What Have We Preppers Learned from Katrina?

TJA

Veteran Member
In addition to a lot of what was said by others above I think one of the biggest for me personally was that the truck I bought four years ago was an even bigger mistake than I thought. I really wish I had a diesel truck.

I now regularly check the water temperatures from FL to NY.

I bought additional cat carriers after Katrina. Although we've had a new kitten added to the family that doesn't have his own yet. :rolleyes:

The most important thing I learned though is that I've got a lot of work ahead of me still. :shk:
 

hitssquad

Inactive
How to prove to police that you legally own your property

Barry Natchitoches said:
How do we prove that we legally purchased the stuff after the fact
nononsenseselfdefense.com/homesecurity.html#burglarize


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Tip #20 Etch your name on all electronic equipment TV/stereo/computer and then tape it

Etching, in and of itself serves as a deterrent in case of a break in, failing that it greatly assists the police in the recovery of your property

Reason : Items with your name and address cannot be easily sold. The reason for this is that anyone buying them is buying something that can easily be proven to be stolen property and they know it. What protects most buyers of stolen goods is the fact that it is difficult to prove something is stolen property. However, a name and address on an item combined with a police report is a fast way to end up in the county jail for possession of stolen property -- even if the person who has it bought it off the burglar. As such, why steal something that you a) can't sell, b) if you are caught with you're definitely going to jail for?

Although it is better to record serial numbers, a faster way to assist the police in recovery is to video tape every room and all the items in them. As you tape say what it is (for example Sanyo TV, Hitachi DVD player, etc.,) Title the tape something like "Family Reunion" or something you will remember and put it in your video collection. This way, if items are stolen you can give the tape to the police, video and the etching will identify your property when the police encounter it. Which quite often they do, being called to homes where stolen property is present, but without a means to identify it as such, they cannot prove it. Also send a duplicate copy to a relative.
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momof23goats

Deceased
If yo ulive in 'cane country, be ready to getout fast. have bob packed, car or truck packed to the max. and leave early. do not expcet help from any one you are on your own .
 

JeanCat

Veteran Member
Barry Wrote:

"But in addition, one surprise (something even I did not know pre-Katrina) is that there are times when you cannot get a phone call out, but you can get a text message out."


ALong the same lines...during/after Katrina we couldn't make phone calls altho we could get a dial tone...but using the laptop running off the battery I could send e-mail to relatives in NH, CA and TX who were able to forward messages to others. We were able to let them know we were OK, but could also have gotten help if needed.
 

A.T.Hagan

Inactive
What I learned from Katrina is that a vast number of people simply don't learn from anything that doesn't half-kill them and some of them won't even learn from that.

Florida was hit by FIVE named storms the year before Katrina, but it doesn't seem to have taught a huge number of people any lesson at all. Didn't teach many Floridians much either judging from what the news was showing after Wilma came through. I finally had to quit reading the stories because they were running up my blood pressure.

Forget the government, forget the Red Cross, forget the Salvation Army. Hurricane season comes around the same time every year and we've had two years running now with massive storm hits. Anyone that hasn't gotten the message by now is too stupid to ever get it except maybe if they should happen to survive a direct hit themselves. Maybe then they'll wake up. Prepare yourself and your family. Try to help your neighbors prep too if you can because when it hits the fan they are the ones you are going to have to rely on just as they will have to rely on you. If you're a church goer then try to get your church actively involved in prepping as well because they are local, you all know each other, and they'll be one of the first on the scene to be able to do anything.

When the predators and looters come out of the woodwork you and your neighbors standing together will be able to do what the National Guard and Blackwater cannot.

.....Alan.
 

hitssquad

Inactive
momof23goats said:
If yo ulive in 'cane country, be ready to getout fast.
Why?
timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1885301#post1885301

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Amanda Blue

Inactive
The one thing I learned is no matter what DO NOT go to a government shelter. Other then that if a hurricane is coming, leave early or don't leave at all.
 

hitssquad

Inactive
You Will Survive Doomsday, and its lessons on public shelters

Amanda Blue said:
The one thing I learned is no matter what DO NOT go to a government shelter.
I learned that previously from reading "You Will Survive Doomsday".
http://www.ki4u.com/survive/doomsday.htm#myth_01

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Although the blast protection in an underground shelter is much superior to being above ground there are reasons that one is better off staying in their high-rise apartment rather than going to a large public shelter if they feel there is little or no danger of blast.

