OP-ED When It Comes to the War in the Greater Middle East, Maybe We’re the Bad Guys

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When It Comes to the War in the Greater Middle East, Maybe We’re the Bad Guys

Worth dying for?

World Politics | September 8, 2017 | Maj. Danny Sjursen

I used to command soldiers. Over the years, lots of them actually. In Iraq, Colorado, Afghanistan and Kansas. And I’m still fixated on a few of them like this one private first class in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in 2011.

All of 18, he was short, scrawny and popular. Nine months after graduating from high school, he’d found himself chasing the Taliban with the rest of our gang. At five foot nothing, I once saw him step into an irrigation canal and disappear from sight — all but the two-foot antenna on his radio.

In my daydreams, I always see the same scene, the moment his filthy, grizzled baby face reappeared above that ditch, a cigarette still dangling loosely from his lips. His name was Anderson and I can remember thinking at that moment. What will I tell his mother if he gets killed out here?

And then … poof … it’s 2017 again and I’m here in Kansas, pushing papers at Fort Leavenworth, those days in the field long gone. Anderson himself survived his tour of duty in Afghanistan, though I’ve no idea where he is today. A better commander might. Several of his buddies were less fortunate. They died, or found themselves short a limb or two, or emotionally and morally scarred for life.

From time to time I can’t help thinking of Anderson, and others like him, alive and dead. In fact, I wear two bracelets on my wrist engraved with the names of the young men who died under my command in Afghanistan and Iraq, six names in all. When I find a moment, I need to add another. It wasn’t too long ago that one of my soldiers took his own life. Sometimes the war doesn’t kill you until years later.

And of this much I’m certain — the moment our nation puts any Anderson in harm’s way, thousands of miles and light years from Kansas, there had better be a damn good reason for it, a vital, tangible national interest at stake. At the very least, this country better be on the right side in the conflicts we’re fighting.

The wrong side

It’s long been an article of faith here: the United States is the greatest force for good in the world, the planet’s “indispensable nation.” But what if we’re wrong? After all, as far as I can tell, the view from the Arab or African “street” tells a different story altogether. Americans tend to loathe the judgments of foreigners, but sober strategy demands that once in a while we walk the proverbial mile in the global shoes of others

After all, almost 16 years into the war on terror it should be apparent that something isn’t working. Perhaps it’s time to ask whether the United States is really playing the role of the positive protagonist in a great global drama.

I know what you’re thinking. ISIS, the Islamic State, is a truly awful outfit. And so it is and the United States is indeed combating it, though various allies and even adversaries — think Iran — are doing most of the fighting. Still, with the broader war for the Greater Middle East in mind, wouldn’t it be appropriate to stop for a moment and ask: Just whose side is America really on?

Certainly, it’s not the side of the average Arab. That should be apparent. Take a good, hard look at the region and it’s obvious that Washington mainly supports the interests of Israel, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Egypt’s military dictator and various Gulf State autocracies. Or consider the actions and statements of the Trump administration and of the two administrations that preceded it and here’s what seems obvious.

The United States is in many ways little more than an air force, military trainer and weapons depot for assorted Sunni despots. Now, that’s not a point made too often — not in this context anyway — because it’s neither a comfortable thought for most Americans, nor a particularly convenient reality for establishment policymakers to broadcast, but it’s the truth.

Yes, we do fight ISIS, but it’s hardly that simple. Saudi Arabia, our main regional ally, may portray itself as the leader of a “moderate Sunni block” when it comes to both Iran and terrorism, but the reality is, at best, far grayer than that. The Saudis — with whom Pres. Donald Trump announced a $110-billion arms deal during the first stop on his inaugural foreign trip back in May — have spent the last few decades spreading their intolerant brand of Islam across the region. In the process, they’ve also supported Al Qaeda-linked groups in Syria.

Maybe you’re willing to argue that Al Qaeda spin-offs aren’t ISIS, but don’t forget who brought down those towers in New York. While Trump enjoyed a traditional sword dance with his Saudi hosts — no doubt gratifying his martial tastes — the air forces of the Saudis and their Gulf state allies were bombing Yemeni civilians into the grimmest of situations, including a massive famine and a spreading cholera epidemic amid the ruins of their impoverished country.

So much for the disastrous two-year Saudi war there, which goes by the grimly ironic moniker of Operation Restoring Hope and for which the U.S. military provides midair refueling and advanced munitions as well as intelligence.

If you’re a human rights enthusiast, it’s also worth asking just what kind of states we’re working with here. In Saudi Arabia, women can’t drive automobiles, “sorcery” is a capital offense, and people are beheaded in public. Hooray for American values! And newsflash. Iran’s leaders — whom the Trump administration and its generals are obsessed with demonizing — may be no angels, but the Islamic republic they preside over is a far more democratic country than Saudi Arabia’s absolute monarchy. Imagine Louis XIV in a kufiyah and you’ve just about nailed the nature of Saudi rule.

