Repub Vivek vs Trump

lojoma

Veteran Member
Hi, I am an Iowan. Until yesterday I was 100% confident caucusing for Trump. I’ve seen Ramaswamy several times lI’ve and am now torn. I have been through the Soros allegations etc, so taking all that out, there is a very compelling argument for Vivek. He is the next generation, he has detailed plans, his work ethic here has been beyond belief, his policies are perfect. He is very authentic and smart and handles the presstitutes like a boss. He loves Trump just as I do. Trump was the GOAT president, secure borders economy etc. But the sad truth is he did not drain the swamp, he was duped, he is weak on the J6 issues, etc. Even with that he was still my choice, because I felt having been through it once, he will be ready this time. Now I am not so sure, I know the caucus is hardly a predictor of the eventual nominee, but I am kind of agonizing over this because the whole point is to make the best choice. RDS and Haley are not options for me, it’s Vivek or DJT. Just seeing what people here might think.
 

Countrybumpkin

Veteran Member
I like Vivek also. Trump lite I call him. I distain Haley, and DeSantis also. I really hate to say this, but I really don't think Trump can win. By hook or crook., they will make sure of that. Ramaswamy will probably get the same treatment also, though.
 

Buick Electra

TB2K Girls with Guns
Vivek is either CIA or FBI, which explains why he came out of nowhere, replicates parts of Obama's and Trump's speeches, and is SO SMOOTH.....like Brylcreem, slick but oily.


Vivek Ramaswamy States Christie Exit Was Part of Larger Control Agenda – Predicts DeSantis to Become Haley Partner


January 10, 2024 | Sundance | 85 Comments

In this video [see below], presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy is essentially describing the “splitter strategy” CTH has discussed and outlined in granular detail for years. Essentially, a process where the billionaire donors, hedge fund managers, corporations and multinationals – what we define as the Sea Island group (SIG), control the private corporation known as the RNC.

On this facet of his commentary, Ramaswamy is correct. However, from there he gets things wrong.

Yes, as we have said, the Chris Christie exit is part of the continuum. Remember, within mutually aligned motives the candidate doesn’t need specifically to be an active participant; they only need to be looking out for their individual interests, usually financial.

When the ‘time to exit’ tap on the shoulder is received, it comes via a key backer saying, “there’s no longer a path.” The money stops, and the candidate suspends their campaign. That’s how the process works.

Did Christie get that tap on the shoulder, at the specific time needed to retain the “never Trump” effort, thereby creating further support for Nikki Haley? Yes, absolutely – again, that’s how it works.

The SIG moved all their poker chips to Nikki after they realized the weird behavior of DeSantis meant he was no longer a viable option. When Brian Kemp began creating distance with DeSantis, that’s when the shift to Haley began.

Immediately preceding the shift to Nikki Haley, and specifically because DeSantis was not gaining traction, the evangelical brothers Mike Pence and Asa Hutchinson also received their tap on the shoulder and withdrew from their Iowa effort.

Within the plan of the SIG, Pence/Hutchinson were only camped in Iowa to pull a coalition of evangelicals together to hand them to DeSantis. But that part of the effort never gained traction. As a consequence, the SIG shifted to New Hampshire, where their allied Democrats could assist.

Ramaswamy is correct in the statement that the billionaire donors within the SIG want a head-to-head between President Trump and Nikki Haley, but only because that’s all that remains of the collapsing roadmap. Where Ramaswamy is wrong is that when Haley loses, the SIG/Never Trump group will shift to supporting Biden (Newsom). That’s the UniParty. Ultimately, in the big picture, the foundational effort is not about supporting DeSantis or Haley, it’s about stopping Trump.

The hubris of Vivek Ramaswamy
in this video then makes everything else he says ridiculous, and also explains why he cannot gain traction.

Who is Ramaswamy to say, “our America-First movement“? As if this is something he created. :::spit::: Right there, in that statement, is where we notice who Ramaswamy is. He is trying to co-opt the MAGA Trump movement for his own motives and intents.

