TIP Um. Gotta say something. Getting some PROFOUND sudden reversing of “VERY BAD crepey skin!

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Folks, I gotta say something, because I am suddenly starting to see some PROFOUND, NOTICIBLE reversing of “old lady, wrinkled, crepe paper like skin”! (on my arms, where it was the worst)

The only thing I can attribute it to that is different in my life is that about 3 weeks ago I decided to start taking half a 500mg chewable Vitamin C tablet twice a day, WITHOUT FAIL (I put it in my daily medicine box so I wouldn’t forget.)

FWIW, do what you will with that.

Maybe now I’ll start taking the whole 500mg tablet twice a day instead of breaking them in half.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Vitamin C helps connective tissue and collagen and you can't synthesize it so it has to be consumed in the diet or supplemented with.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
You don't necessarily need to eat fruit to get your vitamin C. Broccoli, tomato, kale, bell peppers and snow peas are high in vitamin C and won't spike your blood sugars.
 

Breeta

Veteran Member
thanks for this info. i will try it!
My DH is 61 and has the best, youngest looking skin. He rubs cantelope all over his exposed skin (particularly face, neck, arms) and lets it sit for 10-15 mins before showering. People think he is in his 40’s.

he just told me specifically you eat some of the cantelope and then rub the inside of the crescent shaped rinds on your skin.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So, a vitamin C deficiency will cause crepey skin? I don't tolerate vit C very well taken as a supplement, but do eat foods containing vit C in small amounts. I'm asking, because I have begun to shows signs of this myself, and thought it was just dryness, caused by Sjogren's Syndrome. Is there anything else I can do for this, besides vit C?
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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Collagen helps crepey skin. Vit c, Lysine and proline will help create collagen in the body. If you cannot tolerate C, order some collagen off of Amazon.
 

rafter

Since 1999
I take a lot of vit c and eat a lot of veggies and still have creepy skin. Or Crepey skin..either way..not helping. :cry:
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
Awesome! I’ll have to check that out. Also, after reading an awesome book called “Bio-Young” by Roxy Dillon, I started using fennel, dill, and carrot seed essential oil in a carrier (apricot kernel oil) on my face and neck. The smell isn’t pleasant (my husband always jokes about me smelling like a pickle) but wow... has it done wonders for my skin!! In addition to that, I had a dark, scaly raised patch on the side of my forehead that was beginning to itch and hurt and grow bigger. I’d had it for about a year, and was really starting to get concerned it might be skin cancer. Just for kicks, I applied that oil combo to that spot as well. Not joking, it completely disappeared within a few weeks. I am amazed. I wish I would have taken pics.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I have a kilogram of pharma-grade vitamin C powder. I often add it to fruit juice (grape or orange). I got the stuff originally to see if I could make my own sour candy. Turns out I can (lol).
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
So, a vitamin C deficiency will cause crepey skin? I don't tolerate vit C very well taken as a supplement, but do eat foods containing vit C in small amounts. I'm asking, because I have begun to shows signs of this myself, and thought it was just dryness, caused by Sjogren's Syndrome. Is there anything else I can do for this, besides vit C?

I have Sjogren's Syndrome. It can't be cured, but it can be kept under control by strictly limiting the amount of sugar and starchy foods you eat. I can tell the difference quickly -- my eyes and mouth get really dry the night after I've eaten too much sugar or starch. Only have to avoid them for a day to see improvement.

Kathleen
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
So, a vitamin C deficiency will cause crepey skin? I don't tolerate vit C very well taken as a supplement, but do eat foods containing vit C in small amounts. I'm asking, because I have begun to shows signs of this myself, and thought it was just dryness, caused by Sjogren's Syndrome. Is there anything else I can do for this, besides vit C?

Look into copper.