After Israel, Egypt is the number two recipient of direct U.S. military aid, to the tune of $1.3 billion annually. And that bedrock of liberal values is led by U.S.-trained general Abdul El Sisi, a strongman who seized power in a coup and then, just for good measure, had his army gun down a crowd demonstrating in favor of the deposed democratically elected president. And how did the American beacon of hope respond

Well, Sisi’s still in power. The Egyptian military is once again receiving aid from the Pentagon. And in April, Trump paraded the general around the White House, assuring reporters that “in case there was any doubt, that we are very much behind President El Sisi … he’s done a fantastic job!”

In Syria and Iraq, the U.S. military is fighting a loathsome adversary in ISIS, but even so, the situation is far more complicated than usually imagined here. As a start, the U.S. air offensive to support allied Syrian and Kurdish rebels fighting to take ISIS’s “capital,” Raqqa — grimly titled Operation Wrath of the Euphrates — killed more civilians in May and June 2017 than did the Syrian regime of Bashar Al Assad.

In addition, America’s brutal air campaign appears unhinged from any coherent long-term strategy. No one in charge seems to have the faintest clue what exactly will follow ISIS’s rule in eastern Syria. A Kurdish mini-state? A three-way civil war between Kurds, Sunni tribes, and Assad’s forces — with Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s increasingly autocratic Turkey as the wild card in the situation? Which begs the question Are American bombs actually helping?

Similarly, in Iraq it’s not clear that the future rule of Shia-dominated militia groups and others in the rubble left by the last years of grim battle in areas ISIS previously controlled will actually prove measurably superior to the nightmare that preceded them. The present Shia-dominated government might even slip back into the sectarian chauvinism that helped empower ISIS in the first place. That way, the United States can fight its fourth war in Iraq since 1991!

And keep in mind that the war for the Greater Middle East — and I fought in it myself both in Iraq and Afghanistan — is just the latest venture in the depressing annals of Washington’s geo-strategic thinking since Pres. Ronald Reagan’s administration, along with the Saudis and Pakistanis, armed, funded and supported extreme fundamentalist Afghan mujahedeen rebels in a Cold War struggle with the Soviet Union that eventually led to the 9/11 attacks.

His administration also threw money, guns, and training — sometimes illegally — at the brutal Nicaraguan Contras in another Cold War covert conflict in which about 100,000 civilians died.

In those years, the United States also stood by apartheid South Africa — long after the rest of the world shunned that racist state — not even removing Nelson Mandela’s name from its terrorist watch list until 2008! And don’t forget Washington’s support for Jonas Savimbi’s National Movement for the Total Independence of Angola that would contribute to the death of some 500,000 Angolans. And that’s just to begin a list that would roll on and on.

That, of course, is the relatively distant past, but the history of U.S. military action in the 21st century suggests that Washington seems destined to repeat the process of choosing the wrong, or one of the wrong, sides into the foreseeable future. Today’s Middle East is but a single exhibit in a prolonged tour of hypocrisy.

Boundless hypocrisy

Maybe it’s because most Americans just aren’t paying attention or maybe we’re a nation of true believers, but it’s clear that most of us still cling to the idea that our country is a beacon of hope for the planet. Never known for our collective self-awareness, we’re eternally aghast to discover that so many elsewhere find little but insincerity in the promise of U.S. foreign policy

“Why do they hate us,” Americans have asked, with evident disbelief, for much of this century. Here are just a few hints related to the Greater Middle East.

Post-9/11, the United States unleashed chaos in the region, destabilized it in stunning ways, and via an invasion launched on false premises created the conditions for ISIS’s rise. That terror group quite literally formed in an American prison in post-invasion Iraq. Later, with failing or failed states dotting the region, the U.S. response to the worst refugee crisis since World War II has been to admit — to choose but a single devastated country — a paltry 18,000 Syrians since 2011. Canada took in three times that number last year, Sweden more than 50,000 in 2015 alone. Turkey hosts three million displaced Syrians.

Meanwhile, Trump’s attempts to put in place a Muslim travel ban haven’t won this country any friends in the region either. Nor will the president’s — or White House aide Stephen Miller’s — proposed “reform” of U.S. immigration policy, which would prioritize English-speakers, cut in half legal migration within a decade, and limit the ability of citizens and legal residents to sponsor relatives.

How do you think that’s going to play in the global war for hearts and minds? As much as Miller would love to change Emma Lazarus’s inscription on the Statue of Liberty to “give me your well educated, your highly skilled, your English-speaking masses yearning to be free,” count on one thing. World opinion won’t miss the duplicity and hypocrisy of such an approach.

