HEALTH Untreatable Gonorrhea Is Rapidly Spreading. Here’s What You Need to Know

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Well with MERSA about it was only a matter of time I guess.....

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/se...t-you-need-to-know/ar-AAuhuqv?ocid=spartandhp

Untreatable Gonorrhea Is Rapidly Spreading. Here’s What You Need to Know

Time
Alexandra Sifferlin
13 hrs ago

As drug-resistant gonorrhea rapidly spreads around the world, one team of researchers may have a strategy to combat it, according to a new study.

Gonorrhea is becoming a superbug, meaning the drugs typically used to treat it are no longer reliably effective. Should gonorrhea’s antibiotic resistance continue to increase, the results could be bleak, given that the sexually transmitted disease can cause long-term complications like infertility if left untreated.

In July, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported that around the globe, about 78 million people are infected with gonorrhea each year, and that 97% of 77 countries surveyed from 2009 to 2014 reported the presence of drug-resistant gonorrhea strains. Sixty-six percent of the countries reported the emergence of resistance to last resort drug treatments for the infection.

If a person gets a resistant strain of gonorrhea today, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they won’t ever clear the infection. “At the moment, all cases of gonorrhea are still treatable using some combination of available antibiotics,” says Dr. Xavier Didelot, senior lecturer in the department of infectious disease and epidemiology at Imperial College London. “But at the current rate at which resistance is developing, we could find ourselves facing a situation where no antibiotic works, which would mean a return to the pre-antibiotic era.”

To prevent that from happening, researchers are working to figure out new treatment strategies for gonorrhea. In a new study published Tuesday in the journal PLOS Medicine, Didelot and his colleagues report that relying more on an older drug for the disease may stop it from becoming more resistant to antibiotics.

Cefixime is an antibiotic that was previously used to treat gonorrhea, but doctors largely stopped using it due to high levels of resistance and its inability to clear infections. However, Didelot and his fellow researchers developed mathematical models to look at cefixime’s resistance trends between 2008 and 2015 and determine whether it could still be used in some people without increasing resistance. In the study, they predict that cefixime could be re-introduced successfully as long as it is only used to treat a quarter of infections.

“We are now running out of options to treat gonorrhea cases,” says Didelot. “So instead of waiting for the few remaining options to fail, we need to start using antibiotics in a way that does not lead to resistance developing.”

To deal with gonorrhea infections, health experts in the United States currently recommend a combined therapy of the antibiotics ceftriaxone (and injection) azithromycin (taken orally). Dr. Bob Kirkcaldy, an epidemiologist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) Division of STD Prevention, says that researchers have noticed that gonorrhea strains are becoming less responsive to both antibiotics. But he adds that if a person’s gonorrhea strain is resistant to one drug, it typically responds to the other. Kirkcaldy says it is still “unusual” for a gonorrhea strain in the U.S. to not respond at all to antibiotics.

“Currently recommended therapy is still highly effective,” says Kirkcaldy. “But given the history and what we’ve seen, that may not always be the case.”

The fact that most gonorrhea infections respond to treatment in the U.S. doesn’t mean the infection’s growing resistance is not raising serious concerns. In 2016, there were 470,000 new cases of gonorrhea among Americans, though that is likely an underestimate — the CDC estimates that about less than half of gonorrhea infections in the U.S. are detected and reported the agency. Each year, the CDC estimates that 246,000 new gonorrhea infections are resistant to at least one antibiotic.

Kirkcaldy says getting tested for gonorrhea is an important way to cut down on the problem since current drugs still work and can lessen the number of people who get the disease and spread it. Most people with gonorrhea will not experience symptoms, which means getting tested is critical for knowing if you have it. “It’s important for people to get screened and treated,” he says. “We know this bug can mutate rapidly.”

The CDC recommends sexually active women under age 25, or women with risk factors like a new sex partner, or multiple sex partners, should get annual gonorrhea tests and be tested for HIV if they’ve never been tested. For men who have sex with men, the CDC recommends yearly tests for syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea and HIV. If men have other risk factors, including multiple sex partners, the CDC recommends testing every three to six months.

