…… What Does Living Off The Grid Mean to You?

adgal

Veteran Member
Hi!

I just got a contract to do a book for beginners about Living Off The Grid. When they first contacted me - it was more about sustainable living (preparedness, etc....) - now, the title has changed slightly.

When I think "living off the grid" - I think about solar power, windmills, etc...

What do you think when someone says "Living Off The Grid?"

P.S. I KNOW that my major acknowledgement will be to the folks here on the TB2K Forum who have taught me so much over the past 10 years!!!!

Thanks!!!
 

twincougars

Deceased
Living conservatively. You have to plan better and watch your electric power usage more closely. You have to check your batteries regularly. You need a little more technical know-how than the average Joe. Setting your inverter and power center options can be challenging, and if some error message comes up, you have to know how to deal with it. There is no endless supply like the grid (when the grid is working). You need to schedule high power use activities for when your batteries are already charged and you still have sun or wind power power coming in. Use only what you need and not what's just convenient.

Have confidence that when there's a bad storm and others are without power, you will still have it.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
we set up our solar array and batteries end of June 2009. there are some days we still have to turn on the utility to recharge the batteries, but generally we use very little that isn't from the sun. hope to add a wind turbine next year, and methane digesters and use the gas to run our generator as a replacement for the times we now use the utility power.
we still use propane for the gas stoves and water heater, but with the methane (from manure or algae) we will run stoves, water heater (pre-heated with solar hot water panels) the propane may become history. if that works out as hoped, i will try to increase production and convert the car/truck over to methane also (compressed gas). THEN i will consider us "off the grid"...
 

JF&P

Deceased
It means that only the people you allow will know where you are....(if you do it correctly)

:D
 

West

Senior
for me it would mean...

A whole lot of work. And freezing our arses off using a out house. He, it would also mean getting things done that should have already been done. And for the kids it would mean the end of the world as they knew it.
 

SIRR1

Deceased
Off the grid

Telephone, Internet ?

Truly off the grid no to both.

No municiple water or electric service.

You would have to produce your own electric power either trough solar or wind using battery banks to store your power and I guess a genny for emergency situations.

Normal house plumbing with a deep well and septic system would have to figured into your daily power needs.

If you can produce enough power to cover your needs and have excess then satellite tv and internet would be ok and yes it would be ok to use the local over the air HDTV service for cheap entertainment and News.

But if you really wanted to cut the cord then sat internet and phone service is out due to the possibility of getting tracked to your location by using either the net or cell phone service...

If you needed to go online a trip to the local public library or internet cafe would have to do.

Possibly one could use geothermal energy to heat and cool your home as a suppliment to a wood heated home inthe winter to keep the home in the mid 50's using geothermal alone, but this system would need to be figured into your daily power needs.

So in order to be really off the grid one would need a top of the line wind / solar power system which would run close to 100k for a commercial unit and 1/2 that for a home built system.

One of the problems I forsee is the local county and state govs loosing out on tax dollars from the grid and they might be slow to issue permits unless you were really on in BFE where no power lines run.

JMO!

Good topic!

SIRR1
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Wow!! Thanks for all the great answers. Reading through - I have another question.

Is living off the grid a "green" thing or a "protection" thing. Do you do it because you feel that wind power or solar power is the right thing to do...or is it because you don't feel the "GRID" is going to last very long.

And...is it also a really nice way to "get lost" so the wrong folks or a series of potential events can't hurt you and your family?

Thanks again!!!
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
"Living off the grid" is part of a more self sufficient lifestyle. By itself, it basically boils down to using as few "outside" sources of energy and/or information as possible. A lot of time, it is the first step in self sufficiency, and even a route to the several steps further, "going gray". Off the grid, usually starts with creating your own power source, at least enough to take some of the load off of your power bill, and then moving on to not needing the power company at all. Yes, sometimes the cable TV and phone lines get cut as well, but mainly it is just the "power grid" that they get off of.

The next step is self sufficiency, and that is where you start needing less and less of the outside world on a LOT of different levels, including food production, waste management, and income streams (bartering). Basically anything that you used to go to the store to get, you now make yourself, OR make something that you can trade/barter for locally to get.

