HYPOCRISY We need to finally deal with this HOMELESS issue!

[ShadowMan]

It's well past time that we need to deal once and for all with this runaway homeless issue. From my personal experience trying to assist the homeless I've pretty much come up with the 1/3 issue. 1/3 of the homeless want to get off the streets and back on their feet. 1/3 have SERIOUS medical and mental health issues and need to be institutionalized for their own well being. Then there is the next 1/3 that have figured out how to live on the lamb with no accountability, no responsibility to live however they want and do whatever they want by way of sponging off the system.

The first two thirds I have no problem lending a HAND UP....the latter third can FOAD for all I care. I go along with the Biblical stance of "Those that will not work......shall not eat." It is not our responsibility to support those that are totally able to work and yet want to sit on their arse and suck off the government....i.e. my tit.

THERE IS NO EXCUSE for people shitting on the streets. Living in tents on sidewalks and being a burden on the rest of us.

 

[Great Northwet]

Most respectfully ShadowMan, there are no homeless camps, only drug camps. 90% want to keep using but only 10% want to get out.

 

[IdahoMom]

They are moving into our small city. Pop 31K. All the bleeding hearts are bringing them bedding, clothes, food. They party all night, get in fights, walk into people's houses uninvited, steal everything that isn't nailed down, and harass people for money.

Yes, they can be nice for the five or ten minutes you are giving them something, but they would literally kill you for enough money for their next fix. And if you want to see ugly, try telling them NO.

I have helped out many over the years, and was also a foster parent. There is something that makes your heart feel good about helping others. The bottom line is you need to use some discernment and figure out who is actually worth helping, and who is a predator and you are their prey. Because enabling the druggies and mental cases is not helping them. They need to hit bottom.

I guess we all need to learn the hard way. I'm on the never again bandwagon.

 

[Luddite]

They need to hit bottom.

Which bottom?

When their ebt card goes blank?

When the Emergency Department won't let them in the door after their 4th visit in a month?

When the local PD and volunteer fire department guy says? "Nope, I'm not narcanning you again this month".

The bottoms in this country are never low enough.

For every ONE recovered and productive addict I know I can think of 20 that didn't make it. Enabling ALL to save JUST ONE ain't worth it. Sorry not sorry.

If a parent or a private church wants to spend every dime they have to save/enable one that's their prerogative. Taxpayers shouldn't be expected to contribute.

What you condone or sponsor does not diminish.

Don't waste your time telling me I'd feel different if it was one of mine. Mine know my hog hammer could be put to dual use if they tried drugs. I love them that much but can't stand rude behavior. Using drugs and burdening society is rude behavior at its worst.

 

[WalknTrot]

Hotel California solution.
Work farm lockups and forced rehab (by cold turkey as a given - other help if they are sincere).
Reform and prove it, or you can never leave.

Give a hand up to those who really want to get a life back, retain and supervise those who can't or won't.

 

[Luddite]

Give a hand up to those who really want to get a life back, retain and supervise those who can't or won't.

I understand your logic. It is a reasonable suggestion. The devil is in the details.

Imagine the lawsuits. Imagine the cost of detainment.

Why should the taxpayers be saddled with that burden?

Show me in the Constitution where one dollar of collected or printed money should be diverted into what you described.

It isn't the government's job. Full stop.

Now if you want to imprison people for their crimes okay. That's been litigated and is long established. We as a nation are guilty of mission creep.

Very rarely is penury just bad luck. Poor choices should have consequences.

 

[WalknTrot]

I understand your logic. It is a reasonable suggestion. The devil is in the details.

Imagine the lawsuits. Imagine the cost of detainment.

Why should the taxpayers be saddled with that burden?

Show me in the Constitution where one dollar of collected or printed money should be diverted into what you described.

It isn't the government's job. Full stop.

Now if you want to imprison people for their crimes okay. That's been litigated and is long established. We as a nation are guilty of mission creep.

Very rarely is penury just bad luck. Poor choices should have consequences.

The laws used to be on the books for vagrancy, public intoxication/defecation/littering, prostitution, illegal drug use and trafficking. Most of them rack up more than enough to be thrown into the pokey. As for support - we are already supporting most of them through disability, social programs, etc. Gather all the nuts up in one basket, hose 'em down once/day, feed 'em, and give them a bed and row of beans to hoe.