“There are things we can do to slow [resistance] down and push it into the future while we try to develop more weapons,” says Kirkcaldy.
 

Smoke

Veteran Member
The only way they will cure a lot of the communicable diseases will be make them deadlier...kill quicker, maybe some kind of twitch, so you can see someone and say "Hey, Look they got a disease and will be dead in a few minutes, stay away and don't have sex with them!"
this way the disease will run it's course and be gone and done for...
 

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
wonder if anyone ever thought of not screwing around, best preventative.

Judy

Yeah, you would think so but remember, "common sense" does not compute to an immoral mind.

They'll just try to work around it like AIDS.

“There are things we can do to slow [resistance] down and push it into the future while we try to develop more weapons,” says Kirkcaldy.

:rolleyes:
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
Its affecting mostly the dregs of society, so this is a good thing.

Immorality, do whatever, should have consequences.

Please be safe everyone, and please arm up.

Regards to all deplorables.
Nowski
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm personally predicting drug resistance syphilis. There's nothing that teaches morality better, than watching someone die insane in screaming pain.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
Infertility would be a blessing. These are the same folks that tend to abort their children.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
EASY answer to this....Keep yer dicks out of places you don't know WELL and keep strange dicks out of places you DO know well and have a connection to.


========================================================

Mz Kitty, y'all've CLEARLY been working on diplomacy down t the shop.
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
Situational ethics, has taken the place of the teaching of
right and wrong, in the Western nations.

Therefore, it is left up to ole Mother Nature to do the teaching,
and a strict teacher the dear lady has been, and always will be.

Western nations need to return back to 1957,
when right and wrong was taught.

STD's have existed since the Crusades,
however the prevalence of them was nothing compared,
to what they are today.

Please be safe everyone, and please arm up.

Regards to all deplorables.
Nowski
 

mzkitty

I give up.
Situational ethics, has taken the place of the teaching of
right and wrong, in the Western nations.

Therefore, it is left up to ole Mother Nature to do the teaching,
and a strict teacher the dear lady has been, and always will be.

Western nations need to return back to 1957,
when right and wrong was taught.

STD's have existed since the Crusades,
however the prevalence of them was nothing compared,
to what they are today.

Please be safe everyone, and please arm up.

Regards to all deplorables.
Nowski


Yes, it WAS different back in the 50's.

But I remember the daily personals in the want ads of the Salvation Army's ad saying, "If you are a young girl in trouble, call us now."

The Salvation Army would place you in an unwed mothers' home and put your kid up for adoption.

So believe it or not, there was a lot of teen sex back in the olden days too.

If I remember, they stopped with those ads around the early 70's (?) and the several unwed mothers' homes were closed also. I had friends who ended up in them.

I think it was around that time that girls started keeping their babies, The Pill was available, and I'm sure Rowe V. Wade took care of the rest.

Times were a-changing.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
it isn't just the dregs of society. although there is that....

chuck has the basic idea. keep it in your pants, both people, unless you are married to that person.

it really does solve a lot of problems.

now, that is in an ideal world, and back to the dregs issue. unfortunately, because the world HAS changed it gets more complicated. yes, people did sleep around and/or cheat on boyfriends/girlfriends, but it wasn't like it is today. people had a better chance of having a virgin husband or wife when getting married, and had a better chance of not having a cheating spouse. not foolproof, but better chance.

nowadays, it IS harder to have a) a virginal husband or wife at the time of the wedding, and b) the cheating on both sides seems to be off the charts now.

every state should have blood tests required for marriage licenses, but many stopped those years ago. if they reinstated them, at least at the time of marriage the man and woman would know if they are in danger of getting something at that point. the dregs of society usually are not the only ones end up paying for their choices, and whoever the partner of that person is usually ends up getting infected as well and are innocent, yet they now have an std. i have seen that way too many times. its like the extra kick in the head when finding out that their partner has cheated. so it isn't just the people doing the dipping or being dipped, its the ones around them that end up with it too
 

Sandune

Veteran Member
I'm personally predicting drug resistance syphilis. There's nothing that teaches morality better, than watching someone die insane in screaming pain.