The next step is "going gray", and this just means that you are self sufficient enough that you can minimize the need for any outside trade, sale, purchase, or barter, because you have become either self sufficient enough to make what you need, or have learned how to deal without whatever you needed. These people are the kind that you RARELY see in public.

Going off grid CAN meld into these later phases, or stop at just the power generation. Most of the good books on this subject DO get into things past solar and wind generation of electricity, and delve into at least solar heating, and even into things like water pumping, and even biodiesel production. Check out the book: "The Renewable Energy Handbook" by William H. Kemp. It is a good book for both solar power and wind generation, but also gets into the specifics of heating, biodiesel and other things. At 400+ pages, it is a rather large book, but it does cover enough to get a person educated on these topics and teaches them the right way to do them.

Loup
 

momof23goats

Deceased
well, living off the grid for me, would be, using lanterns for light at night, and no computer to play on.

I do already heat with wood, cook with wood, and propane in the summer, so that would not change, what would change for me would be, using propane fridge, and a propane freezer, when I get those I will go off grid.

Will probably invest in a couple of good large wind gennies, for the purpose of running the well, and using some lights, or watching movies.

I still want to have at least 2 wells, with hand pumps, on the place.
growing our fruits veggies, and meats we already do. so nothing would change there at all.
 
Being totally literal, off the grid means no actual connection to the commercial power grid.

Off the grid could actually mean and/or use more "modern" conveniences than most of us have access to right now.

The term off the grid certainly can be used to describe a mindset as shown by the previous posts.

I don't think your question is being totally answered by this or any of the above posts but they seem to be supplying ammunition for your attack of the subject for an apparent commercial endeavor (no insult intended). :rdog:

Good luck,
Bob
 

Chair Warmer

Membership Revoked
What do you think when someone says "Living Off The Grid?"

For me, it means primitive camping.

I have spent one Winter living like that and don't care to again. I lived in an old 4 room house that was more of a shack. Cold wind would blow through the cracks between the gapped slats of the wooden door. We slept under a very heavy insulated sleeping bag. We had a little coal stove we burned wood in for heat that would only burn for a few hours at a time, leaving us freezing half way through the night. I would get water at a spring on the side of the road and haul it home in the car. I cooked and heated water for bathing and dishes on a two burner propane camp stove and I didn't have a refrigerator. I used a bucket for a potty and even though I emptied it out everyday, it still stunk so bad it would make any normal person gag.

I also spent nearly another year (my entire first pregnancy) living in another house without running water but did have electricity along with a refrigerator and electric cook stove. There was a pond up a very steep hill behind the house I would get water from in a 3 gallon jug and carry home to flush the toilet, bathe, and wash clothes and dishes in. Althought there was no running water, it did have plumbing so I could pour water into the kitchen sink and toilet to flush.

To bathe; The regular bathtub was too big to heat water for so I had two plastic dish pans that I would set side by side with a folded towel underneath them to catch any water drips. I sat in one pan and with bent knees put my feet in the other pan and that's how I took a full bath. To wash my hair I filled a 2-liter soda bottle up with water and poured it over my hair to wet for shampoo and rinse.

I had never washed clothes by hand before then and literally washed and wrung out clothes until my fingers bled. I had to stop washing the husband's heavy bluejeans after that and only washed the softer clothes and linens because my hands just couldn't take it.

There was a little brick building beside the pond that was infested with huge rats that could also get into the house. I had a rat run across me one night while laying in bed.

I came from a middle class family and first thought this lifestyle was quaintly nostalgic but quickly found myself traumatized by culture shock and realized I couldn't possibly adapt to such rugged conditions. I had to threaten to leave the (now ex) husband if we didn't have a rat-free home with running water in it before the baby was born. It was a horrible way of life, traumatic to endure, and I hope to never have to do so again!

*ETA: The reason for putting the towel under plastic tubs to catch drips instead of setting them inside the bathtub where water could drain out is because the bathroom was unheated and stayed too cold so I needed to bathe in the room near the woodstove.

A plumbed bathtub won't serve much purpose in Winter if the room isn't heated.

Mrs.Cw
 
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tm1439m

Veteran Member
Being totally literal, off the grid means no actual connection to the commercial power grid.