Guantánamo — perhaps the single best Islamist recruiting tool on Earth — is still open. And Trump says we’re “keeping it open … and we’re gonna load it up with some bad dudes, believe me, we’re gonna load it up.” On this, he’s likely to be a man of his word. A new executive order is expected soon, preparing the way for an expansion of that prison’s population, while the Pentagon is already planning to put almost half a billion dollars into the construction of new facilities there in the coming years.

No matter how upset the world gets at any of this, no matter how ISIS and other terror groups use it for their brand of advertising, no American officials will be held to account, because the United States is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court. Hypocritical? Nope, just utterly all-American.

And speaking of prisons, thanks to nearly unqualified — sometimes almost irrational — U.S. support for Israel, Gaza and the West Bank increasingly resemble walled off penal complexes. You almost have to admire President Trump for not even pretending to play the honest broker in the never-ending Israeli-Palestinian conflict. “One state, two state … I like whichever you like,” he told Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The safe money says Netanyahu will choose neither, opting instead to keep the Palestinians in political limbo without civil rights or a sovereign state, while Israel embarks on a settlement bonanza in the occupied territories. And speaking of American exceptionalism, we’re almost alone on the world stage when it comes to our support for the Israeli occupation.

The cost

Given the nature of contemporary American war-fighting — far away and generally lightly covered by the media, which has an endless stream of Trump tweets to fawn over — it’s easy to forget that American troops are still dying in modest numbers in the Greater Middle East, in Syria, Iraq, Somalia and — almost 16 years after the American invasion of that country — Afghanistan.

As for myself, from time to time I can’t help thinking of Anderson and those I led who were so much less fortunate than him. Rios, Hensley, Clark, Hockenberry — a triple amputee — Fuller, Balsley and Smith. Sometimes, when I can bear it, I even think about the war’s countless Afghan victims. And then I wish I could truly believe that we were indisputably the “good guys” in our unending wars across the Greater Middle East because that’s what we owed those soldiers.

And it pains me no less that Americans tend to blindly venerate the Andersons of our world, to put them on such a pedestal, as the president did in his Afghan address to the nation recently, offering them eternal thanks and so making them and their heroism the reason for fighting on, while most of the rest of us don’t waste a moment thinking about what — and whom — they’re truly fighting for.

If ever you have the urge to do just that, ask yourself the following question. Would I be able to confidently explain to someone’s mother what, besides his mates, her child actually died for?

What would you tell her? That he or she died to ensure Saudi hegemony in the Persian Gulf, or to facilitate the rise of ISIS, or an eternal Guantanamo, or the spread of terror groups, or the creation of yet more refugees for us to fear, or the further bombing of Yemen to ensure a famine of epic proportions?

Maybe you could do that, but I couldn’t and can’t. Not anymore, anyway. There have already been too many mothers, too many widows, for whom those explanations couldn’t be lamer. And so many dead — American, Afghan, Iraqi, and all the rest — that eventually I find myself sitting on a bar stool staring at the six names on those bracelets of mine, the wreckage of two wars reflecting back at me, knowing I’ll never be able to articulate a coherent explanation for their loved ones, should I ever have the courage to try.

Fear, guilt, embarrassment … my crosses to bear, as the war Anderson and I fought only expands further and undoubtedly more disastrously. My choices, my shame. No excuses.

Here’s the truth of it, if you just stop to think about America’s wars for a moment. It’s only going to get harder to look a widow or mother in the eye and justify them in the years to come. Maybe a good soldier doesn’t bother to worry about that … but I now know one thing at least. I’m not that.

Maj. Danny Sjursen is a U.S. Army strategist and former history instructor at West Point. He served tours with reconnaissance units in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has written a memoir and critical analysis of the Iraq War, Ghost Riders of Baghdad: Soldiers, Civilians and the Myth of the Surge. He lives with his wife and four sons in Lawrence, Kansas. Follow him on Twitter at @Skeptical_Vet.

The views expressed in this article are those of the author, expressed in an unofficial capacity, and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense or the U.S. government. This story originally appeared at TomDispatch.
 

Vtshooter

Veteran Member
I think the guy makes some valid points, but he lost some credibility with me when he implies the US should take in more refugees, and repeats the liberal mantra about the "muslim ban". The ban is on people from certain -countries-, and it doesn't matter if they are muslim, christian, or krishna.

When I read something in an article that is blatantly false, it makes me question the validity of everything else in the article.

