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Volkswagen electric car sales plunge as Europe returns to petrol​


Matthew Field
Wed, Apr 10, 2024, 5:29 AM PDT4 min read

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Sales of Volkswagen electric cars have plunged by almost a quarter in Europe as demand for battery-powered vehicles stalls and buyers return to petrol.

Electric vehicle (EV) sales fell by 24pc in the first three months of the year as high inflation and rising energy prices dampened demand.

Globally, all-electric sales at the owner of Audi, Skoda and Porsche dropped by 3pc to 136,400, while sales of combustion engine cars climbed 4pc to nearly two million.

The drop-off in EV demand comes as politicians in the region rollback subsidies and reconsider ambitious targets to dump petrol and diesel cars.

In September, Rishi Sunak, the Prime Minister, pushed back a deadline to block new petrol and diesel sales in the UK from 2030 to 2035. Incentives for drivers buying new EVs were scrapped in 2022.

Data suggests that demand for petrol cars is rising faster than for electric models in Britain.

EV registrations were only 3.8pc higher last month than they were a year earlier, according to figures released last week by the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, while petrol-engine sales rose 9.2pc.

Volkswagen sells some of the UK’s most popular electric vehicle models, including the Audi e-Tron range and Volkswagen ID.

Officials in the EU, meanwhile, have been considering watering down a similar ban on petrol and diesel cars in the bloc to allow the use of synthetic fuels – so-called e-fuels – that can power a combustion engine.

Matthias Schmidt, founder of Schmidt Automotive Research, said Volkswagen had been impacted by the axing of subsidies for EV sales in Germany. The EU has also frozen emissions targets for vehicle fleets, stunting sales.

Mercedes-Benz on Wednesday also reported an 8pc drop in EV sales, blaming “the abrupt end of a tax incentive” in Germany and the phasing out of a popular electric model from its brand Smart.

Volkswagen’s EV sales are also coming under pressure as European carmakers face growing competition from an influx of new China-made electric cars. Brands such as BYD offer battery-powered cars at a cheaper price point that Western rivals.

The EU has launched an investigation into the subsidies being offered to Chinese carmakers by Beijing. Experts at Germany’s Kiel Institute estimate that BYD alone has received more than €3.4bn (£2.9bn) in Chinese subsidies in recent years, Bloomberg reported on Wednesday.

BYD was contacted for comment.

However, while electric car sales in Europe dropped sharply, they climbed by almost 91pc in China, Volkswagen said.

Hildegard Wortmann, a member of Volkswagen’s executive board, said: “Our diversified product portfolio gives us the necessary flexibility to compensate for fluctuations in demand in certain segments – as is currently the case with all-electric vehicles – in others.”


The drop in Volkswagen sales follows a sharp fall in deliveries at Tesla, the West’s leading electric vehicle maker. Last week, Elon Musk’s business reported an 8pc fall in sales during the March quarter.

Not all companies are struggling: BMW said on Wednesday that its EV sales rose by 28pc in the three months to March. Deliveries of its battery-powered models such as the i4, iX1 and i7 jumped 41pc during the period.

However, multiple carmakers have pushed back plans to launch new electric cars amid evidence that drivers’ enthusiasm for them is wavering.

Bentley, the British car manufacturer owned by Volkswagen, has delayed plans to launch its first electric vehicle until 2026.

Supercar brand Lamborghini, which is also owned by the German car giant, will not start selling an all-electric model until 2028.

Stellantis, the car giant that owns Peugeot, Vauxhall and Maserati among others, on Wednesday said it would extend production of its petrol powered Fiat Panda until 2030. The manufacturer had planned to switch its best-selling city car to all-electric by 2027.

Other car makers have rowed back on their expansion plans. Ford has delayed production of two new electric models, while Mercedes-Benz earlier this year dropped plans for its range to be all-electric by the end of 2030.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
European consumers have several issues that no laws or "mandates" can overcome, at least not yet.

First, these cars are way too expensive to buy. Most (but not all) Europeans have less take-home pay than those in the US, partly from taxes. Some expenses (like health care) are much lower but others are quite high.

