Vaccine, Not Virus, Responsible for Spanish Flu

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Vaccine not virus responsible for Spanish flu


RYLE DWYER writes on the horror of the 1918-20 pandemic which the propaganda says was caused by Spanish flu (Irish Examiner, May 1).


How did they know it was the virus of Spanish flu that killed millions of civilians and soldiers?

This disaster occurred when viruses were unknown to medical science.

It took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933.

As regards the origin of the outbreak, he relates that a senior US army officer suggested that the Germans might have been responsible for the bug as part of their war effort, by spreading it in theatres or where large numbers of people assembled.

Did they also spread it among their own people, killing 400,000 as reported?

Ryle would have us believe that all those American soldiers who died from non-combatant causes may have died from Spanish flu.

But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated.

A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war.

That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits.

Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate.

After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army.

The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years.

The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia.

This takes no account of those whose vaccine diseases were attributed to other causes.

The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports.

When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid.

But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease Spanish flu.

After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with dangerous diseases.

The rest is history.

Patrick J Carroll,
Lady Lane House,
Waterford.
 

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CHAPTER 2

THE SPANISH INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC OF 1918 WAS CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS

As has been stated before, all medical and non-medical authorities on vaccination agree that vaccines are designed to cause a mild case of the diseases they are supposed to prevent. But they also know and admit that there is no way whatsoever to predict whether the case will be mild or severe - even deadly. With this much uncertainty in dealing with the very lives of people, it is very unscientific and extremely dangerous to use such a questionable procedure as vaccination.

Many vaccines also cause other diseases besides the one for which they are given. For instance, smallpox vaccine often causes syphilis, paralysis, leprosy, and cancer. (See the chapters on smallpox and plagues.) Polio shots, diphtheria toxin-antitoxin, typhoid vaccine, as well as measles, tetanus and all other shots often cause various other stages of disease such as post-vaccinal encephalitis (inflammation of the brain,) paralysis, spinal meningitis, blindness, cancer (sometimes within two years,) tuberculosis, (two to twenty years after the shot,) arthritis, kidney disease, heart disease (heart failure sometimes within minutes after the shot and sometimes several hours later.) Nerve damage and many other serious conditions also follow the injections.

When several shots are given (different vaccines) within a few days or a few weeks apart, they often trigger intensified cases of all the diseases at once, because the body cannot handle such a large amount of deadly poison being injected directly into the bloodstream. The doctors call it a new disease and proceed to suppress the symptoms.

When poison is taken by the mouth, the internal defense system has a chance to quickly eject some of it by vomiting, but when the poisons are shot directly into the body, bypassing all the natural safeguards, these dangerous poisons circulate immediately throughout the entire body in a matter of seconds and keep on circulating until all the cells are poisoned.

I heard that seven men dropped dead in a doctor’s office after being vaccinated. This was in an army camp, so I wrote to the Government for verification. They sent me the report of U.S. Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson. The report not only verified the report of the seven who dropped dead from the vaccines, but it stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of the yellow fever vaccine during only 6 months of the war. That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given the soldiers. We can imagine the damage that all these shots did to the men. (See the chapter on What Vaccinations Did to Our Soldiers.)

The first World War was of a short duration, so the vaccine makers were unable to use up all their vaccines. As they were (and still are) in business for profit, they decided to sell it to the rest of the population. So they drummed up the largest vaccination campaign in U.S. history. There were no epidemics to justify it so they used other tricks. Their propaganda claimed the soldiers were coming home from foreign countries with all kinds of diseases and that everyone must have all the shots on the market.

The people believed them because, first of all, they wanted to believe their doctors, and second, the returning soldiers certainly had been sick. They didn’t know it was from doctor-made vaccine diseases, as the army doctors don’t tell them things like that. Many of the returned soldiers were disabled for life by these drug-induced diseases. Many were insane from postvaccinal encephalitis, but the doctors called it shell shock, even though many had never left American soil.

