GUNS/RLTD UN Arms Trade Treaty to go into effect Dec. 24

The New American
Saturday, 08 November 2014
Merry Christmas: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/19486-merry-christmas-united-nations-declares-arms-trade-treaty-to-go-into-effect-dec-24

On its official website, the United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs (yes, that’s really a thing and yes, it is housed right here in the United States) announced that the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) “will enter into force on 24 December 2014.”

Merry Christmas!

It is ironical that on the day before the world’s 2.18 billion Christians commemorate the coming of Jesus Christ to the Earth, the United Nations will officially put into motion a plan to deny them of a right given to them by the very God whose birth they celebrate.

For those unfamiliar with the text of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty, here’s a brief sketch of the most noxious provisions:

• Article 2 of the treaty defines the scope of the treaty’s prohibitions. The right to own, buy, sell, trade, or transfer all means of armed resistance, including handguns, is denied to civilians by this section of the Arms Trade Treaty.

• Article 3 places the “ammunition/munitions fired, launched or delivered by the conventional arms covered under Article 2” within the scope of the treaty’s prohibitions, as well.

• Article 4 rounds out the regulations, also placing all “parts and components” of weapons within the scheme.

• Perhaps the most immediate threat to the rights of gun owners in the Arms Trade Treaty is found in Article 5. Under the title of “General Implementation,” Article 5 mandates that all countries participating in the treaty “shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list.” This list should “apply the provisions of this Treaty to the broadest range of conventional arms.”

• Article 12 adds to the record-keeping requirement, mandating that the list include “the quantity, value, model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms,” as well as the identity of the “end users” of these items.

• Finally, the agreement demands that national governments take “appropriate measures” to enforce the terms of the treaty, including civilian disarmament. If these countries can’t get this done on their own, however, Article 16 provides for UN assistance, specifically including help with the enforcement of “stockpile management, disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes.” In fact, a “voluntary trust fund” will be established to assist those countries that need help from UN peacekeepers or other regional forces to disarm their citizens.

Arguably, the Arms Trade Treaty would become the law of the United States if the Senate were to ratify the treaty.

While that is the process that the Constitution establishes for the implementation of treaties, fundamental principles of construction and constitutional law dictate that no treaty that violates the Constitution can become the supreme law of the land. In the case of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty, there is no doubt that regardless of presidential signatures or congressional consent, this treaty cannot pass constitutional muster and therefore will never be the valid law of the land.

Unless, of course, Americans once again acquiesce to President Obama’s assumption of illegal authority and relinquish their rights and weapons regardless of the reasons they should not do so.

There is a higher authority, however, who never asked his followers to surrender their weapons and leave themselves defenseless in the war against tyranny.

While the president declares that greater federal restriction on the right to own, transfer, buy, and sell guns and ammunition is necessary in order to “heal our troubled minds,” Christians believe that there is only one place to turn for such relief: the Great Physician.

Christians, moreover, believe they not only have the right to keep and bear arms, but have the obligation to do so in the fight to protect freedom. The idea that God has commanded his children to own weapons and to be ready to wield them in defense of liberty might sound odd to many, but the scriptures provide ample evidence of this divine injunction.

In Luke 22:35-36, to cite one example, Jesus commanded his followers to purchase a sword in defiance of Roman law. Within the boundaries of the world under the control of the Roman emperor, to carry such a weapon was a crime punishable by death.

Why, then, would Jesus, the Prince of Peace, command his followers to break the law of the world’s most powerful empire – with legions of armed enforcers around every corner — if the benefit of keeping that commandment did not outweigh the potential harm?

Furthermore, if Jesus was the pacifist so many modern gun-rights deniers portray him as, why is there not a single syllable in the scriptures forbidding disciples from keeping and bearing arms?

If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, why would he instruct early Christians to arms themselves, but insist that modern disciples be left defenseless? And, what of Paul’s pronouncement that “if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tim. 5:8)?

If God preferred that his children refrain from buying, selling, owning, or transferring weapons, why is there not one verse in the entire canon of Christian scripture setting out such counsel?

Where has the Christian adherence to and understanding of this principle gone?

Perhaps it has slipped into oblivion, much like the related precept of being steadfastly dedicated to obeying the world of God in defiance of immoral government edicts.