My dad in his early 20's hired as an orderly in an insane asylum back in the day. He said most inmates had later stages of syphilis. He had one crazy guy who loved ice cream. He would feed him the coldest ice cream non stop until it was gone. The guy never suffered a 'brain freeze' because there was nothing left to freeze.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
People get molested, raped, and trafficked.
A person's past isn't any of my business if they don't care to share, and I'm not going to judge w/o more information.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Last time I was on a university campus, there were posters all over warning about STIs...
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http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/college-students-and-stis

College students and STIs
(1)Hey Alice,
What are the most common STDs among college students?

(2) Alice,
What are the average number of STDs on college campuses and the most common ones?

Dear Readers,
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) or sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are infections transmitted through sexual activity or behavior. Most college students are between the ages of 15 to 24 (most commonly 18 to 22), which has been found to be the group that is most susceptible to new STI infections. In fact, people in this age group acquire almost half of all new STIs every year, with individuals between the ages of 20 to 24 accounting for the highest infection rates. This annual increase of new infections can be explained by many sociocultural phenomena, including lack of sex education, insufficient access to safer sex materials, inability to pay for testing and treatment, discomfort with reproductive health facilities and services, and concerns regarding confidentiality. However, the risk of STI infection is palpable, and there are many ways you can protect yourself.

Although young adults are the age group most affected by new STI infections with approximately 9.5 million new cases each year, STIs do not discriminate on the basis of age. STIs affect individuals of all backgrounds, races, ethnicities, genders, and ages. With that said, according to the Center for Disease Detection, the following STIs are most common among college-aged young adults:

One of the most common STI among people between the ages of 15 to 24 is chlamydia. In fact, chlamydia is the most prevalent bacterial STI in the United States, with over 1 million new cases reported annually. Rates of reported chlamydia infections continue to increase steadily with time: between 2010 and 2011, chlamydia infection rates increased by 10.5 percent among women and 12.4 percent among men between the ages of 20 to 24.

Also very common among the young adult population is herpes infection. Herpes Simplex Virus 1 (HSV-1), or oral herpes, is so common that epidemiologists believe it infects between 50 to 80 percent of adults in the United States. Herpes Simplex Virus 2 (HSV-2), or genital herpes, affects one in five college aged students in the United States.

Human papillomavirus (HPV) affects many: there are approximately 5.5 million new cases of it every year, which accounts for 33 percent of all new STI infections annually. There are many strains of HPV, many of which show no symptoms. Fortunately, the Gardasil vaccine, which is recommended for everyone under the age of 26, protects against four strains of the virus, including two that cause warts and two others that are associated with the development of cervical cancer.

Another prevalent STI among young adults in gonorrhea. Between 2010 and 2011, gonorrhea infection increased 5.4% among women and 6.2 percent among men aged 20 to 24. Again, the young adult age group demonstrates the greatest increase in number of infections compared to all other age groups.

Trichomoniasis, commonly referred to as “trich,” is a parasitic STI that can be treated with antibiotics. It affects approximately 7.4 million previously uninfected individuals on a yearly basis, and is unusually difficult to detect in men.

The last STI commonly found in young adults between the ages of 20 to 24 is syphilis. Syphilis presents in several stages: primary, secondary, and late or latent stages. Syphilis is relatively rare, but infection rates are on the rise particularly among men within this age group. The shift of syphilis infection to younger adults reflects a trend; it used to be more common among men between the ages of 35 to 39, but now affects more college-aged men.

Many STIs are able to remain dormant and not show symptoms for years after infection occurs. This is true for both bacterial and viral infections. For example, up to 90 percent of individuals infected with HSV-1 or HSV-2 never exhibit symptoms. For this reason, you might consider undergoing a routine STI screening before having unprotected sex. Better yet, you and your partner can show each other your test results, which is the only fail proof way to tell if someone has an STI or not.

If you have any symptoms or test positive for an STI, don’t fret. Your doctor will help you decide how to treat the infection, and many STIs, including chlamydia, gonorrhea, and syphilis can be treated with antibiotics. Although herpes cannot be completely cured, there are prescription medicines that can help reduce the frequency and severity of HSV-1 and HSV-2 breakouts.

