INTL Video (1 minute) -- The forced illegals problem in Ireland
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jward
passin' thru
Just a few days ago I posted something about the government asking CITIZENS to be indoors by nightfall (i think it was) because of the danger posed by these folks who didn't yet understand Irish culture or some such nonsense.
That there is the reek of an already conquered country IMHO : (
That there is the reek of an already conquered country IMHO : (
jward
passin' thru
There is this, too... Ireland is toast. Burnt Black toast.
This is why I get splodey heads when the folks start whining about who we should or shouldn't read or quote or post- they've been radicalized by these kinds of forces, and this is what the end of that road leads to.
Well, it ultimately leads to the back fourty, digging your own grave, but this is one of the major stops along the journey.
Free Speech Ireland
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This is why I get splodey heads when the folks start whining about who we should or shouldn't read or quote or post- they've been radicalized by these kinds of forces, and this is what the end of that road leads to.
Well, it ultimately leads to the back fourty, digging your own grave, but this is one of the major stops along the journey.
Free Speech Ireland
@FreeSpeechIre
The Irish government wants to pass a law that could see you or your loved ones jailed for possession of memes, cartoons or any content that could be deemed "hateful". The Bill includes no definition of hate and is wide open to abuse by bad actors. Defend free speech – say no to this legislation. Sign the petition: https://freespeechireland.ie/TakeAction/
View: https://twitter.com/FreeSpeechIre/status/1746854766032846910?s=20
Melodi
Disaster Cat
This is the nearest town where we do most of our shopping, banking, etc. I live outside a tiny rural village with only a post office and a convenience store. Roscrea is pretty much where we do everything. They are saying the first group to arrive are women and children. If so, I will know soon because my housemate is in contact with people who donate knitting needles and supplies to migrant/refugee centers. If it is only women and children, we might do something ourselves.
The indications are that a second or third lot of single men may be added. This hotel is about five miles from the city itself. So, while the ladies and their kids will have problems getting supplies, their kids in school, or to GP appointments, the single men probably will be able to walk into town where, since they have almost no money, they can hang out, and that isn't a good look.
I will keep a local eye on this situation and see what happens. Most people don't mind the women and kids (I don't), especially if they are fully supported. Heck, I'll help tutor English if I get a chance. But if this turns out to be a cover for bringing in a few families and then dumping a whole lot of single, Middle Eastern, and African men, I will be aware of that too.
The serious issue is that the government keeps dumping large numbers of people in small towns and villages that don't have the resources to cope. In this case, five miles from things like bus stops or a grocery store. Also, ALL the GPs in the area are full, as are the schools (as far as I know). Will they bring in doctors and start up a one-room schoolhouse at the hotel?
This will be "interesting" to watch, and trust me I will be doing so.
The indications are that a second or third lot of single men may be added. This hotel is about five miles from the city itself. So, while the ladies and their kids will have problems getting supplies, their kids in school, or to GP appointments, the single men probably will be able to walk into town where, since they have almost no money, they can hang out, and that isn't a good look.
I will keep a local eye on this situation and see what happens. Most people don't mind the women and kids (I don't), especially if they are fully supported. Heck, I'll help tutor English if I get a chance. But if this turns out to be a cover for bringing in a few families and then dumping a whole lot of single, Middle Eastern, and African men, I will be aware of that too.
The serious issue is that the government keeps dumping large numbers of people in small towns and villages that don't have the resources to cope. In this case, five miles from things like bus stops or a grocery store. Also, ALL the GPs in the area are full, as are the schools (as far as I know). Will they bring in doctors and start up a one-room schoolhouse at the hotel?
This will be "interesting" to watch, and trust me I will be doing so.
mzkitty
I give up.
You can watch the invasion, Melodi, but like us there's not a thing you can do about it. Really.
desertvet2
Veteran Member
Make notes of who the people are encouraging and abetting this activity. Ie politicians, public servants.
Santa checks his list twice, noting who is naughty and who is nice.
You...YES, YOU.
YOU WILL HAVE TO GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY....sooner or later.
The only way out, is through.
Santa checks his list twice, noting who is naughty and who is nice.
You...YES, YOU.
YOU WILL HAVE TO GET YOUR HANDS DIRTY....sooner or later.
The only way out, is through.
