Vegetarian homesteading?

Flagwaver

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I eat meat, but I do not want to fool with slaughtering chickens if I ever get a homestead to live on. (See other thread saying "for those of you doing it").

I do not want animals because they are just more to feed. I know that beans and grains eaten together make a complete protein. If you wanted to grow a subsistence garden to provide it all. Like vegetables and protein with beans and grain, what would you grow if you had a 50' x 50' foot space? And 7 people to feed?
 

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Flagwaver,

I would not worry about what to combine to make complete protein, that was pretty much debunked many years ago. I have been a vegetarian for 20 years and I have never tried to combine the "right foods" in the "right amounts" and I am very healthy, much healthier than I was when I was worrying about getting enough protein (ala Adelle Davis). As long as you eat a variety of foods you will most likely meet all of your daily requirements. Beans and rice are complete protein and best of all taste good together, the same is true of beans and corn, but you don't need to combine them for your body to use the amino acids that they contain.

I read "Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe many years ago. There is some very good information in this book, but the protein combining is too complicated, time consuming, and unnecessary especially in a situation where you are trying to feed seven people and worrying about the weather cooperating. I recommend reading this book, but don't take it too seriously. Soybeans are complete protein and other beans are excellent sources of protein though not what some call "complete. I don't know any vegetarians who give any thought to combining for protein, that is something meat eaters are concerned about. B12 is another issue that meat eaters worry about. It is difficult to get B12 from a vegetarian diet, BUT it seems that it is less of a problem than once thought. Researchers tested vegetarians that had not eaten any animal products for years and had not taken supplements and found B12 levels in their blood that were higher than many meat eaters. If it concerns you, stock up on a supplement. I take a B complex supplement, but I have taken it for many years - even when I ate meat.

I don't have links to any information about this, but there are many vegetarian websites so if you do a search on google you will find a wealth of information about eating a healthy vegetarian diet.

I just plant what I like to eat that will grow in the short growing season that we have. Feeding seven people - it would probably be wise to plant vegetables that produce well and store well. Potatoes, carrots and beans for example. Another "crop" that we are planning for an emergency situation is sprouts. Alfalfa, mung bean, wheat and many others. This gives fresh vegetables even in the winter.

This didn't really answer your question, but I had to address the protein combining issue. I see it mentioned so often and it really is outdated information. I hope that something I said is of some value to you.

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HoofTrimmer

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Seven people with a 50x50 plot????? Wow, if you ever manage to do it let me know. It is my thought that you will need much more space, especially if you have to fight insects or drought.

I suppose soy beans would be good, you can make your own tofu.

HoofTrimmer
 

pkchicken

resident chicken
50x50 ft and feed 7 people

I take that as a challenge.

first learn companion planting,intensive planting and successive planting.

In a space that small you'd have to give up variety for what plants yeild the most . I think it's worth a try.

beans, zuchini, potatos, beets, onions,carrots,tomatos peppers, limas, blackeye'd peas i'm sure there are others....

depends on what zone you are in and soil conditions and length of growing season.

What zone?

They are doing some amazing things with raised beds and companion planting these days.

I dont know if you could satisfy all your dietary needs but I think you could contribute a big chunk.

pk
 

Flagwaver

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Thanks for giving the gift that counts, PK. Hope! :mus:

Square foot gardening is what I have in mind. It seems it would be easier than some other methods once I begin to master it better. The idea is plant something and once its ready to eat, plant again in the same space. I'm assuming this would be the same as succession planting?
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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You won't be able to completely feed 7 people on 2500 square feet, but you can certainly supply a lot of their needs.

Concentrate on high volume, high nutrient foods. Grow winter squash instead of zuchinni, for example (much higher in calories and vitamins, and stores well)

Potatoes will produce an amazing number of pounds in a good year. Carrots, onions, beets, parsnips, turnips... all good storage foods which can produce a lot of stuff.

Beans- snap beans- will give you a bunch to can in a single row.

Peas are wonderful, but don't really produce as much as I'd like given the space they take- and more to the point- the WORK they take. But they may be worth it as an early crop, to be followed by a later crop of something that likes the summer heat.

Tomatoes can produce a LOT of fruit in a season.

Although a lot of folks like the square foot gardening idea, I'm not sure I'd like it for a large plot. I strongly suggest that you look into finding a copy of "Joy of Gardening" by Dick Raymond. It's likely out of print, but it's a GREAT resource.

He uses "wide rows" for many crops, and I've used his methods for many years. They work- and they are very similar to the "square foot" methods I've read.

I plant carrots, beets, radishes, leaf lettuce, many of my annual herbs, and occasionally peas in wide rows.

I plant tomatoes, peppers, all my cole crops (cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower) on plastic mulch, and only the tomatoes are in single rows. The rest are in various patterns (the peppers do well 3 across about 1 foot apart on the 4' wide plastic, cabbage is planted in a 3, 2, 3 pattern, etc). I also plant all my vines on plastic, in single rows, but only 1-1 1/2 feet apart, instead of the traditional 3-5 feet apart. They grow beautifully.

Consider using pole beans instead of bush beans to save space... grow your cucumbers, squash and other vines up trellisesm cage your tomatoes- do everything to keep stuff growing "up", not sprawling.

If you have any space for animals, consider getting a couple of geese. They mate for life, raise their own brood (and almost always lay a couple dozen extra eggs more than they can set on - and one goose egg is equivalent to 4-5 chicken eggs) and they live almost solely on grass. You'll have to fence them out of your garden (although it took the ones I had almost 8 years to discover my lettuce and cause trouble with the garden- I guess they had plenty to eat other places), and they WILL sh*t up your lawn if that's where they live. But they produce delicious meat- and valuable down and feathers- on no grain at all. (although they need some feed during the winter months)

Rabbits are another possibility- raise them on pasture, using a modified version of a "chicken tractor"- a movable cage that you put over fresh grass every morning.

Again, you'll have to feed them stored feed during the winter, but the practical way of doing this- and the geese as well- is to only breed them during the warm months. During the winter months, cut back to only the essential breeders, who can be fed on a limited amount of feed. You can do that with chickens as well- unless your family eats a lot of eggs, half a dozen laying hens will produce plenty for you, on less than 3# of grain a day. And that is if all they get to eat is grain- if they free range, it's entirely conceivable to keep them on less than 1# a day during the warm months.

The thing about animals- especially some of the ones I mentioned- is that they are capable of turning grass and weeds and insects into usable protein for us humans. We either don't have the digestive system to do that, or we don't appreciate the finer points in eating ants! (believe me, I'd probably try it if I was starving, but unless and until- I'll let my hens turn them into nice, tasty eggs!)

Check out the Raymond book, though- you'll get lots of good ideas!

Summerthyme
 

Flagwaver

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Thank you Summerthyme! I will check out Raymond's book then. Thanks for taking time to answer in such depth. Several of your posts on this board are goldmines. And I'm finding there are many posts here from lots of people that I need to print out for future reference. I like your idea about keeping things growing up instead of sprawling. Always lots to learn. Thankfully learning is fun. ;)
 
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