Off the grid could actually mean and/or use more "modern" conveniences than most of us have access to right now.

The term off the grid certainly can be used to describe a mindset as shown by the previous posts.

I don't think your question is being totally answered by this or any of the above posts but they seem to be supplying ammunition for your attack of the subject for an apparent commercial endeavor (no insult intended). :rdog:

Good luck,
Bob

Well said village idoit. Even Karl Childers(Billy-bob Thornton) knew when a lawn mower was out of gas. Welcome to tb2k.

I agree.

It is what you make of it.

A person says they are off the grid. But they buy the things supplied by the grid to substitute for the things needed to be "off the grid" then when the equipment breaks down they go back to the "grid people" to get help or things needed to continue their "off grid lifestyle."

They are really just substituting one form of reliance for another. Most on this forum talk a lot of junk but have no real experience to back that up(including me). They only know what they have read. They like to hear their heads rattling(me too). They have no clue what the term " off the grid" means.

Also there is more than one form of grid.
Electrical.
Water.
Sewer.
Types of communications.
Others.

Living off the grid is what the native Americans did.

I think most here actually want to get away from power/water/sewer bills and the like.
They still want to maintain as normal a life style as possible. They just want to pay big now to save in the long run.

Some actually want it for security in hard times.
 
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dieseltrooper

Inactive
Congrats on the contract! The angle that comes to mind other than becoming energy independent is dissociating you or your family from the mainstream system. Homeschooling to keep your kids out of the public school system. No ties to the banking system. Cash only, no electronic transaction footprints. Employment and income sources would be the hardest part for me personally, unless I take a guitar to the streets and make like Ralph Macchio in "Crossroads".:shr:
 

rafter

Since 1999
When we lived off grid....it was making your own electricity with solar...and now if we were to do it it would be wind. We did have a cell phone due to business. And we did use propane, which we hauled in ourselves in 100# bottles for cooking and hot water and refrigerator. We burned wood for heat.

At some point we will do it again as much as possible. Probably due to necessity due to some cap and trade crap that makes it impossible to be hooked to the grid due to price. As I have heard some talking heads say...if you make energy high enough people will use less...:kk1:
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
Well there are lots of answers for what being off the grid means. I originally always thought of it as Electricity only. Then have come to realize it as utilities.

I think unless you are using a horse and carriage, and all hand tools, you fall into the middle of the definition.

I think with a large percentage of middle income class Americans, it means starting out with something small to learn, like a 60 watt combo system from Harbor Freight.

Once you see the working components in hand you can grow your system into something that will provide knowledge and convenience. Although expensive, you'll eventually recognize, hey even with the power off, I can still do things and function like I did with all those utilities.

If lucky enough you might even realize that a lot of electronics, including inductive loads will out live their grid counterparts that are use to getting a beating from an ugly grid power source. And it is ugly if you ever get the opportunity to look at it sometime.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
You've got some good definitions already....I've lived 'off the grid' for quite a few years of my life, some as a child and some as an adult (I think the years spent in a little cabin in Alaska as a child are the reason it didn't bother me much as an adult -- what we grow up with is usually what we think of as 'normal').

What is the purpose of this book? Is it to encourage people to get off the grid? To encourage people who want to get off the grid? To help people figure out how to do it if they have no choice? (I would think the last one could be very useful at this point in time.) I'm just thinking that it might be good to start with the most basic kind of 'off the grid,' bare-bones, no energy substitutes such as solar or wind-power, and explain how to set up to live (as) comfortably (as possible) that way, then go on to tell them how to improve on that as they can manage it, by adding progressively larger alternative energy set-ups. Start out with the bare basics of shelter, clothing, cooking, hot water, laundry, bathing, heating the house, growing food -- what do you need in order to do this without having the kind of experience that Mrs. Cw told about in her post. Then add a few solar lights, then a gravity-fed water system or a hand pump on a shallow well, and go up from there. Even start with wilderness survival -- there are several people here who have plenty of experience at that, and I think there's even one or two who teach it. Then go up to a small cabin, and so on. (There is a family with three children over at HomesteadingToday who have a farm and live in a tiny house that is under three hundred square feet -- they would be a good resource on living in small spaces.)