The public shelters have no supplies and no equipment. The average designated public shelter is supposed to shelter over three thousand people. Can you imagine the anarchy and conditions there? Without food, the first to die will be infants who are not being breast fed. Other early candidates will be persons who require special medications (especially the elderly) and anyone who happens to be injured.

Not only will deaths have negative psychological effects on the survivors, they will create severe sanitation problems. There will be enough sanitation problems anyway if the water and sewage systems are not working. Most of the designated shelter locations do not have sanitary provision for three thousand people in the first place.
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ejagno

Veteran Member
I was not a victim of Katrina but of Rita. Just to set the record straight on "Government Shelters" as so many have referenced here..................ALL SHELTERS were not and can not be compared to the news frenzy that surrounded the Superdome. The Superdome was NOT designated as a government shelter. It was just a last resort to get enough people gathered in one location to get them the hell out since they used poor judgement and stayed despite the warnings.

Before Rita hit us we opened up and sheltered 4000+ Katrina victims. With the help of the local citizens, businesses and several groups and organizations we took exceptional care of these nice people. They had beds, blankets, pillows, first aid stations stocked and manned 24/7 by great doctors and dentists, tv rooms for the adults, tv/dvd/video games for kids viewing room/ counselors 24/7, internet room with 25 computers, ate 3 hot cajun meals and two snacks every day in addition to huge labor day barbeque and games, outdoor basketball courts, tennis courts, water falls and playground, prayer services, beauty salon(no charge), music to lull them to sleep at night by live jazz band, laundry services at no charge, security, full showers and all of the toiletries and ammenities one might need from toothpicks to tampons free of charge. We treated them with respect (treat others how you would want to be treated) and in turn they never passed one of us without a hug or a great big Thank You. It wasn't the government, it was neighbors helping neighbors. If you learn nothing else from a hurricane then it's to help others and treat them the way you would want to be treated.

I lost my home, my business was damaged and I'm currently going through my 3rd round of mold and bacterial poisoning so next on my list would be plenty of gloves and face masks.

Next would be DO NOT TRUST ANY CONTRACTORS. Sorry if any of you are contractors but in the wake of our destruction the worst of your profession has relocated to our area and I found all of them..................the hard way.
 

hitssquad

Inactive
Why Monolithic Domes survive floods better than the average construction

ejagno said:
I'm currently going through my 3rd round of mold and bacterial poisoning so next on my list would be plenty of gloves and face masks.
http://www.monolithic.com/pres/flooding

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Flooding is a disaster with often enormous ramifications. The Monolithic Dome offers some protection against common problems associated with flooding.

Flood waters carry bacteria, debris, feces, silt, and organic material. Hollow walls filled with water carrying these materials provide ideal conditions for mold to grow and propagate. If the hollow walls can not be cleaned or dried, they can harbor pathogens for months or years.

The Monolithic Dome walls are not hollow. When the water recedes they can be surface cleaned and be as good as new. Interior walls are generally steel stud with sheet rock on them. The sheet rock can be replaced at a reasonable cost. This means the structure can be put back in use soon after the flood subsides.
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Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
ejagno said:
I was not a victim of Katrina but of Rita. Just to set the record straight on "Government Shelters" as so many have referenced here..................ALL SHELTERS were not and can not be compared to the news frenzy that surrounded the Superdome. The Superdome was NOT designated as a government shelter. It was just a last resort to get enough people gathered in one location to get them the hell out since they used poor judgement and stayed despite the warnings.