First sign of low copper (and zinc) is graying hair. Sagging skin is also tied to this. Here is a 3 part video, I'm only posting the first of 3 if you are interested you can find the other 2, this one is 15 minutes-I've not listened to this particular one but am sure the skin issue is addressed. Copper is also tied to thyroid/adrenal issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNdc_ny8iVY

Thank you Ainitfunny for posting your observation, I think stress depletes a lot of things, I noticed my arms suddenly getting that crepey look almost overnight-lots of stress with the sisters from hell after my mom's death last month. Is the chewable vitamin c you are taking real vitamin c or is it ascorbic acid?
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You don't necessarily need to eat fruit to get your vitamin C. Broccoli, tomato, kale, bell peppers and snow peas are high in vitamin C and won't spike your blood sugars.

And you can eat raw whole cranberries w/o spiking your blood sugar as well, it's sour but still edible.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I love raw cranberries WELL CHILLED and in small quantities at a time. But then, I suck lemons (heh).
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Collagen helps crepey skin. Vit c, Lysine and proline will help create collagen in the body. If you cannot tolerate C, order some collagen off of Amazon.

This is interesting, thank you for this bit of information. Ever since I found out I'm allergic to all forms of citrus this past fall and am citric acid intolerant, I've been at a loss as to how to get other essentials into my diet. I also learned I have a magnesium deficiency so have been taking a liquid magnesium supplement for that issue... btw it's nastier than all get out, it's what I imagine sweaty feet to taste like, blech. I take about 5000 mg of D3 a day and a liquid Vitamin B complex with B12. Apparently, I have an absorption problem so most of my supplements are in a liquid form.
 
Folks, I gotta say something, because I am suddenly starting to see some PROFOUND, NOTICIBLE reversing of “old lady, wrinkled, crepe paper like skin”! (on my arms, where it was the worst)

The only thing I can attribute it to that is different in my life is that about 3 weeks ago I decided to start taking half a 500mg chewable Vitamin C tablet twice a day, WITHOUT FAIL (I put it in my daily medicine box so I wouldn’t forget.)

FWIW, do what you will with that.

Maybe now I’ll start taking the whole 500mg tablet twice a day instead of breaking them in half.

Correct - add CoQ10 to that list, and, 5K unit Vitamin D3 in coconut oil capsules - the CoQ10, in particular, noticeably helped a very senior female family member's skin (she was already taking 1G Vit C daily) to regain some of its lost qualities - her feet, ankles and calfs look like they belong to someone half her age - tight and supple - CoQ10 was recommended by her elderly cardiologist as a vital daily supplement for anyone wishing to keep their heart healthy - apparently, he promotes the intake of CoQ10 among all of his heart patients - elderly, or not.

Google CoQ10 for info on what it is all about, with regards to the human body. Interesting.


intothegoodnight
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
This is interesting, thank you for this bit of information. Ever since I found out I'm allergic to all forms of citrus this past fall and am citric acid intolerant, I've been at a loss as to how to get other essentials into my diet. I also learned I have a magnesium deficiency so have been taking a liquid magnesium supplement for that issue... btw it's nastier than all get out, it's what I imagine sweaty feet to taste like, blech. I take about 5000 mg of D3 a day and a liquid Vitamin B complex with B12. Apparently, I have an absorption problem so most of my supplements are in a liquid form.

More importantly than liquid form is the actual form of the supplements. For instance:

B12 should preferably be methylcobalamin or adenosylcobalamin not the cyanocobalamin form. Hydoxy form is okay.

B9 should NEVER be folic acid - It should be the methyl forms - L-methylfolate (methyltetrahydrofolate) or calcium folinate.

Magnesium should be Glycinate or perhaps Citrate although the Citrate can give some people loose bowels. No oxide, carbonate, cloride!
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
Look into copper.

First sign of low copper (and zinc) is graying hair. Sagging skin is also tied to this. Here is a 3 part video, I'm only posting the first of 3 if you are interested you can find the other 2, this one is 15 minutes-I've not listened to this particular one but am sure the skin issue is addressed. Copper is also tied to thyroid/adrenal issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNdc_ny8iVY

Thank you Ainitfunny for posting your observation, I think stress depletes a lot of things, I noticed my arms suddenly getting that crepey look almost overnight-lots of stress with the sisters from hell after my mom's death last month. Is the chewable vitamin c you are taking real vitamin c or is it ascorbic acid?