However, I think we are the "bad guys" in some of our involvements. We meddle, uninvited, in other countries too much.
 

bobfall2005

Veteran Member
So when the Egyptian military overthrew the Muslim brotherhood that was bad. EVEN through the mb likely lost the election. The obama admin declared them the winner. And the mb murdered over 10000 Coptic Christians. While they where in power.
The military was the bad guys.
And that 30 million person protest in Cairo, against the mb, was bad. For demanding the military uphold the election results and kick out the mb. And those guys the military killed where not armed and shooting at them. And killed over 400 military. The mb where the good guys. And the 10000 Coptic Christians they butchered where the bad guys.
The last us president was supporting the mb. The current one stopped that policy. Rightly so.
And we'll get back to israel.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
Not just in the Middle East.

American Jackboot Diplomacy

"The latest extraordinary roughshod violation of Russian diplomatic rights by the American authorities shows that the US doesn’t want to restore normal bilateral relations. Indeed, it has now resorted publicly to jackboot diplomacy.

The rapid ordering of Russia to vacate three of its diplomatic properties – in a matter of hours – amid reported threats from the American authorities that they would smash down entrance doors if the orders were not complied with, shows a reckless disregard for Russia’s sovereign rights. Not just Russia’s sovereign rights, but the rights of all nations, as far as America is concerned.

There were also reports that US secret service agents conducted inspections of the properties while Russian officials were deprived access to the building. Such conduct marks not only provocative contempt for Russian authorities, it also raises concerns that US agents were attempting to plant incriminating evidence which might be subsequently «uncovered» by the ongoing probes into alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election last year.

What’s more, the manhandling of Russian diplomatic rights came on the personal orders from President Donald Trump, according to press reports. Previously, Trump had stated his desire to restore normal bilateral relations with Russia. One has to conclude that the latest breach of Russian sovereignty is a blunt sign that American official policy is now fully aligned in an antagonistic agenda toward Moscow.

The collective American amnesia is astounding. The shuttering of the three Russian properties in San Francisco, New York and Washington was presented by the US State Department and US media as a «retaliation» for Russia’s expulsion of some 455 American diplomats in July. Downplayed or omitted in the US media coverage was the fact that Russia expelled those diplomats in response to the Obama administration expropriating three Russian properties and ejecting 35 Russian diplomats back in December 2016. Russia had patiently waited seven months to see if the new Trump administration would do the decent thing and undo the Obama violations. The Trump administration not only did not undo the damage, it went further to impose new trade and political sanctions on Russia.

Thus, Russia had every right to reciprocate with its expulsions in July, which in any case brought the remaining 400 or so US diplomats down to the same number as Russian diplomats residing in the US. Moscow also gave the American side a month to vacate its premises. The Americans gave the Russians 12 hours.

Trump’s latest diplomatic infringement brings the total number of closed Russian properties to six, and marks a dramatic escalation in the dispute. Moscow has said it will respond appropriately.

Relations between the two nations are deteriorating rapidly beyond the already frayed level. But let’s be clear: it is the US side which is responsible for the downward spiral.

Obama’s unprecedented expulsions and expropriations were premised on lurid accusations that the Russian government ordered an interference campaign in the US presidential election. No evidence has yet been provided by the US intelligence agencies to support this sensational and nebulous claim. Yet we are in an extraordinary situation of tit-for-tat diplomatic blows based on unproven American allegations. This is a mockery of legal due process.

Russia has consistently dismissed those accusations, saying that they are motivated by anti-Russian prejudice and US political in-fighting and scapegoating. Ironically, Trump who has lambasted the «Russia collusion» claims as fake news put out by the pro-Democrat news media and intelligence community is now, in effect, jumping on the anti-Russia juggernaut with his latest order of diplomatic seizures. American folly knows no bounds.

The American amnesia is even more problematic. The sanctions against Russia began in 2014 over the Ukraine crisis. That crisis was instigated by American and European interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine and the eventual violent coup against an elected government in Kiev. The US-backed regime that seized power has been attacking the separatist ethnic Russian population of eastern Ukraine for the past three years. Meanwhile the people of Crimea voted in a referendum to join the Russian Federation instead of recognizing the Neo-Nazi Banderite Kiev regime. Yet it is Russia which is sanctioned by the US and its European allies for «destabilizing Ukraine».

The US is showing itself with full inglorious nakedness to be a petulant bully that flouts international law. In short, an utterly shameless rogue regime that is now completely out of control, and doesn’t even care what others think. The latest violation of Russian sovereignty epitomizes the general high-handed attitude of the Americans to international law and the sovereign rights of all nations.

Amazingly, US media made self-justifying speculative comments that the alleged burning of documents inside the Russian consulate in San Francisco was «evidence» of Russian subterfuge and espionage. It is every nation’s sovereign right under international law to be afforded privacy for its diplomats. Instead of insinuating Russian wrongdoing, the proper, more disturbing, perspective should be that America has so little respect for international law that other nations no longer trust the US to abide by diplomatic legal standards.

The violation of Russian rights is consistent with the US violation of Ukraine which is in turn consistent with American violation of Syria, Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Venezuela, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan, to mention just a few other recent cases.

