CHAT What if Harry becomes an American Citizen

Ronman2002

Contributing Member
Then he will be able to say that “ if so and so is elected to office then I will give up my US citizenship and become a citizen of x”. Just like the rest of his “type” does.;)
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I don't think he can give up his citizenship while he is still in line for the throne. Until he willingly gives that up then nope, not gonna happen.

Had Harry stayed active duty in the military he probably would have been okay. The fact that he was no longer "active" but just honorary with figurehead status at best pretty much ruined his life. The military life is what kept his grandfather from imploding into an completely useless ass. He could still be a stinker but he wasn't a complete ass. Harry on the other hand is heading to loserville at a fast and furious rate. He is used to women running his life ... mother, grandmother, now wife. He really needed to stay in the military to retain his pride and purpose. He has neither at the moment.
 

juco

Veteran Member
I have to admit, when I read the thread title it registered as Hairy, not Harry. And I was wondering how Hairy being a US citizen might benefit Dennis. Tax deduction? Extra stimulus payments? lol
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hey, I used to be a red haired, silver and long now...
I used to be a redhead too, all white now. My hair turned more golden before it went white.

I don't know how it was when you were a kid but when with a group that needed identifying it was always "and the redhead".

Look how badly Charles treated Diana if William didn't have a natural brotherly love for Harry he would have been kicked to the curb long ago and probably was to some degree anyway. But all spoiled brats just the same.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Harry would be fuqqed if he became an American.
He'd have to report ALL his overseas bank accounts and assets to IRS and Treasury, hahahahaha
FATCA his arse. ha ha.
He already does, he's married to Megahn; this was one reason I felt they acted very foolishly unless there is something we don't know and there are serious rumors the Queen threatened to take custody of Archie or that her palace mavens mentioned it might happen and that caused Meghan to flee. But unless there are some serious issues we don't know about the Palace and The Firm was pushing back on the IRS in ways that won't happen now.

The Royals were finding out the same thing that every other non-American spouse finds out no matter where they live in the world - the IRS wants taxes on THEIR money (all of it) and THEIR salary even when filings are made separately.

This and the fact that most European banks won't even give bank accounts (or joint bank accounts) to US Citizens because of IRS demands that they provide "all" information to the US (without compensation or payment for their time) is probably THE major reason so many regular US Citizens are renouncing their citizenship.

It isn't that they want to and these days it is expensive, but it is because otherwise, their spouse is the only one in the family that can have a bank account, the American spouse becomes a "non-person" in many ways. And the end of the day, if the family wants to visit the US, the IRS will demand often thousands upon thousands of dollars from the non-American spouse based on their "back salary." I know of one case where the demand was 125,000 dollars (these were normal lower-middle-class people without a lot of money).

With Meghan, the IRS was trying to decide (on their own) how much all the "perks" of being a royal were worth (like the free grace and favor apartments) as if they were paying rent, and the royal family lawyers were taking them on (someone needed to).

But now they won't have that protection, so Harry might as well become a US citizen if he wants to (he will still be a Brit) and his new baby will be a duel citizen anyway. Technically Archie is too as his Mom is an American citizen.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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WAG, the Brit power brokers put out a media hit on them.



At Least 10 People Ready to Come Forward as Claims Meghan Markle Bullied and ‘Humiliated’ Staff Probed

At least ten former staff members are ready to come forward as claims that Meghan, Duchess of Sussex bullied and “humiliated” aides are probed.

Allegations that Meghan, the former Suits starlet and wife of Prince Harry, inflicted “emotional cruelty and manipulation” on staff are being investigated by Buckingham Palace, after a former aide revealed she had been the subject of a bullying complaint and accused her of driving a number of people out of their jobs.

“A group of people are queuing up to be involved. They have been silent for too long and there is much to talk about,” a source told the left-wing Daily Mirror.

Claims that Meghan brought a certain Hollywood entitlement into British public life have swirled for years, with her husband accused of doing little to restrain her — “What Meghan wants, Meghan gets,” he is alleged to have shouted at the Queen’s dresser during an incident involving a diamond tiara.

“I… witnessed Meghan turn and ‘hiss’ at a member of her entourage, clearly incandescent with rage about something, and demand to leave,” the royal editor at the Daily Mail said of one alleged incident during a public event.

“I later saw that same – female – highly distressed member of staff sitting in an official car, with tears running down her face. Our eyes met and she lowered hers, humiliation etched on her features.”




Before Meghan and Harry abandoned their duties as working royals — but not their titles — to pursue money-making ventures and activism in the United States, their communications secretary wrote to Prince William’s private secretary said he was “very concerned that the Duchess [of Sussex, Meghan] was able to bully two PAs out of the household in the past year. The treatment of X was totally unacceptable.”