We need some copper and I think excessive vitamin C depletes copper. Care is needed though because to much copper becomes toxic.
 
More importantly than liquid form is the actual form of the supplements. For instance:

B12 should preferably be methylcobalamin or adenosylcobalamin not the cyanocobalamin form. Hydoxy form is okay.

B9 should NEVER be folic acid - It should be the methyl forms - L-methylfolate (methyltetrahydrofolate) or calcium folinate.

Magnesium should be Glycinate or perhaps Citrate although the Citrate can give some people loose bowels. No oxide, carbonate, cloride!

What forms of selenium, chromium, zinc, potassium, B6 are recommended?

I take B12 in the form of methylcobalamin, designed to be taken sublingually (under the tongue) for better absorption - simple cherry flavor.


intothegoodnight
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
My blood sugar got bad enough that every time I ate I felt like sleeping. It was ranging from 250 to 350 without going lower. I knew I needed to do something. I tried the Keto diet rather aggressively. My blood sugar levels now (three months later) range from 70 to 130. I still take 2 grams of Metformin a day. That will probably change soon. A1c has gone from 13.5 to 6.1. It works.
 

Homestyle

Veteran Member
I had great results with my skin using Gold Bond Ultimate Overnight Deep Moisturizing cream after showering. I can tell a difference. It has hyaluronic acid in it. The stuff that the expensive face creams have in them. This cream worked wonders for me. A friend had dry horrible itchy skin on her legs and the Gold Bond Eczema relief cream stopped it. She uses the Overnight cream after showering now and no more itchy skin.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
I love raw cranberries WELL CHILLED and in small quantities at a time. But then, I suck lemons (heh).

I've found that most of the people who like to eat/suck raw lemons are blond-never figured out a reason for it. I honestly have no idea. Are you blond?
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
We need some copper and I think excessive vitamin C depletes copper. Care is needed though because to much copper becomes toxic.

You do not take zinc with copper, it blocks the copper. Take copper in the morning or at night, zinc (or foods containing zinc) several hours after taking copper.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
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1. Vitamin C serum can and will act as a pro-oxidant, causing skin damage

A pro-oxidant is the opposite of an antioxidant. Where an anti-oxidant is a molecule that prevents oxidation of other molecules, and hence protects against the cell-damaging effects of free radical production, a pro-oxidant does the reverse, and induces oxidative stress, either by generating reactive oxygen species or by inhibiting antioxidant systems.

Vitamin C on its own is an anti-oxidant. So when you eat foods high in vitamin C, you get the health benefit of the vitamin donating electrons, and thus preventing oxidation of tissue, lipids, protein, and DNA.

Vitamin C's ability to readily donate electrons, and thus acting as an anti-oxidant also means that it readily reacts with other molecules, which has consequences that aren't always good. In the presence of catalytic metals, vitamin C reacts with those metals causing a pro-oxidant effects, specifically, vitamin C reacts with oxygen, producing superoxide that subsequently dismutes to produce harmful by-products such as hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). Furthermore, it requires little vitamin C to have it act as a pro-oxidant, and a lot of vitamin C to act as an anti-oxidant.
The Fenton Reaction causes vitamin C to act as a pro-oxidant

The Fenton Reaction causes vitamin C to act as a pro-oxidant

When vitamin C acts as a pro-oxidant, the consequences include irritation, inflammation, collagen and elastin breakdown, and acne. So if you have any of these skin ailments, and are using a vitamin C serum, then its time to re-think your regimen.