The conglomerate disease brought on by the many poison vaccines baffled the doctors, as they never had a vaccination spree before which used so many different vaccines. The new disease they had created had symptoms of all the diseases they had injected into the man. There was the high fever, extreme weakness, abdominal rash and intestinal disturbance characteristic of typhoid. The diphtheria vaccine caused lung congestion, chills and fever, swollen, sore throat clogged with the false membrane, and the choking suffocation because of difficulty in breathing followed by gasping and death, after which the body turned black from stagnant blood that had been deprived of oxygen in the suffocation stages. In early days they called it Black Death. The other vaccines cause their own reactions — paralysis, brain damage, lockjaw, etc.

When doctors had tried to suppress the symptoms of the typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid which they named paratyphoid. But when they concocted a stronger and more dangerous vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease which they didn’t have a name for. What should they call it? They didn’t want to tell the people what it really was — their own Frankenstein monster which they had created with their vaccines and suppressive medicines. They wanted to direct the blame away from themselves, so they called it Spanish Influenza. It was certainly not of Spanish origin, and the Spanish people resented the implication that the world-wide scourge of that day should be blamed on them. But the name stuck and American medical doctors and vaccine makers were not suspected of the crime of this widespread devastation — the 1918 Flu Epidemic. It is only in recent years that researchers have been digging up the facts and laying the blame where it belongs.

Some of the soldiers may have been in Spain before coming home, but their diseases originated in their own home-based U.S. Army Camps. Our medical men still use that same dodge. When their own vaccines (required for travel) cause vaccine diseases abroad they use this as grounds for a scare campaign to stampede people into the vaccination centers. Do you remember the Hong Kong Flu and the Asian Flu and the London Flu scares? These were all medically-made epidemics mixed with the usual common colds which people have every year.

Now (1976) we are being worked on again by the vaccine -epidemic makers in their effort to force another multi million dollar vaccine sale caper. Their con men have already talked President Ford into handing over $135 million dollars to start their vaccine racket. Even the insurance companies refused to become involved with such an obviously dangerous and crooked scheme. So, again the medical and drug con men induced the appropriate government officials to guarantee insurance against the, possible billions of dollars in law suits which could be brought against the vaccine promoters if the vaccine campaign is carried out as planned. It’s a good thing Ford was voted out of office. It’s too bad he wasn’t "dumped" before he paid the poison squad the MONEY’ to poison the whole population. However, we don’t yet know if President Carter will be any better. Will he be held in the grip of the medical and drug dictatorship? Or will he investigate — learn the truth — reverse the decisions and make the vaccine makers return the money taken from the taxpayers under false pretenses?

The statement of the swine flu vaccine promoters to the effect that the vaccine is harmless, is false, and the statement that it will protect against flu is false. Fifty-six people died after the shots, some within 48 hours. There is confusion and disagreement among the doctors about all aspects of the vaccine, from the safety and effectiveness to the necessity for it, who should have it and who should be warned against it.

Their scare-head campaign cry is that the swine flu is like the 1918 flu which killed 20,000,000 people. They don’t have any usable and provable blood samples from the 1918 flu epidemic to prove it. That was 58 years ago, and the doctors were just as confused and inefficient then as now. However, one thing is certain — the 1918 Spanish Influenza was a vaccine-induced disease caused by extreme body poisoning from the conglomeration of many different vaccines. The soldiers at Fort Dix who were said to have had Swine Flu had been injected with a large variety of vaccines like the vaccines which caused the 1918 flu epidemic. The flu epidemic at Fort Dix was in no way related to swine. There were no swine at camp (unless we want to sarcastically call the vaccine promoters who caused the diseases -"swine.")

To add to the confusion, the doctors tell the people that there are a lot of various kinds of flu; the one which the soldiers at Fort Dix had was AVictoria flu, there are other strains of flu virus, and also, that the swine flu vaccine which so many people have taken already will not protect them against the many other types of flu. This will be used as an "out" in case of law suits later on when more casualties begin to show up. The doctors will say that the vaccine failed because it was the wrong kind of flu for the vaccine. Of course, no one can prove it one way or the other because viruses are illusive, invisible organisms which are unstable and unpredictable. One dictionary definition of virus is "a morbid poison." The vaccines injected into the body are poison and cause the typical poison reactions. Virus (poison) does not fly around and attack people.