Perhaps there are “evil men and seducers” who are “without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good.” (2 Timothy 3: 3, 13) who intend to enslave mankind and who understand that a disarmed populace is a slave populace.

Turning to the wisdom and warnings of the Holy Bible, Christians can find the “instruction in righteousness” that they believe lead them to “all good works.” (2 Timothy 3: 16-17)

All Americans, regardless of religion, must recognize that God gave us the freedoms we enjoy and with that gift comes the obligation of protecting ourselves and our loved ones. We must be armed, not for the purpose of private vengeance, but to remain ready to defend the liberty that is our inheritance.

The next meeting of the states that are parties to the Arms Trade Treaty — including the United States — is scheduled for November 27-28 in Berlin, Germany. There is time, then, to convince our elected leaders to refuse to sacrifice our freedom to keep and bear arms on the altar of one-world government.

Joe A. Wolverton, II, J.D. is a correspondent for The New American. Follow him on Twitter @TNAJoeWolverton.

Looks Harmless
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The New American
Saturday, 08 November 2014
Merry Christmas: UN Declares Arms Trade Treaty to Go Into Effect Dec. 24
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/item/19486-merry-christmas-united-nations-declares-arms-trade-treaty-to-go-into-effect-dec-24

On its official website, the United Nations Office for Disarmament Affairs (yes, that’s really a thing and yes, it is housed right here in the United States) announced that the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) “will enter into force on 24 December 2014.”

Merry Christmas!

It is ironical that on the day before the world’s 2.18 billion Christians commemorate the coming of Jesus Christ to the Earth, the United Nations will officially put into motion a plan to deny them of a right given to them by the very God whose birth they celebrate.

For those unfamiliar with the text of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty, here’s a brief sketch of the most noxious provisions:

• Article 2 of the treaty defines the scope of the treaty’s prohibitions. The right to own, buy, sell, trade, or transfer all means of armed resistance, including handguns, is denied to civilians by this section of the Arms Trade Treaty.

• Article 3 places the “ammunition/munitions fired, launched or delivered by the conventional arms covered under Article 2” within the scope of the treaty’s prohibitions, as well.

• Article 4 rounds out the regulations, also placing all “parts and components” of weapons within the scheme.

• Perhaps the most immediate threat to the rights of gun owners in the Arms Trade Treaty is found in Article 5. Under the title of “General Implementation,” Article 5 mandates that all countries participating in the treaty “shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list.” This list should “apply the provisions of this Treaty to the broadest range of conventional arms.”

• Article 12 adds to the record-keeping requirement, mandating that the list include “the quantity, value, model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms,” as well as the identity of the “end users” of these items.

• Finally, the agreement demands that national governments take “appropriate measures” to enforce the terms of the treaty, including civilian disarmament. If these countries can’t get this done on their own, however, Article 16 provides for UN assistance, specifically including help with the enforcement of “stockpile management, disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes.” In fact, a “voluntary trust fund” will be established to assist those countries that need help from UN peacekeepers or other regional forces to disarm their citizens.

Arguably, the Arms Trade Treaty would become the law of the United States if the Senate were to ratify the treaty.

While that is the process that the Constitution establishes for the implementation of treaties, fundamental principles of construction and constitutional law dictate that no treaty that violates the Constitution can become the supreme law of the land. In the case of the UN’s Arms Trade Treaty, there is no doubt that regardless of presidential signatures or congressional consent, this treaty cannot pass constitutional muster and therefore will never be the valid law of the land.

Unless, of course, Americans once again acquiesce to President Obama’s assumption of illegal authority and relinquish their rights and weapons regardless of the reasons they should not do so.

There is a higher authority, however, who never asked his followers to surrender their weapons and leave themselves defenseless in the war against tyranny.

While the president declares that greater federal restriction on the right to own, transfer, buy, and sell guns and ammunition is necessary in order to “heal our troubled minds,” Christians believe that there is only one place to turn for such relief: the Great Physician.

Christians, moreover, believe they not only have the right to keep and bear arms, but have the obligation to do so in the fight to protect freedom. The idea that God has commanded his children to own weapons and to be ready to wield them in defense of liberty might sound odd to many, but the scriptures provide ample evidence of this divine injunction.

In Luke 22:35-36, to cite one example, Jesus commanded his followers to purchase a sword in defiance of Roman law. Within the boundaries of the world under the control of the Roman emperor, to carry such a weapon was a crime punishable by death.