Before Rita hit us we opened up and sheltered 4000+ Katrina victims. With the help of the local citizens, businesses and several groups and organizations we took exceptional care of these nice people. They had beds, blankets, pillows, first aid stations stocked and manned 24/7 by great doctors and dentists, tv rooms for the adults, tv/dvd/video games for kids viewing room/ counselors 24/7, internet room with 25 computers, ate 3 hot cajun meals and two snacks every day in addition to huge labor day barbeque and games, outdoor basketball courts, tennis courts, water falls and playground, prayer services, beauty salon(no charge), music to lull them to sleep at night by live jazz band, laundry services at no charge, security, full showers and all of the toiletries and ammenities one might need from toothpicks to tampons free of charge. We treated them with respect (treat others how you would want to be treated) and in turn they never passed one of us without a hug or a great big Thank You. It wasn't the government, it was neighbors helping neighbors. If you learn nothing else from a hurricane then it's to help others and treat them the way you would want to be treated.

I lost my home, my business was damaged and I'm currently going through my 3rd round of mold and bacterial poisoning so next on my list would be plenty of gloves and face masks.

Next would be DO NOT TRUST ANY CONTRACTORS. Sorry if any of you are contractors but in the wake of our destruction the worst of your profession has relocated to our area and I found all of them..................the hard way.



This is true, and I hope that nothing I said might have sounded like I was saying all shelters are like the Superdome.


They are not. Heck, I have worked in or managed many Red Cross shelters including one for Katrina evacuees in the Memphis area.


No they are not all bad, but on the other hand, they are not all good either.


I guess that I just don't want to take the chance that my family would end up in one of the bad ones. My family is the most important folks on the face of this earth to me, and I only want them to have the best.


So I would rather do everything I can to provide for them myself, because I KNOW I have their best interest in mind.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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What I have changed is this;

I now have one credit card reserved for "instant cash" to get me outa harm's way.

I have a cash reserve I am building up in case I need to "start again" someplace else.

Next I have the items I would need to bug out with ready to go.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They don't learn

To paraphrase Alan, 'The vast majority don't learn from anything that doesn't half kill them."
One of the area newspapers did a story immediately after the storm regarding conditions here in Hancock County, Katrina's real 'ground zero.' They noted that cash was virtually useless, as there was nothing to buy. What was valuable were barter items and they listed the most desireable items as gasoline, cigarettes and beer!
We were safely camped in a state park near the TN border, so I didn't have to deal with the worst of this, but I did come down here several times right after the storm to rescue a family member and to bring in relief convoys. The one really huge issue was FUEL.
People were desperate for gasoline and even the county supervisors were asking me and the relief crew(s) to bring in more fuel. The county needed diesel. The sheeple needed gas.
Virtually all of the stories you heard about people running out of fuel on evacuation routes involved gasoline. Do not rely on the commodity that everyone else desperately needs! You put yourself in an untenable situation that way.
By converting to diesel, you avoid most of these problems. For a considerable period, gasoline was scarce until you were well north of Jackson, MS. On the other hand, I was able to find diesel even in some of the hardest hit areas!
I saw countless vehicles stranded for lack of gas, though never had that problem because of our diesel vehicles and stored fuel. There were lines up to and over a mile long at those few stations selling gasoline in the area. Armed security and deputies were at many stations to keep order and there were innumerable reports of bad bad behavior in these lines. I never had to wait for fuel. In every case (where a station was open), I just pulled right up to the diesel pumps.
No, I didn't actually need the fuel because of our stores, but I was curious to see how hard it would be to get it and it's good practice to keep the tanks topped up in any case. Diesel is much easier - and much safer - to store.
There's yet another thread going about generators. I already put my 2 cents in about diesel there, but one more thing I'll note is that there were countless folks here on the coast who had gasoline generators and yet wound up living by candles after a couple of days when they ran out of gas and couldn't get any more.

Best regards
Doc
 

Desperado

Membership Revoked
Amongst everything else mention:
If you have to leave your home.......definetly the last resort
then don't plan on returning to it right after the storm.
One of the biggest reasons people don't evacuate is that after the storm the government will restrict your movement back to your home. It could be awhile before you can assess the damage.
Just remember that the government is not your friend.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
one good point about a monolithic concrete dome home (that hitsquad keeps mentioning) is the fact that it's very hard for anyone to get inside it. steel faced doors that deadbolt into concrete are very hard to penetrate. you can then simply not answer the door when the gvmt decides to 'rescue' your preps.
 