Cleaned up, showing some aptitude and willingness to work? Ability to manage a normal productive life again? Then we'll talk about living on the outside for a trial run. Screw up and back behind the fence with a hoe in your hand.

 

[naegling62]

I bet there are some billionaires that could fix the problem. I know with something as big as this it would seem .gov is the answer but .gov can **** up a bucket of dirt.

 

[LightEcho]

Most of us who are still alive and not surrendered to the anti-christ system will be homeless. The OP assessment is pitiful. Property taxes make us all renters and when that rent cannot be paid, we are all homeless. If they demand your blood for payment, living on the street, in the woods, or anywhere else is the best choice.

 

[Luddite]

Most of us who are still alive and not surrendered to the anti-christ system will be homeless. The OP assessment is pitiful. Property taxes make us all renters and when that rent cannot be paid, we are all homeless. If they demand your blood for payment, living on the street, in the woods, or anywhere else is the best choice.

I think you're comparing apples to oranges.

What you're describing is war.

Post 1 is describing what could reasonably be expected of most every able-bodied person in a society.

I have no problem with someone living as they choose. Off-the-grid? Fine.

In a van down by the river? Sure.
Don't expect a culture you're choosing to shun subsidize your choices.

Pooping on a sidewalk will never be okay. Even after a zombie apocalypse.

 

[West]

Most of the problems is because of government safety nets. The rest of the problems is government over regulation and taxes on one's labors and their employers.

Not to mention the millions of so called immigrants that are really illegals with more rights than Americans. Who are also homeless.

All by design, IMHO. To kill what was once freedom in America. To a democracy rulled by socialistic and communists rulers and a dependent on government voting majority.

Sickening

 

[FireDance]

You tend to get more of the things you feed and allow to run around as they please: kittens, puppies and rats come directly to mind.

A hard no in my book. I have enough feed for me and mine. The rest can get a job. No education? Whose fault is that? Not mine and I won’t be saddled with it.

Of course we already are in some shape or form. You cannot save the freaking world. Never could.

 

[MtnGal]

Here in Asheville the local gov know the drug dealers. They've taken a page out of Biden's graft book enabling their profitable business. The gov have the churches giving out free needles which end up used littering the streets, free tents and who knows what else. They tried to get medical offices employees to carry narcan to help with the overdoses. Only the bleeding hearts thought that a good idea.

It's amazing how many homeless refuse code purple nights at the shelters because they can't be locked in for hours without a fix.

Not saying all homeless are druggies. Some really are homeless. These will work or try to work doing anything to keep their family together. These are the ones that really need help but are forgotten.

There is a segment here that just pretend to be homeless. These panhandle, break in homes, follow the mail carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc to steal whatever they can. Even out here in the country they will steal anything that is not locked down.

I've stopped giving to the coat drive, toy drive or anything to do with the churches because the coats and things go to the 'homeless', not to struggling families that need help.

Nothing will happen until the local gov is fixed and I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

 

[greysage]

I blame our globalist captured government, crooked politicians, authorities, and media. The homeless, as unsavory as many may be, did not cause this situation in our nation (if you're talking about America.)

It's easy to have emotions about the homeless, but the reality is there are probably more than a few of our fellow members here at TB2K that are a matter of weeks away from homeless if their income ceases.

The same goes for blaming people on EBT/food stamps, disability, using food banks, section 8 housing. Yes there are some abusing it. But again, our captured government has sold out and destroyed the mechanisms that made America great.

Being angry at weaker Americans isn't going to help anything.

Especially now. I've seen a lot of the support UKR people complaining about homeless people on their streets now. But they cheered along for the little green man and the globalists starting a war with Russia.

How many are homeless because of the invasion of millions of illegal aliens? How much assistance are these refugees/migrants consuming in financial and housing assistance?

 

[Vulture45-70]

Like in the 40's and 50's The gov't had CCC camps where ya worked on roads, bridges, tree farms and picked up trash on the highways. Wonder why they don't have that these days. Oh I forgot were talking about the gov't. My Bad

 

[LightEcho]

I think you're comparing apples to oranges.

What you're describing is war.

Post 1 is describing what could reasonably be expected of most every able-bodied person in a society.

I have no problem with someone living as they choose. Off-the-grid? Fine.

In a van down by the river? Sure.
Don't expect a culture you're choosing to shun subsidize your choices.

Pooping on a sidewalk will never be okay. Even after a zombie apocalypse.

