GUNS/RLTD US Appeals Court Upholds Gun Laws After Newtown Massacre

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-appeals-court-upholds-gun-laws-newtown-massacre-34573590

US Appeals Court Upholds Gun Laws After Newtown Massacre

By larry neumeister, associated press
·NEW YORK — Oct 19, 2015, 12:58 PM ET

Gun control laws passed in New York and Connecticut to ban possession of semi-automatic weapons and large-capacity magazines after the 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School were mostly upheld Monday by a federal appeals court.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan found core parts of the laws did not violate the Second Amendment because there was a substantial relationship between bans on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines and the "important — indeed, compelling — state interest in controlling crime."

"When used, these weapons tend to result in more numerous wounds, more serious wounds, and more victims. These weapons are disproportionately used in crime, and particularly in criminal mass shootings," according to the ruling written by Circuit Judge Jose A. Cabranes. "They are also disproportionately used to kill law enforcement officers."

The three-judge panel noted that the Newtown, Connecticut, shooting in December 2012 occurred when 154 rounds were fired in less than five minutes, killing 20 first-graders and six educators and renewing a nationwide discussion on the role of guns in America and how to diminish the threat of large-scale shootings.

But the court found Connecticut's ban on a non-semi-automatic Remington 7615 unconstitutional. And it said a seven-round load limit in New York could not be imposed even as it upheld other bans on magazines.

"Like assault weapons, large-capacity magazines result in 'more shots fired, persons wounded, and wounds per victim than do other gun attacks,'" the court said.

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said he was pleased by the ruling. Connecticut Attorney General George Jepsen called the court's decision "deeply gratifying."

"At a time when many Americans have abandoned hope of government's ability to address gun violence in our schools and on our streets, Connecticut's laws — and today's decision — demonstrate that willing states can enact meaningful reform to improve public safety without violating the Second Amendment," he said in a statement.

"Now that the Court has ruled, it is time for everyone involved in the critical debate about how to keep weapons out of the hands of dangerous and unstable people to come together to work toward sensible solutions that will keep our communities safe."

The plaintiffs in the case were groups supporting gun rights, pistol permit holders and gun sellers. Lawyers for those groups didn't immediately return messages seeking comment.

Jake Palmateer, a spokesman for the gun rights group NY2A Grassroots Coalition, which wasn't a plaintiff, said he was disappointed.

"Just as no American citizen should face felony prosecution in one state for what is seen as free speech in another state, no American citizen should be denied their Second Amendment rights just because they live in New York or Connecticut," he said.

The appeals court addressed several gun rights groups' arguments, including that mass shootings are rare events that would be minimally affected by gun control laws.

"That may be so," the 2nd Circuit said. "But gun-control legislation 'need not strike at all evils at the same time' to be constitutional."

The appeals court said the claim by gun rights groups that the ban on assault weapons will primarily disarm law-abiding citizens was "speculative at best, and certainly not strong enough to overcome the substantial deference we owe to predictive judgments of the legislature on matters of public safety."

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Associated Press writer Michael Virtanen in Albany contributed to this story.
 

Adino

paradigm shaper
The appeals court said the claim by gun rights groups that the ban on assault weapons will primarily disarm law-abiding citizens was "speculative at best, and certainly not strong enough to overcome the substantial deference we owe to predictive judgments of the legislature on matters of public safety."

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behold the offspring of guilty til proven innocent: predictive judgement

no need for any one to be guilty of anything

you could be guilty some time in the future. that is enough for here and now

'we owe to predictive judgements of the legislature on matters of public safety'

the legislature predicts semi auto's and hi cap mags will be used in crime

so they have banned them

proper due process and jurisprudence? innocent til proven guilty? right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

all spit in the wind when someone 'might' 'possibly' 'predictably' commit a crime some time in the future
 

Be Well

may all be well
Usually SCOTUS has been good with 2nd Amendment cases.

Hopefully when Trump gets in and proves that 0bunghole is illegal, he can get rid of all 0bung's hires/appointees including the ones on SCOTUS.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
Did any of us really expect anything any different from a Federal appeals court based in Manhattan??? Unlawful rulings are just that, unlawful. What are they going to do when we don't abide by anymore restrictions on our God given right to bears arms. Compliance with these laws even in NY and CT are abysmal and you're not seeing them do anything.
 

Bullwinkle

Membership Revoked
Why is anyone surprised?
The Courts are part of the Government.
The government is not going to rule against it self.
 

Bullwinkle

Membership Revoked
Newtown CT.
It was an exercise.
No cars in parking lot.
School closed for about 3 years.
Pictures of children and teachers were from other events.
There are too many inconsistencies in all their so called shooting events in the last few years.
The greatest enemy of the people is its government.
It is a logical fallacy to think that getting the right people into a corrupt institution is going to fix it.
 

end game

Veteran Member
Disproportionately used in crimes?

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/assault-weapons/

From the link:

Myth: One out of five police officers killed are killed with assault weapons 15

Fact: This “study” included firearms not on the former Federal “assault weapons”list. By including various legal firearms 16 the report inflated the statistics nearly 100%.

Fact: Only 1% of police officers murdered were killed using “assault weapons.” They were twice as likely to be killed with their own handgun. 17

Fact: One 2006 federal government study found zero “assault weapons” were used to kill police officers. 18

Fact: Police don’t think it is a major problem, with 91% saying an assault weapons ban would have either no effect or a negative effect on violent crime. 19


OP's article state:

"At a time when many Americans have abandoned hope of government's ability to address gun violence in our schools and on our streets, Connecticut's laws — and today's decision — demonstrate that willing states can enact meaningful reform to improve public safety without violating the Second Amendment," he said in a statement.

Link showing the violent crime rates in CT from 1960-2014:

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ctcrime.htm

The index rate for 1968 was higher than 2014

Link showing the increase in gun sales for Connecticut:

http://ctmirror.org/2013/01/11/connecticut-gun-sales-increasing-every-year/

Gun sales increase while crime decreases? I guess the us appeals court either can't count or they are developmentally disabled.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Newtown CT.
It was an exercise.
No cars in parking lot.
School closed for about 3 years.
Pictures of children and teachers were from other events.
There are too many inconsistencies in all their so called shooting events in the last few years.
The greatest enemy of the people is its government.
It is a logical fallacy to think that getting the right people into a corrupt institution is going to fix it.

Yep
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
it's just part of the process .... the very same gun issue was just presented to the Supreme Court and they decided to delay any review .... SCOTUS gave the big approval to 2A but doesn't seem to want to handle the fine points involved ....
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
the time to find a tall tree and a short rope is drawing near...

No, that's why the Muslims are coming, to support the government when it disarms everyone except them, who have their mosques full of registered, legal AK-47s. And Muslim convert head of the CIA to cover them.
 
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