Vitamin C's propensity to become a pro-oxidant when in contact with metal is concerning from a skin-care standpoint because the metals vitamin C react with are metals our skin encounters often. When vitamin C encounters iron a biological reaction, known as the Fenton reaction, is initiated. The Fenton reaction is the pivotal reaction in the oxidation of membrane lipids and amino acids, and in the reactions where biological reduction agents are present, such as vitamin C. Our skin comes into contact with iron every day. According to the FDA, iron is a significant pollutant in the air and in the water, and from recent research from the University of Birmingham: "Human activities may have led to an increase of atmospherically soluble iron in the oceans by several times since the Industrial Revolution."

When we topically apply vitamin C to our skin, and our skin comes in contact with the air, which contains iron due to pollution, we are inviting a pro-oxidant reaction to occur. It is also safe to assume that since water contains iron contaminants, in general, that much of the water used in your skin care contains iron too. There is no way around iron pollution coming in contact with your skin. Your best safeguard to minimize harm is to avoid molecules that interact with iron to form damaging pro-oxidants.
2. Vitamin C reacts with common compounds found in cosmetics.

Piggybacking on point #1, we can say that many compounds found in cosmetics are further eliciting vitamin C to become a pro-oxidant. Let’s, for the sake of brevity, just take 3 common ingredients found in cosmetics:

1. EDTA

EDTA is a common preservative used in food, household cleaners, laboratory specimens, and in cosmetics. EDTA contains 9.7-19.4 uM of iron per 50mM sample, which is enough to elicit the Fenton reaction described above.
EDTA prevents blood from coagulating, and is used to preserve to laboratory specimens.

EDTA prevents blood from coagulating, and is used to preserve to laboratory specimens.

2. Copper

Copper is another ingredient that has generated a lot of buzz as of late because of research that has found some anti-aging effects when topically applied. The concern with combining copper and vitamin C is greater (by some research) than combining iron with vitamin C. From Buettner and Jurkiewicz:

“But because copper is -80 times more efficient as a catalyst for ascorbate oxidation than iron, in typical phosphate buffers it is the adventitious copper that is the biggest culprit in catalyzing ascorbate oxidation.”

So although copper is not something you are likely to encounter every day in terms of environmental contaminants, the likelihood of it being in your cosmetics (including skin care) is becoming greater due to it’s increasing popularity as an anti-aging ingredient. And this is cause for concern given that it has a stronger effect on turning vitamin C into a pro-oxidant than iron.

3. Phosphates

Phosphates are everywhere in cosmetics, from haircare, to foundations and primers, to cleansers, and have a multitude of functions, including balancing the pH of a formula, emulsifying water and oil ingredients, and enhancing the lathering effect of a product. On their own they are fairly harmless, although for some they can be drying to the skin and hair. However, phosphates contain both trace sources of iron and copper, both of which elicit a pro-oxidant reaction from vitamin C.
Getting vitamin C from food is your best bet for optimal skin health

Getting vitamin C from food is your best bet for optimal skin health


3. Tachyphylaxis and your skin not reacting to skin care when you really need it to.



Tachyphylaxis is a word you probably never heard of before, but I am sure you are familiar with the phenomenon. If you ever had to use a certain medication long-term you may have noticed that the effects were most pronounced in the beginning, and waned over several months of use. One reason why the effects of pharmaceuticals don’t last over the long-term (with certain exceptions) is because the receptors on our cell’s surface become desensitized over time, inhibiting the drug’s effectiveness biologically.

Vitamin C serums are used to promote collagen synthesis (or at least that’s what is among the most common reasons for it being used in anti-aging skin care), and my hypothesis is that using a vitamin C serum too early in one’s life will make your body less inclined to have the positive skin benefits later on when you really need it.

When you are under the age of about 45, your body is still producing collagen on its own. With some exceptions, if you drink, smoke, or go outside without adequate UV protection you are causing the degradation of collagen, but let’s ignore those factors for the sake of this argument. If you are using a skin care supplement, such as a vitamin C serum when you are in your 20s, or 30s, when your body is already producing collagen, what is stopping tachyphylaxis from occurring? And let’s say you have been using a vitamin C serum to promote collagen (when your body is already naturally doing it on its own) for 20 years, you're 45-50 years old and your body is not producing collagen any more. Do you really think that vitamin C serum is going to have any effect now? It is like having a loaded firearm and firing all of your bullets as a warning shot. When the threat actually arrives you won’t have any bullets left to protect yourself.