GeneSD
Retired December 31 2022
The World Economic Forum's Agenda 2030 might be a masterstroke in employing the Cloward-Piven strategy on Western nations. The orchestrated chaos, that the WEF, under the guise of global cooperation, is strategically promoting mass migration from third-world nations to overload Western countries. This influx would then create a colossal burden on social welfare systems, ultimately leading to a crisis that demands a drastic overhaul of policies, aligning with the WEF's envisioned global governance. This grand plot is nothing short of a Cloward-Piven ballet on the global stage, with the WEF pulling the strings to engineer a seismic shift in political and economic landscapes.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Well, if it is ladies and kids, I may be able to help (along with housemates) with things like knitting and spoken English tutoring. I did research at the University into foreign student and immigrant subcultures. The way you assimilate people properly is to get them to speak the local language and keep them active as soon as possible, followed by employment or, in the case of a refugee Mother with several kids, contact with others so that when her children are a bit older, she can work and has friends in the community.
There's a right way and a wrong way to do this. Sweden is one of the best examples of the wrong way. The right way is to take in a limited number of people in any given area and concentrate not just on physical support but also on intensive language classes and cultural information. When I tutored foreign students with limited English skills, we had classes like Let's Go to the Supermarket, Let's Go to the Coffee Shop, and Let's Go to the Library. All of which required practicing not just English but learning how things are done in America - no, you don't barter prices at the checkout counter.
My housemate just got home and is already up on this one. She said the "plan" is to take a bus (school bus) a couple of times a week into town for short periods. She also said they usually don't mix families with single men in the same hotel (good news).
Ireland is a small country, so things are not hopeless, or they don't have to be hopeless. The US, Germany, or Sweden, now that's another story.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
While this is part of the problem in Ireland, the crisis is the sudden influx of about 160,000 Ukrainians, most of whom are women and kids. Most people don't mind them, but they have been used by the government as a "cover" to sneak "migrant centers" full of single men into small communities that can't support them. Even communities that do welcome women and kids (from anywhere, especially when they are real refugees) are left hanging because they don't have the resources to support more people, and the government doesn't provide much of anything to help them cope either. Things like school places, extra medical services, and public transportation.
No one trusts the government anymore, because they have spent a lot of time lying about the situation.
jward
passin' thru
Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
BREAKING: The Irish gardaí are assaulting and arresting Irish citizens who are protesting outside a hotel set to take in migrants in Roscrea.
Irish President Conor McGregor has a nice ring to it.
The hotel will be taking in 160 “asylum seekers.”
Roscrea is a small town with just 5500 people. Dozens of gardaí guarded the entrance of the hotel, refusing to let protesters in.
View: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1746925153500746193?s=20
@CollinRugg
BREAKING: The Irish gardaí are assaulting and arresting Irish citizens who are protesting outside a hotel set to take in migrants in Roscrea.
Irish President Conor McGregor has a nice ring to it.
The hotel will be taking in 160 “asylum seekers.”
Roscrea is a small town with just 5500 people. Dozens of gardaí guarded the entrance of the hotel, refusing to let protesters in.
View: https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1746925153500746193?s=20
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That is what is known in the trade as a Soft Invasion.
IT'S STILL A FREAKIN' INVASION!!!
I'd not help at all if I valued the dirt under my feet and the Ancestors (like Michel Collins) who sleep in it.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Well, plenty of Irish women and kids relocated to the US during the waves of wars before Independence and during the Irish Civil War. Ditto; many men had to go into exile when one side or the other was on top for a time.
Of course, they came in legally through Ellis Island. The Ukrainian women and children came in LEGALLY to Ireland. The Middle Eastern and North African single men did NOT come in legally. Neither did most of the economic migrants. Scattered about this mess are genuine refugees. Nightwolf interviewed them when he was in medical school, as part of his residency program. There were a few young men who experienced seeing their families murdered and barely escaped places like Afghanistan or horrific wars in Africa. The problem is that they shouldn't be in Ireland unless they were part of an EU resettlement program because they are supposed to apply for asylum in the first country that takes them. If they were declared LEGAL refugees, then they wouldn't have been in a migrant holding center (most of the time). They would already have work permits and be part of a legal program.
Most migrants (non-Ukranians) fly in or come by boat. Very few started outside the EU, or that was true before BREXIT. But if they are in the United Kingdom, they are supposed to stay there, and if they come in via Nothern Ireland, they are coming in illegally.