One thing it's important to emphasize, because I don't think a lot of people really realize how hard this lifestyle can be for the woman of the family -- if you want to keep your marriage, even if you HAVE to live this way, take as good care of your wife as you possibly can. If she can see that you are doing as much as is humanly possible to lighten her load, she's a lot more likely to be willing to tolerate it even if she doesn't enjoy it.

And yes, I would include information on ALL aspects of going gray, not just living without power connected to your house. It might be a bit much for some people, but it would be very useful for many.

Kathleen

ETA: I could see this kind of book being very useful to people who are losing their home and have already lost their jobs -- if they can scrape up a couple thousand dollars, they can buy a little piece of land somewhere and camp on it while building a tiny house to live in. But too many people with that middle-class upbringing wouldn't even have a clue where to start, or even that it is possible.
 

adgal

Veteran Member
Thanks Freeholder! When I first applied for the book - they called it sustainable living and I thought - okay, we've been on a mini-farm for twenty years, we;ve raised animals, food, etc... And I've learned alot about prepping. So, I explained my background and got the job. However, when I received the contract - the focus changed slightly and that's why I was asking the question.

So the chapters are:

The Reality of Living Off the Grid
Getting Out of Debt
Generating Income Off the Grid
Buying/Locatin Land
Family Needs
Power Supplies
Developing Your Green Thumb
Starting An Orchard
Canning and Preserving Food
Building a Root Cellar
Saving Seeds
Beekeeping
Your Backyard Barnyard
Hunting
Processing Your Own Meat
Your Pantry
The Importance of Herbs
Water
Rodents, Critter and Pests
Emergency Preparedness
Starting Today


So - it's really going to be an overview book - rather than a indepth anything, because really that's a lot to cover in one book.
 
So - it's really going to be an overview book - rather than a indepth anything, because really that's a lot to cover in one book.
Kinda liberal with your understatements, ain'tcha?
Quite a job cut out for ya. I truly do wish you well.

I would bet some here, maybe even I might be able to shed a small amount of light on one or two of these individual headings.

Bob
 

Blizzard

Senior Member
We don’t live “off the grid” but when “the grid” goes down (power failures, loss of phone line, loss of internet satellite, no propane delivery for the year) or a disaster strikes (severe winter storm, flooding, forest fire, etc.) we easily take it in stride. There is no change in lifestyle.

What it means to us is:

+ Flipping a switch and watching a DVD in 5.1 stereo when the grid power fails (has become a routine – something psychological there).
+ Downgrading to dial-up when the satellite fails.
+ Picking up a radio and checking on the neighbors, fire station or EMA when the phone lines fail.
+ Contacting the wife 1,000 miles away without computer, telephone or cell reception.
+ Looking at a full indoor wood rack and smiling, knowing we don’t have to go outside in the blizzard.
+ A hot shower even without propane.
+ Having running water under pressure when the well pump fails.
+ Trying to decide what to eat from the food storage even though we haven’t been off the mountain in a month.
+ Smiling in my pajamas when it is -18F outside and know nothing important is going to freeze.
+ Knowing that despite the windstorm and all the trees across the road, you will be home shortly (with a slightly sore back and a chainsaw blade that needs sharpening).
+ Having “words” with the deer “Either you eat the deer corn and stay away from my apple trees or we will feast of venison tonight!”
+ Losing a good tarp to a bear, but having a bear wall hanging at the end of the week.
+ Knowing exactly what is going on in the community, state, country and world all on battery power and without TV reception (for 11 years).
+ Arguing with the neighbors about gets to play on their tractor to fix the washed out road while the other watch from their tractors and laugh so hard our sides hurt.
+ Being able to get off the mountain and anywhere we are needed when others can’t.
+ Leaving the house during a disaster to do my job (ED Physician/Disaster Mgt/Hazmat) and knowing everything at home will be all right.
+ Meeting any challenge thrown at us with a bit of experience and more confidence than we’ve ever had previous.

It basically means self-sufficiency and personal responsibility.
 
