SCI What If We Called It the ‘Flax Age’ Instead of the ‘Iron Age’?

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Wow, hints of 90,000 years ago! And more information on the weaving I've mentioned from 28,000 years ago - I will be ordering this book next month - this chapter was published as a stand-along article.
What If We Called It the ‘Flax Age’ Instead of the ‘Iron Age’?
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Correcting the Historical Bias Against Domestic Materials
By Kassia St. Clair
November 19, 2019

https://lithub.com/what-if-we-calle...Fq7Pmz7Byt0VUuP94ACaUMmnbsL4rGRoV-BX9Vb-rX450

Archaeology has traditionally had a fundamental bias against fabric. Fabrics are after all highly perishable, withering away within months or years, and only rarely leaving traces behind for those coming millennia later to find. Archaeologists—predominantly male—gave ancient ages names like “Iron” and “Bronze,” rather than “Pottery” or “Flax.” This implies that metal objects were the principal features of these times, when they are simply often the most visible and long-lasting remnants. Technologies using perishable materials, such as wood and textiles, may well have been more pivotal in the daily lives of the people who lived through them, but evidence of their existence has, for the most part, been absorbed back into the earth.

There are exceptions, of course, and traces can and do survive, usually thanks to an unusual climate: freezing, damp anaerobic conditions or extremely dry ones. The climate in Egypt, for example, is ideal for preserving all manner of usually perishable things and we subsequently know far more about ancient Egyptian textiles than those from most other regions. As archaeology has matured and diversified, scholars have increasingly looked for—and found—evidence of fine, complex textiles stretching farther back than anyone would have guessed. Their beauty and the skill needed to make them suggest a very different image of our earliest forebears than the club-wielding, simpleminded thugs of popular imagination.

The objects that most commonly survive, and from which archaeologists and anthropologists infer larger-scale textile production, are the tools that were used to make them. Spindle whorls—small weights, often made of stone or clay punctured with a small hole so that they can be jammed onto the end of a spindle—are found in abundance at many sites. They make it easier to draft and twist the fibers and help apply the force of the twist evenly along the length of the thread being worked upon. And, although they are so simple, whorls can help reveal the kinds of fiber being worked and the desired properties of the finished product.

Heavier ones are better suited to sturdier raw materials, thicker threads made from long-staple fibers, such as flax, while, conversely, if you are making particularly fine thread from short-stapled fibers, like cotton, then you would use a smaller, lighter whorl. An experienced spinner can use a simple spindle and whorl to superlative effect. Indian hand-spinners were said to be able to stretch a single pound of cotton into gossamer-thin thread over 200 miles long: our modern machinery isn’t capable of such dexterity.


Looms also leave some traces. They were used to make larger pieces of textile and to help keep threads that were soft and floppy taut. Weaving at its heart involves two elements, the first set of threads, or weft, being inserted through a second fixed set, the warp. The purpose of a loom is to hold the warp in place, leaving hands free to weave the weft (these words, incidentally, spring from the same source). Like spindles and whorls, looms come in different forms, but were presumably often made of wood, so were unlikely to survive. We do know they existed, though: a depiction of a ground loom (one stretched between pegs set into the ground) was found in a dish placed in a woman’s grave during the early 4th millennium BC at Badari, in Upper Egypt.

Before the discovery at Dzudzuana, the oldest evidence of known fabric dated back 28,000 years.
Another variety is called the weighted or warp-weighted loom. This consists of a tall vertical frame with a high horizontal crossbar from which the warp threads hang and are held taut by little weights attached to their lower ends. Use of this kind of loom has been posited at Neolithic and Bronze Age sites all over Europe and Asia Minor. One is thought to have been used at Chertovy Vorota (“Devil’s Gate”), a cave in what is now Russia, around 18 miles from the Sea of Japan, that was inhabited around 6,000 years ago. When the site was excavated in the 1970s, it was found to have contained some kind of wooden structure, built in the center of the cave and containing a veritable Neolithic trove of shells, bones—human and animal— and potsherds.