If you think you might have an STD,* find an STI clinic in your area
(link is external)
for testing and treatment.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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exactly that too.

I'm assuming you are NOT talking about someone who you might be considering being intimate with! No, we don't need to run around judging people for whatever behavior they might be indulging in (as long as they aren't pushing it on us or our kids), but you'd better believe that if I were not happily married in a completely monogamous relationship, I'd want a complete history AND medical testing done before I "became one" with that person!

It's funny... the Bible has been telling us for centuries that when people engage in sexual intercourse, they become "one flesh". Most people assumed that was simply poetic license at best, or something other than factual. But modern science is now showing that it is, in fact, true... and that not only can we "share" serious, and often incurable diseases through the act, but that women actually retain bits of DNA from previous sexual partners, apparently forever.

I'm SO thankful I'm not (and never will be again) in the "dating" scene. God gave me one partner for life, and if- God forbid- something happened to him, I'm not at all interested in another. I think Paul Harvey said it best... we're on our way to Forever together.

Summerthyme
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
I'm assuming you are NOT talking about someone who you might be considering being intimate with! No, we don't need to run around judging people for whatever behavior they might be indulging in (as long as they aren't pushing it on us or our kids), but you'd better believe that if I were not happily married in a completely monogamous relationship, I'd want a complete history AND medical testing done before I "became one" with that person!

of course!!! there is no way i'd have sex with someone (God forbid anything happen to fezzik!) before history and tests. not in today's world. i have heard and seen WAY too much to be a naive idiot!

i was meaning that to assume someone has an std is because of just sleeping around. there are too many variables and i was agreeing with faroe in that it can happen from other things that one is not responsible for
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Yeah. Since the original quote was mine...has nothing to do with sleeping with someone, just that I'm not going to assume that contracting the disease was their fault without knowing more. It would simply be a condition (one of many, many others) that I don't want to have anything to do with.
 

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Last time I was on a university campus, there were posters all over warning about STIs...
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Well, they can put warning posters all over the place and even give free condoms (plus birth control) out at every turn. They aren't going to listen. Why? Simply put, it "ruins the romantic moment," they can't stand against the pressure from "friends," or, low morals makes it easier to "scratch that itch" when you excessively drink/do drugs.

Good morals will stand up to the hot and heavy back seat, being "egged" on from your bf's and within reason, the party, hardy, drink fest but as we all know, morals went out with God.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm....

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Posted for fair use.....
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/love-se...s-symptoms-signs-treatment-make-you-blind-STI

STI OUTBREAK: STI that can make you blind is on the rise – here’s what to look for

OCULAR SYPHLIS is in the midst of an outbreak – and it could make you blind.

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By Laura Hampson / Published 3rd November 2017

Video

New reports have revealed that there is currently an “outbreak” of ocular syphilis – the sexually transmitted infection that can make you go blind.

According to the Centres for Disease Control, there were 12 cases of this STI reported in the four months between December 2014 to March 2015, with a further 200 cases reported in the US over the past two years.

The CDC say this is suggestive of an outbreak.

Most of the cases are found in HIV-infected homosexual men but a small number of cases have occurred in non-HIV-infected heterosexual men and women.

As the infection can result in going blind, this has prompted the CDC to issue a warning to doctors to look out for the signs with patients.

The symptoms you need to look out for with a syphilis infection include:

1. Blurred vision and vision loss
2. Sore throat
3. Skin rash
4. Redness
5. Headache

Gary N. Holland, MD, at UCLA Stein Eye Institute wrote in a clinical update for the American Academy of Ophthalmology that the eye can be impacted by syphilis at any stage of the disease.

He added: “Because typical manifestations like posterior uveitis or panuveitis can also be caused by a range of other diseases, an ophthalmic examination alone cannot confirm whether a patient has syphilis.

“That’s why it’s crucial that ophthalmologists remember to order appropriate syphilis screening tests and collaborate with infectious disease specialists in interpreting test results whenever syphilis is a possibility.”

Ocular syphilis can occur without any of the regular symptoms of syphilis showing, so it’s best to make an appointment with your GP if something doesn’t feel right or to get a STI test done if you have had unprotected sex.

