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US ‘Gets Its Ass Handed To It’ In Wargames: Here’s A $24 Billion Fix
Warships sink. Bases burn. F-35s die on the runway. Can $24 billion a year -- 3.3 % of the Pentagon budget -- fix the problem?

By SYDNEY J. FREEDBERG JR.
on March 07, 2019

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"WASHINGTON: The US keeps losing, hard, in simulated wars with Russia and China. Bases burn. Warships sink. But we could fix the problem for about $24 billion a year, one well-connected expert said, less than four percent of the Pentagon budget, a well-connected expert said, less than four percent of the Pentagon budget.

“In our games, when we fight Russia and China,” RAND analyst David Ochmanek said this afternoon, “blue gets its ass handed to it.” In other words, in RAND’s wargames, which are often sponsored by the Pentagon, the US forces — colored blue on wargame maps — suffer heavy losses in one scenario after another and still can’t stop Russia or China — red — from achieving their objectives, like overrunning US allies.

No, it’s not a Red Dawn nightmare scenario where the Commies conquer Colorado. But losing the Baltics or Taiwan would shatter American alliances, shock the global economy, and topple the world order the US has led since World War II.

Body Blows & Head Hits

How could this happen, when we spend over $700 billion a year on everything from thousand-foot-long nuclear-powered aircraft carriers to supersonic stealth fighters? Well, it turns out US superweapons have a little too much Achilles in their heels.

“In every case I know of,” said Robert Work, a former deputy secretary of defense with decades of wargaming experience, “the F-35 rules the sky when it’s in the sky, but it gets killed on the ground in large numbers.”

Even the hottest jet has to land somewhere. But big airbases on land and big aircraft carriers on the water turn out to be big targets for long-range precision-guided missiles. Once an American monopoly, such smart weapons are now a rapidly growing part of Russian and Chinese arsenals — as are the long-range sensors, communications networks, and command systems required to aim them.

So, as potential adversaries improve their technology, “things that rely on sophisticated base infrastructure like runways and fuel tanks are going to have a hard time,” Ochmanek said. “Things that sail on the surface of the sea are going to have a hard time.”

(That’s why the 2020 budget coming out next week retires the carrier USS Truman decades early and cuts two amphibious landing ships, as we’ve reported. It’s also why the Marine Corps is buying the jump-jet version of the F-35, which can take off and land from tiny, ad hoc airstrips, but how well they can maintain a high-tech aircraft in low-tech surroundings is an open question).

While the Air Force and Navy took most of the flak today at this afternoon’s Center for a New American Security panel on the need for “A New American Way of War.” the Army doesn’t look too great, either. Its huge supply bases go up in smoke as well, Work and Ochmanek said. Its tank brigades get shot up by cruise missiles, drones, and helicopters because the Army largely got rid of its mobile anti-aircraft troops, a shortfall it’s now hastening to correct. And its missile defense units get overwhelmed by the sheer volume of incoming fire.

“If we went to war in Europe, there would be one Patriot battery moving, and it would go to Ramstein. And that’s it,” Work growled. “We have 58 Brigade Combat Teams, but we don’t have anything to protect our bases. so what different does it make?”

Worst of all, Work and Ochmanek said, the US doesn’t just take body blows, it takes a hard hit to the head as well. Its communications satellites, wireless networks, and other command-and-control systems suffer such heavy hacking and jamming that they are, in Ochmanek’s words, “suppressed, if not shattered.”

The US has wargamed cyber and electronic warfare in field exercises, Work said, but the simulated enemy forces tend to shut down US networks so effectively that nothing works and nobody else gets any training done. “Whenever we have an exercise and the red force really destroys our command and control, we stop the exercise,” Work said, instead of trying to figure out how to keep fighting when your command post gives you nothing but blank screens and radio static.

The Chinese call this “system destruction warfare,” Work said: They plan to “attack the American battle network at all levels, relentlessly, and they practice it all the time.”