Why, then, would Jesus, the Prince of Peace, command his followers to break the law of the world’s most powerful empire – with legions of armed enforcers around every corner — if the benefit of keeping that commandment did not outweigh the potential harm?

Furthermore, if Jesus was the pacifist so many modern gun-rights deniers portray him as, why is there not a single syllable in the scriptures forbidding disciples from keeping and bearing arms?

If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, why would he instruct early Christians to arms themselves, but insist that modern disciples be left defenseless? And, what of Paul’s pronouncement that “if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever” (1 Tim. 5:8)?

If God preferred that his children refrain from buying, selling, owning, or transferring weapons, why is there not one verse in the entire canon of Christian scripture setting out such counsel?

Where has the Christian adherence to and understanding of this principle gone?

Perhaps it has slipped into oblivion, much like the related precept of being steadfastly dedicated to obeying the world of God in defiance of immoral government edicts.

Perhaps there are “evil men and seducers” who are “without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good.” (2 Timothy 3: 3, 13) who intend to enslave mankind and who understand that a disarmed populace is a slave populace.

Turning to the wisdom and warnings of the Holy Bible, Christians can find the “instruction in righteousness” that they believe lead them to “all good works.” (2 Timothy 3: 16-17)

All Americans, regardless of religion, must recognize that God gave us the freedoms we enjoy and with that gift comes the obligation of protecting ourselves and our loved ones. We must be armed, not for the purpose of private vengeance, but to remain ready to defend the liberty that is our inheritance.

The next meeting of the states that are parties to the Arms Trade Treaty — including the United States — is scheduled for November 27-28 in Berlin, Germany. There is time, then, to convince our elected leaders to refuse to sacrifice our freedom to keep and bear arms on the altar of one-world government.

Joe A. Wolverton, II, J.D. is a correspondent for The New American. Follow him on Twitter @TNAJoeWolverton.

Looks Harmless

Maybe they'll wear their cute little powder-blue beanies or their similarly painted chamber pots... Great target identification props, eh? Wouldn't want to miss out... Maybe there will be enough for everyone, but if not, please be good- remember to share... Remember, those such dispatched in the near future, won't have to suffer at Armageddon... They'll be waiting in Hell, for the Judgement...

Remember too, "one shot, one kill" makes for a better day...

Maranatha

OldArcher
 

Dosadi

Brown Coat
Not going to happen without genocide.

Lot more free people than tyrants.

Go ahead, wake up the giant.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
It will be a bad time for those that try.....

When the housecleaning starts, it isn't gonna stop till the job is well and truly done.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Kerry signed it on behalf of the USA. Obama would be making THE mistake of his useless life if he tried to use Executive paper shuffling to enact this. Not even sure it would take effect if he did.

The United States Senate did not ratify it so it is dead meat. No treaty becomes law without the advise and consent (ratifying vote) of the Senate.
 
It will be a bad time for those that try.....

When the housecleaning starts, it isn't gonna stop till the job is well and truly done.

Those doing the confiscating will be unenthusiastic about it while we will be supremely confident in the righteousness of our cause. And once activated, and with nothing to lose, we will continue the "mission" as you say.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
III% here. this is the line in the sand...this far and no farther. period. i don't care who wants to disarm 'civilians' (good thing we're CITIZENS, not civilians, huh), the US gvmt, the UN, whoever, they'll have to kill us to do so.

Article 16 provides for UN assistance, specifically including help with the enforcement of “stockpile management, disarmament, demobilization and reintegration programmes.”

oooh goodie! blue helmets make such NICE targets!

seriously, if the UN wants to live to see the next decade they better think twice before INVADING this SOVERIGN nation!
 

roman

Contributing Member
What Guns ?? you folks have Guns . I used to have a old rabbit gun and a bow. I loaned both to a buddy and he left town...
 

NoName

Veteran Member
"Pale Blue, here's some lead for you".

Has anyone researched which countries (if any) have actually signed on for this??