Prompt diagnosis is the best way to make sure ocular syphilis doesn’t cost you your vision.

Syphilis spreads through direct contact with a syphilis sore which is typically found on the vagina, anus, penis, rectum or mouth.

To protect yourself against syphilis, you should always use a condom during both oral and penetrative sex.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
I'm personally predicting drug resistance syphilis. There's nothing that teaches morality better, than watching someone die insane in screaming pain.

This will be the case with the snowflakes when President Trump is elected for a second term....

Texican....
An American Christian....
Live Free and Die Free....
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Having lived through the 1970s, and don't ask my how I did that, I have come to several conclusions.

One: We now have multiple STD, sexually transmitted diseases, that are lethal.

Two: You can get any of these diseases in only one sex act.

Three: When you have sex with a person, YOU HAVE SEX WITH EVERYBODY THAT PERSON EVER HAD SEX WITH GOING BACK DECADES.

Four: Since that is the case, the only true options are either marriage, celibacy or virginity.

Five: I have mentioned that within a decade or two from now the PRIMARY SEXUAL ACTIVITY WILL BE SEX WITH ROBOTS. The reason being related to the spread of disease.
 

littledeb

Veteran Member
Has anybody gone to the doc lately and been asked to have a hepC and aids test done? Last week I had to go in for my annual physical, diabetes ckup, and other tests done. Since they were drawing blood, they wanted to know if they could do the hepC and aids tests. I agreed to it since I knew they would be negative, which they were. Now I'm wondering if it was for the insurance or a state study.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
yes, people did sleep around and/or cheat on boyfriends/girlfriends, but it wasn't like it is today. people had a better chance of having a virgin husband or wife when getting married, and had a better chance of not having a cheating spouse. not foolproof, but better chance.

nowadays, it IS harder to have a) a virginal husband or wife at the time of the wedding, and b) the cheating on both sides seems to be off the charts now.

Outside of a partial or near complete collapse of modern day, we'll never get back to any sort of time where it was normal to only have one or two intimate partners in ones life. That ship has sailed.

What could be done now is instead of wishing for a near sexless society (until marriage) we could just accept that young people will be having sex, and maybe tell them it is OK, but that life is better if they engage in committed relationships vs hookup culture. Young people today aren't like the older generations, where they are basically near ready for the world at 17, 18 years old. Many have to serve in the military and/or go to some sort of post K-12 educational school. Some just decide to travel and/or work until they decide what they want to do. Adulthood for many young folks today doesn't even really start until the mid-20s. Adults aren't going to wait till their 20s to lose their virginity.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
One of the real issues is that people are designed so that they are ready physically for sex in their early teens; through most of human history this was fine because hunters and gatherers tend to pair bond early; it takes two plus the tribe/small band to make life work and the most common division of labor is husband and wife plus extended family/tribe.

Even when people settle down, many cultures still arrange for early marriage/sexual encounters OR they have very tight rules and regulations (especially for the young men) who join societies/warrior guards/hunting groups etc; these groups either require celibacy or only allow for sexual relations with certain women (usually married or not from around here) until the boys are considered old enough to marry; girls still usually marry younger.

Either way; either early marriage or very tightly bound social rules (and group activities) young people are not expected to wait much beyond the late teens (even most men) unless there is something highly unusual or wrong going on.

Certain groups may marry very late or very early (people with certain specializations, skills, military careers, priests and priestesses etc) but most people take on adult responsibilities (including sex, birth and marriage) in the middle to late teens; no one except a few individuals is expected to wait until their late 20's or early 30's; in most times in history people are grandparents before age 40; that is just how biology left on its own works.

To expect the majority of people to refrain from sex until there are in the early 30's (if that continues to be the basic age for marriage in the West) is a pipe dream; yes certain individuals will do it, but most will not and history has suggested that even the threat of terrible diseases doesn't stop that behavior; it may modify it, it doesn't tend to stop it.