Therefore, there will be no swine flu epidemic unless the vaccine promoters make one like they did in the 1918 flu epidemic. It will not kill 20,000,000 people unless the people submit to the disease-producing shots. There are also, other causes of disease besides vaccines, such as bad food, which has been devitalized and contaminated with poison preservatives and artificial drug concoctions. There are many more causes of disease but no diseases are contagious(See the chapter on the germ theory).

Vaccine drives come and go as often as the vaccine promoters can cook up the slightest pretense of a reason.n Back in1957 they were trying to stir up a vaccination campaign for what they decided to call Asiatic flu. An editorial in the Herald and Express for August 29, 1957 was captioned, "Fear of Flu Propaganda." Part of the piece is as follows:

"What a tempest in a teapot has been blown up over the probability that this country will experience an epidemic of the Asiatic flu in the fall and winter months ahead.

"Even the United States Department of Health is stooge for the panic — and has issued statements which are frightening the public, rather than reassuring them by pointing out that this epidemic, while widespread, gives no indication of being any more dangerous than our usual flood of influenza-like colds when winter comes on.

"Those who read between the lines even wonder whether the whole thing might not be a bit of super salesmanship on the part of those who are making and selling the vaccines which are being prepared.. . ."

I WAS AN ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVER OF THE 1918 INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC

All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918 Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected "seeded" with a dozen or more diseases — or toxic serums. When all those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.

That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others, that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing disease.

When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as the schools, businesses — even the hospital, as the doctors and nurses had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the streets. It was like a ghost town. We seemed to be the only family which didn’t get the flu; so my parents went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick, as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours a day in the sick rooms. But they didn’t get the flu and they didn’t bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of our family had the flu — not even a sniffle— and it was in the winter with deep snow on the ground.

When I see people cringe when someone near them sneezes or coughs, I wonder how long it will take them to find out that they can’t catch it — whatever it is. The only way they can get a disease is to develop it themselves by wrong eating, drinking, smoking or doing some other things which cause internal poisoning and lowered vitality. All diseases are preventable and most of them are cureable with the right methods, not known to medical doctors, and not all drugless doctors know them either.

It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.

While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and MACFADDEN’S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of natural foods. One health doctor didn’t lose a patient in eight years. The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors who didn’t lose any patients will be given in the other part of this book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.

If the medical doctors had been as advanced as the drugless doctors, there would not have been those 20 million deaths from the medical flu treatment.

There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had been vaccinated against. One soldier who had returned from overseas in 1912 told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of infantile paralysis and he wondered why grown men should have an infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect of vaccine poisoning. Those at home didn’t get the paralysis until after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.
 

the_end

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Watchman63 - You got it!

Watchman63 posted, what I also believe to be the REAL TRUTH about how the disease spread.

The vaccine story has had close to zero postive results, read Mercola online, so much data, little good.

The mainstream push for everyone to be vaccinated is more the threat than anything else.

There's one other story that I have not found online yet, and it connects diseased Russian Minks imported by Armond Hammer. They were quarantineed on a ship, yet made it to a warehouse (faulty memory) and spread disease too.
 

the_end

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Dittio

This a repeat of Irish Examiner article from DR. MERCOLA with his comments.

Vaccinations Not Virus Responsible for Spanish Flu
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The following is an interesting commentary about an article on the 1918-1920 pandemic, which the propaganda says was caused by Spanish flu (Irish Examiner, May 1).

It took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933, yet propaganda says that the virus of Spanish flu killed millions of civilians and soldiers during the pandemic from 1918 to 1920.

Many would have us believe that all those American soldiers who died from non-combatant causes died from Spanish flu. However, U.S. Army records show that seven men died after being vaccinated.

Further, according to a report from U.S. Secretary of War Henry L Stimson, the deaths were not only verified but also there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis reported as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war.

Plus, the yellow fever vaccination was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits.

After vaccination became a requirement in the U.S. Army in 1911, cases of typhoid and vaccinal diseases increased rapidly, according to Army records. The death rate from typhoid reached the highest point in the history of the U.S. Army after America entered the war in 1917.