Carbonized fragments of textiles were found too, although spindle whorls were absent, leading researchers to assume that the threads were made, painstakingly, entirely by hand and woven on a warp-weighted loom. More concrete remains were discovered in a house in Troy dating back to the early Bronze Age. The house had been consumed by a fire so quickly that the warp weights were found in a perfect row where they had fallen. Scattered around them were 200 or so tiny, shimmering golden beads that were likely being woven steadily into the cloth before the fire broke out.

Other, smaller objects may speak of textile production too. Eyed needles—often made from bone and found at sites stretching from western Europe to Siberia and northern China—were not necessarily used to make clothes, still less woven ones. (They could also have been used to make tents or fishing nets, for example.) But the needles found do seem to correlate to colder regions and periods when the need for fitted, secure clothing would have been keenest.

The oldest, found in Russia, is around 35,000 years old. Small, pierced circular pieces of stone and bone—occasionally decorated—have been found, which may have originally functioned as buttons. A nice piece of corroboration for this theory has been found at an Upper Paleolithic site in France called Montastruc, where an engraved human figure was found, with a row of neat circles down its front from chest to mid-thigh.

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One of the first indications of just how far back the threads of fabric production reach came in 1875. A group of Russian noblemen officers, stationed in Crimea near some ancient mounds known as the Seven Brothers, began digging in and around the area in the hopes of finding treasure. Unlike the majority of those who greedily prod the earth seeking easy wealth, the nobles struck rich. The prehistoric tombs contained gold, marble sculptures, and, most astonishing of all, beautifully complex ancient textiles, desiccated and preserved by the dry air. The settlement to which these tombs belonged was a Greek one, called Pantikapaion, founded in the 6th century BC, later damaged by an earthquake and finally snuffed out by a Hun invasion in the 4th century AD.

The community had clearly contained skilled weavers. One great textile, which the nobles found draped over a wooden sarcophagus, was made up of around a dozen friezes—mythological, animal, and geometric—with floral borders in a chromatic triumvirate of buff, red, and black. The tomb in which it was found had been filled and sealed up in the 4th century BC, but the cloth had been carefully repaired, and so was probably much older. Other tombs contained textiles depicting birds, stags, and mounted men in a panoply of styles and colors.

More evidence of early fabric production followed. Before the discovery at Dzudzuana, the oldest evidence of known fabric dated back 28,000 years. It was of a strangely ghostly, indirect kind. What was found at a site in the Czech Republic, called Dolni Vestonice, wasn’t fabric itself but the imprint some fibers had left in clay fragments, both raw and fired. These impressions, however, are sufficient to indicate that these weavers too had well-honed skills. The traces in the clay revealed multiple variations of two-ply and braided three-strand cords, along with a multitude of woven fabrics.

More was to follow. During the mid-19th century some Neolithic fragments of brocaded fabric, complete with a fringed border, were unearthed from some Swiss lake dwellings dating back to 3000 BC. The village also contained flax in all stages of preparation, from seed to unworked stalks. In the 1920s two archaeologists, Gertrude Caton-Thompson and Elinor Gardner, conducted the first survey of Faiyum, a site in Egypt, which yielded a scrap of coarse linen together with a small cooking pot and a fish vertebra.

On September 12th, 1940, a small dog called Robot and his human companions, four French children, discovered a hole under the roots of a storm-felled tree. Beneath it was the Lascaux cave complex, the walls of which were covered with a painted, heaving cavalcade of oxen, horses, aurochs, and stags, which date back to around 15,000 BC.

While these paintings have become famous, and act as a kind of shorthand for the sophistication of our early ancestors, this wasn’t the only craft Lascaux’s inhabitants were engaged in. One night in 1953, Abbé Glory, a French pre-historian, idly picked up what he took to be a piece of rubble on the floor of the Lascaux cave. The rubble turned out to be a solidified lump of clay and calcite and it unexpectedly broke open, like a Fabergé egg, in his palm. Inside was a perfectly preserved imprint of a long piece of Paleolithic cord. Around 12 inches of this same imprinted cord has since been discovered, revealing it to be made of two-plied strands of some kind of vegetable fiber, neatly S-twisted together.