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Seeker

3 Bombs for Hawkins
For some it would also mean moving to a more moderate climate or more favorable living conditions. I can't imagine living in a high-rise city apartment and walking upstairs 20 floors or more, carrying only the groceries you can use that day. And places like the Arizona desert, during summer, without a water source close by? Air conditioning and irrigation made the desert livable. Without them, these population centers would shift.
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
We lived off the grid in the extreme of climate conditions snowed in from mid Nov. to the last week of May with winter temperatures of -60 it wasn't that hard in fact it was the best time of my life. No phone, electricity, or running water. We had a well and an outhouse but come winter there was so much snow we couldn't even find the well so we melted snow. We had 3 wood stoves to heat the 3 room cabin I did spend a lot of time in the summer cutting fire wood. I had horses and a canoe that I used to run my trap lines in the fall.In the winter our transportation was a dog team that would get us to the end of the road (10 miles away) where our Scout was parked. I hunted, trapped and fished for all of our meat and traded for the vegetables in the summer that we dried. Our income was from my trap lines the furs that I sold. We did have a battery operated radio so we could find out what was happening in the rest of the world. For light we had kerosene lamps and then we bought propane lights from an RV supply they worked great and with one 100 pound tank we had light for 6 months.

In the winter everything in the cabin froze if it was -40 outside it was -40 inside until the stoves were going. All of our vegetables were dried and the meat frozen (learned a lot about dealing with cold and snow).

The best part was I looked forward to getting up in the mornings every day was a new adventure I had no idea what would happen on the trap lines. I didn't have someone telling me I had to be some where at a certain time or anyone threatening to fire me. The only thing I had to worry about (which I didn't) was making it back alive at the end of the day.
 

Tygerkittn

Veteran Member
In movies when someone has "gone off the grid" it means the surveillance grid, and they can't find them, in other words they're not using credit cards or ATMs or anything that would show where they are.
I think being off the grid can mean that you're not dependent on society for anything you need, or it can mean "you're off the power grid" and not hooked up to any utility systems, or you're "off the surveillance grid" and not using banks or credit cards or ID (that's really more "going grey" but not in movies!) and additionally you can be "off the grid" socially and not participating in society, ie: watching TV, reading newspapers, watching movies, or generally being brainwashed by social engineering.
I'd like to be all of the above, but that's just me.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Off the grid to me used to me living where the power company has no electricity coming into the area.

now it means to me that you have to provide all of the infrastructure yourself. There is no electricity company, no phone company, no hookup to water company and no hookup sewer treatment plant.

So that means you make your own electricity, have satellite dish for TV, Internet & phone, you have propane delivery only if they deliver that far, you have your own water well and use use a septic system.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
No public utilities or services basically, as those items are grid powered. In a broader sense I assume it's having the ability to live with no outside contact if necessary.

Personally, it means I'm too financially strapped to properly prep and my future safety is in question because of my inability to live off the grid. I've done the best I can, God will have to fill in the gaps. ;)
 

denfoote

Inactive
Hi!

I just got a contract to do a book for beginners about Living Off The Grid. When they first contacted me - it was more about sustainable living (preparedness, etc....) - now, the title has changed slightly.

When I think "living off the grid" - I think about solar power, windmills, etc...

What do you think when someone says "Living Off The Grid?"

P.S. I KNOW that my major acknowledgement will be to the folks here on the TB2K Forum who have taught me so much over the past 10 years!!!!

Thanks!!!

Furgitaboutit, windmills are a pain, for that matter so is solar.
It's not just the fact that you have to get up there and clean the damn things, but in order to make the system work, you need batteries, large ones. You have to keep after them or you will be SOL.
How do I know this???
Here is a picture of my late father's house.

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Built between Snowflake and Concho AZ, it was "off the grid". He had both solar and wind generators. He also had a big battery room. Both were a pain. He designed the poles so that the entire setup could be brought down for maintenance. This was a monthly thing. The solar panels needed to be cleaned and the bearings, blades, and generator on the windmill needed to be inspected. In order to do this, you pretty much have to be an Engineer, like Dad was, a Electronic Engineering Tech like me, or pay someone to come out and do the stuff.