On North Korea, what gives the US the legal and moral authority to declare that diplomacy does not work, or that negotiations might only be permitted if stringent preconditions are met by Pyongyang? How is that the US arrogates the «right» to threaten war on North Korea (as well as Iran and Venezuela and others) while glibly ruling out the obligation to hold equal dialogue and comply with diplomatic protocols? This is the behavior and mindset of a tyrant. A fascist state.

The latest manhandling of Russian sovereign rights is a stark milestone in the degeneration of the United States. It is abandoning any pretense at civil diplomacy.

Jackboot diplomacy is the corollary of US wars of aggression, mass murder, mass torture, and the systematic destruction of international law. All with the narcissistic smile of smug self-righteousness."

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/09/no_author/jackboot-diplomacy/
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The United States throughout the 20th and now in the 21st century….. as a result of a governing process that prizes the free expression of the individual and releasing the imaginative powers of the human mind has resulted in a economic and technical miracle among countries in the whole of human history...

.....in no other country in such a short of time in human history has life expectancy been extended, diseases cured, and comforts enjoyed.
We experience every day comforts only dreamed of just a few centuries before by kings and queens.

At the same time the engine of creativity that has driven this economic and technical marvel of our country has also displayed its massive destructive and manipulative powers amongst its own citizens and the world at large.

It is a difficult situation we find ourselves in today with the responsibility of God like powers residing in mortal minds......and how to manage what we have created while still maintaining credibility and respect to each other and the world at large.

Point of case.........our economy has grown to such incredible widespread heights as a result of the industrial and latter technological revolution that we now consume 50% of the all worlds refined oil as gasoline yet only comprise 5% of the world’s population.

That's a difficult statement to digest if we are continue to grow our economic base and the economic base of the developing world in the model we've created.

Short of finding another energy solution I can't imagine our using such a source to continue this model.......

Will technology find the solution for us in time.... before we outstrip or own economic model?

Does this model comprise our ability to deal with the rest of the world where those sources may be?

Do these economic realities play into any geopolitical strategies that we are implementing in the Middle East today?.............or perhaps in the future in the Arctic Ocean as outlined in 60 Minutes on TV last night?

This are questions worthy of contemplating that keep me up at night sometimes that I always welcome any other ideas or input from others..
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
US policy should be very simple. Other than immediate response to attack - If any situation requires committing US troops to combat, it should also require Congress to formally Declare War. If Congress does not want to do that, and yet they & the President want to commit troops, then hand each of them a M-16 & all the ammo they can carry, fly them to the area they want to fight, dump them out, and say " Go get em tigers " !!!

If the situation does not warrant a Declaration of War, then it does not warrant putting my son, your son, or ANY American lives at risk !!!

:ld:
 
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Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I'm glad to see this thread.

here we sit -16 YEARS out from 9-11. an obvious LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) event. fomented and now perpetuated by the neocon globalist scum that have usurped the might and power of the US military for the benefit of the multinational global corporations and their owners - the rich men of the earth. we continue to wage resource wars around the planet - depleting the wealth of our nation in the fashion of the old Roman Empire, knowingly and WILLINGLY, permanently maiming and scaring many of our young and making debt slaves of our future generations, all the while raping and pillaging the planet and many of it's peoples for the purpose of worshiping ameriKKa's biggest idol -

GREED

although it's almost too incredible to believe we've been permitted to continue this misadventure for nearly 16 years, what's completely UNbelievable is that you can STILL find people unwilling to take an HONEST look at the events of 9-11 and who consider the FACT of our unbridled hegemony as RIGHTEOUS.

I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion with some here - and to those I say "flame away". I fully believe that history will record the "inconvenient truth" of it with the crystal clarity of 20-20 hindsight.

that we 'murKKins have permitted our bought and paid for politicians to get away with this in our collective name is amazing . . . but what's STARTLING is that the most high GOD has YET to judge us for it.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
The United States throughout the 20th and now in the 21st century….. as a result of a governing process that prizes the free expression of the individual and releasing the imaginative powers of the human mind has resulted in a economic and technical miracle among countries in the whole of human history...

.....in no other country in such a short of time in human history has life expectancy been extended, diseases cured, and comforts enjoyed.
We experience every day comforts only dreamed of just a few centuries before by kings and queens.

At the same time the engine of creativity that has driven this economic and technical marvel of our country has also displayed its massive destructive and manipulative powers amongst its own citizens and the world at large.

It is a difficult situation we find ourselves in today with the responsibility of God like powers residing in mortal minds......and how to manage what we have created while still maintaining credibility and respect to each other and the world at large.

Point of case.........our economy has grown to such incredible widespread heights as a result of the industrial and latter technological revolution that we now consume 50% of the all worlds refined oil as gasoline yet only comprise 5% of the world’s population.