Intriguingly, a 2013 discovery in southeast France has led to tentative suggestions that Homo sapiens may not have been the first species to have made string. A tiny sliver of twisted fibers—just 0.028 inches long—was found in a site occupied by Neanderthals 90,000 years ago, well before sapiens arrived in Europe.

Catal Hüyük, a Unesco heritage site in what is now central Turkey, was once a sophisticated Neolithic settlement occupied from around 7400 BC to 6200 BC. This period saw the move from a hunter-gatherer lifestyle to a more settled one, and there are signs that the occupiers were proud of their new homes. The rectangular, mud-brick structures contained hearths and sleeping platforms, were entered through holes in the roof, rather than doors in walls, and were painted with geometric designs in crimson and burnt orange using pigments including ochers and cinnabar. Adding to this embarrassment of archaeological riches, during a dig in 1961, a dark, shallow pit in the corner of one of the dwellings was found to contain the carbonized remains of humans and fabrics, dating to the beginning of the sixth millennium BC.

Quite apart from wondering when humans began to weave, we must also ask how.
The excavation was problematic. “Climatic conditions made the recovery of the textiles a trying business,” Hans Helbaek, the archaeologist who worked on the site, complained. “If one attempted to expose the whole burial in a proper fashion, the surface would dry up immediately in the scorching heat and the textile remains would turn into powder and be carried away by the persistent wind.” But the care he took was rewarded. The scattered remains of around seven or eight bodies, including those of several children, were jumbled together, some charred, others with withered muscle still attached.

Intriguingly, traces of textiles lay among the bones. Some had been reduced to dust, or scant hanks of thread, but larger pieces remained intact. It appeared as if the bodies, after being dismembered, had been carefully encased in fabric and parcelled up with string. Some larger limbs were wrapped separately, others bundled with smaller bones. One half of a lower jaw was even found to have been painstakingly immured in several layers.

The weaving techniques found at Catal Hüyük varied enormously. Some pieces were coarse, others fine; some were of plain, warp-weft pattern while in others the thicknesses and spacing differed. All the textiles, with the exception of the string, were made with animal fiber, probably wool. And they made a great impression on Helbaek. “All these fabrics,” he wrote, “display a technical skill which can not but surprise the observer considering their great age—at least 8,500 years.”

Quite apart from wondering when humans began to weave, we must also ask how. It may have started with basketry using tender leaves and stems, through to matting, netting, and cordage, each step getting the proto-weavers closer to creating flexible lengths of cloth. Remains from these early millennia are scant: new archaeological finds pose as many questions as they provide answers.

Early textiles, woven from fibers extracted from plants or plucked from sheep or goats, were essential survival tools for our earliest ancestors, more vital than weapons. Fabrics could provide shelter, warmth, and, later, visible status. They also proved an outlet for one of humanity’s most compelling qualities: creativity. The shimmering cloth being made in the burnt Trojan home and the objects that the Dzudzuana fibers were part of are lost to us.

We will never be able to see them, or understand what they meant to their makers. What we can be sure of, however, is that their creators put thought and care into them—why else use golden beads and pink, gray, and turquoise dyes? Even from the earliest point of their creation, fabrics have mapped the ambition and skill of their creators.

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Excerpted from The Golden Thread: How Fabric Changed History. Used with the permission of the publisher, Liveright. Copyright © 2019 by Kassia St. Clair.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Actually Nightwolf felt this book was so important for his about to be published book on Amulets, Stones, and Herbs that I just ordered the Kindle Version so he can add any last-minute changes or additions before it goes to press.

I will probably order the hardback next month...
 

