GUNS/RLTD We're being gaslighted on gun control!

twincougars

Deceased
Just go this letter from Frontsight (http://www.frontsight.com):


Did you see Obama's speech yesterday, calling for more gun control?

Did it make your blood boil?

It made a lot of people's blood boil because Gun Control is a BIG LIE and Obama is a master at the BIG LIE.

Responsible, sane Americans are being mentally abused.

Have you ever heard the term gaslighting?

Check it out at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception, and sanity.

Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim (Dorpat, 1994).

You are being told repeatedly by anti-gun advocates, politicians, and the media that they support the Second Amendment and that no one really wants to take your guns, yet the President is pushing Congress for more restrictive gun control legislation that will substantially impact your gun rights.

You're being told that the gun control measures they want to take are "reasonable" and reflective of "common sense," yet your own common sense makes it clear not a single measure being suggested would have prevented any of the mass shootings we've seen.

You are being told that law enforcement supports gun control when in fact law enforcement officers surveyed reject gun control.

You're being told that civilians have no need for an AR-15 or 30-round magazines, yet the people who seek to ban them are routinely protected by the same weapons with the same high-capacity magazines, along with their families.

You are being told that gun registration can help reduce violent crime; yet we know criminals are not going to register their guns, and every modern despot who came to power used gun registration to ultimately disarm the public before invoking tyrannical policies.

You will soon be told that the actions being taken are necessary to stop the senseless violence and murder of innocent children. Yet, effective solutions like armed security in schools or the elimination of gun-free zones where mass murders tend to occur, are dismissed outright, all while armed security protects the halls and residences of those in power.

To the weak minded these reforms will seem acceptable. Rest assured, however, that when the next mass murders occur, directly as a result of more gun control shifting the balance of power further into the hands of criminals by disarming the law abiding, the government will insist the changes did not go far enough and they will come after the remaining guns.

You are told gun confiscation will never happen, that gun registration is simply to prevent criminals from having guns, yet gun confiscation occurred after Hurricane Katrina and is happening now in the state of New York and in the state of California.

The Nazis understood the effectiveness of using authority to manage average people who were reluctant to believe that the regime would ultimately harm them. The Warsaw Ghetto, where the Nazis segregated Polish Jews before sending most of them to die in Treblinka during WWII is a good example. Initially the Jews vastly outnumbered their Nazi overlords yet these people complied with the edicts imposed upon them, thinking it wise to do so - until it was too late. The same was true of the Russians who were murdered under Stalin, the Cambodians under Pol Pot, the Rwandan Tutsis under the Hutus, and every other example of the imposition of tyranny.

Don't think it could happen here?

You are being Gaslighted. You are being told lies about the true intentions of those who seek to take your gun rights by attrition and they have much history to show them how to do it. 170 million people have fallen for this tactic and were eventually killed by their own governments.

Those who suggest this is happening are branded as paranoid conspiracy nuts, a tactic of the gaslighting process. The approach is as clever and effective as it is diabolical and many in America are falling prey to it.

Those who recognize it for what it is will face difficult choices -- comply or resist both of which carry adverse consequences.

We study history to understand where the future is likely to carry us and now you are living it. Either you are going to be a part of deciding your own destiny or you will allow others to determine it for you. I choose the former.

Make no mistake. ANY politician who introduces, supports, or votes for ANY gun control is either uninformed and uneducated on the subject or is knowingly violating our Second Amendment rights.

Either way, whether an idiot or a traitor, THEY NEED TO BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. Make sure they know, each and every day through an e-mail, a call or a letter that YOU ARE WATCHING THEIR EVERY MOVE on the gun issue.

Here is a link to find your representatives. http://capwiz.com/gunowners/dbq/officials/

And remember, if all else fails, the only thing they can't take from you is your ability and willingness to use the guns you have to defend yourself against all enemies, foreign and domestic so make sure YOU ARE TRAINED.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Does someone have the link to the thread where SCOTUS ruled that criminals are exempt from gun registration under the 4th and 5th Amendments? That information is appropriate for this thread.
 

Shinmen Takezo

Membership Revoked
You're being told that civilians have no need for an AR-15 or 30-round magazines, yet the people who seek to ban them are routinely protected by the same weapons with the same high-capacity magazines, along with their families.

The real reason why the DC thugs want to ban AR-15's and hi-cap magazines is because they do not want to have civilians competitive with their goons and soldiers who are assuredly going to be the point-knuckledraggers in their oppression scheme.

WRAP YOUR FREAKING SKULLS AROUND THIS FACT PLEASE!!

This "gun Control movement" really has nothing to do with the so-called "Gun Grabbers" ("they/them's" low-information, knee-jerk reaction, stooges).
These people are just useful idiots who are trotted around like ponies as a carnival. They are completely irrelevant, only useful.

