ECON Welcome to 2030. I own nothing, have no privacy, and life has never been better.

CaryC

CaryC

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Notice it's 2030. The move to socialism has ended. Meaning it's a done deal.

If the radical progressives win elections this is what it will be like. Also note it is a state of mind as whether it is good or not.

When socialism takes over the government one of the things it will do is nationalize all industry (you won't have a say in it). Socialization of the nation will be privately owned and government run.

Because that won't work to make "things" better, and never has, the next step is communism, to make things better. Government owned and run. You won't have a say in that either.

When that happens your, and my, precious private property that we worked our whole lives for, will be forfeit to the government. You won't have a say in it.

You can say "when they pry my cold dead fingers from around the deed in my hand." Then so be it, as far as the USSA is concerned you're dead, and they have your property. No skin off their nose, and they won't even blink. You won't even be a bump in the road. And you still don't have a say in the matter.

If Trump wins it will be 2034, instead of 2030.

If you don't realize that this is coming, consider reading some history about the Russian Revolution in 1918. Or the Cuban Revolution. How few people it took to turn those countries. Only those that didn't mind spilling blood. Che.

Granted the USA is somewhat different, in the the people are armed. The question is will it really make a difference?

Lot's on here talk about fighting .......then, but what about now? It's to late we lost 10, 20, 40 years ago.
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
glennb6 said:
the vid did say by 2030, ten years ahead.

Now, cars are leased. homes are rented. can't rent food, renting clothes is silly. recreational vehicles can be rented or leased. supposedly you rent software, why not computers so you can get an upgrade every year. maybe rented homes would come fully furnished. what am I missing?

I've never been attracted or enamored with 'stuff' but damn if I wanted to buy something but was told I couldn't for whatever reason! Too many rights are infringed upon. Also, our entire rule of law is based upon property ownership, private property, although it's been subverted by way of property taxes.

problem is the economics oft favors owning, and sometimes there's the emotional attachment or desire for a sense of permanency.
what if car makers stopped selling and promoted leases and rentals? suppose govt made home rentals more financially attractive? electronics stores rented everything, and you could return your item in a few months for credit twords a new one?

Have a look at the big companies listed as members of the WEF and tell me, if they decided that renting to customers was more profitable than selling, that they wouldn't or couldn't collude to make that happen. Geez! as it is now you can't go into most stores without wearing a face diaper of compliance. Private businesses can get away with what is otherwise against the laws, and it appears govt loves and encourages that.

and the biggest problem, is that a bunch of autocratic one world fanatic commies are bent on making everyone else do what they want them to rather than letting the market, the people decide.
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A minor but important point because you have made an excellent observation - dealing with unintended consequences will change even the best "plans."

When we first moved here about 25 years ago I heard some self-important Euro-Vampire/Banksters say (think thick accent)

"The Irish will just have to get over this idea of personal ownership and become renters like all the rest of the Good Europeans do."

For about 15 years, things were done and policies enacted that over time that became true at least in the Irish cities, not because people wanted to rent but because after 2008 the Vulture Funds brought up a lot of urban property and what was left was too expensive for most people to purchase - so they rented.

Fast forward - even now Dublin is one of the highest-priced places in the world and I believe THE highest priced in Europe to live in - since we really only have one or two large urban areas with jobs, this is a problem.

A much bigger problem is: The Government has "just" realized their entire pension and retirement system was based on MOST people owning their own homes, they are now in panic mode.

They suddenly realized that people would need a hundred if not thousands more a month (and they only get hundreds) for the "Old Age Pension" and even "Work Pension" plans to keep the elderly from sleeping in hospital ERs, parking lots and in tents down by the Liffy.

They don't have that kind of money and between the disease outbreaks and failing economy, it isn't like they can raise taxes that much higher either (not enough to cover that).

But they WILL have to figure out something, my guess is building (or having vulture construction companies build) huge public housing towers to stuff in "the elderly."