That's a difficult statement to digest if we are continue to grow our economic base and the economic base of the developing world in the model we've created.

Short of finding another energy solution I can't imagine our using such a source to continue this model.......

Will technology find the solution for us in time.... before we outstrip or own economic model?

Does this model comprise our ability to deal with the rest of the world where those sources may be?

Do these economic realities play into any geopolitical strategies that we are implementing in the Middle East today?.............or perhaps in the future in the Arctic Ocean as outlined in 60 Minutes on TV last night?

This are questions worthy of contemplating that keep me up at night sometimes that I always welcome any other ideas or input from others..

these are excellent points - but should we ALSO not ask ourselves . . .

where would be today IF:

ALL the miracles undoubtedly discovered yet still hoarded by the PTB were released to the public for their use and benefit?

is my tin foil too tight? I SERIOUSLY doubt it.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
The more things change the more they say the same. This company commander's musings aren't all that different from General Smedley Butler who wrote pretty much about the same things 85 years ago in his 'War is a racket' tome.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
_______________
I only read the first few paragraphs. The US has been the bad guy in the ME since oil was discovered there. We have meddled in their affairs for 100 years.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
just another ex-military hack that has a gripe & bitch against the Trump Generals - just notice when he started his public bitching - AFTER Obammy was gone and Hellery didn't win ....
 
The only way I can justify it in my mind looking back on the carnage, waste of treasure, etc. is that oil is the lifeblood of our economy. If we had not been there churning around for years, who would have taken our place? Power does abhor a vacuum, and more than likely Russia would have had a stranglehold on that region, being that it is their near abroad.

Frankly, in hindsight, instead of jumping on Afghanistan and Iraq we should have gone after Iran. They had 9/11 connections, just like Iraq did. And they certainly had WMDs at that time, like they do now. Crazy Sadaam, by going after Kuwait early on in this game, before 9/11, fatally set us upon the wrong warpath.

Of course, in the ideal world, it would have been best to have washed our hands of the MidEast. But that is what worshipping at the altar of Globalism will do for you. Fortress America with a border wall, secure borders, limited immigration, etc. would have been far preferable.

Now we are broke, shattered, and divided, waiting for economic collapse and the onset of Civil War II.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
these are excellent points - but should we ALSO not ask ourselves . . .

where would be today IF:

ALL the miracles undoubtedly discovered yet still hoarded by the PTB were released to the public for their use and benefit?

is my tin foil too tight? I SERIOUSLY doubt it.

Your comment is well taken but consider in the past how many new innovations where not held back by the PTBs but changed the world and obsoleted whole industries before them..........no matter what is being held from us (if that is the case) someone within the PTB would see it as an opportunity to generate revenue and bring it to light............look what the car did to the horse and buggy industry............what electric light did to the kerosene industry.......nobody held those back despite the huge industries that existed prior to those inventions.

I could be wrong but I would need some really compelling evidence to convince me a solution exists that is being covered up for and by the power of a few.......after all Ben Franklin said if you want to keep a secret between 3 people then 2 of them have to be dead........
 

pinkelsteinsmom

Veteran Member
I'm glad to see this thread.

here we sit -16 YEARS out from 9-11. an obvious LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) event. fomented and now perpetuated by the neocon globalist scum that have usurped the might and power of the US military for the benefit of the multinational global corporations and their owners - the rich men of the earth. we continue to wage resource wars around the planet - depleting the wealth of our nation in the fashion of the old Roman Empire, knowingly and WILLINGLY, permanently maiming and scaring many of our young and making debt slaves of our future generations, all the while raping and pillaging the planet and many of it's peoples for the purpose of worshiping ameriKKa's biggest idol -

GREED

although it's almost too incredible to believe we've been permitted to continue this misadventure for nearly 16 years, what's completely UNbelievable is that you can STILL find people unwilling to take an HONEST look at the events of 9-11 and who consider the FACT of our unbridled hegemony as RIGHTEOUS.

I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion with some here - and to those I say "flame away". I fully believe that history will record the "inconvenient truth" of it with the crystal clarity of 20-20 hindsight.

that we 'murKKins have permitted our bought and paid for politicians to get away with this in our collective name is amazing . . . but what's STARTLING is that the most high GOD has YET to judge us for it.

Agree 100%.. God is slow to wrath, but I assure you it is coming.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I'm glad to see this thread.

here we sit -16 YEARS out from 9-11. an obvious LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) event. fomented and now perpetuated by the neocon globalist scum that have usurped the might and power of the US military for the benefit of the multinational global corporations and their owners - the rich men of the earth. we continue to wage resource wars around the planet - depleting the wealth of our nation in the fashion of the old Roman Empire, knowingly and WILLINGLY, permanently maiming and scaring many of our young and making debt slaves of our future generations, all the while raping and pillaging the planet and many of it's peoples for the purpose of worshiping ameriKKa's biggest idol -

GREED

although it's almost too incredible to believe we've been permitted to continue this misadventure for nearly 16 years, what's completely UNbelievable is that you can STILL find people unwilling to take an HONEST look at the events of 9-11 and who consider the FACT of our unbridled hegemony as RIGHTEOUS.