Second, while the price of electricity in the US is rising, prices in Europe (including Ireland and the United Kingdom) have skyrocketed. People can't afford to charge their cars. Sure, petrol (gasoline) is expensive too, but people are used to coping with that.

Third—The Weather—As in parts of the USA, many places here are too cold in Winter for cars to work. That won't fly in places like rural Germany or Sweden, where people still need cars in the Winter.

Then all the same issues have come up in the USA: cheap construction, batteries that cost more than a new gas-using car to replace (so the family buys a used gasoline-powered car or even a new one instead).

Basically, I think this technology was rushed out several years before it was ready or practical to use. This was pushed by various government mandates (all over The Western world) and a kind of "faith" that if the laws were passed, people would be forced into these types of vehicles. Meanwhile, Europeans are somewhat more willing to be pushed around by their governments or put up with badly designed products. They have their limits, too, and the electric car has pushed that limit beyond the breaking point.

They are useless in places like Ireland, with little public transit, and not worth it in places like Sweden, where the weather makes them unusable for much of the year.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If the EVs ever can handle a 3-minute FULL charge, 500 mile range WITH AC OR HEAT, and batteries good for 300K miles, I might be tempted.

Until then, no way...

I've said basically the same thing in the past.

However, it does leave the problem of a Grid not prepared for a fleet of EV's, and Generation Capacity already unable to keep up with demand without the additional load of EV's, as well as the nearly insane demands that the generation move to Wind and Solar as primary instead of secondary or tertiary.

Taken as a whole, it appears 'they' really don't want folks to have the ability to move about as easily, as inexpensively or as far as we've been able to in the recent past.
 

robolast

Senior Member
If the EVs ever can handle a 3-minute FULL charge, 500 mile range WITH AC OR HEAT, and batteries good for 300K miles, I might be temp, ted.

Until then, no way...
But they are not green, they are a big toxic waste issue for the batteries, mining for EV battery elements scar the land, and like some other things there is child labor involved with some things. I say get a Toyota hybrid
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I've said basically the same thing in the past.

However, it does leave the problem of a Grid not prepared for a fleet of EV's, and Generation Capacity already unable to keep up with demand without the additional load of EV's, as well as the nearly insane demands that the generation move to Wind and Solar as primary instead of secondary or tertiary.

Taken as a whole, it appears 'they' really don't want folks to have the ability to move about as easily, as inexpensively or as far as we've been able to in the recent past.
You're right about that.

Most people don't even think of the 15 minute "Paradise" the SJWs visualise as the perfect way to live.
Of course the SJW Elite will only live on the top floor or in a remote dacha.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I've said basically the same thing in the past.

However, it does leave the problem of a Grid not prepared for a fleet of EV's, and Generation Capacity already unable to keep up with demand without the additional load of EV's, as well as the nearly insane demands that the generation move to Wind and Solar as primary instead of secondary or tertiary.

Taken as a whole, it appears 'they' really don't want folks to have the ability to move about as easily, as inexpensively or as far as we've been able to in the recent past.

Yes our aspirant masters want their desired serfs to be pliant and immoble.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I've said basically the same thing in the past.

However, it does leave the problem of a Grid not prepared for a fleet of EV's, and Generation Capacity already unable to keep up with demand without the additional load of EV's, as well as the nearly insane demands that the generation move to Wind and Solar as primary instead of secondary or tertiary.

Taken as a whole, it appears 'they' really don't want folks to have the ability to move about as easily, as inexpensively or as far as we've been able to in the recent past.
Has anyone worked out exactly how much generating power would be needed in each country to support millions of EVs, should be quite an easy calculation if you had access to the data, with conversion factors.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Has anyone worked out exactly how much generating power would be needed in each country to support millions of EVs, should be quite an easy calculation if you had access to the data, with conversion factors.
Purely a guess but unless TPTB get their heads around a CANDU-type reactor for every 150,000 ± of population, I'm thinking it ain't happening but another question comes up: how is the power generated for all these EV Charging Stations etc transmitted to where it's needed?
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Purely a guess but unless TPTB get their heads around a CANDU-type reactor for every 150,000 ± of population, I'm thinking it ain't happening but another question comes up: how is the power generated for all these EV Charging Stations etc transmitted to where it's needed?
presumably the national grid will have to be enhanced, sounds like a major undertaking, so many new power stations and national grid updates all to be completed by 2030.........