Here's my suggestion. Spend the money, have 'em come out and put the unit in, then relax and enjoy!!

http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/index.html

Hyperion Power Generation Inc. is a privately held company formed to commercialize a small modular nuclear reactor designed by Los Alamos National Laboratory (“LANL”) scientists leveraging forty years of technological advancement. The reactor, known as the Hyperion Power Module (“HPM”), designed to fill a previously unmet need for a transportable power source that is safe, clean, sustainable, and cost-efficient.
 

oldtimer

Inactive
Partial doable total more difficult

Unless you have few personal responsibilities, some form of maintainable income, and own unfettered livable property in a rural area with sufficient natural solar input going completely off the grid is probably undo able.

Going partial makes good sense based on the current technology and upcoming advances.

A 100 - 200 watt battery charge system, a good converter package is a good start.

Electronic equipment including computers are becoming available in the 5 to 10 watt range. LED lighting is approaching a solar sustainable level.

An initial small system will not run afoul of (insane) Neighborhood Associations, and other issues and will begin to move you toward understanding energy usage relative to your needs.

For most of us it is a process not a total break.
 

CrabGrassAcres

Contributing Member
I've lived with and without solar power and no electrical grid connection. I really liked having a few fans, lights and running water but could live without them. Hot weather is much more comfortable with a fan and a fan will move heat from the woodstove around the living area so it is more comfortable in winter. I don't like the smell of kerosene and you have to be able to resupply. Candles can be made but don't give a lot of light. They also flicker and that gives me a headache. A 25watt 12vdc fluorescent light can make a huge difference. Hang it behind your chair, over the tomato plants in the window and have tomatoes all winter.
Solar is great for a few electronics too.
The big down side of solar is you have to have batteries. They aren't cheap and don't last as long as the panels. I still have panels (stored) but need a new battery bank.

Propane refrigerators are nice to have if you can keep them supplied with propane, but really are a luxury. A couple of nice goats for milk and some poultry for eggs and use one or more of the old ways for preserving meat, have a kitchen garden and dry the fruits and veggies, you can live without a fridge. We lived without one for about 3 yrs. You can adapt.

I've lived without running water too. Rather have it. Did laundry by hand for too, too many yrs. LOVE my washer and dryer! I think those are the biggest labor savers every made. Where ever you are, you need your own water source. I've hauled water on a trailer over 9 miles of rough road and it wasn't any fun. I've also melted a lot of snow (we lived in Colorado.) A spring is best, next best is a well that isn't too deep for a handpump.

If you want to go off grid, lose the carpet. Running a vacuum nearly always requires a good size gen set. Try to avoid generators, especially if you can't repair them yourself and produce your own fuel.

I use the pressure canner a lot now and have a fair number of lids, etc, but wouldn't want to have to can on a wood stove. So probably wouldn't use it if I didn't have propane. Boiling water bath canning would be ok on the wood stove, but you can't do everything with BWB safely.

Just a few rambling thoughts.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Adgal, I personally think that many people will have different replies as to what is 'Living Off The Grid' for them. But of course most will be still having the house and amenities as they have when are connected to the grid. I read a good book last summer that was by a British Author entitled, 'Off The Grid'. I have forgotten his name though. Also Congratulations for the offer and contract.

But as for myself, this is already how much I live for most of the year. And that is wandering around in the wilderness and just living with foraging off the land (like the many edible plants for instance) with what the land and the wilds provide a good part of the time. I have been living this way for over 30 years. I am usually here in town during the winter. But come spring, do head out into the deep wilds to wander about and live. In the early spring and later fall, might be in the Southern Utah Canyon Country like deep somewhere in the Escalante Canyons. But then come May to September or October, deep into the Backcountry and so Wild Yellowstone Absaroka Country. Here I might only come out only several times back into town during the whole summer. And it is just Absolutely Fabulous!!! It is like living in Paradise which it actually is in how many respects. The land will provide for everything you need if you just know the old ways. Now am seriously contemplating in starting to just wander and live in the deep wilds year round with the way now that this present day society is freaking getting so absolutely insane. I trust it far more back in those deep wilds with the Grizzlies then being in this crazy modern day insane society. Also for those that just want to go back and live simple like in the deep wilds in the old ways, there is sooooo much so called empty and wild country left here beyond the end of the road where the trails and life begin. That what 'Living Off The grid means To Me'. It is getting my pack and wandering back and living in the old ways of Balance and harmony in that deep back wilds beyond the end of the road. But one has to watch out for in this modern day world and that is one thing that is against the law, and that is being a Hunter-Gatherer in the Old ways. Wishing You the Best!
 