There is only one person who holds the allegiance of the American working class and the America First movement. That person is President Donald Trump. President Trump alone will decide later who will take that pragmatic economic-based MAGA movement forward – after his four-year term. This is not that time.

At CTH we accept things as they are, not as we would pretend them to be.

If Vivek Ramaswamy was authentic to his words, if he really wanted to advance the America First movement, he would accept the futility of his position and endorse Donald J. Trump. His unwillingness to do that says more about him, about his [¹]’glowing‘ motives and intents, than anything he might say about Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis.

R/T 1:33

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMv66D7Nr2U


[¹] I have stayed generally neutral on Ramaswamy for a reason. However, he is now sending the exact signals I would expect to see if an intelligence community operator was nearing the end of his usefulness. It’s called ‘Linguistic Programming‘. ie “they will never allow,” etc.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hi, I am an Iowan. Until yesterday I was 100% confident caucusing for Trump. I’ve seen Ramaswamy several times lI’ve and am now torn. I have been through the Soros allegations etc, so taking all that out, there is a very compelling argument for Vivek. He is the next generation, he has detailed plans, his work ethic here has been beyond belief, his policies are perfect. He is very authentic and smart and handles the presstitutes like a boss. He loves Trump just as I do. Trump was the GOAT president, secure borders economy etc. But the sad truth is he did not drain the swamp, he was duped, he is weak on the J6 issues, etc. Even with that he was still my choice, because I felt having been through it once, he will be ready this time. Now I am not so sure, I know the caucus is hardly a predictor of the eventual nominee, but I am kind of agonizing over this because the whole point is to make the best choice. RDS and Haley are not options for me, it’s Vivek or DJT. Just seeing what people here might think.

He's very good on the stump.

I don't know how you can "take all that out" regarding the Soros "allegations"...

He's "authentic"? Dr. Shiva had some withering criticisms regarding his "business" practices; i.e. where he developed his fortune. If true (haven't had time to vet the statements, yet) it would be a brutal blow to his "authenticity".

He has no history in Politics; this is both a plus and a minus.

He does present very well.
He is very quick and agile in his thinking and speaking.
He does say the "right things"

I would need to vet deeply the alleged business practices, and the Soros connection, before casting a vote for him.

JMHO
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Vivek is smooth, almost too smooth to be genuine. We've already had a smooth operator in Zero and look where that got us. He came out of nowhere and like most in the country, I had never heard of him until last year. HOWEVER, his entertainment value is priceless.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I like Trump, I like DeSantis, I like Vivek. I would be happy if any of them won the presidency.

I LOATHE Haley.

IMHO, if she has any place on the 2024 ticket I will think long and hard about sitting the election out as it will prove to me that the Republicans have no desire to, actually, change anything.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Baseline: All politicians are highly suspect, and I don't "like" any of them. But...

I'm not going to jump into voting for an unknown when Trump is in the race. These others are pipsqueaks compared to his known quantity.
 

lojoma

Veteran Member
Well, I’ve come to my conclusion after all the due diligence I can do and appreciate everyone’s comments. I really respect Steve King from Iowa who has endorsed Vivek along with other Iowa conservatives. There are some disturbing aspects to The Summit carbon capture pipeline in regard to Trump touting the endorsement yesterday of the president of that company who will profit handsomely by violating the 5th amendment and condemning private property. I still recall Trump stating in 2018 “Take the guns first and worry about due process later.” Trumps silence on Eminent Domain abuse and subsequent destruction of private property rights can not be overlooked at this time when the constitution is on life support.
I overlooked many things about Trump due to his foreign policy and other great aspects, but this was the perfect opportunity in Iowa for him to stand up for the constitution and instead of standing strong for the 5th amendment he is not only silent, but it now appears he is actually colluding in some way with Bruce Rastetter on this carbon capture nonsense. Without private property, we have no rights. I will always love and respect Trump for saving America as best it could be saved. I believe he and we were robbed of his second term, but the war has escalated so much (between liberty and tyranny) since 2021, that we are not in the same place anymore and it truly is a 1776 moment. We are dying domestically. If I’m being duped so be it, but Vivek has demonstrated a very deep knowledge of the constitution. I have a somewhat sneaking suspicion that voting and caucusing will not matter much in the end but as a matter of conscience, I will vote the constitution every time, again thank you everyone who commented. Liberty above all.
 

glennb6

Inactive
Ioloma, pretty well said there.
We're dying domestically because of mass corruption and fraud throughout the entire system. So how to save and fix the problem? IMO it is not just a vote for whomever gives the best presentations and speeches. While necessary and quite important to have a candidate present their positions, those positions have almost every time proven to be impermanent to the point of meaningless.