or more likely the existing grid will not be updated and no new power stations will be built and more power will be drawn out by EVs
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
presumably the national grid will have to be enhanced, sounds like a major undertaking, so many new power stations and national grid updates all to be completed by 2030.........

or more likely the existing grid will not be updated and no new power stations will be built and more power will be drawn out by EVs
Way more likely so TPTB can get a tighter grip on America's spine with a view towards paralysis . . . .
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Has anyone worked out exactly how much generating power would be needed in each country to support millions of EVs, should be quite an easy calculation if you had access to the data, with conversion factors.

It would be dependent on a number of unconstrained variables, which would make it like most Models, potentially useless.

Off the top of my head:

Price of Electricity in a constrained environment; i.e. more demand due to EV's, higher pricing - higher pricing, less driving, less driving=less demand, etc etc...
Rate of retirement of reliable sources of power, such as Nuclear, Coal, Fuel Oil, Natural Gas and Hydro
Rise of mandated "Green" (not green) Energy - and costs associated
Availability of Battery Technology for mass implementation, improvements in Battery Technology (if any)


Unfortunately, it wouldn't really be a straight line calculation.

I have seen assertions that a short transition to an all EV fleet was impossible due to the inability of the Grid to cope. Not surprising at all.
 
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Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
European consumers have several issues that no laws or "mandates" can overcome, at least not yet.

First, these cars are way too expensive to buy. Most (but not all) Europeans have less take-home pay than those in the US, partly from taxes. Some expenses (like health care) are much lower but others are quite high.

Second, while the price of electricity in the US is rising, prices in Europe (including Ireland and the United Kingdom) have skyrocketed. People can't afford to charge their cars. Sure, petrol (gasoline) is expensive too, but people are used to coping with that.

Third—The Weather—As in parts of the USA, many places here are too cold in Winter for cars to work. That won't fly in places like rural Germany or Sweden, where people still need cars in the Winter.

Then all the same issues have come up in the USA: cheap construction, batteries that cost more than a new gas-using car to replace (so the family buys a used gasoline-powered car or even a new one instead).

Basically, I think this technology was rushed out several years before it was ready or practical to use. This was pushed by various government mandates (all over The Western world) and a kind of "faith" that if the laws were passed, people would be forced into these types of vehicles. Meanwhile, Europeans are somewhat more willing to be pushed around by their governments or put up with badly designed products. They have their limits, too, and the electric car has pushed that limit beyond the breaking point.

They are useless in places like Ireland, with little public transit, and not worth it in places like Sweden, where the weather makes them unusable for much of the year.
I think some groups caved to the liberal greenies and they were warned this will fail. So they ran with it to let it fail and get them to shut up and stay in their corner with the dunce cap on.
 

Ogre

Veteran Member
I just wonder how the new EV battery plant being built several miles from me is going to work out for the manufacturer.

"Panasonic is building a $4 billion electric vehicle battery plant in De Soto, Kansas. The plant is expected to bring around 4,000 jobs to the area and will primarily produce lithium-ion batteries for electric vehicle manufacturers Tesla and Lucid. Construction began in November 2022, and Panasonic plans to start production in early 2025. The facility will be located at Astra Enterprise Park and will cover 4.7 million square feet. (AI generated answer.)
<Brave Search>
 

energy_wave

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Tesla recalls Cybertrucks due to faulty accelerator pedal that can get stuck​


Tesla has issued a recall of nearly 4,000 Cybertrucks due to an issue that is causing the vehicle's accelerator pedal to get stuck when pressed down, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Wednesday.

The agency said the trapped accelerator pedal can cause the vehicle to accelerate unintentionally, increasing the risk of a crash. The accelerator pedal pad may "dislodge and cause the pedal to become trapped by the interior trim," the NHTSA said.