Bird Guano

Inactive
Barry Natchitoches said:
What have we preppers learned from Katrina, and other major disasters of recent times, that we might incorporate into our own family's preparations for future events?

Never EVER EVER EVER go into any type of government "shelter", EVER.

Get out of town EARLY.

I also concur with the assessment that DIESEL is far, far better than gasoline for a number of reasons.
 

Castle

Contributing Member
From a prep standpoint...Katrina was the best thing that ever happened to me. My wife and I, along with our 1 and 2 year olds were visiting family in Mississippi when Katrina hit. We were on the east side of the state, about 140 miles north of Mobile, AL. We had a relatively safe place to stay with the in-laws. We elected to shelter in place rather than battle the hordes of evacuees, shortages of gas, and lack of motel/hotel space that was reported on our route home.

My wife and I have been prepping for several years, but I was much more dedicated than her....she basically put up with my purchases, but was never involved with the actual buying decisions.

The town we were in took a pretty good hit from the storm. Thousands of trees down, and hundreds of homes and businesses damaged. For 7 days we had no power, phones, cable t.v, or cell phones (all the towers were damaged). My FIL had a generator, so we were able to get some t.v. from a 20 year old tv with rabbit ears still in their attic. All of these new fangled flat screen/h.d t.v.s are useless with no cable or satellite input. Only 1 local radio station was able to broadcast, and they announced that water was also to be rationed. The city has 2 water treatment plants, one was completely knocked out, and the other was pumping at reduced capacity on a back-up generator.

We had it pretty good, considering. We had a generator, we had freezers and refrigerators, we had a BBQ grill with plenty of fuel. The generator was a gas hog, though. My FIL is a closet prepper, but we only had 2 five gallon cans, and 2 one gallon cans to hold gas. It became a real chore to locate gas for the cans. Most places in town were either out of gas, or had no power to pump it. When we did find a place, it was $3.50 a gallon, cash only, with a $25.00 limit per fill up.

I took my wife with me a couple of times to look for gas for the cans. It was the best thing I could have done. She got to see first hand, people panic. There were unbelievable lines for the few gas stations that were up and running. We witnessed two guys go for the same pump at the same time and end up in a fist fight. There were no ATMs working, and people were desperate for cash. We got $1000 in cash before the storm hit, and I was thankful. I took her to the grocery store, and the Super Wal-Mart. We had plenty of food, but I wanted her to see what was going on. The stores were empty of just about everything. Even though there were few things on the shelves, the stores were crowded, and people had this air of fear about them. It was total chaos. The town didn't really have many looting cases, but it wouldn't have taken much to set things on fire.

We ended up staying in Mississippi seven days after Katrina hit. By then, the roads were clear enough to travel safely back home. Pretty much the whole way home, my wife was full of questions about our preps. She was surprised to learn that the big rubbermaid box in the back of our van was full of preps. Whenever we travel, I pack a big box with enough gear to get us to safety....rucksack, small tent, blankets, MRE's, water filters, flashlights, wind-up radio, a Glock 22 with 100 rounds of ammo, one of my shorty M4s with 9 30 round mags, a vest to hold all the ammo, etc. I always told my wife it was emergency supplies in case we got stranded. She thought it was like jumper cables, tools, flares, etc.

Anyway, it has been a year since Katrina. We have come together as a team about prepping, and our lifestyle. We have dedicated a regular part of our budget towards preps. We have expanded our prepping from just emergency supplies to get by, to a lifestyle. Our home is up for sale. We are moving to Mississippi as soon as it sells. We purchased 20 wooded acres, adjacent to my BIL's 155 Acres, far enough from town to be a bitch of a hike. The nearest town is less than 50K, still crowded, but a lot better than the 1.8 million in the metro area where we currently live. The new home is going to incorporate many aspects of "retreat architecture". My wife's car is 11 years old. Instead of getting a newer car, she told me she wants a real wood burning stove/oven/water heater from Lehman's. We are going to put it in the canning shed, but have enough extra flue piping to move it into the house if need be. Can it get any better?