Your point is right on. I think that breaking the homeless down to 3 categories is not sufficient. The problem with categorizing all of a certain characteristic is that you also catch a totally different demographic in that net.

Be kind to the homeless because we will all be them.

 

[Doat]

End the two party system.

 

[Cacheman]

Even the left-wing media is admitting the Biden economy is crap, as a new Harvard study shows a third of seniors are struggling to avoid eviction or foreclosure.

Just 1 in 7 can afford help. In fact, home ownership for Americans over age 50 has been in free-fall since the 2008 crisis.

This reduces net worth from $500,000 to just $10,100. Bottom line, seniors are struggling at record rates, and we haven’t even hit the full recession yet.

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[anna43]

The drug problem could be somewhat reduced by not providing narcan or other support to addicts. One time give narcan along with the firm statement that they will not receive it a second time. It may sound cold-hearted, but drug addiction is self-inflicted, and resources should be directed at people that can be helped such as the underemployed working poor who cannot pay rent, the physically ill who cannot work/afford medical care and the mentally ill who need to be institutionalized for their and the public's safety.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Most respectfully ShadowMan, there are no homeless camps, only drug camps. 90% want to keep using but only 10% want to get out.

Must be a regional thing, there are actual homeless camps here in central Iowa that are not drug infested, they are filled with seniors and also disabled vets who fell through the cracks and have now to go.

 

[summerthyme]

Must be a regional thing, there are actual homeless camps here in central Iowa that are not drug infested, they are filled with seniors and also disabled vets who fell through the cracks and have now to go.

Yes, but they aren't camping in doorways and sh!tting on the sidewalks!
There were several "campgrounds" that sprang up around 2008-2009 in rural areas... no amenities, but electric and water hookups, and a place to pump their gray and blackwater tanks. The authorities pretty much ignored them, as they knew it was the last spot before literally living on the street for the residents. Most were older, had some type of disability, but there were a few young couples and families who simply couldn't find an affordable place to rent. It had to be pretty darned miserable in some of those campers in the winter, but it beat a tent, or cardboard box.

I'm not sure who governed the ones I was aware of, but *soneone* made sure they were kept neat and picked up...

Summerthyme

 

[packyderms_wife]

Yes, but they aren't camping in doorways and sh!tting on the sidewalks!
There were several "campgrounds" that sprang up around 2008-2009 in rural areas... no amenities, but electric and water hookups, and a place to pump their gray and blackwater tanks. The authorities pretty much ignored them, as they knew it was the last spot before literally living on the street for the residents. Most were older, had some type of disability, but there were a few young couples and families who simply couldn't find an affordable place to rent. It had to be pretty darned miserable in some of those campers in the winter, but it beat a tent, or cardboard box.

I'm not sure who governed the ones I was aware of, but *soneone* made sure they were kept neat and picked up...

Summerthyme

My point is that all homeless people are not drug addicts.. Having been homeless myself in the mid 90’s I know what I’m talking about!

The biggest problem with the whole get a job mantra is if you don’t have an address you’re not getting squat!

A friend found out what was going on and rented a P.O. Box for me and things finally fell into place. I had a job two days later, found a place to couch surf for the next month and finally had an apartment. None of which I was able to do without an address!

Local churches were about as useful as tits on a bull.

 

[Terrwyn]

My area just opened a Wellness center for the homeless. 110 separate housing units 170 beds. All the wrap around services including a clinic. It looks really nice and I hope it helps the people that really need it. With the sky high cost of rents out here not everyone homeless in my area is an addict or alcoholic.

 

[packyderms_wife]

My area just opened a Wellness center for the homeless. 110 separate housing units 170 beds. All the wrap around services including a clinic. It looks really nice and I hope it helps the people that really need it. With the sky high cost of rents out here not everyone homeless in my area is an addict or alcoholic.

Same thing is now happening in the greater Des Moines Iowa area! It is much needed and way over due!

 

[Firebird]

I would bet that 95% of the homeless in my area are hard drug users

 

[KFhunter]

If they’re on drugs, they are mentally altered and incapable of decision making for the betterment of themselves - they’ll always decide to stay in the drug scene. Yes, some precious few do seek help, they still can, and that’s voluntary.

The ones who do not seek help, and break laws need dried out.