The recall affects all 2024 Cybertruck vehicles manufactured between Nov. 13, 2023 and April 4, 2024.

"An unapproved change introduced lubricant (soap) to aid in the component assembly of the pad onto the accelerator pedal," the NHTSA wrote in a recall document. "Residual lubricant reduced the retention of the pad to the pedal."

The NHTSA also noted in the recall document that if the condition is present and the driver attempts to apply the accelerator pedal, "the driver will detect the condition through immediate compromised performance and operation of the pedal."

Additionally, if the condition is present when the driver applies the brakes, the driver will receive "an audible and visual alert that both brake and accelerator pedals are being pressed," according to the NHTSA.

As of April 15, 2024, Tesla is not aware of any collisions, injuries or deaths relating to this condition, the recall document states.

Tesla service will replace or repair the accelerator pedal assembly free of charge, according to the NHTSA, and owner notification letters are expected to be mailed in June 2024. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3751. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-24-33-003.



Cybertruck owner shares his experience with a stuck accelerator pedal​


Rt 3:50

 

Firebird

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Tesla recalls Cybertrucks due to faulty accelerator pedal that can get stuck​


Tesla has issued a recall of nearly 4,000 Cybertrucks due to an issue that is causing the vehicle's accelerator pedal to get stuck when pressed down, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Wednesday.

The agency said the trapped accelerator pedal can cause the vehicle to accelerate unintentionally, increasing the risk of a crash. The accelerator pedal pad may "dislodge and cause the pedal to become trapped by the interior trim," the NHTSA said.

The recall affects all 2024 Cybertruck vehicles manufactured between Nov. 13, 2023 and April 4, 2024.

"An unapproved change introduced lubricant (soap) to aid in the component assembly of the pad onto the accelerator pedal," the NHTSA wrote in a recall document. "Residual lubricant reduced the retention of the pad to the pedal."

The NHTSA also noted in the recall document that if the condition is present and the driver attempts to apply the accelerator pedal, "the driver will detect the condition through immediate compromised performance and operation of the pedal."

Additionally, if the condition is present when the driver applies the brakes, the driver will receive "an audible and visual alert that both brake and accelerator pedals are being pressed," according to the NHTSA.

As of April 15, 2024, Tesla is not aware of any collisions, injuries or deaths relating to this condition, the recall document states.

Tesla service will replace or repair the accelerator pedal assembly free of charge, according to the NHTSA, and owner notification letters are expected to be mailed in June 2024. Owners may contact Tesla customer service at 1-877-798-3751. Tesla's number for this recall is SB-24-33-003.



Cybertruck owner shares his experience with a stuck accelerator pedal​


Rt 3:50

There's one of those Tesla trucks up the road from me, has to be the butt fugliest thing I've seen on 4 wheels!
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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There was another story on this forum not too long ago of issues due to using soap as a lubricant during assembly.
I was just going to post exactly that! It seems we weird engineer types aren't stodgy rules followers (at least when assembling items which will carry people) for no reason, after all!

Summerthyme
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Funnily enough the Chinese went directly from rickshaws to EVs

IMO EVs should be put on hold until safe battery technology is available commercially, i.e. not lithium ion.

And a lot of them regret it. Seen more than enough video of them stranded in the snow because their batteries are dead.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
Taken as a whole, it appears 'they' really don't want folks to have the ability to move about as easily, as inexpensively or as far as we've been able to in the recent past.
This is their goal
Has anyone worked out exactly how much generating power would be needed in each country to support millions of EVs, should be quite an easy calculation if you had access to the data, with conversion factors.
No need to do that, "they" don't want everyone to have a vehicle
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I've looked at several programs in the How do they do it series concerning vehicle assembly in the factory. All companies now use exactly the same robots/machines and techniques to build cars, whether these are specialist sports cars or mass produced saloons. I would have thought therefore that the quality output would be the same, yet it took years before they supposedly ironed out the faults in the Tesla Model 3, seems they still have problems with other models.
 
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