He added that “the Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights” and was “bullying Y and seeking to undermine her confidence.”

“We have had report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behaviour towards Y,” he warned.

The pair appear to be framing the revival of the complaints against Meghan as retaliation for a tell-all interview they have filmed with Oprah Winfrey, which will air on Monday in the United Kingdom.

Clips advertising the interview give the impression that they will paint the Royal Family in a negative light, with Meghan describing her experience as “almost unsurvivable” and claiming that “The Firm” — senior royals — of “perpetuating falsehoods” against her and her husband.

A spokesman for Meghan and Harry has denied the bullying allegations against her, saying: “Let’s just call this what it is — a calculated smear campaign based on misleading and harmful misinformation.”

However, the main thrust of the Buckingham Palace probe seems to be whether or not complaints about her while she was still a working royal were handled correctly, with there being some suggestion that efforts were made to make them “go away” rather than upset her.

“Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness,” a source told The Times.

The row comes as the Queen’s 99-year-old husband — Harry’s grandfather — is suffering an extended stay in hospital, at one point undergoing a heart procedure.

 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
"The Firm," had better watch it on the "bullying" stuff because once the cat is out of the bag for letting "royal" attendants speak out (usually forbidden by both law and tradition) then Prince Andrew is likely to be toast.

While having a "Princess Pushy" make them look bad is uncomfortable, the potential for chaos or even removal of the royal family (after the death of the Queen or perhaps Charles) is much greater if a major member if found to be a repeated abuser of young women, even if it never actually goes to court.

In the past, every time the end of the monarchy comes up, it gets buried because in reality, the "Royals" bring in a lot more tourist money most years than the cost the government to maintain (especially these days). But that could change if they lose their popularity with the public.

At the very least, there may be a lot further "downsizing" of the royal position, to something similar to Denmark or Sweden where the "royals" have real jobs and while they enjoy privileged lives, they really mostly figure heads to be trotted out during times of national emergencies or celebration.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
WAG, the Brit power brokers put out a media hit on them.
Eh, I'm not so sure about that. Long before they left in a huff... really not long after the echos from their "I do's" faded, there were quite a few reports of Meghan being a Royal Bitch to her staff and others. I believed them because they all had a ring of truth and her subsequent behavior has only firmed my suspicion. She loves the limelight and picked an easy target to gain herself fame and fortune. Can you tell I've never been impressed with her? :) It's not because of her mixed race heritage, either. I just think she's a self-absorbed, no class skank golddigger.

Say what one will about The Royal Family™, I consider it crass and self-entitled for anyone who marries into a/any family that makes no bones about the many rules, structure and expectations well ahead of the nuptials and then complains and acts put-upon when those rules also apply to them. Sort of like going to McDonald's and expecting white tablecloths and tuxedo-wearing waiters hovering to anticipate every need, then acting like they're being marginalized or bullied or any other stupid, lame-ass thing when others point out "those things are just not done here."
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Meggie's attitude is living up to her momma's side of the family.
Actually no, from what I have seen and heard of her mother (who is well-liked by the royal family and popular in the UK), it isn't her business owner, pick-yourself-up by your bootstraps and be polite in public Mother she takes after.

It is her demanding, self-centered, rude, "Hillbilly" father I think she is starting to take after - she's not as extreme of an animal's hind end as he is, but she's more or more acting in a similar way if slightly more refined in her presentation and demands.

If you really look at her parents you will see this, her Mom isn't perfect, but she doesn't seem to be the "entitled one" either.
 

Jeff B.

Don’t let the Piss Ants get you down…
Isn’t Harry in a situation where he’s on a Visa? How long can he stay without being on some permanent basis?

And, I expect that a permanent status would entail some degree or involvement with the IRS, which is something I suspect he should want to avoid at almost all costs.

On the relationship side, I think that MM is in waaay over her head and doesn’t comprehend the “long game” that Royals play. I also buy the allegations of her acting in a rude, impetuous and demanding manner. After all, she was a budding starlet that had all sorts of role models to pattern herself after.

Jeff B.
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Just a weird thought. What if Prince Harry becomes an American Citizen. He's currently sixth in line to the throne so not much of a chance of him becoming king. He really has nothing left to lose. He's stepped away from the royal duties and thus lost some of his honorary appointments, but so what. What has he got to lose at this point. I realize that most Americans could care less, same as me. I was just wondering. I think it would really piss off the royal family which I also think would be just fine. Just wonder if he might do that.

