film Festival - May 2014 -BEST FILM, TrindieFest - Sept 2013 -BEST FILM & BEST ACTOR, Gwinnett Ctr Int'l Film Festival - July 2013 -BEST FAMILY FILM & BEST FEATURE FILM, 13th Cape Fear Ind't Film Festival - May 2013 PROGRAMMING DESCRIPTORS: Forms: Narrative Fiction, Feature length Genres: Independent, Sci-Fi, Disaster, Drama, Thriller LOGLINE: News of a massive solar flare goes viral. Soon after, the power is out. Phone's dead. Water taps are dry. Radio is static. Days pass with no news, just people getting more crazy. Weeks pass and an ghastly fight for survival has already begun. SYNOPSIS: Joseph Carrington runs an organic mini-farm on the outskirts of a large, southern town. His rustic lifestyle means he is a bit removed from his family: his wife has spent the last decade pursuing a career in pediatrics; his teenage daughter, Tracy, wants nothing more than to be moving on with her life in a big city; his 10-year-old son has been raised on television, video games and abundance. It´s a typical day of family drama and duties when a solar storm cuts power to the farm. Soon after they discover that all electricity and communications in town are at total blackout as well: Cell phones do not connect, battery powered radios get only static, nothing is transmitting from television networks. There is no way of knowing what is happening outside their encapsulated environment, except by word of mouth. All things in the outside world descend into chaos without electricity and communications. Resources diminish. For most a struggle of life and death ensues. The Carringtons must pull together and overcome their differences. They must discover what is happening and how they can survive.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Yes, we have iron ore in northern Minnesota and hard bedrock all through the area. Both are beautiful stones for rock gardens and flower beds! But they do come with problems, and magnetic difficulties is one of them.

Haha. Yep...you learn early on with your Woodsmanship 101 up here to keep another frame of reference ASIDE FROM your compass to double-check that "North" isn't just a bit of billions-year-old bedrock popping through the surface and playing Siren (Greek mythology reference!) to the needle.
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
The Twin Cities and maybe Rochester, but many Minnesotans are great people and powerless
to deal with or change the thinking of the State's Democrats. Many of the people in the more rural
areas are normal and hard working. They deserve better but have to deal with the cards they are dealt.
It's the same in nearly all of the states. The big city metro areas stomp all over common sense and the will of the "normals".

Thank God that our Founders anticipated the problem almost 250 years ago with Congressional District representation and the Electoral College.
 
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