EBOLA What the HELL is going on?
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kemosabe
Doooooooooom !
I just seriously cannot believe that this man is being allowed to do ALL that he has thus far since being in office, and continues to keep doing to systematically DESTROY this country ......
WHEN THE HELL , are our military leaders going to DO SOMETHING !?
The way things are normal citizens have absolutely NO RECOURSE or way of doing anything but bitching and complaining....
NEVER in my whole life or reading about the history of this country have I ever seen such unlawfullness, and disregard for the citizens he was elected to protect and serve... Do we really have to let this happen and things continue it's course? I feel so helpless..... We ALL need to seriously pray like we have never prayed before, for God to open the eyes and guide our military leaders into doing the right thing and getting this mess under control...
I am at a loss for words..
Do we have any PROOF of these supposedly "expedited visas" other than Internet hear-say? I have seen a few people state this as fact but never with a link to anything approaching legitimacy. I just may have missed it.
My bet is that there is going to be enough pressure, especially if we get anymore infections out of the Duncan case or especially if another Duncan (traveling from West Africa) happens somewhere in the US, that they end up going with banning travel from those countries rather than expediting any visas. Banning travel has gone from being totally "off the table" to now being "on the table" as a possible option.
Shane:
Those are all valid possibilities and yes they would skew the numbers some. But you can't put the cart before the horse. You cannot project anything, including a different infection rate, until you have the baseline evidence of the initial infection and the first month of subsequent infections and then preferably 2-3 months of subsequent data to establish the trend-line.
And you know my mantra...it is all about POSSIBILITIES vs. PROBABILITIES.
And while the possibilities are interesting to discuss, the probability is that it will indeed continue to act pretty much like it always has. For example, you will be hard-pressed to find ANY research on ANY disease where we have actually observed that it mutated and changed its method of transmission from primarily "direct contact with bodily fluids" to true airborne (beyond the aerosol droplets). It's a possibility but not highly probable as many of the researchers will also tell you. But I am sure there will be a lot of grant dollars made available for some of these researchers promoting the "mutation of transmission method" to further study these possibilities.
As I have documented on other threads during the course of this event, so far, this outbreak is acting no different than all 20 prior outbreaks over the last 38 years. The only thing different about this outbreak is that it is in cities of thousands to millions of people rather than a few hundred people in a remote African village.
Otherwise to the extent that all prior outbreaks were fairly well documented and the early stages of this one were also fairly well documented, what we are seeing is that at least 95% or more of the time the infection can be traced back to "direct contact with bodily fluids" or direct contact (touching or eating) infected bush meat. Only a relative handful of cases can be attributed to possible infection via contaminated surfaces or possible aerosol transmission within a fairly limited space.
If it were to go truly airborne then the rate of infection factor should increase significantly. So far, we are not seeing that.
Since the infection rate for this outbreak has varied from about 1.68 to 2.785 and is currently hovering around 2.0, unless we see a consistent rate of infection significantly higher than that for at least a few months, there is no way short of specific, direct evidence of a mode of transmission other than "direct contact with bodily fluids" on more than the current one-off basis to make any claim that this thing has mutated and taken on a significant measurable change in its mode of transmission.
Yep. I watched the video myself. You need to hear the last 15 seconds of it.
"http://video.foxnews.com/v/3844753685001/rep-gohmert-casts-doubt-on-cdcs-response-to-ebola/?playlist_id=930909787001#sp=show-clips
"This administration is now expediting visas for travelers coming from West Africa..."
Congressman Louis Gohmert talks about this on Fox And Friends this morning (about 8:20 on the 17th October).
He said, "There's some political deal that's been made with these Ebola-infected nations and I think we're going to find out about it when the president 'has more flexibility' after the elections. There is some deal here, and that's why they won't do a travel ban."