There's a better chart at the link, but the first list are signatories

http://disarmament.un.org/treaties/t/att/deposit/asc

State
Date of Signature
Deposit
Iceland 3 June 2013
2 July 2013 *
Ratification
Guyana 3 June 2013
4 July 2013
Ratification
Antigua and Barbuda 3 June 2013
12 August 2013 *
Ratification
Nigeria 12 August 2013
12 August 2013
Ratification
Costa Rica 3 June 2013
25 September 2013 *
Ratification
Mexico 3 June 2013
25 September 2013 *
Ratification
Trinidad and Tobago 3 June 2013
25 September 2013 *
Ratification
Grenada 3 June 2013
22 October 2013
Ratification
Mali 3 June 2013
3 December 2013
Ratification
Panama 3 June 2013
11 February 2014
Ratification
Norway 3 June 2013
12 February 2014 *
Ratification
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 25 September 2013
6 March 2014
Ratification
Albania 3 June 2013
19 March 2014
Ratification
Bulgaria 2 July 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Croatia 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Denmark 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Approval
El Salvador 5 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Estonia 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Approval
Finland 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Ratification
France 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Germany 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Ratification
Hungary 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Ratification
Ireland 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Italy 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Latvia 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Ratification
Malta 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Romania 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Slovakia 10 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Ratification
Slovenia 3 June 2013
2 April 2014
Ratification
Spain 3 June 2013 *
2 April 2014
Ratification
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 3 June 2013
2 April 2014 *
Ratification
Japan 3 June 2013
9 May 2014
Acceptance
Australia 3 June 2013
3 June 2014
Ratification
Austria 3 June 2013
3 June 2014 *
Ratification
Belgium 3 June 2013 *
3 June 2014
Ratification
Burkina Faso 3 June 2013
3 June 2014
Ratification
Jamaica 3 June 2013
3 June 2014
Ratification
Luxembourg 3 June 2013
3 June 2014
Ratification
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 3 June 2013
3 June 2014 *
Ratification
Samoa 25 September 2013
3 June 2014
Ratification
Sweden 3 June 2013
16 June 2014 *
Ratification
Dominican Republic 3 June 2013
7 August 2014
Ratification
Sierra Leone 25 September 2013
12 August 2014
Ratification
Montenegro 3 June 2013
18 August 2014
Ratification
New Zealand 3 June 2013
2 September 2014 *
Ratification
Argentina 3 June 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Bahamas 3 June 2013
25 September 2014 *
Ratification
Bosnia and Herzegovina 25 September 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Czech Republic 3 June 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Portugal 3 June 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Saint Lucia 3 June 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Senegal 3 June 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Uruguay 3 June 2013
25 September 2014
Ratification
Guinea 29 July 2013
21 October 2014
Ratification

Signed but Not Ratified
Angola 24 September 2013
Bahrain 21 November 2013
Bangladesh 26 September 2013
Barbados 25 September 2013
Belize 3 June 2013
Benin 3 June 2013
Brazil 3 June 2013
Burundi 3 June 2013
Cambodia 18 October 2013
Cape Verde 25 September 2013
Chad 25 September 2013
Chile 3 June 2013
Colombia 24 September 2013
Comoros 26 September 2013
Congo 25 September 2013
Côte d'Ivoire 3 June 2013
Cyprus 3 June 2013
Djibouti 3 June 2013
Dominica 1 October 2013
Gabon 25 September 2013
Georgia 25 September 2014
Ghana 24 September 2013
Greece 3 June 2013
Guatemala 24 June 2013
Guinea-Bissau 26 September 2013
Haiti 21 March 2014
Honduras 25 September 2013
Kiribati 25 September 2013
Lebanon 27 October 2014
Lesotho 25 September 2013
Liberia 4 June 2013
Libya 9 July 2013
Liechtenstein 3 June 2013
Lithuania 3 June 2013
Madagascar 25 September 2013
Malawi 9 January 2014
Malaysia 26 September 2013
Mauritania 3 June 2013
Mongolia 24 September 2013
Mozambique 3 June 2013
Namibia 25 September 2014
Nauru 25 September 2013
Netherlands 3 June 2013
Niger 24 March 2014
Palau 3 June 2013
Paraguay 19 June 2013
Peru 24 September 2013
Philippines 25 September 2013
Poland 1 July 2013
Republic of Korea 3 June 2013
Republic of Moldova 10 September 2013
Rwanda 5 June 2013
Saint Kitts and Nevis 5 June 2013
Serbia 12 August 2013 *
Seychelles 3 June 2013
South Africa 25 September 2013
Suriname 3 June 2013
Swaziland 4 September 2013
Switzerland 3 June 2013
Togo 3 June 2013
Turkey 2 July 2013
Tuvalu 3 June 2013
Ukraine 23 September 2014
United Arab Emirates 9 July 2013
United Republic of Tanzania 3 June 2013
United States of America 25 September 2013
Vanuatu 26 July 2013
Zambia 25 September 2013


I am, in light of this impending legislation, comforted in the total loss of my firearms in the recent fishing accident with my Father in Law..more's the pity, he too lost everything.
 