It's a very complicated topic, but for now, the Ukrainians are LEGAL, and we (the Irish) need to treat them as guests, some of whom are likely to stay. Things will go better if they speak English, have jobs and their kids get a proper education.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Every aspect of the invasions is choreographed, including the Ukranians....and the Palestinians, the Afghans and so on and so forth. It's a world wide invasion on the free West. Period. They are used as pawns, many are good folks, many are not......the smart one's will be glad they stayed home.
GeneSD
Retired December 31 2022
Western countries are grappling with the repercussions of past sociological policies, characterized by unsustainable birth rates and an aging population. Faced with financial constraints and an inability to adequately care for their citizens, these governments have turned to immigration as a means to boost population numbers and expand the tax base. However, the long-term consequences were not fully considered, as integrating new arrivals into society takes generations, leading to potential societal tensions that could threaten the stability of the government. While this approach appeared successful in the early days of the United States with predominantly Western European immigrants, contemporary challenges in larger nations highlight the complexities. The implications for smaller countries like Ireland raise concerns about the unique hurdles they may encounter in the future. The WEF is exploiting the West to usher in their concept of a one wold government where the elite control everything.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
It takes three generations (when handled correctly). Still, when done correctly, even the first generation can learn to live in their new country, work there, and even become citizens of their new country.
Historically, even in the US, the first generation tends to live with or near people of the exact origin. Often, they settle in places that remind them of home. Scandinavians in Minnesota and Italians are starting Olive Groves in California. Or where they found work, the Chinese on both sides of the railroads, but especially in California.
The difference is that almost ALL the older generation wanted their kids to be Americans. Some wouldn't even speak their native language at home and/or only allowed it to be spoken with a grandma who came over on the boat with them. Study and school were encouraged. The valedictorian of my High School Class was from an immigrant family so poor they lived in a shack built partly of pallets, but she had the highest grades.
While the older generation tends to live in communities like Chinatown, Little Italy, or Solvang (Danish), the second generation tends to move on and out into the wider community.
By the third generation, all going well, the kids are Americans (or Swedes, Irish, what have you).
But all this depends on the combination of the First Generation Wanting their families to join the larger culture and the larger culture being something they see as good and worthy of joining. Or, as happened in Sweden (I saw it with my own eyes), they were dumped with hundreds, if not thousands, of other people from the same part of the world. They were given little access to Swedish life, customs, or language. The result was the kids didn't really grow up in Sweden or even a niche cultural enclave (you could call it the Casbah) where old fogey parents and grandparents listen to Al Jezera. Still, the kids are busy shopping downtown, eating fast food, and mingling with Swedish friends. That is what should have happened, but instead, it was as if they grew up in their parent's country, only more isolated.
Another issue is that before the war, Ukrainian life was on the lower end of First World, but it was still First (or Second World like Ireland when we moved here). People know what indoor plumbing is, how to use computers, go to a coffee shop, work a regular job, and cook in a modern kitchen. Like the Polish before them, someone from rural Ukraine will likely fit into rural Ireland pretty well. Locally, we already have people working in places like supermarkets, fast food, and local small businesses.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is this, too... Ireland is toast. Burnt Black toast.
This is why I get splodey heads when the folks start whining about who we should or shouldn't read or quote or post- they've been radicalized by these kinds of forces, and this is what the end of that road leads to.
Well, it ultimately leads to the back fourty, digging your own grave, but this is one of the major stops along the journey.
Free Speech Ireland
@FreeSpeechIre
The Irish government wants to pass a law that could see you or your loved ones jailed for possession of memes, cartoons or any content that could be deemed "hateful". The Bill includes no definition of hate and is wide open to abuse by bad actors. Defend free speech – say no to this legislation. Sign the petition: https://freespeechireland.ie/TakeAction/
View: https://twitter.com/FreeSpeechIre/status/1746854766032846910?s=20
They want to force a reaction.
If they get a reaction, they win.
If they don't get a reaction, they still win. (because the pop. has already given up...)
They generally excel at these types of "Heads I win, tails you lose!" arrangements.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I know, but as a child, I lived in an area with a lot of immigration. My mother's relatively small Methodist Church had 36 different countries represented at the Christmas Around the World supper, including one from Iran. I have no idea what their faith was when they arrived, but I went to high school with my daughter, who dated boys and dressed like everyone else. Growing up, I thought that it was customary in America to have classmates with parents from Korea and Denmark. A big issue was the Danish father putting his boys in short pants and them being bullied at school for it.Melodi, the difference is -- for the most part you can't get away from Islam.