Step back further and recognizing that the 'system' allows for mass corruption and fraud. That being the rules and those applying the rules. Until and unless the general public let alone candidates openly acknowledge this, there will be no improvement.

Maybe KimJung in NK has a good idea with executions by cannon, by mortars, by hungry tigers, or some of the muzzies with chopping off fingers, hands, genitals, etc, maybe China with 'suicides' of some corrupt corporate leaders. At least these guys put the fear and delivery of death in the face of corruption and public theft.

I still rather like the innocent until and unless proven guilty part of our system, but when the judges bend the laws, when the guilty are given wrist slaps only, the nullifies the intent and purpose of innocent until and unless proven guilty.
Perhaps civilian supra version supreme court to review, accept, or reject traditional court sentences/conclusions. An overseer of the courts. A more democratized version of justice than a representative version. Perhaps all voluntary short term positions but with traditional legal counsel available. Or short term or case specific positions based on a draft/recruitment.
I see the current representative and assigned positions, particularly long term to lifelong as highly susceptible to graft and corruption, with a more distributed democratic way of conducting justice as a possible solution.

So do any of the politicians even bring up anything like this? I haven't heard of it. They all want to play within the current system. That system lets them fight amongst themselves but not the the party (actually a uni-party) system.

thoughts?
 

ChetekTech

Veteran Member
I like him. Not enough history to vote for him now, but I could see it possible in 2028.

That's if we still have a country.
 

glennb6

Inactive
y'all have probably seen the video of Vivek and Zero using the same lines and phrases during speeches. not just a couple of isolated coincidental ones, but many and virtually word for word. That went a bit too far to explain away as a campaign manager's mistake I'm afraid. That pretty much aced it for me as a no vote for Vivek
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I like the words Ramaswamy speaks- just as I liked Trump's. I don't trust anyone who is seeking great power over us.

I saw this vid yesterday about Trump. This is exactly what my concerns are. In this one, Trump reads a story of a woman and a snake.... similar to the frog and scorpion story. Just ask yourself this question: who is Trump referring to as the snake? In the spiritual realm, the consent of man must be gained as mankind was given dominion over this world. That consent must be informed, so the evil ones tell you the truth while they are robbing and killing you. They gain power/ authority to kill you when you agree to it!

Wolf In Orange Sheep's Skin! New Ad Says God Made Trump A Shepard For Mankind

RT 18:31
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
I like the words Ramaswamy speaks- just as I liked Trump's. I don't trust anyone who is seeking great power over us.

I saw this vid yesterday about Trump. This is exactly what my concerns are. In this one, Trump reads a story of a woman and a snake.... similar to the frog and scorpion story. Just ask yourself this question: who is Trump referring to as the snake? In the spiritual realm, the consent of man must be gained as mankind was given dominion over this world. That consent must be informed, so the evil ones tell you the truth while they are robbing and killing you. They gain power/ authority to kill you when you agree to it!

Wolf In Orange Sheep's Skin! New Ad Says God Made Trump A Shepard For Mankind

RT 18:31
Matthew 24:24
 

wobble

Veteran Member
Vivek is smooth, almost too smooth to be genuine. We've already had a smooth operator in Zero and look where that got us. He came out of nowhere and like most in the country, I had never heard of him until last year. HOWEVER, his entertainment value is priceless.
I noticed he is so smooth that not even a single peach fuzz hair is allowed to exist on his ear lobes nor a facial whisker gets to develop beyond 1 hour. He should rethink his trajectory to be a model/spokesperson for his body hair removal products.
 
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