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
Thank you Melodi. I’ve always found this type of history fascinating as it puts us more into contact with our living, breathing and weaving ancestors.
 

Dozdoats

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Fabrics are after all highly perishable, withering away within months or years, and only rarely leaving traces behind for those coming millennia later to find.

And how. In two semesters of field work as an undergrad student at Mound State Monument/Moundville in AL I only ran across one bit of textile, and that survived because it was enclosed in a tubular copper bead. In later years my family made a trip to Mesa Verde, CO and visited the museum there. I was thunderstruck at the amount of textiles, basketry, fabrics, sandals, rope etc. which had survived in the cliff houses. Amazed and very envious as well.

Rename it the Flax Age? I haven't even managed to accept the BC vs BCE change yet, I'm not ready for any more realignments. :D
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I don't really mind the name. The Iron Age led to neat things like my Dutch Oven and some good meals, after which there was plenty time to sew. The hand that spins the distaff rules the world. Name changing at this point is silly. The research is the important thing.

The article is fascinating and what is uppermost in my mind is that in each Great Cycle (GSM) things were taken down to their component parts of fire and ice and we all started the whole shebang over again. Tabula Rasa. The Remnant. Literally and figuratively.

How many times and how many different species of plants and animals over the many new cycles did hominids learn to spin/weave with? What did those plants look like? How did their flowers smell? What did the wooly critters look like that were the progenitors of our wooly critters of today? Did their tools differ in shape and function from what we have discovered from digs of our close ancestors? Was there any religious significance to either plants or animals that helped clothe, adorn, and warm those people of yore? Is anyone asking these questions besides me?

Lifts eyebrow Spock-style: Fascinating!
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
So far the earliest fibers I am aware of, without reading the book have all been plant fibers.

But that may be simply because plant fibers tend to survive better in the types of soil where the very early finds have been located in Europe.

It turns out that almost all of them are nettle fibers, but we have no idea what the folks were spinning 28,000 years ago because we only have the impressions fired into the mud (they were also making fired clay figures) and any actual fabric that I am aware of.

On the other hand, I've watched tiny children pick up cat and dog hair and start making "string" (usually a pathetic bit of cordage but with practice it could be useable) in the "old" way my friend in the UK has learned to spin for demonstrations without using even a spindle stick but just rubbing/spinning the yarn on her leg.

So I suspect that animal fibers (probably the undercoats of Ice Age mammals) were also used, especially if spinning and weaving go back as far as the Old Stoneage which it might.

That is how Water Buffalo, Yak fur and even ancient sheep breeds in parts of Scandinavia and Scotland are "plucked" for spinning even today.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
So far the earliest fibers I am aware of, without reading the book have all been plant fibers.

But that may be simply because plant fibers tend to survive better in the types of soil where the very early finds have been located in Europe.

It turns out that almost all of them are nettle fibers, but we have no idea what the folks were spinning 28,000 years ago because we only have the impressions fired into the mud (they were also making fired clay figures) and any actual fabric that I am aware of.

On the other hand, I've watched tiny children pick up cat and dog hair and start making "string" (usually a pathetic bit of cordage but with practice it could be useable) in the "old" way my friend in the UK has learned to spin for demonstrations without using even a spindle stick but just rubbing/spinning the yarn on her leg.

So I suspect that animal fibers (probably the undercoats of Ice Age mammals) were also used, especially if spinning and weaving go back as far as the Old Stoneage which it might.

That is how Water Buffalo, Yak fur and even ancient sheep breeds in parts of Scandinavia and Scotland are "plucked" for spinning even today.

I'd love it if this was moved to our stitching room! Great article, will order the book on Cyber Monday.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I always thought the definitions Iron Age, Stone Age and Bronze Age were pretty limited. There should be a total redefinition.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The names of the ages have never really concerned me all that much but it is a quirk of history that the heavy metal objects and those of stone tended to preserve better than wooden tools or fibers.