In 1917, 19,608 men were admitted into army hospitals due to anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia, according to a report of the Surgeon-General of the U.S. Army; and this doesn’t take into account others whose symptoms were attributed to other causes.

The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports.

Army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, however it caused a worse form of typhoid, paratyphoid.

They then concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress the previous one and created an even worse disease--Spanish flu.

After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with dangerous diseases.

The rest is history.

Irish Examiner.com May 8, 2003
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Dr. Mercola's Comment

The bottom line here is that vaccines are not the answer. Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our immune functions, which leaves us vulnerable to any number of diseases.

Vaccines contain many chemicals and heavy metals such as mercury and aluminum, which, aside from being immune system suppressors, can cause serious damage to your body.

However, while vaccines help to tear our immunity down, proper nutrition will build and support a strong immune system, which will provide natural immunity against a number of diseases.

I detail the benefits of proper nutrition, which starts with eliminating sugar and grains from your diet, in my new book, The No-Grain Diet. The book also gives you a practical approach to achieve a new healthy lifestyle, and explains how Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) can help you address food cravings and other emotional issues that can get in the way of your dietary success.

To find out more about the vaccine issue, including how to protect yourself and your children from potential adverse effects, consider "The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" audiotape. In August 2002, I hosted an important teleconference featuring nationally renowned vaccine expert, Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, to discuss the real dangers of vaccines and how you can legally avoid them. This professionally recorded 90-minute cassette presents that full conference, and many listeners have called it the most comprehensive overview of the topic to date. It will help you:

* Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your child's body
* Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding vaccines
* Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against disease safely--and for life.

http://www.mercola.com/2003/may/31/spanish_flu.htm

Dr. Joseph Mercola's website is EXCELLENT for alternative healh issues.
HE IS NOT A FAN OF ANY VACCINE and DOCUMENTS WHY!
http://www.mercola.com/
(there's a search engine to access tons of articles)
 

the_end

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Spanish flu from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

two pull quotes:

It has been suggested that the stresses of combat, possibly combined with the effects of chemical warfare, may have weakened soldiers' immune systems thereby increasing their vulnerability to the disease and accelerating its spread. Certainly the close quarters and mass movement of troops accelerated the process.

Bayer aspirin was just hitting the market in the U.S. at the time of the Spanish flu, but because Bayer was a German company, and World War I was happening at that time, many Americans distrusted it and thought that it was a form of germ warfare. This theory was even suggested by U.S. government officials. [1]

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The nations of the Allied side of World War I frequently called it the "Spanish Flu." This was mainly because the pandemic received greater press attention in Spain than in the rest of the world, because Spain was not involved in the war and there was no wartime censorship. In Spain it was called "The French Flu". Spain did have one of the worst early outbreaks of the disease, with some 8 million people infected in May 1918. It was also known as "only the flu" or "the grippe" by public health officials seeking to prevent panic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Flu
 

Wise Owl

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Just like the push for the small pox vax so they could get rid of decades old vaccines they will push this new vax on the pop again. In all the years of my life everytime I got vaccinated I got sick. I don't get shots now and haven't had the flu in years! Funny how that has worked huh? And I used to get the flu every year, but then I used to get the vax every year also........ hmmm......seems like 2+2=4 here to me.... hubby has had the same results............

they will have to knock me out cold to give me anything even resembling a vax.......no way, nada.........don't even try, thank you very much...
 

freebyrd

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remember one of our members just answered a gallop poll about, vaccines and would more media coverage prompt you to get a vaccine etc...there setting it up
i still think most of this bird flu thing is hype to sell you more drugs
freebyrd
 

Cardinal

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I posted on another thread, I think Watchman63 started that one too, that if the flu really did hit young adults harder than the young and elderly, then it makes sense that vaccines were the culprit. In fact, there is no other good explanation for that occurence.
 

LSV

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wow, ok, I have never heard this before. I am against vaccinations, but with all this Avain flu talk I was planning on being first in line when it comes out. Now I am confused. But if it is true and the gov't is just prepping us to be scared enough for another vaccination and the bird flu isn't as bad as they say, I would be very relieved. I guess I am just wondering what "they " have to gain by killing off large amounts of the population with a new vaccine? anyone?