Chair Warmer

Membership Revoked
Built between Snowflake and Concho AZ, it was "off the grid". He had both solar and wind generators. He also had a big battery room. Both were a pain. He designed the poles so that the entire setup could be brought down for maintenance

How did it stay cool enough in Summer?

Cooling can be a huge problem for some people. If you expect to live without it, it's best to plan for natural cooling with the structure and the placement of it's location such as high ceilings with a route for wind travel through the home (see architecture for old shotgun homes) and have a basement. Brick siding seems helpful in keeping homes cool and warm too. Light colored shingles are best. Locating your home in the woods or planting shade trees around the home is helpful in keeping it cool.

Living without a cooling system in an aluminum sided trailer in direct sunlight can get too hot in the Summer months to stay indoors for any length of time.

Nomatter what your structure, without cooling you will often need to keep the windows open so you're going to need extra planning for security issues, like having a dog patrol security squad.

Mrs.Cw
 

Chair Warmer

Membership Revoked
I am usually here in town during the winter. But come spring, do head out into the deep wilds to wander about and live. In the early spring and later fall, might be in the Southern Utah Canyon Country like deep somewhere in the Escalante Canyons. But then come May to September or October, deep into the Backcountry and so Wild Yellowstone Absaroka Country. Here I might only come out only several times back into town during the whole summer. And it is just Absolutely Fabulous!!! It is like living in Paradise which it actually is in how many respects. The land will provide for everything you need if you just know the old ways.

Do you take your food or eat from the wild? If you eat mostly from the wild, could you give an example of what you'd eat over the course of a few days. Thanks!

Mrs.Cw
 

bbbuddy

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How did it stay cool enough in Summer?

Cooling can be a huge problem for some people. If you expect to live without it, it's best to plan for natural cooling with the structure and the placement of it's location such as high ceilings with a route for wind travel through the home (see architecture for old shotgun homes) and have a basement. Brick siding seems helpful in keeping homes cool and warm too. Light colored shingles are best. Locating your home in the woods or planting shade trees around the home is helpful in keeping it cool.

Living without a cooling system in an aluminum sided trailer in direct sunlight can get too hot in the Summer months to stay indoors for any length of time.

Nomatter what your structure, without cooling you will often need to keep the windows open so you're going to need extra planning for security issues, like having a dog patrol security squad.

Mrs.Cw

We live in the same area.
It gets cool at night, because the elevation is 5400'. During the day in the summer it can get to 103-4...

When we finally build, it will be a high mass house (dry stack concrete-filled cinder block) with 2" insulation on the OUTSIDE.
The insulation will keep out the summer heat (open it up at night to cool down as much as possible) and hold in the winter heat.

Roof overhang on the south side of about 2' keeps out the summer sun, but lets in the winter sun.

We have been out here 7 years off grid. Love it!
 

Lone Eagle Woman

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Chair Warmer, I do both right now with taking in foods that are good for me that I purchase at the local store and then what I can get from the wilderness.

In what I bring in with me are Macaroni and Cheese (and I cook this over a fire for do not bring with me a stove), Almonds - Nuts, Beef or Buffalo Jerky, Powdered Milk, Fruit and Grain Bars, the flavored Oarmeal in packets (eat as is), some Chocolate like Nestle's Powder (my one addiction in life - chocolate), Tuna Fish in the packets, etc. etc.

Now some of the wild edible plants that are nutritious and is found commonly where I go in the deep Rockies - Yellowstone wilds are:

Spring Beauties - Common and Abundant with being found from April/May to August. They have a nice nutritious corm that can when cooked be just like potatoes. The whole plant is edible raw or cooked. The scientific name is Claytonia and they are found over a wide portain of North America. Grizzlies also love them. This plant comes out shortly after the snow melts and follows the snowline up the mountains from the lower meadows then to the high ridges and alpine basins in early summer.