Others have pointed out the 1950's; I have to compare my Mother's memories that "girls just didn't do that," to my Dad's recollections of being a Hep Cat Cool Swinger Jazz Musician and even given a bit of male ego; I gather there were lots of ladies who could and who did. I think both my parents had reasonable memories, but they lived in different worlds until their married; then my Dad as they used to say "settled down" with my Mom and eventually took up a different career.

My Mom also was worried about being an Old Maid at 20 and had friends who married at age 13; things have changed a lot in the last 80 years, mostly for the better but not everything - I don't think people should marry at 13 but I also don't think making "childhood" last until age 29 to 35 is a good idea either.
 

dero50

Veteran Member
Weaponizing diseases for an immoral population. I wonder how many Jihadi brides have those same diseases? Abducting and attacking our people is another way to spread a dangerous illness.
 

Jez

Veteran Member
Gee with the plethora of online dating and hookup sites, you can't tell me no one saw this coming a mile away. But don't worry folks, thanks to the Japaneese we'll have fembots soon and the only problem will be falling birth rates. You think governments are pro illegal immigrants now, just you wait and see.
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hahaha, I never saw that one, but apparently people in the comments did.



Mzkitty, That Was Hilarious!!!

I have to wonder if the actor was that guy who shot his dick off the other day trying to rob the wiener stand? Lol! V
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Yes, it WAS different back in the 50's.

But I remember the daily personals in the want ads of the Salvation Army's ad saying, "If you are a young girl in trouble, call us now."

The Salvation Army would place you in an unwed mothers' home and put your kid up for adoption.

So believe it or not, there was a lot of teen sex back in the olden days too.

If I remember, they stopped with those ads around the early 70's (?) and the several unwed mothers' homes were closed also. I had friends who ended up in them.

I think it was around that time that girls started keeping their babies, The Pill was available, and I'm sure Rowe V. Wade took care of the rest.

Times were a-changing.

1) I read somewhere that back in Colonial days, 25% of brides were on average pregnant at their wedding.

2) I also have read that there was a surgical treatment for STDs prior to antibiotics. It involved a tiny razor blade on a wire, used to scrape the entire urethra from the inside, all the way to the bladder. (This was before proper anaesthesia, too.)
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
I'm assuming you are NOT talking about someone who you might be considering being intimate with! No, we don't need to run around judging people for whatever behavior they might be indulging in (as long as they aren't pushing it on us or our kids), but you'd better believe that if I were not happily married in a completely monogamous relationship, I'd want a complete history AND medical testing done before I "became one" with that person!

It's funny... the Bible has been telling us for centuries that when people engage in sexual intercourse, they become "one flesh". Most people assumed that was simply poetic license at best, or something other than factual. But modern science is now showing that it is, in fact, true... and that not only can we "share" serious, and often incurable diseases through the act, but that women actually retain bits of DNA from previous sexual partners, apparently forever.

I'm SO thankful I'm not (and never will be again) in the "dating" scene. God gave me one partner for life, and if- God forbid- something happened to him, I'm not at all interested in another. I think Paul Harvey said it best... we're on our way to Forever together.

Summerthyme

I heard that the DNA CAN reside in the females brain.

No telling - how that is impacting them.
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
This is correct...

I'm assuming you are NOT talking about someone who you might be considering being intimate with! No, we don't need to run around judging people for whatever behavior they might be indulging in (as long as they aren't pushing it on us or our kids), but you'd better believe that if I were not happily married in a completely monogamous relationship, I'd want a complete history AND medical testing done before I "became one" with that person!

It's funny... the Bible has been telling us for centuries that when people engage in sexual intercourse, they become "one flesh". Most people assumed that was simply poetic license at best, or something other than factual. But modern science is now showing that it is, in fact, true... and that not only can we "share" serious, and often incurable diseases through the act, but that women actually retain bits of DNA from previous sexual partners, apparently forever.

I'm SO thankful I'm not (and never will be again) in the "dating" scene. God gave me one partner for life, and if- God forbid- something happened to him, I'm not at all interested in another. I think Paul Harvey said it best... we're on our way to Forever together.

Summerthyme

Previously posted thread on this:
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...With&p=6510632&highlight=telegony#post6510632

It makes perfect sense, if you think about it; what is semen, but a material whose purpose is transfer of DNA?
 
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