Lisa
 

marsh

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It might be instructive to read the transcript of Dr. Judith Leavitt's speech at the 2003 Summit on Bioterrorism (it is also available in audio online with slides.) She calls it a "Tale of Two Cities." It is about the history of two cities' experience with smallpox, vaccination and quarantine. http://www.upmc-biosecurity.org/pages/events/peoplesrole/leavitt/leavitt.html Here is her introduction:


"One is Milwaukee, Wisconsin, which experienced a Smallpox outbreak in 1894 of fairly major proportions, and caused urban rioting for about a month in the city streets. And here you see Leslie's illustrated rendition of that rioting in 1894. And the second one I'm going to talk about is New York City during the last Smallpox outbreak in this country in 1947. And the lines here are illustrative of something very different from the Milwaukee riots, and that is total order. These people stayed in line, in these kinds of lines for hours, full days, came back the next day in some cases, and there was no sign of the kind of riot that we saw in Milwaukee. So let me start first with Milwaukee in 1894."

Sounds to me like some people wish to rerun the Milwaukee secenario.
 

Watchman63

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the_end

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WHO s to gain?

LSV asked: "just wondering what "they " have to gain by killing off large amounts of the population with a new vaccine? anyone?"

That can be easily answered:

Less people, less problems, more direct control.

WHY IS MERCURY in vaccines? A) preservative or B) Neurological Killer
(answer is both, but there are alternatives to Mercury - it is mostly gone in child "vaccines" but is still in flu vaccines, that Seniors stand in line for)

WHY? to harm and weaken (and easier to rob of wealth, and soul)
 

the_end

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VACCINE FACTS

FAIR USE

VACCINE FACTS

One hundred years ago, children received 1 vaccine (the smallpox vaccine). Forty years ago, children received 5 vaccines routinely (diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, and smallpox vaccines) and as many as 8 shots by 2 years of age.

Children now receive 52 vaccines, in the form of 15 shots, by the time they are 6 months of age if they receive all the recommend shots, including the Prevnar pediatric pneumonia shot.

Vaccines contain THIMERSOL (mercury), MSG, aluminum, formaldehyde, sucrose and phenoxyethanol, which is antifreeze, among many other things. Thimerosal, a vaccine ingredient, is nearly 50% mercury.

Mercury is a NEUROTOXIN.

EPA 'safe' levels are: .1 microgram per 1.0 kilogram of body weight per day. Vaccines contain 12.5 to 25.0 micrograms of mercury, and a 'well baby' visit can see your child have between 50 and 62.5 mcgs of MERCURY injected into their bloodstream.

The CDC (US) has found a trend linking autism to mercury laden vaccines.

Thimerosal is a registered pesticide with the Department of Pesticide Registration of the Environmental Protection Agency.

Vaccines given:

Day of Birth: Hepatitis B Contains 12 mcg mercury which is 30 times above the 'safe' level

At 4 Months: DTaP and HiB on same day These contain 50 mcg mercury which is 60 times above the 'safe' level

At 6 Months: Hep B, Polio These contain 62.5 mcg mercury which is 78 times above the 'safe' level

At 15 Months, the child receives another 50 mcg mercury which is 41 times above the 'safe' level.

Low levels of mercury during critical stages of development have been associated with neurological disorders in children including ADD learning difficulties, Autism and speech delays. Wonder why we have an epidemic of these conditions? As of 2001, up to twenty-four vaccines are recommended from birth to eighteen years.

and.........................

VACCINATION MYTH #2: "Vaccines are very effective..."

...or are they?

