I agree. I had Royal Palms in FL and had no problem with them at all.
As far as what % people spend on food, I read that for ebt you are expected to pay 30% of your food bill yourself, they supplement the rest.
ECON What Will You Do When Inflation Forces US Households To Spend 40% Of Their Incomes On Food?
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As far as what % people spend on food, I read that for ebt you are expected to pay 30% of your food bill yourself, they supplement the rest.
Tristan
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They've been conditioned to believe that it's someone else's responsibility to feed them.
And, house them.
and...
well, ya'll get the picture.
Profit of Doom
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What’s the calorie count?
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Wasn’t it Popeyes chicken sandwiches?
20Gauge
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The popeye got a cartoon..... forget which one....
MCD and nuggets is just someone jumping into a drive thru window.
I raise, breed and train Britts, and I'm getting them used to chickens right now.
Is this dog a bird dog or pet? If its a bird dog or aspiring bird dog the methods will be different.
If not a bird dog place chickens in a cage in the dogs yard, when the dogs wants the chicken stimulate it on the ecoller and give it a stern "no" command.. If it looks at the chicken, stimulate
Soon, it'll ignore the chicken in the yard, give this days at intervals.
Let chicken out and if dog doesn't do everything it can to avoid the chicken, stimulate it.
This of course would be very bad for a bird dog you want to hunt..but its the easiest way. Chickens are bad!
If this is a bird dog its much more complicated but the dog must be trained well to effectively chicken proof it, but most importantly you must have a lot of "good birds"
My two britts ignore the chickens, all I had to do was say "no" as they pointed the chickens the first time they seen them, then I rolled the chicken tractor near their kennel, if they looked they got a "no" then I let the pigeons free fly, they're so busy worrying about the pigeons who they know is a "good bird" they could GAS about the chickens.
Now they don't even check out the chicken tractor as they go looking for good birds, and I didn't even use an ecollar.
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John Deere Girl
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I raised them and babied them, they followed me like puppies , and they were very sweet until they weren't. Geese gone wild lol! I gave them away.
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SouthernBreeze
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Every 2 weeks, I withdraw $500 from our checking account. That is my budget amount. I spend around $300 of that on food for 2 weeks to replace what I've used out of my pantry. I buy added food for storage if I find some good sales on food items I use on a regular basis. What usually runs the price up is the cost of meat. I buy pork chops, chicken breasts, and ground beef for 2 weeks, and add more if the prices are right, or are on sale, and I have room in my freezers. Then, at TSC, I spend another $100 on dog and cat food, plus treats for our dog for 2 weeks. I also either go to Sam's, or order from them online another $50 to $100 worth of TP, dish wash, laundry detergent, coffee, cases of canned veggies, etc, or whatever I need to buy at that time. This all adds up to count for my grocery bill. Sometimes, I have money left, and sometimes, I don't out of that $500. Usually, I have maybe $40 left. That goes into my personal spending fund. My system works well for us. We don't go without. But.....If prices continue to go up, which they will, I can't increase my budget amount, without it hurting what we put into savings each month.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
I imagine Most people will either learn to COOK FROM SCRATCH,
Stop buying fancy organic
Stop buying deli-premade foods
Stop buying partially premade "kit" foods
Stop fast food eating out ,
Be happy to even be able to afford carrots, rice. cabbage, onions, potatoes, corn meal, flour. Salt, dry beans, lard, and ANY kind of protein, even offal (heart, liver. Tripe, tongue. Tail, kidneys) or carp or other trash fish, and rarely, a couple-3 times a month a chicken.
Our life will quickly change from LIVE TO EAT to. Eat (most anything edible) to LIVE!
Stop buying fancy organic
Stop buying deli-premade foods
Stop buying partially premade "kit" foods
Stop fast food eating out ,
Be happy to even be able to afford carrots, rice. cabbage, onions, potatoes, corn meal, flour. Salt, dry beans, lard, and ANY kind of protein, even offal (heart, liver. Tripe, tongue. Tail, kidneys) or carp or other trash fish, and rarely, a couple-3 times a month a chicken.
Our life will quickly change from LIVE TO EAT to. Eat (most anything edible) to LIVE!
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Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Emulate the North Koreans.
Grass and tree bark
Grass and tree bark
Old Gray Mare
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Plenty of deer in central PA and a lot of them have CWD.
Jubilee on Earth
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That’s about what I spend too. It used to be about $800 a month, but package sizes are getting smaller, so I have to buy two of the things that I used to buy one of.