Watchman2

Veteran Member
Yup, have them and refuse to bury them................at least those that I will be using them at a moments notice.........


Waiting,.......waiting........................

W2


What Guns ?? you folks have Guns . I used to have a old rabbit gun and a bow. I loaned both to a buddy and he left town...
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Kerry signed it on behalf of the USA. Obama would be making THE mistake of his useless life if he tried to use Executive paper shuffling to enact this. Not even sure it would take effect if he did.

The United States Senate did not ratify it so it is dead meat. No treaty becomes law without the advise and consent (ratifying vote) of the Senate.




They were all reminded they could not vote to pass and thing of the such if it violated any constitutional provisions.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
Damn, Grenada and Ireland ratified it. Grenada should know better after 1983 and my forefathers are rolling over in their graves in Ireland....
 

LibertyInNH

Senior Member
Kerry signed it on behalf of the USA. Obama would be making THE mistake of his useless life if he tried to use Executive paper shuffling to enact this. Not even sure it would take effect if he did.

The United States Senate did not ratify it so it is dead meat. No treaty becomes law without the advise and consent (ratifying vote) of the Senate.

And no treaty or law can override the constitution.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Good grief. Looking at the list in the post above, the better question would be, which nations have NOT ratified that stupid treaty!! It's hard to believe that the bulk of the population of the whole world have willingly given up their ability to defend themselves! (Especially in light of the last hundred years or so.)

Kathleen
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I'll make sure to keep my calendar open for any sporting events. The animated contest is always open to contestants.
 

Voortrekker

Veteran Member
Russian Federation, Peoples' Republic of China, Serbia and the tiny Island Republic of Togo Togo have not signed it. What do they know that we don't. If the "destroyer" of the Book of Revelations are the moslems, we had better seal our border now. The gnashing of teeth will have multi-millions storming our shores.
 

Warthog

Black Out
Can't be any clearer than this folk! Please read all!:ld: Lose your arms. Become a slave! I put these Directives up against their Articles! Any free minded people would!!!
warty

Directive #180 – UNITED NATIONS & WORLD GOVERNMENT

"I challenge the illusion that the United Nations is an instrument of peace . . . It could not be less of a cruel hoax if it had been organized in hell for the sole purpose of aiding and abetting the destruction of the United States." - J.B. Matthews, former chief investigator for the House Committee on Un-American Activities

UNITED NATIONS
"Your country must send from its shores the coalition the United Nations." - Our Lady of the Roses, September 13, 1975

"THIS GROUP OF SATAN"
"It is in the direction of the Eternal Father that you remove from your country the forces of satan now running rampant in the grouping you call the United Nations.
"You must as a nation take yourself away from this group of satan. You have opened your doors to the enemies of God! These enemies do not defend you, but they wait to pounce upon you like vultures! They are bringing you down to your knees now, My children. Like vultures, they will await their time." - Our Lady of the Roses, September 13, 1974

U.N. A BROOD OF VIPERS
"America, you will remove yourself, as a country, from that brood of vipers in your city that has set itself up to govern the world's peoples and lead them to destruction." - Our Lady of the Roses, December 7, 1971

SEAT OF EVIL
"You have allowed the evil to grow strong in your country. You will remove from your country this seat of evil that grows strong in your city. The mark of the beast has labeled your city Babylon! Open your heart and eyes now to the truth, before it is too late. You are being blindly led to your own destruction. The brood of vipers within your city must be removed at once!" - Our Lady of the Roses, February 1, 1972

THE GODLESS United Nations...
Veronica - I see the floor in the chamber of the League of Nations, but I do not see faces behind the desks. I see serpents, their tongues lashing out in every direction.
Our Lady - "Where is the godhead in this group? What is their true purpose, as they play with the lives of millions? Liars, sent by the father of all liars! Trust not in the ways of man, but place your full trust in your God." - Our Lady of the Roses, December 31, 1970