The medical literature has a surprising number of studies documenting vaccine failure. Measles, mumps, small pox, polio and Hib outbreaks have all occurred in vaccinated populations. [11, 12, 13, 14 ,15]

In 1989 the CDC reported: "Among school-aged children, [measles] outbreaks have occurred in schools with vaccination levels of greater than 98 percent. [16] [They] have occurred in all parts of the country, including areas that had not reported measles for years." [17] The CDC even reported a measles outbreak in a documented 100 percent vaccinated population. [18] A study examining this phenomenon concluded, "The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons." [19] A more recent study found that measles "produces immune suppression which contributes to an increased susceptibility to other infections."[19a]

These studies suggests that the goal of complete immunization is actually counterproductive, a notion underscored by instances in which epidemics followed complete immunization of entire countries. Japan experienced yearly increases in small pox following the introduction of compulsory vaccines in 1872. By 1892, there were 29,979 deaths, and all had been vaccinated. [20] Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox epidemic ever after 8 million people received 24.5 million vaccine doses; the death rate quadrupled as a result. [21]

In 1989, the country of Oman experienced a widespread polio outbreak six months after achieving complete vaccination. [22] In the U.S. in 1986, 90% of 1300 pertussis cases in Kansas were "adequately vaccinated." [23] 72% of pertussis cases in the 1993 Chicago outbreak were fully up to date with their vaccinations.[24]

sources: http://goodlight.net/nyvic/health/myth/myth02.htm
http://www.vaclib.org/indexdoc.htm#basic
 

Watchman63

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LSV said:
I guess I am just wondering what "they " have to gain by killing off large amounts of the population with a new vaccine? anyone?

Lisa

Although I know there are plenty of opinions floating around out there about TPTB wanting to kill off large numbers of people, I do not think that is the motivation. I don't think "they" want to kill people off so much as "they" are interested in making huge profits without regard to the consequences of profit as the sole motivation.

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. That is enough of a reason.
 

Brutus

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The reason so many young men died of the flu in WWI was because it started at a place that was populated almost entirely by young men - Fort Riley, KS. The flu started there, the men going to France took it to Europe, and it came back to the US with Europeans coming here on ships and with our men returning from the war in 1919-20.

:rolleyes:
 

Gayla

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Watchman63 said:
Although I know there are plenty of opinions floating around out there about TPTB wanting to kill off large numbers of people, I do not think that is the motivation. I don't think "they" want to kill people off so much as "they" are interested in making huge profits without regard to the consequences of profit as the sole motivation.

The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. That is enough of a reason.

Agreed, Watchman. The whole Merck scenario shows it's all about money.

the_end has some very warped opinions. :shk:
 

the_end

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Not an opinion, more of an observation

In answering the "why" and possibly the WHO, it's more an OBSERVATION than an opinion - simply why would someone wish to "kill off" populations?

Ask Prince Phillip why he stated (he gives the answer in his statement):
"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels." Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund
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On May 11th 1987, the London Times ran a front-page story, headlines, "SMALLPOX VACCINE TRIGGERED AIDS VIRUS". The gist of the story was that, somehow, the World Health Organisation (WHO) in its efforts to eradicate smallpox in the third world, had triggered millions of AIDS cases in Africa, Haiti, and Brazil. A WHO adviser said:

"I thought it was just a coincidence until we studied the latest findings about the reactions which can be caused by Vaccination. Now I believe the smallpox vaccine theory is the explanation to The AIDS explosion".

Health statistics from WHO reveal that the greatest spread of HIV (AIDS virus) Infection coincides with the areas having the most intensive vaccination programs. It has been speculated that smallpox vaccine given to millions throughout Africa, Haiti and Brazil has the potential to weaken the immune system of susceptible individuals. This can result in the dormant AIDS viruses present In such people to become activated and assume virulent powers. Dr Robert Gallo, America's number one AIDS researcher has stated:

"I have been saying for some years that the use of live vaccines such as that used from smallpox can activate a dormant infection such as HIV (AIDS)."

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sinclair.html
 
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the_end

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Same names and groups say and do the same things

It has been estimated that about 500,000 Rwandan people have been killed, most of whom are women and children. This is in keeping with the tenets of the Global 2000 Report which was written during the Carter administration. One of the authors of the Global 2000 Report is Henry Kissinger. The Global 2000 Report is based on a "study" carried out by the Club of Rome.

I will not post about this again. It's a serious subject, and moot, unless one wished to know the who, the what and the why.