20Gauge
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Only at we are "Going Green" parties.
20Gauge
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I never understood if that made them unedible or you have to stay away from parts of the deer.
ainitfunny
Saved, to glorify God.
That is just a smart ass ignorant remark. You tell is what you know about those being " any kind of food sources".
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
It will be a forced diet that does not end.
Retail of beef products is way out of sync with actual cost by the rancher and feed lots.
Greed has taken over the food industry and America.
Buy now and keep buying while food is available including feed for your animals and pets.
Once the prices go up, the prices will not come down.
Texican....
Marseydoats
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We almost moved to Miss. 40 years ago when my then, husband, got offered a job on an oil rig. Even then, I couldn't believe how expensive groceries were compared to home (I'm in mid South)
I spend about $650 a month, but we have our own beef. I only buy chicken and pork, that I get from a local farm, and it is seriously expensive. I can't eat meat from the store, too many chemicals and additives. We usually have a cow in milk, so no dairy either, but I gave up the cows 2 years ago because they wouldn't stay at home and I couldn't find an AI person. I really need to get 2 milk cows and get back into dairy, but I don't think I am going to survive getting my fences re-done. And one of my friends tallied everything out and figured out that producing milk cost her $11 a gallon and she only pays $70 a TON for alfalfa. I pay $23 for a 90 pound bale...
Henry Bowman
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Thanks Cary, Perhaps you misunderstood me or I was not clear. Probably the latter.
I now HAVE a Brittany, and yes he is a Bird dog with a HUGE hunt drive.
I was asking if anyone with chickens who had a bird or hunting dog and how they handled it.
As an example, a neighbor down the road a bit has chickens and they free range , sometime they take a walk up to my property and go about their business. The Dog ( Name Jaeger ) will go on full point and not budge ( as he is trained to on GAME birds) until I shoot or "Release" him.
the last time it happened he held point for 10 minutes LOL ....It drives him nuts.
I replied to CaryC above but meant to add your quote too.
Now that we've clarified you have a bird dog and not a pet, you can still chicken proof the dog.
But you need good birds, it'll learn the difference.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
Ok, thats what I was asking ...Thank you....Yes he is a 2.5 year old bird dog but also a pet...fully trained ...his hunt drive is astounding and we have had 2 great seasons so far.
I will keep your advice in mind....BTW, those are 2 beauties .
Thanks for the advice! I might PM you for some more if ok ?
Border Collie Dad
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Kiss my big red rosy butt
20Gauge
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He is correct. It won't last long. Unlike the rest of the world, we are able to express ourselves in a manner that scares the piss out of them.
Granted in this case, I expect a collapse pretty quickly.
John Deere Girl
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No way would I eat any part of an animal with CWD.
von Koehler
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What I thought was particularly unjust to seniors is the constantly rising property taxes on their homes. Most can't work anymore and are on fixed incomes, so paying taxes becomes the chief worry along with medical bills. Food is one of few places they can cut back.
Old Gray Mare
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It is a prion disease. It concentrates in the nerves of the brain and spinal cord, but remember there are nerves throughout the carcass. In PA the state would test the Deer's brain for $12.00. Don't know if they still do and it's not a guarantee.
I keep close track of my spending in all categories. Food includes paper products and a few personal and cleaning supplies. In 2017 my average for food was $93.69 per month; 2018 -- $97.43; 2019 -- $98.03; 2020 $113.38; first quarter of 2021 -- $142.06. My over budget amount was primarily an online purchase of long term storage items totaling $162.38 paid from the $600 stimulus.
Since January of 2018 my budget for food has been $110 per month so you can see I don't have much wiggle room . I always do a quarterly average to see where I need to make adjustments. An annual budget set in January is good, but nothing stays static so adjustments need to be made at least quarterly. As far as lights and gas just last month my bill went up $20 due to increased cost per unit of both gas and electric. Water jumped $30 per month last year which is a permanent increase. Ordinarily when bills go up the increase needs to come from the grocery or miscellaneous budget the only flexible spending categories. With the stimulus checks in 2020 and 2021 I haven't adjusted for increases which will be painfully necessary for 2022.
If you look at the grocery store shelves and look at what people put into their carts, you can understand why they spend so much. The Tightwad Gazette books are excellent reading for changing your way of shopping.