The ancestors understood the importance of both, and they worked together - for example, the broken twill weave of many early Northern European and later Norse fabrics has shown to repel rips from swords and other sharp objects better than simpler plain weaves.

It is a lot of protection, but people had figured out that it provided some and that might be enough to give a hunter or a warrior just that little bit of extra in difficult situations.

So what you really have is "The Age of Stone and Nettles" or "The Age of Iron and Flax"
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
Lovely image on the article, kind of like intercession for Ephraim/England being done mercifully by Manasseh/Merica, all for their benefit

Tapestries tear, they are fragile and deserve far more textile preservation, restoration and intervention.

Dolley Madison's dress for instance, cut from the velvet drapes she pulled from the curtain rods of the White House as British Troops were 5 miles away ready to advance

She wrapped and hid what silver and china, crystal in them that she could grab and load into the wagon, to buffer their journey from shattering or thievery and rescued that precious oil portrait of a General.

So yes, fabric arts have their place make no mistake, but its musket lead and sabre stainless that provide a framework that fibre crafts and domestic husbandry can exist at all. Credit where its due.
 

Dozdoats

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And stone, too.

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Clovis points are indeed works of art. And when it was time to go shopping at the mammoth and megafauna supermarket, an 8 or 9" Clovis was a Good Thing to help bring home the groceries.

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The Mountain

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I always figured that it wasn't the metals in general that were being referred to, but weapons and armor in particular. Since weapons have had arguably a far more dramatic impact on civilization and history than any other technology, and evolve at a far faster pace than other technologies, it seemed to me to make sense to categorize them by the types in use. Flax was used long before iron, and is still in use today, but bronze armor and weapons are a historical curiosity.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I always figured that it wasn't the metals in general that were being referred to, but weapons and armor in particular. Since weapons have had arguably a far more dramatic impact on civilization and history than any other technology, and evolve at a far faster pace than other technologies, it seemed to me to make sense to categorize them by the types in use. Flax was used long before iron, and is still in use today, but bronze armor and weapons are a historical curiosity.

I'm currently reading a book ("Water: The Epic Struggle For Wealth, Power, And Civilization," by Steven Solomon, 2010) that says water technology was (and still is) the defining technology of any human civilization. In fact, some historians have suggested that government and even writing itself first came into existence in order to manage the very first irrigation systems. As far as weapons are concerned, the book considers transportation by water and military navies to also be parts of water technology. So far the book is making a better case for what makes civilizations rise and fall than Jared Diamond's 2005 book "Collapse," where Diamond essentially argues (very politically correctly) that it's all about the trees (basically, "when trees are gone civilizations collapse").
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
They had a lot more going for them than just iron, stone or bronze so the name of the era should reflect the general sophistication of the times.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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They had a lot more going for them than just iron, stone or bronze so the name of the era should reflect the general sophistication of the times.

It seems that the use of stone, iron or bronze is actually a useful shortcut way of describing the general sophistication of a society at that time...

Summerthyme
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Ages are named for the primary material from which their tools were made.

Not a lot of tools made from flax.
 

summerthyme

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Yeah, and I'm guessing that is frosting some feminist anthropologists' butts, hence the suggestion for the change in nomenclature.

For people who believe (or claim to) that gender is a made up construct, they sure spend a lot of time obsessing about it!

Summerthyme
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Ages are named for the primary material from which their tools were made.

Not a lot of tools made from flax.

Unless perhaps you consider clothing to cover the body for protection and temperature regulation a "tool" which is one way to look at it.

Again I personally don't have an issue with the naming of the ages, but has been an anthropology student in the last days of "Man the Great Hunter" as the "answer to everything" in pre-history, there has been in the past a tendency to ignore human inventions and technology that isn't as easily preserved as a rock.

Just as in the past there was a tendency in archelogy to designate any item not immediately understood as either a phallic or fertility symbol (and obviously "religious").

Including I might add, a series of sticks found mounted on the wall of a weaving room in Turkey where the climate had preserved it and a professor lectured in the classroom of a friend of mine that it was "obviously, a phallic symbol so the women could concentrate on sex while they worked."