It's much easier/simpler for people to deal with problems like they are accidents, acts of god or nature.

would prefer to offer solutions and fighting the beast ain't one of them.

the solution is stay away from vaccines, eat healthy, stay alert, find a way to keep family home and safe if problems arrive

it don't matter the who or why at this time

just the what, when and the where
 

Watchman63

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I have no doubt that there are those, like Prince Philip, who have ideas about reducing world population by war and disease.

I just happen to think that greed is reason enough to explain promotion of dangerous vaccines.
 

Warthog

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Yes The End. I heard when the villagers see the UN health trucks pulling up, they take their children and run to the hills and hide. Sum bitches ain't sticking me with any of their vaccines. :sh1:
 

the_end

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Agree

Agree, Watchman63 - profit too

Rockefeller figured that out in the early 1900s - control the MDs schools, pharmas and hospitials. It's like ring around the rosey for profits!

a sick population is easier to control and dupe (and loot)

time will tell

WE MUST KEEP OUR SPIRIT UP
so, I'll concede

it's all about money.
 

CeeBee

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WRONG

Such lies. Sounds like the typical rubbish promoted by anti-medicine-establishment types like homeopaths. Vaccines only contain killed (or rarely) weakened virus components and trace ingredients such as preservatives. Even though there has never been any proven harm from thimerserol, it's being removed from modern vaccines. Killed virus vaccines CAN'T cause a disease unless they should somehow be contaminated with some live agent. Even ones made with weakened virus can only cause a trivial infection. The worst thing that can happen is a sensitivity caused by an overreaction of the immune system--but you're not going to "catch" something unrelated.

Vaccines are a revolution in medicine that have saved millions of lives. They are based on a very straightforward observation: those who have contracted a disease don't come down with it again, unless the infectious agent has mutated or the resistance wears off. So it's just common sense that if you can be exposed to the same virus (safely, using killed virus for example), you can develop the same immunity as somebody who caught the full-blown illness.

Despite the obvious practicality of vaccination, most opponents don't even acknowledge this mechanism, claiming vaccines don't even work, can't work. This is an Achilles heel, because whatever else you can claim, it's really incredible to claim that vaccination isn't effective.

Polio was virtually wiped out thanks to vaccination. DUH--it works.

Disastrous childhood diseases like diptheria, mumps, measles are bad enough but every year millions die worldwide of ordinary flu that could have been prevented by vaccines. You better believe I'll be getting this year's flu virus--last thing I need is to wonder if I've got the bird flu or be set back by illness to get a worse case of bird flu. It will be the lack of an effective H5N1 virus that dooms you.

These kinds of lies, well-intentioned as they might be, are spread by those who just don't understand the true mechanisms of disease and disorder and so alternate "explanations" arise for those who clutch desperately for something to make sense to them.

Note how many of the claims discussed above are merely horrifying ASSERTIONS with no evidence or research to back them up. Yet the overwhelming evidence on the safety and effectiveness of vaccination is conveniently dismissed.

It's criminal that those espousing these "alternative" viewpoints are responsible for the deaths and disabilities of people, especially children, due to willful failure to take care of the vaccination of those most vulnerable.

Sorry to buck the prevailing sentiment in this thread, but somebody had to speak up.
 
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Watchman63

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CeeBee said:
Polio was virtually wiped out thanks to vaccination. DUH--it works.


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http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm

According to VACCINES Are They Really Safe & Effective? by Neil Z. Miller,
"From 1923 to 1953,before the Salk killed-virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47 percent and 55 percent, respectively. Source International Mortality Statistics (1981) by Michael Alderson."
See page 16.