Interestingly, there were several cases in Sweden (and I saw it among my students, too) where one or two families (Muslims) were sent to a small village, say in North Sweden, and they did just fine. Why? Because they were alone among friendly people who didn't feel threatened, and they had no one from their home country (or religion) to team up with or to criticize them. But this only works with small groups. A similar thing happened with a program in the US that took highly motivated welfare families and moved them to rural communities. Just one or, at most, two families tended to do very well. The kids got an education, and the Moms either got jobs or were at least productive community members. But add more than about six people, and it all falls apart.
Sweden and Germany, in particular, did things backward by throwing people into enclaves, making it very difficult to leave them. The Muslim religion does tend to make things even more insular and more difficult for people to break out and join the larger culture.
Ireland needs NOT to repeat that mistake. You can't stop people from choosing to live near each other in a free country, but you can avoid settling them in large, homogenous groups in one area. Doing that effectively makes a little enclave of "home" and discourages people from entering the wider world of their new country. Instead, they make a tiny imitation of the old one. Combine that with fundamentalist Islam and there are going to be serious problems.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
There was a thread on here in Nov or Dec and comments were made about there being very few if any Muslim Immigrant Invaders in Ireland.
I remember thinking to my self "Not sure I'd have waved that flag in the face of the OWG-Inclusive-MultiCultural Set".
I am devastated at the bad news.
I remember thinking to my self "Not sure I'd have waved that flag in the face of the OWG-Inclusive-MultiCultural Set".
I am devastated at the bad news.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Fire…..looking for black powder….just may find it one day.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
And Denmark's one of the best examples of the right way:
Denmark set to keep anti-immigrant policy regardless of vote
Regardless of the outcome of the November 1 polls, Denmark is expected to maintain its restrictive immigration policies.
Groucho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Notice how none of this gets air time in the U.S.? Notice how the major news holdings of corporate America don't report on the rapes in Sweden, England, and the rest of the European countries that the politicians allowed to be overrun by illegal immigrants?
Another thread shows Ann Coulter telling American women their days of being free American women are over.
I wonder how much of this crap is already going on and we're just not being informed. See, we're still armed and TPTB know we could turn and do "something." Based on what I've seen, we won't.
Sad to see the once feisty and brawling Irish pushed down in the dirt by government thugs. Those thugs don't fear for their lives.
Another thread shows Ann Coulter telling American women their days of being free American women are over.
I wonder how much of this crap is already going on and we're just not being informed. See, we're still armed and TPTB know we could turn and do "something." Based on what I've seen, we won't.
Sad to see the once feisty and brawling Irish pushed down in the dirt by government thugs. Those thugs don't fear for their lives.
GammaRat
Veteran Member
They would "win" a bullet to the brain in my neck of the woods.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Whose hand signed the papers to allow them to come? Is that one working for Ireland and beloved by its native people, or just more WEF trash by any other name? It matters.
Being polite and offering Guest Right is what they are counting on.
John Wall
Senior Member
This is a Military Strategy called Defeat In Detail. It allows smaller forces to win over superior numbers. We have superior numbers, and are being invaded by a much smaller force.
I am one of many who does not believe this is all to be accident and incompetence.
en.wikipedia.org
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz3JmXSEM4
I am one of many who does not believe this is all to be accident and incompetence.
Defeat in detail - Wikipedia
Tristan
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Hognutz
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Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
They NEED to burn their refugee centers and houses down.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
And when they do, raise that third (and last) Faerie Flag. If they even remember that there is one.
I imagine, Ireland's Little People aren't at all happy at this turn of events.
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Seeker22
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cheyenneplateau
Dove Chocolate tastes way better than their soap.
"What? Me Worry?"
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I'd rather not see Roscrea's only hotel and convention center burned down. Thank you very much. I gather this is part of the issue. No one complained when 400 Ukranian women and children were housed at the closed convent (in Roscrea), but closing the only hotel and canceling planned civic events there threw things over the top.