Billion Fix — And Cuts

So how do you fix such glaring problems? The Air Force asked RAND to come up with a plan two years ago, and, surprisingly, Ochmanek said, “we found it impossible to spend more than $8 billion a year.”

That’s $8 billion for the Air Force. Triple that to cover for the Army and the Navy Department (which includes the US Marines), Ochmanek said, and you get $24 billion. Yes, these are very broad strokes, but that’s only 3.3 percent of the $750 billion defense budget President Trump will propose for the 2020 fiscal year.

Work was less worried about the near-term risk — he thinks China and Russia aren’t eager to try anything right now — and more about what happens 10 to 20 years from now. But, he said, “sure, $24 billion a year for the next five years would be a good expenditure.

So what does that $24 billion buy?

To start with, missiles. Lots and lots of missiles. The US and its allies notoriously keep underestimating how many smart weapons they’ll need for a shooting war, then start to run out against enemies as weak as the Serbs or Libyans. Against a Russia or China, which can match not only our technology but our mass, you run out of munitions fast.

Specifically, you want lots of long-range offensive missiles. Ochmanek mentioned Army artillery brigades, which use MLRS missile launchers, and the Air Force’s JAGM-ER smart bomb, while Work touted the Navy’s LRASM ship-killer. You also want lots of defensive missiles to shoot down the enemy‘s offensive missiles, aircraft, and drones. One short-term fix there is the Army’s new Maneuver Short-Range Air Defense (MSHORAD) batteries, Stinger missiles mounted on 8×8 Stryker armored vehicles. In the longer term, lasers, railguns, and high-powered microwaves could shoot down incoming missiles much less expensively.

The other big fix: toughening up our command, control, and communications networks. That includes everything from jam-proof datalinks to electronic warfare gear on combat aircraft and warships. The services are fond of cutting corners on electronics to get as many planes in the air and hulls in the water as possible, Ochmanek said, but a multi-billion dollar ship that dies for lack of a million-dollar decoy is a lousy return on investment.

In the longer run, Work added, you want to invest heavily in artificial intelligence: not killer robots, he said, but “loyal wingmen” drones to support manned aircraft and big-data crunchers to help humans analyze intelligence and plan.

Of course, you have to find the money for new stuff somewhere, which means either raising the defense budget even further — unlikely — or cutting existing programs. Ochmanek was unsurprisingly shy about specifics, saying only that the services could certainly squeeze out $8 billion each for new technologies.

Work was a little harder-edged. He said cutting a carrier and two amphibious ships over the forthcoming 2020-2024 budget “seems right to me.” He argued the US Army has way too many brigade combat teams — tanks and infantry — and way too little missile defense to protect them. And he bemoaned reports the US Air Force will retire the B-1 bomber, one of its few long-range strike aircraft: If the Air Force doesn’t want them, he said, give them to the Navy, revive the old VPB “Patrol Bomber” squadrons, and load them with Long-Range Anti-Ship Missiles to sink the Chinese navy.

Pentagon leaders should challenge the armed services to solve very hard, very specific problems, Work said: Sink 350 Chinese navy and coast guard vessels in the first 72 hours of a war, or destroy 2,400 Russian armored vehicles. Whoever has the best solution gets the most money. Those are hardly easy goals, Work said, but they’re also doable with technology now in development.

The immediate problems could be fixed with technology already in production, Ochmanek said. For $24 billion, “I can buy the whole kit,” he said. “It’s all mature technologies and it would scare the crap out of adversaries, in a good way.”"
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Bob Work is not a dummy. 27 years in the USMC (rolled out as a Full Bird) and 3-ish years as Under-SECNAV.
Here is his resume.:

Robert O. Work was confirmed as the 32nd Deputy Secretary of Defense on April 30, 2014.

Mr. Work most recently served as Chief Executive Officer of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). From 2009 to 2013, Mr. Work served as the Undersecretary of the Navy. In this capacity, he was the Deputy and Principal Assistant to the Secretary of the Navy and acted with full authority of the Secretary in the day-to-day management of the Department of the Navy.