This issuse deals mainly with the globalist/statist/progressive power brokers and their desire to remain in power at any and all costs.

These rats in DC in both parties know full well that an economic asteriod is approaching the USA.
What is transpisring in Europe right now, what is going to implode Europe shortly--will also hit the USA with an even greater magnitute than across the ocean.
In fact it is going to be completely devastating and the DC thugs/rats/statists/progressives/communists want to try and maintain a "continuity of goverment" (cling to power).
And to do so they are going to put a hob-nailed boot in your faces in a hard and big way soon.

And to accomplish their power goals you must not be armed with the same or similar firepower which their "revered" (almost worshiped, almost sacrosanct by stupid conservatives) "mlitary" and law-enforcement thugs posesses. You cannot have anything close to what the knuckle-dragging, "any-order" takers have in their greasy, stupid, mindless mitts.

Stop using the "criminal element" and "sporting useages" arguments--which are completely specious BTW.
They are the arguments which the DC thugs, statists and progressive want you to employ--because they know these are loosing arguments in the long run.

The DC Thugs do not want you to use the arguments which are really behind the "true purpose" of the 2nd Amendment.
They are afraid of this.
 

Ranger

Membership Revoked
Inherent natural law rights of self defense that do no harm to others
are codified in 2A by our nation and "shall not be infringed"
means what it says under natural law and 2A.
 
Problem is, Ranger, the .gov is no longer governed by the Constitution. We are no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of lying, cheating, hating, self-centered men.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
ST, your post is a bit of gaslighting in itself.

We see all of what you claim we do not. Of all places, to come here and think that we don't see the assaults on the 2A as anything other than a power play from our hopeful masters, that you see it and we don't, that's just silly.

That aside, I share your alarm. Reality says LOUDLY that the high majority does not agree, many are very vocal about it and are openly challenging the assault, and still they press on. The mess that this will create will be awesome, and I do not mean in a good way.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
ST, your post is a bit of gaslighting in itself.

We see all of what you claim we do not. Of all places, to come here and think that we don't see the assaults on the 2A as anything other than a power play from our hopeful masters, that you see it and we don't, that's just silly.

That aside, I share your alarm. Reality says LOUDLY that the high majority does not agree, many are very vocal about it and are openly challenging the assault, and still they press on. The mess that this will create will be awesome, and I do not mean in a good way.


Yes what you said, in germany hitler and his goons were very few and look what thoses few did, makes you wounder in this day and age and with the techonoledge we have what can they do now. Sure is going to be interesting and savage in the not to distance future,that's for sure.
 

mzkitty

I give up.

US Senate votes 68-31 to begin debate on gun control bill
- @jbendery

10 mins ago by editor

Live video: Voting by US Senators on gun background check bill is underway -
@NBCNews

24 mins ago from www.breakingnews.com by editor

Live video: Sens. Blumenthal, Murphy, and Schumer join Newtown families to push gun background checks bill - @NBCNews

1 hour ago from www.breakingnews.com by editor
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Yes what you said, in germany hitler and his goons were very few and look what thoses few did, makes you wounder in this day and age and with the techonoledge we have what can they do now. Sure is going to be interesting and savage in the not to distance future,that's for sure.

What bothers me is not that the neo-fascists have better toys, which I'm sure they do, but that they don't seem to realize that we are not German and Austrian Jews of thr 1930's. They thought that if they were civil and patient with the demands placed on them, surely the Nazi movement would blow over. Of course it did not. We have accepted a great deal of crap here in this country, but many people are standing up now to say enough, and in regards to the 2A assaults, The People are taking a very hard line. We know that losing the 2A puts us back to the 1930's state of mind, and we aren't having any of that.

If "they" keep pushing, all we're going to have is a hell of a mess.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Another word for this is "Propaganda" and Stalin and Hitler use the sane concept that Carl Marx came up with from some else and thats telling a lie and repeating that lie until they think they people accepted as the truth, in reality people never really accept it as being the truth, but can't seem to find a way to set it right and put an end to it.
 

almost ready

Inactive
Nice OP, TwinCougs

It's the gaslighting that gives those headaches - from the cognitive dissonance.

Hey, this country here that we had a bloody, horrible war against has just sworn to kill us all.

Lay down your arms or we'll jail you for them.

(thunderous applause - all canned, of course)

Think like a jedi. A real painkiller :-)
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Got the following today



Hello, all --

For the first time since the 1990s, Congress might be on track to pass legislation aimed at reducing gun violence in the United States. And it's because folks in Washington are starting to understand that the rest of the country isn't going to sit by and let them ignore this issue. Your voices are the reason we have a chance to win this debate. The American people expect and demand a yes or no vote.