Well, if he becomes a citizen, he abdicates, so problem solved. We end up taxing him on his worth, get the money and he gets to be a regular Joe.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
He is already on the hook for the IRS, he's married to a US Citizen, that won't change. He is probably on a spousal VISA which most people have to jump through endless hoops to get and is one reason so many couples end up staying overseas, especially if the Non-American spouse is from a first-world country.

But the US is the ONLY nation on Earth (well I think there's one African heck hole as well) that forces people to pay taxes no matter where in the world they live and even if they are non-citizens but married to Americans.

So he gains nothing either way in terms of the IRS, especially now that the Palace is no longer trying to force off the IRS which they were trying to do when he was still in the UK and a "Working Royal." Basically, the palace at the time told the US State Department, "reign in your IRS dogs or we will go public with an international row."

Now he no longer has that protection.

I keep bringing this up because most Americans have no idea, and they don't understand why a good number of the first "Stimme" checks over here were used to pay for the Exit Fees now required to renounce citizenship (if they "let" you).
 

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
Just curiosity. Seeing what the spoiled, entitled, rich brats have to ruin their everyday existence which is so far removed from the struggles of real life that the rest of us face.

How do you know he is a spoiled brat? Have you met him?

He's probably done more boots to the ground help for those who are hurting worse than you, than you have. Last week, he quietly served at an LA mission, serving food. No media announcement, no fanfare. The week before that, he volunteered at the VFW and Meals on Wheels delivering food himself. He spends months in Africa, helping dig wells and build medical facilities. Not just photo ops, he is there for a long haul, doing manual labor. Aids patients, children with lost limbs due to land mines, clean water, food for the poor, gang rehabilitation, drug rehab, children who have lost parents - all charities he is actively involved in, not just photo ops and a check sent, but sleeves rolled up and active in.

He seems a lot less spoiled and more grounded in the blessings he does have and how to use them than some of the poor with chips on their shoulder. Just because someone is born into money, doesn't mean they are spoiled, any more than someone who is born into poverty makes them lazy or a criminal. We're all sinners, there are no levels of sin in God's eyes. The love of money is the root of all evil, not the ownership of it. You don't have to have money to love it. It can be a stumbling block of envy or jealousy of anothers wealth that trips you up.
 
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Squid

Veteran Member
Why would we give citizenship to one of Dennis’s dogs????

I really can’t see why, except maybe voters rights...
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
How do you know he is a spoiled brat? Have you met him?

He's probably done more boots to the ground help for those who are hurting worse than you, than you have. Last week, he quietly served at an LA mission, serving food. No media announcement, no fanfare. The week before that, he volunteered at the VFW and Meals on Wheels delivering food himself. He spends months in Africa, helping dig wells and build medical facilities. Not just photo ops, he is there for a long haul, doing manual labor. Aids patients, children with lost limbs due to land mines, clean water, food for the poor, gang rehabilitation, drug rehab, children who have lost parents - all charities he is actively involved in, not just photo ops and a check sent, but sleeves rolled up and active in.

He seems a lot less spoiled and more grounded in the blessings he does have and how to use them than some of the poor with chips on their shoulder. Just because someone is born into money, doesn't mean they are spoiled, any more than someone who is born into poverty makes them lazy or a criminal. We're all sinners, there are no levels of sin in God's eyes. The love of money is the root of all evil, not the ownership of it. You don't have to have money to love it. It can be a stumbling block of envy or jealousy of anothers wealth that trips you up.

You don't know me either and you have no right to preach to me. Are you telling me that the Royal family is not spoiled?
I have some very wealthy friends, some in between and some poor. We don't judge each other by what we have but by what we do and who we are.

A photo op at a mission is not exactly serving the poor, but if Harry shows up every day, as some of us have then that's a different story.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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I'd expect that his family money is safe from US taxes.

He should be structured in a way that keeps it untouchable.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
As for really carrying for Harry one way or the other, I really don't. Sometimes I just wonder about things, sort of a mental exercise in, what if? I do however respect him for serving TWO COMBAT tours in the Sandbox, which I'm sure were in defiance of Mummy & Daddy and especially Grandmamma. His work with disabled veterans is stand up and square. As for leaving Jolly Ol' England I can understand that. Who in the hell would want to live someplace where you're ALWAYS second fiddle and just the "Spare" as well as putting up with all that royal crap and where your life is dictated by your grandmother and all that stupid royal protocol?

I couldn't wait to get out from under my parents thumb and stupid rules. When I joined the navy my own mother told me I wouldn't last two weeks there.....well I went all the way through boot camp without one single demerit or hit, or bad mark the entire time I was there....ZIP!! And ended up making it a very successful 22 year career! So much for mummy's ideas. So I can sympathize a little with Harry. I'm sure the Bullshitte of being a royal is a huge ROYAL pain in the arse. So good on him to cast off the crap and make his own way. I can respect that.