"Every caring mother knows, and has said at one time or another to their child, 'No you're not going because you're sick and you're not going to give this to them.' It's a shame that the CDC and the president doesn't understand that" (Congressman Louis Gohmert).
And, at the very end of Congressman Gohmert's segment, he added, "This administration is now expediting visas for travelers coming from West Africa."
Artie.
Like I said, do you have any LEGITIMATE evidence that visas are actually being expedited for travelers from West Africa?Louie is known to be a bit of a loose cannon. I don't think he has claimed that Guam was going to tip over yet but some fairly off-the-wall stuff has come out of his mouth over the years. Does NOT mean it is actually so just because he said it.
Louie is known to be a bit of a loose cannon. I don't think he has claimed that Guam was going to tip over yet but some fairly off-the-wall stuff has come out of his mouth over the years. Does NOT mean it is actually so just because he said it.
I beg your pardon, Kris. Not being an American, and with no particular interest in politics (normally), I am unfamiliar with the gentleman. I (apparently incorrectly) assumed that because he was featured on a news show that he had some knowledge of what he was talking about. There's a volatile thread here on TB2K about this /http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?457107-quot-This-administration-is-now-expediting-visas-for-travelers-coming-from-West-Africa...-quot&highlight=expedited+visas
and several members appear to consider him worth listening to. Or could it just be group hysteria?
Artie.
Yes, it's acting like it always has for 38 years where it is, my point is, in the last 38 years, have we ever seen how it acts in colder climes?
For all the reasons flu only becomes an issue seasonally here, when it gets colder, most of those same factors could also become serious
game changers to the upside of any Ebola projections based solely on its history in African climate.
No 'gone airborne' mutation required. Though, it could be significant enough many would swear it must have mutated.
That's what most concerns me and why it was 3/4 of that posting.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on my flu/ebola similarities section there.
- Shane
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...avelers-coming-from-West-Africa...-quot/page2
post #44 from terriannie. there is an image attached to her post of a fed doc too
Check THIS out from the "U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services Horse's Mouth!"
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...ries-in-August
DHS STARTED EXPEDITING VISA EXTENSIONS FROM EBOLA COUNTRIES IN AUGUST
AUSTIN, Texas -- As Ebola continued to ravage communities in West Africa this summer, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), a division under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced "immigration relief measures" for citizens of three countries affected by the deadly virus.
The relief measures, announced on the USCIS website as "Ebola Outbreak-related Immigration Relief Measures to Nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone Currently in the United States," on August 15, 2014, include the following:
Change or extension of nonimmigrant status for an individual currently in the United States, even if the request is filed after the authorized period of admission has expired;
Extension of certain grants of parole made by USCIS;
Expedited adjudication and approval, where possible, of requests for off-campus employment authorization for F-1 students experiencing severe economic hardship;
Expedited processing of immigrant petitions for immediate relatives (currently in the United States) of U.S. citizens;
Expedited adjudication of employment authorization applications, where appropriate; and
Consideration for waiver of fees associated with USCIS benefit applications.
In short, the USCIS has been waiving fees, expediting the immigration process, and allowing extensions of visas for anyone coming from the three designated Ebola-stricken countries, provided that they are in the United States. The Free Republic blog reported that the law firm of Edward W. Neufville, III, LLC, a Washington, D.C. area immigration firm, added a section to their website two days after the USCIS announcement, with more details about how these relief measures would work, including extensions of the time that the foreign national could remain in the United States, additional work permit opportunities, and even forgiveness for failure to appear at required interviews or submit required evidence. According to the Neufville firm, the new USCIS policies mean that "ndividuals from Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea currently in the United States may apply for an extension or change in status due to the Ebola Outbreak, even if their request is filed after the authorized period of admission has expired." Otherwise stated, this means that someone from one of those countries who illegally overstayed their visa can now apply for an extension, or someone who arrived illegally can apply to get legal status.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian man who died from Ebola earlier this month, had traveled to the United States after his visa was approved in August, the same month that USCIS announced the new relief measures. One of the concerns many have had about the Ebola crisis is the lure those in the affected countries would -- quite understandably -- feel toward the advanced sanitation standards and medical care available in American hospitals, similar to how open borders, social services, and in-state tuition have been criticized as creating "magnets" for immigrants to illegally cross the U.S. - Mexican border. These specific USCIS policies do not apply to those who are not yet in the United States and are seeking a visa to leave Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone, but the more generous rules that await them once they arrive likely create further incentives for them to attempt to travel here.