But this is a critical moment. It's been almost four months since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, thousands more Americans have died at the hands of gun violence, and time is on the side of those who would prefer that we do nothing.

We want to make sure that your voices are impossible to ignore. So we're asking people from all over the country to speak out online in concert -- all at the same time. Will you join us?

Pledge to speak out about the need to reduce gun violence.

It's easy to participate. Over the next few days, anyone can sign up to tweet or share a message to Facebook. Through that time, we'll gather up as many people as we can. Then we'll make sure that all these individual messages get posted together in the same moment for maximum effect.

That wave of social media will get seen by millions and millions of people.

We're talking about common-sense reforms. Like the idea that any of us who want to buy a gun should have to go through a background check first -- which 90 percent of Americans support.

So let's make sure that there's absolutely no confusion about the public consensus.

Pledge to speak out with us, and then forward this email to your family and friends:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/now-is-the-time/action


Thanks!

David

David Simas
Deputy Senior Advisor
The White House
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Problem is, Ranger, the .gov is no longer governed by the Constitution. We are no longer a nation of laws, but a nation of lying, cheating, hating, self-centered men.

Actually the crux of the issue is the Constitution was I believe inspired by God through the minds of Godly men, a statement of God given Rights; those who are trying to wrestle our defensive weapons from our hands are ungodly, satanic men and women who clearly display their allegiance to their master in their daily actions. They know full well that our personal protection from any domestic or foreign enemy is what has kept that very Constitution alive, therefore, they must at all costs destroy it.

At the heart of it, it's satan trying to disassemble God's work, that it is happening now, at this time in history is indicative of something incredibly evil crouching on the precipice of the most destructive time humankind has ever been witness to.

Good posts TC, Ranger.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Yes, none of this has anything to do with stopping a homicidal nut, gang banger or terrorist from getting the tools of their "trade" and everything about controlling the vast majority of the population.

They freely admit that none of their legislative drivel would have or will stop any such attack. The number of congress critters that have been "herded" into "doing something" by the MSM/Progressive cabal just shows how broken the political process in the United States is at this time with an elite political class that has totally removed itself from the populace. The "gun debate" is only one very glaring example of this.

So what "fixes" this when the polling showed that Romney (for all of his RINO faults) was winning on all of the policy and economic positions against Obama yet Obama won re-election and the majority of these congress critters are there almost for life?
 

Gadsden

Contributing Member
Every time the Senate or House debate this crap, I buy another gun. Time to add an AR10 to the two 15s I bought since Sandy Hook. Barry, Colt and S&W thank you for your gun control efforts.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Media says 90% of people want universal backround checks. I am not buying it.

Question: Do you think guns should be kept out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable and prone to violence?

Answer: Yes.

Do you need know more?
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As far as the whole mental illness issue goes, I have become a bit leery of the current govt. defining mental illness. Given the historical atrocity of the Soviet Union confining religious believers in hellholes, I mean, mental institutions, where they were tortured with psychiatric drugs (among other things), I hardly feel safe letting "progressives" call the shots on this or any other subject.

And I have sufficient experience in the Real World to not minimize in any way the problems of the genuinely mentally ill and of those who interact with them.
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Question: Do you think guns should be kept out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable and prone to violence?

Answer: Yes.

Do you need know more?

Have you stopped beating you wife yet? (not directed to you personally, just rhetorical)

Yes or no are your choices in my little poll.

Same kind of question ........

Yes = so you admit you have been beating your wife
No = so you admit you have not stopped beating your wife

It is all in how the question is phrased and what answers are allowed.
 

TimeTraveler

Veteran Member
The real reason why the DC thugs want to ban AR-15's and hi-cap magazines is because they do not want to have civilians competitive with their goons and soldiers who are assuredly going to be the point-knuckledraggers in their oppression scheme.

Yea, that will work. Except for the FACT that there are already millions of those magazines out there.
 

Stardust

Veteran Member
Freebird, I have a problem with letting the government define ANYTHING, especially mental illness. They seem to have a problem with the definition of TERRORIST. Now, that really should be an easy one but the .gov seems to have a problem with it.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Freebird, I have a problem with letting the government define ANYTHING, especially mental illness. They seem to have a problem with the definition of TERRORIST. Now, that really should be an easy one but the .gov seems to have a problem with it.

Let's see, if the gov wants to violate your constitutional rights ala the Net etc, it needs a court order. Should be the same for people who are to be banned from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Court action or no go.
 

NoName

Veteran Member
Let's see, if the gov wants to violate your constitutional rights ala the Net etc, it needs a court order. Should be the same for people who are to be banned from exercising their 2nd Amendment rights. Court action or no go.

You need to watch the evening news more..just yesterday it was announced (on NBC) that the IRS was going to start "reviewing" peoples email, without their knowledge much less permission or warrant.
 
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