In reality, it is almost certainly a "warping board" used the same way today as it was 9,000 years ago to measure the warp thread before they are placed on the loom to start weaving.

My old housemate thought I was insane when I starting laughing and dancing about my warping board when he put it up on the wall of my weaving room, I kept saying "now I have my own personal phallic symbol.."

A modern warping board on a wall

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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Unless perhaps you consider clothing to cover the body for protection and temperature regulation a "tool" which is one way to look at it.

Not a way that a rational person would however. If you can build a house with flax tools, then we’ll talk. Until then, um, no.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
There is a lot more to a civilisation than tools, such as construction of housing, cities and villages, monuments, religion, social and political organisation, architecture, sanitation, roads, writing, language, art, artefacts, manufacture of utensils, ships/transportation, weapons/armies etc etc, yes and clothing.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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There is a lot more to a civilisation than tools, such as construction of housing, cities and villages, monuments, religion, social and political organisation, architecture, sanitation, roads, writing, language, art, artefacts, manufacture of utensils, ships/transportation, weapons/armies etc etc, yes and clothing.

Why don’t you try to fit all that crap onto a file-folder tab. Then try “Bronze Age” and see if that might fit better. Don’t be deliberately obtuse.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Oh, there was NO sophistication at all in the Bronze Age. None. Just barely past beating rocks together (Stone Age), they were.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/uk/cornwall-tin-israel-intl-scli-gbr/index.html
Ancient tin found in Israel has unexpected Cornish links
By Amy Woodyatt, CNN
Updated 11:18 AM ET, Thu September 19, 2019

Some of the studied tin ingots from the sea off the coast of Israel (approx. 1300-1200 BC).

London (CNN)Tin ingots recovered from a shipwreck in Israel have been discovered to have an unlikely origin -- Cornwall, in southwest England.

Researchers from Heidelberg University and the Curt Engelhorn Centre for Archaeometry, Mannheim studied 27 tin ingots -- metal cast into bars, plates, or sheets -- from sites in Israel, Turkey and Greece.

Many of the ingots were discovered from shipwrecks off the coast of Israel and Turkey.

Using lead and tin isotope data and trace element analysis, the archeologists discovered that the metal ingots, which dated from the 13th and 12th centuries BC, did not originate from Central Asia as previously thought, but instead came from tin deposits in Europe.

Perhaps most surprisingly, the team found that tin artifacts from Israel most likely came from Cornwall and Devon in southwest England.

The findings, researchers say, prove that "complex and far-reaching" trade routes existed between Europe and the Eastern Mediterranean in the Bronze Age.

"Tin objects and deposits are rare in Europe and Asia. The Eastern Mediterranean region, where some of the objects we studied originated, had practically none of its own deposits," Prof. Dr Ernst Pernicka, who was involved in the research, said in a press release.

"So the raw material in this region must have been imported", he added.

"The Israeli tin ingots could be examples for emerging tin networks between northwestern Europe and the eastern Mediterranean area -- probably via the Greek mainland under the Mycenaean regency -- that could have persisted some hundred years," researchers said in the study, which was published in the PLOS science journal.

"The results of the study show that tin metal in that time was acquired in distant lands and transported over thousands of kilometers from probably Great Britain to the Eastern Mediterranean," Daniel Berger, a archaeometallurgist who carried out the research, told CNN.

Berger told CNN that tin was a valuable material for ancient people because it was a key component of bronze -- an alloy of copper and tin.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Fiber produced cord and rope, which is a tool. Wattle and daub is a common prehistoric construction method involving the weaving of flexible branches like willow between sticks and then covering it in clay. It was used for walls in buildings and fencing. Cloth was necessary for climate modification, particularly in the ice ages, to allow people to live in colder climates. Europeans would likely not have spread without woven fibers. Cloth was also stuffed with wool fleece of various animals to provide armor. It was used as padding for riding on horses, bags for storage and hauling, wicks for oil lamps, bedding, sails for boats etc.