And yes, I am pleased to help legal immigrants in all sorts of ways, even women and kids awaiting the determination of their refugee status. These families will likely live here, and some will become citizens. They should learn English and the local culture to integrate rather than be left to rot in hidden enclaves. This is precisely what Sweden did (they also thought they were saving money), and the result is what you see today.
What I am not willing to help with is a massive migration of single, military-aged men who should be elsewhere because they are supposed to claim asylum in the first EU country they enter. And 90 percent of the time, that isn't going to be Ireland. The only exceptions are men who have gone through the LEGAL process of applying in that first EU country they got to and were accepted (after a proper investigation) as genuine refugees (and not economic migrants) and then taken into Ireland as part of an agreed system to distribute certified REFUGEES among the EU countries (Greece and Italy can't handle this all on their own. The others should be DEPORTED, which, as in the US, is easier said than done if the countries of origin won't take them or are not known (and that second problem happens a lot).
Ireland has had several previous waves of LEGAL immigration that have done quite well. The Polish have done exceptionally well. But the cultures are similar. Both are culturally Catholic, have strong family ties and a first-world work ethic, and value owning family farms or other businesses.
The Brazilian LEGAL immigrants have also done well. They have introduced the concepts of black beans and Carnival. But then, there was not a massive wave of them either.
Proper and controlled immigration, even allowing for some refugees from wars (like the Ukrainians) can be a great boon to a country, but it has to be maintained and done correctly. As the head of the refugee center, Nightwolf did some of his residency at explained. "At least seven million people want to come to Ireland, and we simply can't take all of them."
But again, all politics is local to some degree. One of the enormous issues in Roscrea is losing the last hotel that had yet to go out of business. Most Irish weddings are weekend affairs where guests pay for a hotel room, and there's a huge party. It was pointed out there is now no wedding venue or conference area for the entire town and location - you have to go to Birr, fourteen miles away, for that now.
Seriously, burning the hotel down won't solve that issue. It also doesn't solve the issue of no doctors, school places, or transportation for these extra people unless the government provides grants or something (to the local community).
And yes, I am pleased to help legal immigrants in all sorts of ways, even women and kids awaiting the determination of their refugee status. These families will likely live here, and some will become citizens. They should learn English and the local culture to integrate rather than be left to rot in hidden enclaves. This is precisely what Sweden did (they also thought they were saving money), and the result is what you see today.
What I am not willing to help with is a massive migration of single, military-aged men who should be elsewhere because they are supposed to claim asylum in the first EU country they enter. And 90 percent of the time, that isn't going to be Ireland. The only exceptions are men who have gone through the LEGAL process of applying in that first EU country they got to and were accepted (after a proper investigation) as genuine refugees (and not economic migrants) and then taken into Ireland as part of an agreed system to distribute certified REFUGEES among the EU countries (Greece and Italy can't handle this all on their own. The others should be DEPORTED, which, as in the US, is easier said than done if the countries of origin won't take them or are not known (and that second problem happens a lot).
Ireland has had several previous waves of LEGAL immigration that have done quite well. The Polish have done exceptionally well. But the cultures are similar. Both are culturally Catholic, have strong family ties and a first-world work ethic, and value owning family farms or other businesses.
The Brazilian LEGAL immigrants have also done well. They have introduced the concepts of black beans and Carnival. But then, there was not a massive wave of them either.
Proper and controlled immigration, even allowing for some refugees from wars (like the Ukrainians) can be a great boon to a country, but it has to be maintained and done correctly. As the head of the refugee center, Nightwolf did some of his residency at explained. "At least seven million people want to come to Ireland, and we simply can't take all of them."
But again, all politics is local to some degree. One of the enormous issues in Roscrea is losing the last hotel that had yet to go out of business. Most Irish weddings are weekend affairs where guests pay for a hotel room, and there's a huge party. It was pointed out there is now no wedding venue or conference area for the entire town and location - you have to go to Birr, fourteen miles away, for that now.
Seriously, burning the hotel down won't solve that issue. It also doesn't solve the issue of no doctors, school places, or transportation for these extra people unless the government provides grants or something (to the local community).
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
And that is exactly why the West is lost….
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Notice that they put the refugees in somebody's BUSINESS. They didn't build a camp for them.
I wonder if the business owner of the Roscrea Hotel was threatened to do this, or just like a good little Liberal, happily slit his economic throat for the cause? And in so doing, killed a large part of the economy of the poor town these "refugees" are now squatting in.