According to the Washington Post, the number of visas issued to Liberians by the United States has spiked, with about 3,500 visitor visas granted to Liberians last year, and another 10,000 granted to people from Guinea and Sierra Leone during that same time period. The Post also reported that Liberians also have a very high rate of "visa overstays,"the fifth highest after Cuba, Burundi, Eritrea and the Democratic Republic of Congo, according to immigration expert Jessica Vaughn with the Center for Immigration Studies. Vaughn has sharply criticized the Obama administration's immigration policies regarding Ebola, noting that Kenya and other African countries have closed their borders to any travelers from Ebola-afflicted areas.
The Associated Press reported more details Thursday about efforts in Africa to halt the spread of Ebola, including how Senegal and Nigeria successfully isolated Ebola patients and imposed travel restrictions so as to eliminate the disease in their countries, with no new cases since August. Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau, and Senegal, which share a border with at least one of the three Ebola-afflicted countries covered in the new USCIS policies, have all closed the borders that they share with these nations. In addition to Kenya, South Africa, Zambia, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe have imposed a variety of travel restrictions, airport screening procedures, and quarantine rules.
So far, despite rising outcry as each new Ebola case has been announced, the Obama administration has been unwilling to impose travel restrictions from the Ebola-affected countries.
Ebola Outbreak-related Immigration Relief Measures to Nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone Currently in the United States
http://www.uscis.gov/news/alerts/ebo...-united-states
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post #44 from terriannie. there is an image attached to her post of a fed doc too
Check THIS out from the "U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services Horse's Mouth!"
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...ries-in-August
DHS STARTED EXPEDITING VISA EXTENSIONS FROM EBOLA COUNTRIES IN AUGUST
AUSTIN, Texas -- As Ebola continued to ravage communities in West Africa this summer, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), a division under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced "immigration relief measures" for citizens of three countries affected by the deadly virus.
The relief measures, announced on the USCIS website as "Ebola Outbreak-related Immigration Relief Measures to Nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone Currently in the United States," on August 15, 2014, include the following:
Change or extension of nonimmigrant status for an individual currently in the United States, even if the request is filed after the authorized period of admission has expired;
Extension of certain grants of parole made by USCIS;
Expedited adjudication and approval, where possible, of requests for off-campus employment authorization for F-1 students experiencing severe economic hardship;
Expedited processing of immigrant petitions for immediate relatives (currently in the United States) of U.S. citizens;
Expedited adjudication of employment authorization applications, where appropriate; and
Consideration for waiver of fees associated with USCIS benefit applications.
In short, the USCIS has been waiving fees, expediting the immigration process, and allowing extensions of visas for anyone coming from the three designated Ebola-stricken countries, provided that they are in the United States. The Free Republic blog reported that the law firm of Edward W. Neufville, III, LLC, a Washington, D.C. area immigration firm, added a section to their website two days after the USCIS announcement, with more details about how these relief measures would work, including extensions of the time that the foreign national could remain in the United States, additional work permit opportunities, and even forgiveness for failure to appear at required interviews or submit required evidence. According to the Neufville firm, the new USCIS policies mean that "ndividuals from Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea currently in the United States may apply for an extension or change in status due to the Ebola Outbreak, even if their request is filed after the authorized period of admission has expired." Otherwise stated, this means that someone from one of those countries who illegally overstayed their visa can now apply for an extension, or someone who arrived illegally can apply to get legal status.
Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian man who died from Ebola earlier this month, had traveled to the United States after his visa was approved in August, the same month that USCIS announced the new relief measures. One of the concerns many have had about the Ebola crisis is the lure those in the affected countries would -- quite understandably -- feel toward the advanced sanitation standards and medical care available in American hospitals, similar to how open borders, social services, and in-state tuition have been criticized as creating "magnets" for immigrants to illegally cross the U.S. - Mexican border. These specific USCIS policies do not apply to those who are not yet in the United States and are seeking a visa to leave Guinea, Liberia, or Sierra Leone, but the more generous rules that await them once they arrive likely create further incentives for them to attempt to travel here.
According to the Washington Post, the number of visas issued to Liberians by the United States has spiked, with about 3,500 visitor visas granted to Liberians last year, and another 10,000 granted to people from Guinea and Sierra Leone during that same time period. The Post also reported that Liberians also have a very high rate of "visa overstays,"the fifth highest after Cuba, Burundi, Eritrea and the Democratic Republic of Congo, according to immigration expert Jessica Vaughn with the Center for Immigration Studies. Vaughn has sharply criticized the Obama administration's immigration policies regarding Ebola, noting that Kenya and other African countries have closed their borders to any travelers from Ebola-afflicted areas.
The Associated Press reported more details Thursday about efforts in Africa to halt the spread of Ebola, including how Senegal and Nigeria successfully isolated Ebola patients and imposed travel restrictions so as to eliminate the disease in their countries, with no new cases since August. Ivory Coast, Guinea-Bissau, and Senegal, which share a border with at least one of the three Ebola-afflicted countries covered in the new USCIS policies, have all closed the borders that they share with these nations. In addition to Kenya, South Africa, Zambia, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe have imposed a variety of travel restrictions, airport screening procedures, and quarantine rules.
So far, despite rising outcry as each new Ebola case has been announced, the Obama administration has been unwilling to impose travel restrictions from the Ebola-affected countries.
Ebola Outbreak-related Immigration Relief Measures to Nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone Currently in the United States
http://www.uscis.gov/news/alerts/ebo...-united-states
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question for the 'incompetence' camp
myself and others have posted many quotes from tptb about depopulation. there is a large pool of research on the matter
so, the question is, these people say flat out they want to kill off 90% + of the global population. not 1 person and not 1 occasion, but a long track record of different people supporting and endorsing, to applause and approval i might add, depopulation
when they say they want to depopulate, do you not believe them?
if not, why not?
i said in another thread that if someone w/ neither the means or ability to kill you threatens to wipe you and your family out, you may be safe ignoring it
but when someone w/ both means and ability threatens to wipe you out, and then subsequently levels a weapon at you that can accomplish it, i think that under those circumstances it is prudent and wise to properly mentally process the threat and act accordingly
so. do you not believe them when they say they want depopulation?
if not why not?
do you not think ebola is capable of depopulation?
there must be a break in the threat's chain for you folks and i can't figure out where it is
do you think tptb do not have the means?
do they not have the ability?
or is the reality that someone can be so twisted and so evil impossible for you to believe?
is it just that some are in the 'denial' phase of mourning?
i am truly stumped
i do not see how others can't see what is see????
myself and others have posted many quotes from tptb about depopulation. there is a large pool of research on the matter
so, the question is, these people say flat out they want to kill off 90% + of the global population. not 1 person and not 1 occasion, but a long track record of different people supporting and endorsing, to applause and approval i might add, depopulation
when they say they want to depopulate, do you not believe them?
if not, why not?
i said in another thread that if someone w/ neither the means or ability to kill you threatens to wipe you and your family out, you may be safe ignoring it
but when someone w/ both means and ability threatens to wipe you out, and then subsequently levels a weapon at you that can accomplish it, i think that under those circumstances it is prudent and wise to properly mentally process the threat and act accordingly
so. do you not believe them when they say they want depopulation?
if not why not?
do you not think ebola is capable of depopulation?
there must be a break in the threat's chain for you folks and i can't figure out where it is
do you think tptb do not have the means?
do they not have the ability?
or is the reality that someone can be so twisted and so evil impossible for you to believe?
is it just that some are in the 'denial' phase of mourning?
i am truly stumped
i do not see how others can't see what is see????