I was surprised at the bright colors that were worn. Somehow, I always thought everything was a brown. Not so.

The dig at Must Farm has been uncovering a whole series of yarns and fibers. There are some videos here: https://www.facebook.com/pg/MustFarmArchaeology/videos/?ref=page_internal

Must Farm is an archaeological site near Cambridge at Peterborough dating back around 900 BC. It was a fen culture living on a wooden platform over the water. It was home to about 50-100 people. Comparison of my DNA to archaic samples shows that I have DNA in common with them, which is why I have been following the dig.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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You know, you people can INTJ this all you want, but THE FACT IS that scientists have been using the current shorthand for a very long time. Why don’t a bunch of you write hostile letters to the National Science Academy demanding they change. It’ll assuage your INTJ “feelz”...

ETA: Oh, DD? My “Bronze Age” was an EXAMPLE. You just had to INTJ all over it, right?
 

Dozdoats

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I don't know of anyone shipping flax from Cornwall to Israel :D

And I yam what I yam. Can't help it any more than you can help being what you are.
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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The "flax age" would have started around 30,000BC and would still be ongoing. Not a useful marker for delineating stages in civilizations. The shift from stone tools/weapons, to bronze, to iron? That's a major shift, with significant associated advancements in technology and even civilizational development. The shift from bronze to iron in particular put an end to quite a few civilizations, when one side figured iron out while their enemies hadn't yet.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
You danced around it?? :D

Yes, I did, it was fun, of course I'd been telling that story for 15 years already by that point and I was laughing my head off.

Then I got to work and starting threading the warp on it - which while not as fun, was the first step to get the loom set up, just like it was 9,000 years ago.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I don't know of anyone shipping flax from Cornwall to Israel :D

And I yam what I yam. Can't help it any more than you can help being what you are.

How about silk thread from China is used for the decorative trim on men's clothing found intact in an Austrian mineshaft and dated to about the 6th century BC (or before)?

When I talk about this in lectures or weaving classes I suggest that some guy got home and his wife asked him where his best shirt was you know the one she spent hours weaving the trim for and he says something like,

"Oh it was hot in the mine and took it off..er..a.. guess I forgot and left it.."

At which point she screams "your wore WHAT shirt and you did What with it?" and presented him with the burned roast for dinner lol

A piece of the trim in question...(there was more than one piece found, so probably not that expensive either)
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Dozdoats

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SO much history in detail we just don't know …

But even after all these years, it is still fun learning. Thanks for the detail, Mel.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Age should denote the highest significant level of tech for the period. Knapped stone? Bronze or Ironwork? Fabric and weaving has been around in some form for a long time...spanning these other "Ages" .

Our contemporary times are already (correctly) referred to as the Digital Age. (Post "Space Age".) When we reach fusion or anti-grav capabilities...or something beyond my imagination - it will be named after The Next Big Thing.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
SO much history in detail we just don't know …

But even after all these years, it is still fun learning. Thanks for the detail, Mel.

You welcome, early fiber production and its history are a personal passion, I can go on endlessly; also my friend in the UK (the one I talk about who was on the team that invented Bluetooth) is the same but has an engineer's brain (and a Ph.D.'s ability to research).

She's the one that fixed the tent using her weaving tools ...

And yes, flax can be used to create the fabric for building wattle and daub buildings and the roofs were made from the stalks of other plant fibers gathered together with cordage often made from flax or hemp.

The other way of doing it is to WEAVE strips from branches in a similar pattern or use a combination of fabric and woven wooden pannels.

So the basic walls of many traditional dwellings in Northern Europe started with - flax fibers made with flax tools and/or woven panels using the same techniques used for weaving cloth or basketry.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Perhaps we should name all ages in touchy-feely “female-oriented” terms.