Pay attention to portion sizes because we don't need more than a certain amount of food per day for health. Kids don't need juice or milk more than daily recommended amounts. As kids we were never allowed free reign in the kitchen. I was somewhat freer with my kids but not much. None of us needs soda. As a kid a huge treat was koolaid. Mom would suddenly appear on the porch with a pitcher and glasses for all the kids. The packet calls for a cup of sugar but mom always used only 3/4 cup which I continued with my kids. Use an air popper and corn instead of microwave popcorn for a very inexpensive snack for your family. I had a rule for my kids butter on popcorn and you eat in the kitchen, unbuttered can go elsewhere. If they wanted to watch TV, which of course they did, they took it unbuttered. That same rule can work with little ones and their sippy cups i.e. stay in the kitchen to drink and leave cup there. Bake cookies from scratch and then do not allow unlimited access. Make cupcakes (from mix purchased on sale) for size control and don't bother frosting. If the cake is in a pan, cut it yourself into 12 pieces otherwise family will cut themselves way more than one serving. Encourage everyone to drink lots of water -- from the tap not bottled. My niece had a snack cupboard and her kids were allowed to pick one snack at "snack time". While she used purchased pre-wrapped items it would be easy enough to do that with homemade stuff. In other words she taught her kids they weren't allowed to graze on food constantly but were allowed treats regularly.
Since January of 2018 my budget for food has been $110 per month so you can see I don't have much wiggle room . I always do a quarterly average to see where I need to make adjustments. An annual budget set in January is good, but nothing stays static so adjustments need to be made at least quarterly. As far as lights and gas just last month my bill went up $20 due to increased cost per unit of both gas and electric. Water jumped $30 per month last year which is a permanent increase. Ordinarily when bills go up the increase needs to come from the grocery or miscellaneous budget the only flexible spending categories. With the stimulus checks in 2020 and 2021 I haven't adjusted for increases which will be painfully necessary for 2022.
If you look at the grocery store shelves and look at what people put into their carts, you can understand why they spend so much. The Tightwad Gazette books are excellent reading for changing your way of shopping.
Pay attention to portion sizes because we don't need more than a certain amount of food per day for health. Kids don't need juice or milk more than daily recommended amounts. As kids we were never allowed free reign in the kitchen. I was somewhat freer with my kids but not much. None of us needs soda. As a kid a huge treat was koolaid. Mom would suddenly appear on the porch with a pitcher and glasses for all the kids. The packet calls for a cup of sugar but mom always used only 3/4 cup which I continued with my kids. Use an air popper and corn instead of microwave popcorn for a very inexpensive snack for your family. I had a rule for my kids butter on popcorn and you eat in the kitchen, unbuttered can go elsewhere. If they wanted to watch TV, which of course they did, they took it unbuttered. That same rule can work with little ones and their sippy cups i.e. stay in the kitchen to drink and leave cup there. Bake cookies from scratch and then do not allow unlimited access. Make cupcakes (from mix purchased on sale) for size control and don't bother frosting. If the cake is in a pan, cut it yourself into 12 pieces otherwise family will cut themselves way more than one serving. Encourage everyone to drink lots of water -- from the tap not bottled. My niece had a snack cupboard and her kids were allowed to pick one snack at "snack time". While she used purchased pre-wrapped items it would be easy enough to do that with homemade stuff. In other words she taught her kids they weren't allowed to graze on food constantly but were allowed treats regularly.
Marseydoats
Veteran Member
My millennial niece had never seen an actual popcorn popper before she visited. I have 2. She even agreed with me that it was better than microwave popcorn which I can't have because it gives me asthma.
Straight line financial analysis and stories like this are for headlines. All prices have a certain amount of elasticity. As prices increase some stuff is no longer purchased by some, purchased less often or in smaller amounts or substitutions are made.
As food prices rise people adjust their habits. If you eat out you are already seeing both rising prices And smaller portions. The 12 oz steak becomes the 9 then the 8 and then it becomes a chicken breast.
As prices rise people cut back on eating out and cooking at home returns. As prices rise at the grocery the dinner menu adepts. Meat and potato’s become chicken and veggies or pasta and salad.
People adept its what we do.
When the bill comes due, it comes due. We know we were living on borrowed money and borrowed time, we just didn’t want to think about consequences. You know consequences, like we used to teach our children. Only now the consequences are both country wide and world wide.
We thought the rules of life and gravity itself didn’t apply to us because we were soooo much smarter than our parents and grand parents. You know those ‘idiots’ who only survived the great depression and fought off fascism. We think we are so smart we are allowing fascism to take over in the name of being able to continue to post fakebook and send mindless tweets. We are a bunch of morons and deserve the hell that is coming.