In 2008, Mr. Work served on President-elect Barack Obama’s Department of Defense Transition Team as leader of the Department of the Navy issues team. He also worked on the defense policy, acquisition, and budget teams.

In 2002, Mr. Work joined the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA), first as the Senior Fellow for Maritime Affairs, and later as the Vice President for Strategic Studies. In these positions, he focused on defense strategy and programs, revolutions in war, Department of Defense transformation, and maritime affairs.

Mr. Work was also an adjunct professor at George Washington University, where he taught defense analysis and roles and missions of the armed forces.

Mr. Work was a distinguished graduate of the Naval Reserve Officers Training Course at the University of Illinois, and was commissioned a second lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps in August 1974. During his 27- year military career, he held a wide range of command, leadership, and management positions. He commanded an artillery battery and a battalion, and was the base commander at Camp Fuji, Japan. His last assignment was as Military Assistant and Senior Aide to the Honorable Richard Danzig, 7lst secretary of the Navy.



Given his boots-on-the-ground time and his Dept of the Navy time he's got a whole PASSEL of clues.

we'll have to see if CDR Salamander discusses this, either at his blogspot or at DNIBlog.
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
Bob Work is not a dummy. 27 years in the USMC (rolled out as a Full Bird) and 3-ish years as Under-SECNAV.
Here is his resume.:

Robert O. Work was confirmed as the 32nd Deputy Secretary of Defense on April 30, 2014.

Mr. Work most recently served as Chief Executive Officer of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS). From 2009 to 2013, Mr. Work served as the Undersecretary of the Navy. In this capacity, he was the Deputy and Principal Assistant to the Secretary of the Navy and acted with full authority of the Secretary in the day-to-day management of the Department of the Navy.

In 2008, Mr. Work served on President-elect Barack Obama’s Department of Defense Transition Team as leader of the Department of the Navy issues team. He also worked on the defense policy, acquisition, and budget teams.

In 2002, Mr. Work joined the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments (CSBA), first as the Senior Fellow for Maritime Affairs, and later as the Vice President for Strategic Studies. In these positions, he focused on defense strategy and programs, revolutions in war, Department of Defense transformation, and maritime affairs.

Mr. Work was also an adjunct professor at George Washington University, where he taught defense analysis and roles and missions of the armed forces.

Mr. Work was a distinguished graduate of the Naval Reserve Officers Training Course at the University of Illinois, and was commissioned a second lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps in August 1974. During his 27- year military career, he held a wide range of command, leadership, and management positions. He commanded an artillery battery and a battalion, and was the base commander at Camp Fuji, Japan. His last assignment was as Military Assistant and Senior Aide to the Honorable Richard Danzig, 7lst secretary of the Navy.



Given his boots-on-the-ground time and his Dept of the Navy time he's got a whole PASSEL of clues.

we'll have to see if CDR Salamander discusses this, either at his blogspot or at DNIBlog.

The very fact he said the below in the OP makes me highly suspicious of him.

Work was less worried about the near-term risk — he thinks China and Russia aren’t eager to try anything right now — and more about what happens 10 to 20 years from now. But, he said, “sure, $24 billion a year for the next five years would be a good expenditure.

Right - China should wait till we catch up.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
He MIGHT have more in depth info on where the Mandarins' economy is going in the near term than we do...just a thought.
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
The very fact he said the below in the OP makes me highly suspicious of him.

Work was less worried about the near-term risk — he thinks China and Russia aren’t eager to try anything right now — and more about what happens 10 to 20 years from now. But, he said, “sure, $24 billion a year for the next five years would be a good expenditure.

Right - China should wait till we catch up.

My thought here is that the Chinese and Russians aren't sure they could win right now. For example, the Chinese economy is (or was) supposed to overtake ours in the next decade. In 10 or so years, once they are truly confident, they might make a play to get us out of the West Pacific by force.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
I would not take these computer simulations lightly. AI is very capable of gaming all scenarios. My guess is quantity (China + Russia) will overcome quality (F-35, etc). Add in the moral degradation of the USA, and the outcome is not that surprising.
 