Ironically, vitamin C serums can cause the breakdown of collagen, acting as a pro-aging agent when in contact with compounds that cause it to act as a pro-oxidant

Nowadays with youth-obsessed culture we go to the top-shelf of our skin care right away. I’m not saying that vitamin C serums are “top shelf” as in they are a holy grail. They’re not. They’re a gimmick at best. I am saying we go to extreme measures (which are usually gimmicky and dangerous) right away before we need them, if we ever truly need them, because people nowadays are told via advertising and marketing that wrinkles are bad. They’re not. In my experience, a person with a few wrinkles atop healthy skin looks magnitudes better than a person with taut, damaged skin from facelifts, chemical peels, and other harsh measures.



My conclusion from vitamin C serums is that they are the product of viral marketing, and are a gimmick at best and a cytotoxic agent at their worst. Why risk your skin’s health for something that we will probably all cradle our face in our hands 20 years from now at the very thought of using? If you are concerned about collagen growth, use a daily chemical exfoliant. If you are just looking for a proper skin care regimen, then just use a serum that has been heavily researched with a balance of healthy oils and extracts. And my final word is that skin care is just like every other industry out there, and every industry is just looking for the latest and greatest way to take your money. Today it’s vitamin C, tomorrow, who knows.
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References:



Buettner, G. R., & Jurkiewicz, B. A. (1996). Catalytic metals, ascorbate and free radicals: combinations to avoid. Radiation research, 145(5), 532-541. Chicago.

Ceolin, V., Ghia, C. (2014). The Fenton Reaction: pro-oxydant role of vitamin C. <http://flipper.diff.org/app/pathways/6861> Accessed November 30, 2017.

du Vivier, A., & Stoughton, R. B. (1975). Tachyphylaxis to the action of topically applied corticosteroids. Archives of Dermatology, 111(5), 581-583.

Sullivan, R. J. (1969). Air pollution aspects of iron and its compounds.

Weijun Li, Liang Xu, Xiaohuan Liu, Jianchao Zhang, Yangting Lin, Xiaohong Yao, Huiwang Gao, Daizhou Zhang, Jianmin Chen, Wenxing Wang, Roy M. Harrison, Xiaoye Zhang, Longyi Shao, Pingqing Fu, Athanasios Nenes, Zongbo Shi. Air pollution–aerosol interactions produce more bioavailable iron for ocean ecosystems. Science Advances, 2017; 3 (3): e1601749 DOI: 10.1126/sciadv.1601749
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ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Correct - add CoQ10 to that list, and, 5K unit Vitamin D3 in coconut oil capsules - the CoQ10, in particular, noticeably helped a very senior female family member's skin (she was already taking 1G Vit C daily) to regain some of its lost qualities - her feet, ankles and calfs look like they belong to someone half her age - tight and supple - CoQ10 was recommended by her elderly cardiologist as a vital daily supplement for anyone wishing to keep their heart healthy - apparently, he promotes the intake of CoQ10 among all of his heart patients - elderly, or not.

Google CoQ10 for info on what it is all about, with regards to the human body. Interesting.


intothegoodnight
Actually, I have already been taking D3 (WITH K2) and a more active form of COQ10 which is UBIQUINOL for a long time, not the Ubiquinone you recommend which is not as bio-available as Ubiquinol.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
BY THE WAY- I tried to take Vitamin C before, but I got everything from upset stomach to a stomach ache when I took the Vit C tablets or capsules but somehow the CHEWABLE vitamin C I can tolerate very well with NO tummy problems.