Biscuitroot - Comes in the later spring thru the mid summer. It has a nice edible corm - root with the young shoots also being edible. The Indians and others would dry and then powder the root and make the flour into huge biscuits which could be carried. Grizzlies also feed of this plant extensively. It is edible both raw or cooked. Biscuitroot also can be used against colds and other similar illnesses. It is in the carrot family and one has to be careful with what they eat in the carrot family for there are some that are severly poisonous like hemlock. Biscuitrrot or Wild Parsley seen also in the spring in the Escalante Canyon Country.

Yampa - a common plant in the west and Yellowstone from mid summer into the fall. It is one of the best tasting roots in the Rockies. It was extensively used and even traded by the Indians and Mountain Men. It has a nice edible corm - root that is edible both raw or cooked. If one knows the seed head, the plant can be found after blooming in late fall or even the next spring when dried. It is a Great Wild Edible in the Rocky Mountain West.

Yarrow - this is more medicinal then anything with benefitting the inner digestive system. But in my summer wilderness wandering I make certain that I eat a few leaves everyday from this plant. Never have gotten ill by drinking the water when utilizing and eating a few Yarrow leaves every day in the summer in the High Country.

Camas - This plant has a good edible corm when cooked. This bulb like root was extensively used by the Indians. This is found in the Northern Rockies down to the Yellowstone Area with also over the Pacific Northwest. But for the bulb like root to be edible it has to be really cooked then the ingrediant Inulin in the root turns to Fructose. The iIndians would pit cook the
root over several days. In some tribes this made up a major portain of the tribe's vegetarian diet.

Wild Onions and Wild Chives - Where I go, Yellowstone's Thorofare, there are fields and fields of Wild Chives and how good tasting. One just needs the time to go out and forage for them, in early to mid and to late summer.

American Bistort - an common to abundant high country plant from early June thru the summer. It has a good nutritrious corm - root which can be eaten raw or cooked. Now it is espicelly good after being roasted. Grizzlies love them.

Dandelions (a great edible and medicinal with having a ton of vitamins), Thistles (like Celer and Grizzlies love them), Many a Wild Lily like Glacier Lilies, Yellow Frittilary, and Mariposa/Sego Lily (Sego Lily also seen in Southern Utah with along Lonely Lily in Southern Utah), Fireweed, Arrowleaf Balsamroot (An Edible but also an Medicinal with like Echinacea), Aspen Catkins in the spring (all poplars have some edible and medicinal qualities like a substitute for Aspirin), Horsetail (edible and helps with the enamel of the teeth. But be careful for can harm the B 1vitamins if eatten too much. Also Grizzlies eat this plant.) , Sheep Sorrel (a great trail nibble in the High Country, in folklore this plant helps against cancer), Shooting Stars ( In spring, a great trail nibble), etc. etc.

Wild Berries - there are many a wild berry that grows in mid to late summr which are excellent. One excellent which I love is the Whortleberry which is a small cousin to the blueberry and the huckleberry. Also Rose Hips are excellent in the fall and into the winter.

Pine Nuts - Now all five needle pines have pine nuts like the Pinyon Pine of the Southwest, the Whitebark of the Northern and Central Rockes, the Limber Pine, etc. Grizzlies in Yellowstone feed extensively off of the buts provided by the White bark Pine. Excellent in late summer and fall.

Also the Trout in the creeks and rivers. There is also a variety of Grouse Squirrels, Marmots and Small Game that can be utilzed also. Now with this, look at one's local hunting seasons and regulations. I am not going to say much here because of the local laws and regulations and I do not want to get into trouble. But Fish can be a big local item that can be used.

Chair Warmer, this is just some of the edible that can be utilized. As one can see it varies thruout the summer with in the spring mainly the Spring Beauty and Biscuitroot, then later the Bistort, Wild Onions and Chives, and Mariposa Lilies, then later the Yampa and the Pine Nuts and Berries. There is always if fishing, for to catch a Trout or such. Hope this helps but if not then be free to ask again. Hope you find this helpful. Wishing You the Best!
 
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