Terriannie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes it IS intentional. Straight from the horse's mouth.
While thinly disguised as "help" for immigrants already here, provisions are being made for "immediate relatives" and the "employment authorization application" is practically an open door invitation to suddenly "hired" immigrants. At least that's how I read it. In other words, loopholes.
http://www.uscis.gov/news/alerts/eb...eria-and-sierra-leone-currently-united-states
Ebola Outbreak-related Immigration Relief Measures to Nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone Currently in the United States
Release Date: August 15, 2014
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) is closely monitoring the Ebola outbreak in West Africa. USCIS offers relief measures to nationals of those three countries who are currently in the United States.
Immigration relief measures that may be available if requested include:
Change or extension of nonimmigrant status for an individual currently in the United States, even if the request is filed after the authorized period of admission has expired;
Extension of certain grants of parole made by USCIS;
Expedited adjudication and approval, where possible, of requests for off-campus employment authorization for F-1 students experiencing severe economic hardship;
Expedited processing of immigrant petitions for immediate relatives (currently in the United States) of U.S. citizens;
Expedited adjudication of employment authorization applications, where appropriate; and
Consideration for waiver of fees associated with USCIS benefit applications.
To learn more about how USCIS provides assistance to customers affected by unforeseen circumstances in their home country, visit www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/special-situations.
For more information on USCIS and its programs, please visit www.uscis.gov, call the National Customer Service Center at 1-800-375-5283, or follow USCIS on Facebook (/uscis), Twitter (@uscis), YouTube (/uscis) and the USCIS blog The Beacon.
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Yes Shane, the environmental changes caused by winter will have an effect on the droplets.
In the lower temperature & moderate humidity ranges, they will neither evaporate
nor grow too large to remain aloft.
Ebola mutations that change the protein folding might change the water/virus envelopment,
allowing the virus to fit within a smaller and more nearly spherical droplet,
and consequently would reduce surface area and evaporation rate.
(the long filament structure doesn't fit well into small droplets.)
A mutation/adaptation that allows greater specificity for respiratory epithelial cells
would increase the infectiousness to equal the flu in winter conditions.
A careful reading of the public studies of Ebola infection in pigs shows that
multiple passages frequently selected for enhanced respiratory epithelial cell involvement.
This resulted in virus concentrations of more than 10,000,000 per mL
in the upper respiratory tract fluids.
Replication, Pathogenicity, Shedding, and Transmission of Zaire ebolavirus in Pigs
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/204/2/200.full
Transmission of Ebola virus from pigs to non-human primates
http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/121...l=remove&goback=.gde_4429892_member_187356406
Large format graph, note day one post infection titers!
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/204/2/200/F5.large.jpg
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Mulder
Contributing Member
The problem is that the slow rate of transmission between people who live in mud-huts and who travel by foot is very different than it is for people who commute 50 miles each day to work each day, or who travel via mass transit, or who attend sporting events, or who happen to take the occasional plane trip, or who have snotty nosed kids who spread diseases all around the playground at schools with thousands of kids attending. The people in Africa just don't get around that much. And all of these factors have greatly helped to contain Ebola to the bush prior to now.
With a 21 or perhaps 42 day, incubation period as some have suggest, something like this could easily be spread through a very wide swath of the population before anybody realizes that they are infected. Add knee-jerk denials by public officials, and many infected individuals, plus stupidity into that equation and the situation starts to look somewhat grim.
So this is a completely different scenario.