Murt

Veteran Member
My guess is quantity (China + Russia) will overcome quality (F-35, etc).

kind of like the Sherman vs the Panzer
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
My guess is quantity (China + Russia) will overcome quality (F-35, etc).

kind of like the Sherman vs the Panzer

Eh, I hope we can relearn that lesson quickly in the next conflict. We'll be in it for the long haul once it starts.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
And he also MIGHT think that saying otherwise - would impact his pay check ... just another thought.

That's why you play the games...

Sports euphemism.

Much like a flu vaccine that is an educated guess at what is coming down the road. These war games can give an idea what will happen but the can't account for randomness. Weather, incompetent commanders, attitudes and willingness to fight of the population, etc.

The thing that concerns me is that we are too reliant on our shiny tech toys... Made in China... a few viruses could leave us wide open. We should go back to the age where things were simpler to operate and repair without all the fancy gimmicks...
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Trojan Horses on a chip.

I saw this coming working a summer aerospace job in 79.

Around the same time I recall a conversation with a runner friends humble Hispanic father who as a welder by trade and career intuitively called it right for future conflicts.

His thoughts were smaller faster missile attacking vessels that included sonar / radar and high arc and OTH missiles. I’m not sure if we had any thing near that capability then. I doubt it.

Just pondering a vessel like that with phalanx on board, and an airborne loitering phalanx.

Overlapping redundancy in attack of defend modes.

There be video games for weapon theory. Stop fielding trillion dollar systems that have dime store faults.

Only Traitors or Idiots would allow production to deployment to lose.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Yep, but there's a reason these stories about failed war games get released...besides justification to lobby for money/changes in budgets.

An overconfident or complacent enemy is always a good thing.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Gang, this is why the saying "IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, REDEFINE SUCCESS," is why we are going to suffer a shattering, decisive, and FINAL military defeat when Russia and China engage us. I suggest you read a book called "Twilight's Last Gleaming," about a potential war with China and how THEY WILL SLAUGHTER US EN MASS, AND WITH DAMN NEAR TOTAL IMPUNITY.

We already lost the next war with Russia and China.
 

Disciple

Veteran Member
And what about nukes? If a real war started it would not go more than a week before it went to them. Someone would obviously think if we hit the other side hard enough they will quit.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I look at the numbers they mention in regards to the first 72 hrs.......I'd say nukes are flying long before we hit 72 hrs if it's all out conventional, it will quickly go nuclear, and likely all out at that. He who strikes first and is prepared for a retaliatory strike, like Russia and China, likely go on to fight whoever's left. Both countries are entrenched deeply and have lots of space for housing people under ground on short notice. America only has that for their politicians and military, dumb bases comes to mind.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Work has it right. Further, STOP BUILDING HUGE, EXPENSIVE TARGETS! (carriers) Kill the cash guzzlers. (F35) Quantity, quantity, quantity. To quote (I think) Stalin, quantity has a quality all its own.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I've said before, Carriers are obsolete...

In the next few years, the Navy will be outfitting most ships with killer lasers that will destroy all incoming ballistics at the speed of light, just as Russia's and China's military peak and begin to decline.

This war game in the article, I wonder how many other war games the US won. Sounds more like this one war game defeat was cherry picked to make a story, or to confuse the enemy.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
In the next few years, the Navy will be outfitting most ships with killer lasers that will destroy all incoming ballistics at the speed of light, just as Russia's and China's military peak and begin to decline.

This war game in the article, I wonder how many other war games the US won. Sounds more like this one war game defeat was cherry picked to make a story, or to confuse the enemy.

T'wasn't just ONE scenario. They have run many and all of them have been disastrous.
 

hoss

Out to lunch
The future is in hypersonic weapons and space based weaponry. The race to hypersonic weapons is intense and very real. Whoever wins this race will have a distinct near term advantage.
 
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