We need to put them in facilities

These facilities need built, healthcare, doctors and nurses, wean them off drugs and do reintegration programs. Some or most will be recidivist and may cycle through several times, they might not ever leave unable to thrive without structure, they’ll need jobs, a modern chain gang.

Our jails are full, and ineffective.

 

[mikeabn]

We need to better define homeless- by choice, by loss of job/ economics, drugs, mentally ill. And then triage among the drug addicts. Maybe I should ask God to forgive me for that last.

 

[packyderms_wife]

We need to better define homeless- by choice, by loss of job/ economics, drugs, mentally ill. And then triage among the drug addicts. Maybe I should ask God to forgive me for that last.

you left out the fourth group... illegals.

 

[KFhunter]

you left out the fourth group... illegals.

That one's easy, send them home.

 

[KFhunter]

We need to better define homeless- by choice, by loss of job/ economics, drugs, mentally ill. And then triage among the drug addicts. Maybe I should ask God to forgive me for that last.

Have you watched the Seattle is dying/dead documentaries?

100% of homeless are on drugs, anyone who wants to clean up and get a shelter is able to do so. They can't get the homeless addicts to do it, they go right back to the streets in a tent city because that's the easiest place to get drugs.

 

[GammaRat]

suck off the government....i.e. my tit.

You're on Social Security?

 

[medic38572]

 

[West]

Must be a regional thing, there are actual homeless camps here in central Iowa that are not drug infested, they are filled with seniors and also disabled vets who fell through the cracks and have now to go.

I really think that if we didn't have a income tax/safety nets and related regulations/mandates for employers to abide, pay, collect and deliver to stay compliant with there payrolls. We would also have many times more job opportunities for the people's who have falling through the cracks.

That guy that directs traffic could be done by a disabled or our seniors. As many other government jobs could be done by them. A able bodied young man doing a desk job or a job that a disabled or senior could do is a problem in its self, IMHO.

 

[KFhunter]

I really think that if we didn't have a income tax/safety nets and related regulations/mandates for employers to abide, pay, collect and deliver to stay compliant with there payrolls. We would also have many times more job opportunities for the people's who have falling through the cracks.

That guy that directs traffic could be done by a disabled or our seniors. As many other government jobs could be done by them. A able bodied young man doing a desk job or a job that a disabled or senior could do is a problem in its self, IMHO.

I like your thinking, stick our disabled and senior citizens out to play in traffic

I jest

 

[Barry Natchitoches]

I've stopped giving to the coat drive, toy drive or anything to do with the churches because the coats and things go to the 'homeless', not to struggling families that need help.

Nothing will happen until the local gov is fixed and I don't see that happening anytime in the near future.

This year, that free stuff is mostly going to illegals…

Just sayin…

 

[Calfisher]

The Final solution = Soylent Green to feed the homeless!

 

[packyderms_wife]

I really think that if we didn't have a income tax/safety nets and related regulations/mandates for employers to abide, pay, collect and deliver to stay compliant with there payrolls. We would also have many times more job opportunities for the people's who have falling through the cracks.

That guy that directs traffic could be done by a disabled or our seniors. As many other government jobs could be done by them. A able bodied young man doing a desk job or a job that a disabled or senior could do is a problem in its self, IMHO.

Agreed!

 

[Great Northwet]

Must be a regional thing, there are actual homeless camps here in central Iowa that are not drug infested, they are filled with seniors and also disabled vets who fell through the cracks and have now to go.

That may indeed be correct that there are homeless that have fallen through the cracks-and that should never happen to good people! However, I earnestly will say that in LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, they are all drug camps. They don't even want free housing. They just want to be left alone to do meth and fent. Notice how they are all located around shopping centers? They can steal stuff easily to fence and support their habit.

 

[dstraito]

This country is not doing much right
Drugs
Our Military
Borders
Diplomacy
Entitlements
Energy
Land Management
Hoax Climate Change
Horrific Crime management
Division of people based on Sexual Preference
Division of people based on color


All of this can be summarized in one word:

LIBERALS

 

[packyderms_wife]

That may indeed be correct that there are homeless that have fallen through the cracks-and that should never happen to good people! However, I earnestly will say that in LA, SF, Portland, Seattle, they are all drug camps. They don't even want free housing. They just want to be left alone to do meth and fent. Notice how they are all located around shopping centers? They can steal stuff easily to fence and support their habit.

And that’s the difference between a blue and a red state.