1. Before the modern era, polio was a mild disease seldom resulting in paralysis.
2. The largest epidemic occured about 1950 and had significantly declined by 1955 when vaccine was first introduced.
3. Disease can not be 'conquered' without addressing the disease cause.
4. Disease is not caused by a lack of "cow-pus", rotting material or carcinogenic poisons in the bloodstream.
5. Polio causes included:
pre-polio vaccines
nutritional imbalances
environmental poisons most notably pesticides
6. Creation of and introduction of the Salk vaccine was motivated by fear that, without the vaccine, contributions to 'polio research' charities would drop.
Test results on the Salk vaccine were biased by throwing out polio cases 'after the first vaccination'. Test results were also biased by including only data from the '11 most accurate states' while ignoring the data from the other 33 states included in the test. I wonder what the '33 least accurate state' data would have shown?
7. Introduction of the Salk vaccine was beset first with known deaths related to the vaccine and then by a rise in polio cases.
8. Truth of the vaccine's true detriment was withheld from the public. Several states had rises in polio rate following vaccine introduction.
9. In the 3 years following the introduction of the vaccine:
The definition of epidemic was changed from 20 cases to 35 cases [per 100,000]!
The definition of polio was changed from paralisis occuring for 24 hours or more to paralisis occuring for 2 months!
The remaining polio cases were then diagnosed as meningitis!
Thus the factor(s) which caused the 1950 and onward decline was in no way contributed to by vaccine. The vaccine was a cause of disease, not a preventive of disease!
"Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine."

"Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection" - Dr. Sabin, developer of Polio vaccine.

"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, has been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country." - Dr F. Klenner, M.D.

"Provocation polio. That is the truth about those outbreaks of polio. And I offer a well considered personal opinion that polio is a man made disease." -Viera Scheibner, Ph.D.

"Poliomyelitis trends in Pondicherry, south India, 1989-91" (Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health [London], vol. 51, no. 4, August 1997, pages 443-48): About 54 percent of children lamed as a result of poliomyelitis had received three doses of oral polio vaccine before the onset of paralysis.
 

the_end

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QUACKSALVER

broke my promise, but one more....

Definition of Quacksalver
Quack´sal`ver
n. 1. One who boasts of his skill in medicines and salves, or of the efficacy of his prescriptions; a charlatan; a quack; a mountebank.

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Quacksalver

The origin of the word "quack" comes from practitioners who used "quacksalver" (German for mercury) preparations. Ironically, the term quack, today is used to describe many doctors and dentists who are likely to condemn the use of quacksalver in health care,

**** ADA’s Council on Dental Materials* warns dentists that mercury vapors emanating from scrap amalgam are extremely dangerous. They recommended a no-touch technique for handling the amalgam. They also insist that dentists store mercury in tightly sealed containers, avoid heating mercury or amalgam, and perform yearly mercury determinations on all dental office personnel. Why does the ADA stress that mercury is such a potential toxin for dentists and their staffs, and then install it in patients' mouths? Does that make sense?

http://drcranton.com/mercury/amalgams.htm

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make your own decisions. use heart, logic, common sense and love.

and Thimerisol is being removed from child vaccines, but NOT ADULT (pronounced: a--dolt!) vaccines, such as flu until 2008 (see CDC) - rubbish indeed! More profit$ for the MD owned Senior centers and plenty of pill$ and bill$ to "treat" the memory loss, Alzheimer's, etc., etc.
 
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CeeBee

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What an unusual defense of the obvious observation that polio was eliminated by vaccination. Again: I'm reading unproven assertions not backed up by independent sources.

C'mon, tell us what you really won't claim outright: that vaccination isn't effective. (Safe is a separate discussion.)

Like I said, it sounds very much like the way homeopaths talk. Such quackery. (Sorry.)

I'll let y'all go on with this nonsense if you must--I don't have to have the last word, but I hope this doesn't end up being a completely one-sided discussion of preaching to the choir.
 

Warthog

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CeeBee that was back in the old days. We have a New World now! You can stand in line and roll your sleeve up for these monsters, ain't happening here. Remember what happened a couple of years ago when they tried to force medical, police, and firemen to get the new smallpox vaccine? Everyone told them to shove it! I hope that happens this time, becuase death can only come to your front door in a uniform.
 

Brooks

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Cardinal said:
I posted on another thread, I think Watchman63 started that one too, that if the flu really did hit young adults harder than the young and elderly, then it makes sense that vaccines were the culprit. In fact, there is no other good explanation for that occurence.
Cardinal, the best explanation is a cytokine storm. No need to drag vaccines into it.
 
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