I'm sure this is going to be an unpopular opinion with some here - and to those I say "flame away". I fully believe that history will record the "inconvenient truth" of it with the crystal clarity of 20-20 hindsight.

that we 'murKKins have permitted our bought and paid for politicians to get away with this in our collective name is amazing . . . but what's STARTLING is that the most high GOD has YET to judge us for it.
Agreed. I also agree with the original article for the most part.

We all know the vast majority of this angle is dead on. Our blood and treasure to fill the pockets and safes of an elite group who choose to make their fortunes on the back of the pawns. It's disgusting, and the day of reckoning by thee Almighty God is upon us. For this I am glad, and very concerned for the lost sheep of this world. Sad to consider the destruction that is upon us, fully warranted mind you. Much has been brought forward here, and I agree whole heartedly with the framework brought forth. Our government, is not our government. THey have managed to corrupt our leadership, and in this process circumvent the will of the people.

Watch out for the dynamics of patriotism to be used as we jump in over our head in the world war that is being fomented.
 

Sooth

Veteran Member
US Army Major Danny Sjursen, strategist and former history instructor at West Point appears to now be stationed at Ft Leavenworth, KS where various Advanced Courses are taught to company and field grade officers. I do understand and do sympathize with his position. He will continue to draw a check from the US Army and will continue to follow the orders of the current Commander In Chief, President Donald J. Trump until he hits his 20 year mark and retires. He will then continue to receive a check from the US Army, albeit the Retired Pay section.

I do understand. Tough position. Wife and four kids. Same position, different war, Vietnam, wife and three kids. Rationalize and hate it to the end.

We should pull the troops out from most places around the world. Bring them home. If it is so damned important, let Congress do its duty and Declare War. Congress has abrogated its responsibilities thinking it will not be held responsible. Congress has set up an Imperial Presidency allowing, no demanding, that the President alone dispatch Army, Air, and Navy to bring death and destruction on “our enemies”. Our enemies.

Who funded 9/11? Who planned 9/11? Which nationality mostly manned the aircraft hijacked and used for 9/11? Saudi Arabia. And we attacked and occupy, uh, Afghanistan. And send billions to Saudi Arabia. And among the first visits our newly minted Presidents, Obama and Trump make? Saudi Arabia. Why is that?

We don’t need a drop of their damned oil. Just as we did not need anything in Vietnam.

Sooth
US Army, Retired
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKnF1HEUwuo
Michael Rivero
All Wars Are Bankers' Wars R/T 43:33
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There is a written version with numerous quotes, illustrations etc at

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerwars.php/#axzz4sQgNrPcF

Here is a small sample for those who prefer not to burn bandwidth on videos:

"The most hated sort [of moneymaking], and with the greatest reason, is usury, which makes a gain out of money itself, and not from the natural use of it. For money was intended to be used in exchange, but not to increase at interest. And this term usury which means the birth of money from money, is applied to the breeding of money, because the offspring resembles the parent. Wherefore of all modes of making money this is the most unnatural." -- Aristotle (384-322 BCE)

"The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this world would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of the Bankers and pay for the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." -- Sir Josiah Stamp, President of the Bank of England in the 1920s, the second richest man in Britain

"The Bank, its property and assets and all deposits and other funds entrusted to it shall be immune in time of peace and in time of war from any measure such as expropriation, requisition, seizure, confiscation, prohibition or restriction of gold or currency export or import, and any other measure." -- Article 10, Instrument of Foundation, Bank of International Settlements

"When the world around the IMF goes downhill, we thrive. We become extremely active because we lend money, we earn interest and charges and all the rest of it, and the institution does well. When the world goes well and we've had years of growth, as was the case back in 2006 and 2007, the IMF doesn't do so well both financially and otherwise." -- Christine Lagarde

I know many people have a great deal of difficulty comprehending just how many wars are started for no other purpose than to force private central banks onto nations, so let me share a few examples, so that you understand why the US Government is mired in so many wars against so many foreign nations. There is ample precedent for this.

The United States fought the American Revolution primarily over King George III's Currency act, which forced the colonists to conduct their business only using printed bank notes borrowed from the Bank of England at interest.

Benjamin Franklin, acting as the colonies' representative to Britain, argued against this move in 1763.