Or something along those lines, but that may not even happen fast enough given the situation - but oh sure, we will "all" be good little renters...with none of the property protections say Germans or The French have with renting (leases are long, there are legal protections in terms of eviction, the inheritance of leases etc).
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Starrkopf said:
it's digital micromanaged slavery where you don't even own the clothing on your back, your own thoughts or dreams or anything.
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Sort of like how I exist - except you don't get the choice to go over to the "sunny side of the field" and indulge.

And - like me in an earlier time - SOMEBODY has to do "the work." Machines can do a lot - but not all. And like all things, work expands to fill available time.

Electronically fenced in chattel anyone?

Dobbin
 
Mprepared

Mprepared

Veteran Member
Melodi said:
A much bigger problem is: The Government has "just" realized their entire pension and retirement system was based on MOST people owning their own homes, they are now in panic mode.


But they WILL have to figure out something, my guess is building (or having vulture construction companies build) huge public housing towers to stuff in "the elderly."
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I look around when driving through my town and the busiest parking lots are the medical buildings. My husband died of cancer at the age of 58. The building was full of young people getting cancer treatment. When I go to Walmart and places I am shocked of the people on electric carts with oxygen, years and years too early. Then all the ones on drugs. When you look around there are nursing homes, medical buildings, jails, schools, so how many of the population can walk and work? They will need lots of housing to stuff America in.
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
They have used up the human cattle on the global plantation, now they are going to eliminate most of us as we are no longer profitable to them and their system. They have been telling us this but we refuse to listen. Most of us will not recognize it for what it is as we watch it happen.
 
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glennb6

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A much bigger problem is: The Government has "just" realized their entire pension and retirement system was based on MOST people owning their own homes, they are now in panic mode.

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wow. yes, private home ownership (mortgages) is a backbone in the financial systems. 30 yr bonds. remove that and what happens? I wonder if those WEF geniuses gave this a thought - maybe they did. wait for the detonation.

what is theft? property theft? if you don't own a thing what if it gets stolen? does title still exist?

what happens to your inalienable rights? are they converted to privileges?
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What if instead of the vulture bankers and very few rich owning all the housing and renting at stupid prices to the peons, what if the vultures are replaced with a communistic technocracy? Huh?
Currently, banks create a mortgage, sell it to wall street, who then slices and dices them into tranches, and sells those as MBS (mortgage backed securities), and you still retain the property title of ownership.
Suppose the full ownership were sliced and diced and sold off on the open market. Of course there would have to be a financial benefit (not to you) for doing that, and that's way above my pay grade to try and figure out. Same happens with corporations and shares.
Maybe the renters would be like pseudo owners of coops or condos and the better places appreciate in value? I guess the pseudo owners would need to be allowed some privileges, secure enure, insider share ownership rights.
Most of those 'rules' and operational functions could be managed via computer and blockchain. Melodi could own 2% of the available tokens to a neighborhood and be assigned the residency rights to the house on XXX Oak avenue.
If you couldn't own those tokens, I guess you become a 100% renter.
I can't quite imagine govt owning everything and it working out.

The really iffy part of that senario is that real property owners typically have 'skin in the game', have a highly vested interest in caring for their property, in keeping their mtg payments current. Human nature has shown that if you don't own it you're more likely to take care of it.
 
DryCreek

DryCreek

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I just thought that I'd throw this out here for y'all.