DISMAY AND SADNESS
"My children, I am certain that you all are familiar with the corruption and the evil that has entered upon your government and all of the governments throughout your world. I have watched with dismay and sadness of heart as your governments gather together in a united nation. I feel that they have surrendered themselves now to the enemies of your God, for the major powers are gaining forces, forces of evil to destroy their fellow men." - Jesus, March 18, 1977

CLERGY FALLING INTO THE PLAN
“The Faith is being attacked in My House upon earth, My Church, and many of My clergy are falling into the plan with the octopus, the great world powers that seek to gather all nations into a rule of a one-world government and a one-world religion based on humanism and modernism.” - Jesus, July 25, 1978

SATAN DELUDES THEM
"Know that when they have given over My Church to the world, and as satan deludes them to unite all into a one-world religion and a one-world government, you are enslaved and it is the end!" - Jesus, April 2, 1977

INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRACY
"The octopus of evil, the international conspiracy of evil, has at its head a Grand Master. I cannot at this time, My children, reveal in entirety the order of succession of those who seek to enslave your world." - Our Lady of the Roses, May 26, 1976

GIANT POLITICAL MACHINE
"Your country and many countries throughout your world have already fallen. They have now been entered upon by the giant political machine that seeks to enslave the world--the octopus of evil. For the love of money, prestige, and power, many shall sell their souls to get to the head. O My children, when My Son returns, will He find even a small flicker of faith left in your hearts?" - Our Lady of the Roses, May 29, 1976

TO DESTROY CHRISTIANITY
"My Mother explained to you the plan for the takeover of the Seat of Peter by a select group. In 1975 a message of truth was given to mankind of the great length the evil ones will go to capture the Seat of Peter. There is working throughout your world a group We have called the octopus, a web of evil consisting of principalities, powers, all seeking to destroy Christianity and to bring your country and all of the nations of the world under the rule of one-world religionists. It will be a political machine to enslave the world." - Jesus, June 18, 1978

:siren:INTO SLAVERY
"O My children, recognize, I repeat, the signs of your times. You are fast selling yourselves into slavery. Your government and the governments of the world are now almost in full control of the agents of hell." - Our Lady of the Roses, July 25, 1977

UNIFICATION OF MAN
"In your world now of modernism and humanism, socialism, communism, secularism--all of this, My children, is leading to the unification of man into a one-world religion, a one-world church, and a one-world government to the enslavement of mankind, creating a form of mass atheism in the world." - Our Lady of the Roses, July 25, 1977

GATHERS ALL THE WORLD
"You must understand, My child, that man is now trying to build another new religion, a new church, and it will not be of My Son. It will be a new religion that gathers all the world under one fold of a dictator. And know, My children, that when one man, or a select group of men, gain so much power over individuals and an individual, know that no evil can be controlled then, and the eventual end is destruction, death, suffering." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 20, 1976

SEEK TO DETHRONE GOD
"You ask, My child, how a state such as this could come upon human nature? My child, it is because of this very basic human nature and frailties that man, in exercising his own free will, has brought the world of mankind to the brink of destruction; because man has rejected the teachings, the teachings of old, the teachings that never shall grow old, for they are the basic foundations from your God, the Eternal Father, your Creator. And now you reject your Creator, and in your arrogance and pride, you seek, as did Lucifer, to dethrone your Creator, and set up a world government of man.
"O My children, you are heading toward the fatal abyss. O My children, now the world is proceeding in the same path as Lucifer started, and was cast forever from the Kingdom of God. Lucifer, in his arrogance, was given much knowledge, but he used this knowledge against his God! He, too, had a free will." - Jesus, September 28, 1977

MAJOR PLAN OF SATAN
"I cannot at this time give you the full import of the existence of this web of evil throughout the world. It is the major plan of satan to bring about a complete one-world government and a one-world religion. And it will not be of My Son. It will be a church of man based on humanism, modernism, and satanism." - Our Lady of the Roses, October 1, 1977

"WILL CAST ASIDE MY SON"
"Your world, mankind, is now developing into a one-world government and a one-world religion that will cast aside My Son. Woe, I say unto you, as I cried before, that unless you pray, unless you act now, 666 shall entrench himself in Rome, the Eternal City of Rome, and then it shall become the seat of the antichrist forces. My children, remove the blindness from your hearts and your eyes. Can you not recognize what is happening?" - Our Lady of the Roses, December 7, 1977