We could have the “animal skin” age, the “wool age”, the “flax age”, the “jeans age”, and today, perhaps the “polyester age.”

I guess that’s make all the girlies happy.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
You know, you people can INTJ this all you want, but THE FACT IS that scientists have been using the current shorthand for a very long time. Why don’t a bunch of you write hostile letters to the National Science Academy demanding they change. It’ll assuage your INTJ “feelz”...

ETA: Oh, DD? My “Bronze Age” was an EXAMPLE. You just had to INTJ all over it, right?

Oh my Dennis, why the sudden vitriol against INTJs? What does "INTJ all over it mean?"
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Perhaps we should name all ages in touchy-feely “female-oriented” terms.

We could have the “animal skin” age, the “wool age”, the “flax age”, the “jeans age”, and today, perhaps the “polyester age.”

I guess that’s make all the girlies happy.

A cast iron skillet is "touchy-feely" in some certain situations. According to the Sisterhood of the Sacred Skillet of Justice.

I think it is fun to run with this conversation and see what pops up. I'm having too much fun with this thread to get my feathers ruffled.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
A cast iron skillet is "touchy-feely" in some certain situations. According to the Sisterhood of the Sacred Skillet of Justice.

I think it is fun to run with this conversation and see what pops up. I'm having too much fun with this thread to get my feathers ruffled.
I totally agree about the cast iron skillet!

There are really three issues here (and I didn't name this tread, I used the article title and I thought the article was interesting)

1. There has been a tendency in archeology for the last 150 or so years of its existence as a discipline to understandably concentrate on the hard artifacts that survive, hence the changes in metallurgy and/or hard (stone or pottery) were (and still are used) to study ancient societies especially pre-literate ones.

So it makes perfect sense to name various "ages" by those technologies but unfortunately, something else happened and that is number 2.

2. This is the tendency in archeology until very recently to tend to discount or not even try to study or understand all the other aspects of human practical technologies and cultures of the sort that don't preserve well and are hard to research.

This understandably resulted in a lot of academic "guessing" that over the decades became set-in-stone (pun intended) and on which Academic careers were often based with the ideas becoming enshrined as "truth."

Suddenly modern science has made examining a lot of the "softer" technologies possible (including examining stone pots to see what was cooked in them - like oat porridge thousands of years back in the European stone age) and it upends these academic apple carts.

Most people don't like seeing their life's work turned into mush, a totally non-gendered example was all the careers riding on Neanderthals never mating with modern humans - those people had much of the research, papers and reputations ripped up virtually over-night.

Which leads us to number 3 (last one I promise)

3. It is simply a fact that some (but not all) of the "softer" technologies that were previously lost to researchers involved tasks done by women - not all, a wooden plow or soft horse tack isn't likely to survive well either. But because of the nature of the earlier "hard" finds being largely associated with the work often (but not always) done by men, there has been a backlash both on the part of Women Academics who make silly and over-the-top claims that really do tend to demean men and also an over-reaction by older (and largely male) academics to poo-poo even the pretty obvious results of modern testing as some sort of feminist plot.

As so often happens in so many aspects of life the "truth" gets lost in the middle - while most traditional societies divide tasks by gender roles EVERYONE needs EVERYTHING to survive - they work together.

The Spearpoint may be held on to the shaft by animal or fibers prepared by the hunter's wife - she also scrapes the hides from his kill and cooks his supper.

The Warhorse is kept from getting saddle sores from the horse blanket woven by the women of the Warrior's household and the Viking's Ship is manned by sales spun and woven by them.

That salt miner who lost his tunic (and possibly had burned stew for a week) was protected from the elements by the clothing worn by his wife, while he did the hard labor (using hard tools that survive) to provide the salt used to trade for those lovely silk threads that came all the way from China to Austria BEFORE the rise of the Roman Empire.

He may also have built her small wooden loom or made her weaving cards which also don't survive well but without which weaving his clothing is very difficult.

This is not an Either/Or it is a combination of skills that made life workable.
 
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