One of my coworkers who has since quit and gone to work at another site offered some very interesting insight to the utopian scenario posed in the topic starter. He had married a Chinese woman. She was from mainland China, and had grown up under communist rule. She had spent nearly her whole life under community property "ownership". It's only been over the last decade that the Chinese were actually allowed to own real property. Also, as manufacturing jobs came onshore for them, more of the workers were able to save up and buy automobiles. Now this new idea of personal ownership suddenly created an unforeseen and unpredictable problem.
Maintenance.
Yep, having never owned their own home, the average Chinese citizen gave absolutely no thought to maintaining their property! The new homes quickly cobbled together by uninspired laborers who never dreamt that they could be living in the result of their shoddy workmanship suddenly ended up as a homeowner. But, there's no such thing as trundling down to your local Home Depot or Lowes. Until recently, they never existed. There was no market for those types of goods. Think about it, as a renter, how much painting, plumbing, or any other type of repair are you likely to pay for yourself? So, the concept of performing maintenance on their homes and vehicles never became ingrained into the new Chinese consumer.
My friend told me a story of his mother in law. She owned a car for five years and never changed the oil, tires, or anything. It locked up on her with only about 90K (kilos) on it! He said the houses end up as hovels, and vehicles are treated as disposable items over there. No one grew up learning how to change their oil, sparkplugs, or fluids. No one had ever replaced a light switch, or a faucet. No, when things broke, it stayed that way until the state decided they had the time and money to send the (usually very old) building super in to take care of the issue.
I can see the 2030 "utopia" predicted by this clown in the same quandary. Think about it - how many millennials can change their own oil, transmission fluid, sparkplugs? Heck, most can't even install their spare or replace a headlight bulb.
But, they can sip fancy coffee, spout their socialist indoctrination they received at an inflated rate (carried by a note) at the local college, and then look down their noses on the blue collar worker that keeps his world going. The same one who would be leaving town each night to settle down in his own comfortable, maintained home.
 
West

West

Senior
They think it's possible because they can just print the funds to do it. Take away FIAT and their world ends.
 
ainitfunny

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Most Americans STILL don’t know one of the BIGGEST REASONS Europeans wanted to come to America. It was In order to be free and be able to buy/ acquire ownership of LAND! Something that could not ever even be hoped for in Europe!
Land ownership by common people WAS AND STILL IS very rare in Europe because ALMOST ALL THE LAND IS OWNED “by the Nobility” and has been kept in their families for Hundreds, sometimes thousands of years!

Ordinary citizens CANNOT BUY LAND, but they can sometimes RENT the noblemens land and build a house on their Landlords property. IIRC, If they dont pay the land rent, they ARE EVICTED AND THEIR HOME becomes the landlords property to then rent to others (for more money than the land alone brought,)

Ownership of LAND is the KEY, the first step TO WEALTH. Renting is for people who do not understand that. Buy as much as you can for your descendents, if you want to give them a lasting blessing.

THE NEW WORLD ORDER BANKERS are TRYING to gain ownership of all nations LAND, like the Nobility of Europe STILL HAVE, in order to assure THEIR families a perpetual MONEY MACHINE IN RENTS FROM MILLIONS OF CITIZENS OF EVERY NATION!
I don’t think they would try to pull this Communist scam to take the land of the European Nobility. From them. The RICH Nobility would hire SO MANY many hit men paid to assainate those new world order banker /Communists that their plan would fall flat quickly!
 
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CaryC

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
glennb6 said:
I can't quite imagine govt owning everything and it working out.

The really iffy part of that senario is that real property owners typically have 'skin in the game', have a highly vested interest in caring for their property, in keeping their mtg payments current. Human nature has shown that if you don't own it you're more likely to take care of it.
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It never has as a governmental type of thing, but that doesn't mean they didn't try, and try and try, it's called communism. Coming to a country near you.

Concerning the second paragraph: Originally it was only land owners that could vote in the New World. Why the shame of it all. It was because.........they had skin in the game.

The college grad who lives in their mom's basement, sips Starbucks, and wants free stuff, and votes socialism, doesn't have any skin, much less in any game. But they vote, or at least pretend to.
 
DryCreek

DryCreek

Veteran Member
The Mountain said:
The world Elite need mediocre little Italian cars?
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Technically, the Chrysler 300 is a Fiat.
I find it neither small, nor mediocre.
If ours had the "big" hemi, I would probably love it even more. You can never have too much horsepower, only insufficient pavement.
 
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