NEW WORLD RULE
"My children, do not be deceived by the voices that cry 'Love, love!' when they know not the meaning of love. Love is God the Father! The love being created by mankind leading to a new religion and a new world rule is a love based on humanism and modernism! The Church I established upon earth is eternal, though it suffers now in a crisis." - Jesus, August 5, 1977

COMMON DICTATORSHIP
"There is a massive web of evil now fanning out from a nucleus of power. There is a plan now to engulf your world into a united center of power with a central head of man-man uniting all nations into a common dictatorship, man seeking to discard My House and set up one to his own liking and nature. I allow you to proceed but for a short time." - Jesus, December 24, 1976

FULL CAPITULATION
"My Son, His heart is torn asunder by His representatives in the priesthood who now are Judases in His own House. They consort with the enemies of your God. In the manner of humanism and modernism, and an ecumenism that has been designed from hell, man now is plunging fast into making ready the full capitulation of My Son's Church and the world under a dictatorship of evil." - Our Lady of the Roses, November 22, 1976

MANKIND UNDER SERVITUDE
"It is all, My children, part of the diabolical plan to reduce man to a state of servitude to evil. There are Masters in the world, Grand Masters in the world, who now seek to govern the lives of every man, woman, and child. They are gathering together to bring mankind under servitude.
"My children, you are aware of one arm of the octopus that you know as communism. I assure you, My children, that is but one small arm of the octopus that is reaching out in all directions upon earth to engulf man and enslave him. These arms reach out to promote a one-world government and a one-world religion, a religion that shall not have My Son as its head." - Our Lady of the Roses, December 28, 1976

SUPREME DICTATOR
"The state of your world has been reduced by the immorality. The state of your world is capitulating now to all of the forces of the octopus that will seek to bring about a one-world religion and a one-world government under a supreme dictator of evil." - Our Lady of the Roses, March 18, 1978

UTOPIA
"Those in power seek to form for man a utopia, a perfect world; man in power even seeking to create life on his own. He has rejected his God, O man of science." - Our Lady of the Roses, May 13, 1978

WEB OF EVIL
"There is an octopus, a web of evil now fanning out throughout your world. Political powers, money powers--these have all gathered to bring about the destruction of Christianity. My children, the Luciferians are loose now in great numbers upon your earth. They will work through persons, places, and things. Remember this, My children: persons, places, and things.
"I counseled you in the past, and I wish you all to remember that many will sell their souls to get to the head! It has not been said without direction that money is often the root of all evil. Many in Rome are selling their souls to get to the head. They lust for power, and this power is not for the betterment of mankind but the individual. Arrogance! Arrogance and lust for money, My children." - Our Lady of the Roses, June 18, 1978

MANY NOW IN ROME
"There are many now in Rome, My children, who seek to set up a one-world religion. It is based on humanism and modernism. It is not the religion of tradition given by My Son Jesus to mankind. Man is building a church of man. It is not one of the cross." - Our Lady of the Roses, December 27, 1975

ONE-WORLDERS
"Many priests, bishops, cardinals in My Son's House need prayers from the laity that they may be strong enough not to fall into the plan of the third worlders, who are also known, My child, as the one worlders. They seek to destroy My Son's Church and build one on the creation of man. My Son has cried many times great tears of sorrow and has said: 'Will there be any faith left when I return? Will I find even a small flickering of faith left in their hearts when I return?' It truly rains teardrops from Heaven!" - Our Lady of the Roses, October 6, 1976

ANTICHRIST OF ONE WORLD
"The leaders of your country and the rulers of your world are faster and faster plunging forward, bringing in the reign of the evil one whom you will know as the Antichrist of one world. The plan for his rule has been set for many years." - Our Lady of the Roses, August 14, 1974

TO COMMAND ALL GOVERNMENTS
"As I warned you in the past, I repeat anew, to counsel you that Lucifer and his agents from hell--Lucifer walks the earth now seeking to take command of all governments of the world, to destroy the world." - Our Lady, September 14, 1979