"You see, a legitimate government can both spend and lend money into circulation, while banks can only lend significant amounts of their promissory bank notes, for they can neither give away nor spend but a tiny fraction of the money the people need. Thus, when your bankers here in England place money in circulation, there is always a debt principal to be returned and usury to be paid. The result is that you have always too little credit in circulation to give the workers full employment. You do not have too many workers, you have too little money in circulation, and that [money] which circulates all bears the endless burden of unpayable debt and usury.....In the Colonies, we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip [interest-free, wealth-based money issued by The Colonies 1750-1764 before Bank of England crooks made it illegal]. We issue it in proper proportion to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one."

The following year, King George III passed the Currency act which outlawed all forms of money in the colonies, forcing them to conduct all commerce using bank notes borrowed at interest from the Bank of England!

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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
America's Most Decorated Soldier Exposes the Real Truth About the U.S. Military (2000) 1:10:11
Col. Hackworth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXtHRIJ24b0

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Hackworth joined the U.S. Merchant Marine at age 14, towards the end of World War II, when teenagers routinely entered the armed services before their 18th birthday by lying about their age. About the book: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/038...

After the war, he lied again to enlist in the United States Army. He was assigned as a rifleman to the 351st Infantry Regiment, 88th Infantry Division, and stationed on occupation duty in Trieste. His unit, part of TRUST (Trieste United States Troops), at times served under British command, and his duty as a private gave him many of the lessons that he would later draw on as a non-commissioned officer and a commissioned officer, including his belief that U.S. units should never be placed under operational control of foreign militaries. It was under Sergeant Steve Prazenka that Hackworth learned the value of hard training and the quest for perfection. In the Korean War he became a sergeant, volunteering again to serve.

Hackworth fought in Korea with the 25th Reconnaissance Company, the 8th Rangers, and finally the 27th Infantry (Wolfhound) Regiment of the 25th Infantry Division. He gained a battlefield commission as a lieutenant and was awarded several medals for valor, and several Purple Hearts for wounds. After a successful raid on Hill 1062 and battlefield promotion to first lieutenant, the commander of the 27th Infantry Regiment offered Hackworth command of a new volunteer raider unit. Hackworth created the 27th Wolfhound Raiders and led them from August to November 1951. He subsequently volunteered for a second tour in Korea, this time with the 40th Infantry Division. Hackworth was promoted to the rank of captain.

Demobilized after the Armistice Agreement in Korea, Hackworth became bored with civilian life after two years of college and reentered the U.S. Army in 1956 as a captain.

When Hackworth returned to active duty, the expanding "Cold War" substantially changed the structure of the Army from what he had known. Initially posted to 77th Antiaircraft Artillery Battalion in Manhattan Beach, California, Hackworth was eventually assigned to Germany, initially in staff roles but returning to infantry in the early 1960s as an Infantry company commander under Colonel Glover S. Johns, and learned a great deal of the skills that were needed to be an effective officer from this veteran. He was involved in a number of fire drills around the Berlin Crisis of 1961, and his exploits at the time were rivaled only by the loyalty of his troops and the growth in his leadership skills and style. He recounted his experiences with the Russian guard and his views on military history in his book About Face.

After attending college in several locations, in 1964 Hackworth graduated from Austin Peay State University with a bachelor of science degree in history, after which he attended the Command and General Staff College.

When President Kennedy announced that a large advisory team was being sent to South Vietnam, Hackworth immediately volunteered for service. His request was denied, on the grounds that he had "too much" combat experience for the mission.

In 1965, he deployed to Vietnam as a major. He served as an operations officer and battalion commander in the 101st Airborne Division. He quickly developed a reputation as an eccentric but effective soldier, becoming a public figure in several books authored by General S. L. A. "Slam" Marshall. Following a stateside tour at the Pentagon and promotion to lieutenant colonel, Hackworth co-wrote "The Vietnam Primer" with Marshall after returning to Vietnam in the winter of 1966–67 on an army-sponsored tour with the famous historian and commentator. The book adopted some of the same tactics as Mao Zedong and Che Guevara and the Viet Cong in fighting guerrillas. Hackworth described the strategy as "out-G-ing the G." His personal and professional relationship with Marshall soured as Hackworth became suspicious of his methods and motivation.

However, both his assignment with "Slam" Marshall and his time on staff duty at the Pentagon soured Hackworth on the Vietnam War. One aspect of the latter required him to publicly defend the U.S. position on the war in a speaking tour. Even with his reservations concerning the conflict, he refused to resign, feeling it was his duty as a field grade officer to wage the campaign as best he could.

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Why the Vietnam War Was Lost: A Stunning Indictment of the Pentagon from an American Soldi 1:27:31
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CSPAN interview 4/26/89

Colonel David Haskell Hackworth (November 11, 1930 -- May 4, 2005), also known as Hack, was a highly decorated soldier, having received 24 decorations .
 
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