All in all, Katrina was a very positive experience for me and my family. We were fortunate that none of our loved ones were killed or injured. Several of our family members lost homes, but their insurance is covering the damage. My family was never in need for food, shelter, or security. However, we got to see firsthand others who were not so fortunate. We also got to see just how different people act under pressure. You can think you are prepared for something, but no one really knows how things will be when TSHTF.
 

Gizmo

Veteran Member
Dont depend on help from the government - it is not their job anyway. It is your job.
Dont take in strangers to your home. They will just screw you.
Don't give money to the Red Cross, church or any other organization. Search out an individual or family to help yourself. That way they may not spend your money on Gucci luggage or drugs.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
What have we preppers learned from Katrina, and other major disasters of recent times, that we might incorporate into our own family's preparations for future events?

Obtain large caliber fully automatic weapons to protect everything asap.:D

In reality, the obvious:

1. Use common sense. Don't ever try to stand up to a Cat 4 or Cat 5. I hear all the bravado and have read it here. Just go look at the pictures of Homestead AFB, after Andrew, which was allegedly designed for a Cat 5.

2. Use personal responsibility as your credo. Get your own supplies. Be prepared to take on local family members. Help those who are elderly or incapacitated to evacuate.

3. Remember your pets. For God's sakes people, that's not that hard. If you really love them, you'll do what's right.

4. Prep, prep, prep. Rotate, rotate, rotate.

To all of those in the "Cone of Death" every year, like myself, you have my prayers and best wishes.

Hopefully will see this map for many months to come:

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A.T.Hagan

Inactive
JohnGaltfla said:
Obtain large caliber fully automatic weapons to protect everything asap.:D

In reality, the obvious:

1. Use common sense. <strong>Don't ever try to stand up to a Cat 4 or Cat 5.</strong> I hear all the bravado and have read it here. Just go look at the pictures of Homestead AFB, after Andrew, which was allegedly designed for a Cat 5.
I wanted to repeat this one.

It can be the literal difference between living and dying.

.....Alan.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
A.T.Hagan said:
I wanted to repeat this one.

It can be the literal difference between living and dying.

.....Alan.

Which part A.T.?

The automatic weapons or fleeing a Cat 4 or Cat 5?

:D

(We can laugh now, it's the slow part of the season....)
 

AGreyMan

Contributing Member
Adgal:

I like the concise way you have put this. These are my feelings as well.

Stay Safe,
AGreyMan


adgal said:
I learned that too many people do rely on the government and when they are disappointed they get angry and they get dangerous.

I learned that the safest place to be is away - away from the crowds, away from the shelters, away from the "government."

I learned that what is "expidient" to local authorities could be the kiss of death to you and your loved ones.

I learned that the best and the worst come out in people during a crisis. And since I don't know who is going to do what - I rather just take my family and quitely go away.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I watched all the coverage, and I BOTH SAW(AND HEARD TESTIMONY FROM) HOME OXYGEN PATIENTS TURNED AWAY FROM HOSPITALS which they, like MY husband, were TOLD would be prepared to supply them oxygen in a disaster situation. Some of those folks VERY LIKELY DIED WITHOUT THEIR NORMAL, REQUIRED OXYGEN because they FOOLISHLY BELIEVED AND TRUSTED WHAT THE AUTHORITIES TOLD THEM.

Here in the Pacific Northwest, we could be suddenly subjet to "the big one" earthquake, a Puget Sound Seiche(inland Tsunami) and/or Volcanic eruption.
WE, IMMEDIATELY AFTER SEEING THAT ON TV, and DURING THE HURRICANE AFTERMATH, ORDERED A 1000 GALLON PROPANE TANK INSTALLED AND A PROPANE GENERATOR TO RUN AN OXYGEN GENERATING MACHINE. We abandoned any further trust in the patently worthless assurances we were given that his oxygen needs would be unfailingly met by others, even under disaster circumstances.

That was the one CRITICALLY weak spot in our "preps".
Most everything else has been covered. That proved to us we could not leave ANYTHING to others, especially life threateningly important things. Others did, they died, their trust betrayed. :shk:
 
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