THE DESPOT
"You will continue to pray a vigil of prayer for the clergy of the world. Darkness has descended upon My Son's churches upon earth. Whatever shall become of you all in the chaos that is fast coming to your country and other nations of the world! There will soon enter upon your world a despot. Number two, I call him. But many have named him, and the Book of life refers to him as the Antichrist.
"Yes, My children, you will recognize him by his deeds. Many will sell their souls to him to get to the head, but all that is rotten will fall eventually. No matter what the struggles to keep the light in your country and the world, you will go forward as soldiers of light, carrying your banner Faithful and True, in the face of adversity." - Our Lady of the Roses, October 6, 1992

http://www.tldm.org/directives/d180.htm
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Good grief. Looking at the list in the post above, the better question would be, which nations have NOT ratified that stupid treaty!! It's hard to believe that the bulk of the population of the whole world have willingly given up their ability to defend themselves! (Especially in light of the last hundred years or so.)

Kathleen

The bulk of the people have not given up their right to self-defense, the bulk of the people's so-called leaders have given up the peoples right to self-defense.
 

Christian for Israel

Knight of Jerusalem
funny, i didn't see canada on either list...did i miss them?

What Guns ?? you folks have Guns . I used to have a old rabbit gun and a bow. I loaned both to a buddy and he left town...

i'm sorry but...bulls#it. i refuse to run...i refuse to hide...i refuse to lie and claim i have no guns and hope they don't tear my home apart looking for them. i have carried a sidearm, even at home, for years. when they come i WILL use it, as well as my Garand which sits just feet from me, without hesitation.

and if i see them attacking my neighbor first i'll attack them from the rear. they'll probably kill me but they'll DAMNED sure know what it means to try to take guns from the american people. this far and no farther. period.
 
funny, i didn't see canada on either list...did i miss them?



i'm sorry but...bulls#it. i refuse to run...i refuse to hide...i refuse to lie and claim i have no guns and hope they don't tear my home apart looking for them. i have carried a sidearm, even at home, for years. when they come i WILL use it, as well as my Garand which sits just feet from me, without hesitation.

and if i see them attacking my neighbor first i'll attack them from the rear. they'll probably kill me but they'll DAMNED sure know what it means to try to take guns from the american people. this far and no farther. period.

Ditto!

If the forces of confiscation start taking casualties (and deaths) with every raid, the local LEOs will decide to let the Feds handle the mess. And there is no way the Feds can do it unless they go full-bore Police State. And then we usher in the next Civil War.
 

Oscar Wilde

Membership Revoked
The bulk of the people have not given up their right to self-defense, the bulk of the people's so-called leaders have given up the peoples right to self-defense.

The "bulk" have never embraced their "right" to self defense, nor any of the other God given rights we "enjoy". If we had, we wouldn't be in this condition .... but I understand your sentiment.

I don't know what it would take but if we're ever prodded up off our collective arses to act on our passions in this regard .... there's gonna be ... trouble.

O.W.
 

JWP

Contributing Member
No! That's the type of folks they're going to use against the American people. Why do you think the border is wide open? Why do you think fast and furious was tested?

http://www.tldm.org/directives/d104.htm

If the cartels and UN are killing each other in Mexico, it's better than them killing Americans here.

To be clear, I am 100% totally and completely against the UN in general and specifically this arms treaty. The "Oh, good" part was sarcastic, my apologies for not tagging it.
 

Phil412

Contributing Member
Seriously thinking about this...

I am truly not saying this to be a downer. I hear many of us saying "bring it on", "Try and take them", "you'll never get my guns", etc.
But I sometimes wonder if there was a massive army and tanks sighting down at us and our loved ones (friends and family) what in fact would we REALLY do? How many of us would really fight to the death for our rights and beliefs knowing it would cost the lives of our friends and family?
Yes when I hear of these threats it scares me. I hope I would be strong and fight for my rights, this country, our strong beliefs. But I can also honestly say if the life of my friends and family was going to be taken if I didn't give up my guns. Would I have any other choice than to give them up?
Don't be fooled, they won't "play" fare. When have they ever?
Or would we take less or no rights so we could have our family at least for a bit longer.
Many here have put themselves in harms way to serve our country and would gladly do it again (my husband & son to name a few) but what about a lot of us "average joes"? When the rubber meets the road and we have to walk the talk, who will really follow through? I don't know, I really don't know. Just thinking.. :(
 
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