Might want to stock up the ole pantry, just saying ain’t nothing going to cost less except the wages of the working man.
As food prices rise people adjust their habits. If you eat out you are already seeing both rising prices And smaller portions. The 12 oz steak becomes the 9 then the 8 and then it becomes a chicken breast.
As prices rise people cut back on eating out and cooking at home returns. As prices rise at the grocery the dinner menu adepts. Meat and potato’s become chicken and veggies or pasta and salad.
People adept its what we do.
When the bill comes due, it comes due. We know we were living on borrowed money and borrowed time, we just didn’t want to think about consequences. You know consequences, like we used to teach our children. Only now the consequences are both country wide and world wide.
We thought the rules of life and gravity itself didn’t apply to us because we were soooo much smarter than our parents and grand parents. You know those ‘idiots’ who only survived the great depression and fought off fascism. We think we are so smart we are allowing fascism to take over in the name of being able to continue to post fakebook and send mindless tweets. We are a bunch of morons and deserve the hell that is coming.
Might want to stock up the ole pantry, just saying ain’t nothing going to cost less except the wages of the working man.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
The poorest will be fine.
They already have access to ever increasing food stamp and food programs.
My wife works for a local social service agency in food.
You wouldn't believe hoe many food programs they administer.
Those of us just above the guidelines are the ones that will be affected first and the most
They already have access to ever increasing food stamp and food programs.
My wife works for a local social service agency in food.
You wouldn't believe hoe many food programs they administer.
Those of us just above the guidelines are the ones that will be affected first and the most
Redcat
Veteran Member
I spend $400 a month tops for everything. For two adults and 1 teenage grandson who is here most days.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Just got back from Fareway, spent $126!!! 
I did however get a two pounds of chicken legs for $0.88 a pound and some huge shrimps for $9.99 a pound so there was that, and the price of fresh produce "OMG". And wouldn't you know it, I forgot to buy eggs once again, but I did get a really nice looking red cabbage for $1.69 a pound. And someone has never had fried shallot pancakes so I bought some green onions to make some of those to go with the shrimps and homemade sauce, he's going to be in for a real treat.
I did however get a two pounds of chicken legs for $0.88 a pound and some huge shrimps for $9.99 a pound so there was that, and the price of fresh produce "OMG". And wouldn't you know it, I forgot to buy eggs once again, but I did get a really nice looking red cabbage for $1.69 a pound. And someone has never had fried shallot pancakes so I bought some green onions to make some of those to go with the shrimps and homemade sauce, he's going to be in for a real treat.
West
Senior
Maybe buy a good still and cracked corn and lots of sugar?
This year was going to be a bumper crop for our orchard, we was even worried about to much fruit on two of the apple trees. The plums, pears, cherry, peach and apricot trees all lost their small immature fruits last week in a freak hail storm. We also had some root crops but their coming back. Suspect the pees are done, as well as a tomato and some pepper plants.
Oh well, it's not to late to restarting the garden, but our fruit trees, don't see them producing anything this year. Quarter size hail flailing in 50mph winds, strips most everything away.
This year was going to be a bumper crop for our orchard, we was even worried about to much fruit on two of the apple trees. The plums, pears, cherry, peach and apricot trees all lost their small immature fruits last week in a freak hail storm. We also had some root crops but their coming back. Suspect the pees are done, as well as a tomato and some pepper plants.
Oh well, it's not to late to restarting the garden, but our fruit trees, don't see them producing anything this year. Quarter size hail flailing in 50mph winds, strips most everything away.
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db cooper
Resident Secret Squirrel
That's why we just love country living. The farther away from a major city is the absolute best guarantee to be left alone.
I mentioned deer in my last post here, what I did not mention was wheat farmers and their storage bins all over the place. As a kid I learned to eat raw wheat kernels right off the plant. Once you get used to it, it's really good and become habit forming. The point being, eating raw wheat sure beats eating tree bark or zoo animals like city folks will be doing.
I can also imagine just about any hard grain could be cooked in water to make sort of cereal. One just needs to be innovative, with such country folks can weather just about any political storm where city people would be killing each other for a rat or cockroach to eat.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
rob0126
Veteran Member
coffee beans and a handcrank grinder would be ideal.
They make a cream for that, and if your red rose is beyond creams they have lasers...