Regarding his wife. Don't know squat about her and you all know I don't think much of hollyweird types. I hope for his sake and the kid's this is not a mistake, but I can't say anything on that as it took me two failed marriages to finally find the right gal for me.

As for US taxes I think he's already on a hook here.
If you are physically present in the U.S. for at least thirty-one days in a tax year and a total of at least 183 days in a tax year in the U.S., then you will be subject to U.S. income taxation on your world-wide income under the same laws and tax rates as a U.S. citizen

I can say that if he were to get divorced in California he would totally be SCREWED BLUE AND TATTOOED!! Trust me on that. She would take him for everything he had, has, and will ever have!

How this whole mess is going to turn out, who can say. I don't wish any ill upon him or his spouse. They could turn out to be total turds, or do great things, but I don't fault him for trying. Hell that's why most of our ancestors came to this country, to make their own way. Nothing wrong with that. YMMV
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
On a side note:
Had a gent I met in Hospital Corps School right after boot camp. He had joined the navy to get away from his dad and step-dad both of whom were STUPID RICH and constantly trying to buy his attention and affection. He wanted to be his own man without their interference. Well we were at Camp Pendleton together and he wanted to buy a car. He'd saved up his own money for a good down payment and asked me to help him pick out a vehicle. We found one he liked and that he could afford. He filled out the loan app and was told to come back in two days and everything should be good.

So we go back to check on the loan and the salesman comes out and hands him the keys. My buddy asks where do I sign. The salesman told him it's paid for nothing to sign. WHAT? Seems somehow one of his dad's had found out he was applying for a loan and simply bought it for him. My buddy tossed the keys back to the salesman and said "I don't want it?" and walked away.

I kind of think that's what's going on with Harry. Like my buddy it was not important that he had stuff, but that HE EARNED IT ON HIS OWN!! THAT, I can understand and respect. Now whether that's true in Harry's case I don't know, but I hope so. In a way it's thumbing his nose at that royal pedigree and privilege, and I can support that. That is kind of the American way don't you think. Again, YMMV.
 

WTSR

Veteran Member
Just a weird thought. What if Prince Harry becomes an American Citizen. He's currently sixth in line to the throne so not much of a chance of him becoming king. He really has nothing left to lose. He's stepped away from the royal duties and thus lost some of his honorary appointments, but so what. What has he got to lose at this point. I realize that most Americans could care less, same as me. I was just wondering. I think it would really piss off the royal family which I also think would be just fine. Just wonder if he might do that.

He'll probably be elected President, I don't think laws matter anymore.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
I said two years ago they should keep her US citizenship but live domiciled in Canada, she had a residence in Toronto. That was how they met at the Invictus Games up there.

They could have had a nice quiet life in exile up there and with more support for ex royals than here. As soon as I heard she wanted to live in California, I knew her ambition would be coming to the fore. Harry is very grounded and service oriented, his Invictus Games as a kind of Olympics for wounded veterans was a huge success. He could have had a great life in Canada., maybe even entering politics. (its not too late Harry, you can always relocate north with or without her)

But the minute Meghan let Oprah micro manage their marriage and public perception as their handler, all credibility flew out the window. Oprah brought an entourage for their royal nuptials and they chose to invite her but snub inviting Trump and Melania, as acting heads of state for a royal event? Total blunder of protocol all over pressure from Meghan's woke diversity fan girls. He's not in charge, his wife is.

Go back and look at pictures of Charles and Diana wedding and what heads of state wrere there in 1981.

Oprah is making several million in ad revenue off this interview tonight, so she wins no matter what. And has been a negative busybody interference in their marriage from the minute they said I DO. I would never have invited her to the royal wedding and let that whole 'celebrate Africa' circus eclipse their day. Meghan is probably very sweet in real life but Girl, you need to let HARRY make the decisions and back off from Hollywood. Harry was betrayed by Californians already in that series of "Gotcha!" photos in the Las Vegas suite sold to papparazzi. Go to Canada Harry and run like hell from Hollywood while you can

Harry needs to wash his hands of OPRAH ASAP and get her Mammy in the Big House mentality out of their lives.
 
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SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
Stoopid Amerikans don't think..........why else would Butcher B*den be allowed to vilely destroy our Constitutional foundations and brag about all "their" filthy intentions???????? Stoopid zombie Amerikans............What did Ovomit bring but sorrow, division, and woe.........it's what they do all the time, anywhere....
 
I was hoping there would be a thread, this morning, on the bally-hooed interview with Oprah, last night!

Am amazed and disappointed to find nothing....l got involved with doing something and forgot to watch it, but was sure l would find a juicy run-down on TB2K!
 
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