Before it was just like swallowing ACID to take a Vitamin C tablet. But with the chewable Vit C lozenge like tablets, it is just like having a Sweet-Tart candy, no problems.
 
Actually, I have already been taking D3 (WITH K2) and a more active form of COQ10 which is UBIQUINOL for a long time, not the Ubiquinone you recommend which is not as bio-available as Ubiquinol.

Per bolded - I made no such comment on the type of CoQ10 recommended.

Good to hear that you are supplementing with D3/K2 and CoQ10.


intothegoodnight
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
More importantly than liquid form is the actual form of the supplements. For instance:

B12 should preferably be methylcobalamin or adenosylcobalamin not the cyanocobalamin form. Hydoxy form is okay.

B9 should NEVER be folic acid - It should be the methyl forms - L-methylfolate (methyltetrahydrofolate) or calcium folinate.

Magnesium should be Glycinate or perhaps Citrate although the Citrate can give some people loose bowels. No oxide, carbonate, cloride!


My B12 is the cyanocobalamin form, I cannot take the other forms for various reasons.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have Sjogren's Syndrome. It can't be cured, but it can be kept under control by strictly limiting the amount of sugar and starchy foods you eat. I can tell the difference quickly -- my eyes and mouth get really dry the night after I've eaten too much sugar or starch. Only have to avoid them for a day to see improvement.

Kathleen

So much info has been added, since I made my posts earlier! I will have to sort through it all.

Freeholder, I've been on the keto diet for about 6 months, which means no carbs, sugars, or starchy foods. I can't tell that has helped my skin at all. For me, Sjogren's is very severe. Not only does it dry out things on the surface ( eyes, ears, mouth, skin ), but also, my internal organs as well (liver and kidneys). That's why I thought the crepey skin was just another problem from Sjogren's. It's the itchy dry patches on my arms and legs that have taken on the look of being crepey. I have spent a fortune on OTC creams and lotions, and nothing helps. I'm just using plain coconut oil right now.

I also have Lupus which limits me on a lot of things/foods/vitamins, supplements. Some of these can cause a severe Lupus flare up for me, along with too much sun and stress.
 
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goosebeans

Veteran Member
What forms of selenium, chromium, zinc, potassium, B6 are recommended?

I take B12 in the form of methylcobalamin, designed to be taken sublingually (under the tongue) for better absorption - simple cherry flavor.


intothegoodnight


A heads up on selenium. Brazil nuts are extremely high in selenium. Just one nut a day provides more than the recommended dose. They also contain magnesium. Be careful though, don't chow down on these things, it's easy to overdose on selenium. One a day is good.

I remember reading on another forum, someone's son who was on a strict keto diet for epilepsy was experiencing severe hair loss. His nutritionist had him add one Brazil nut per day and it solved the problem. Pretty amazing.

https://draxe.com/brazil-nuts/
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
A heads up on selenium. Brazil nuts are extremely high in selenium. Just one nut a day provides more than the recommended dose. They also contain magnesium. Be careful though, don't chow down on these things, it's easy to overdose on selenium. One a day is good.

I remember reading on another forum, someone's son who was on a strict keto diet for epilepsy was experiencing severe hair loss. His nutritionist had him add one Brazil nut per day and it solved the problem. Pretty amazing.

https://draxe.com/brazil-nuts/

This is what I'm doing now except I'll eat two or three and not think about it again for a few days, it seems that Lewy Body Dementia with Parkinson's is not only dopamine centric, but also selenium and magnesium centric. All of these things work in concert with one another. Macadamia nuts and hazelnuts are also high in selenium, magnesium, etc.
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
My B12 is the cyanocobalamin form, I cannot take the other forms for various reasons.

How about the B9 does it list "folic acid"?

Cyanocobalamin is essentially junk because many people cannot convert it to it's useable form. This is the inert form made from cyanide molecule. It cannot be used in it's current form and manufactures only use it because it's cheap. It has to go through two enzymatic processes to be utilized by the body. You need to use either the methyl form which provides methyl donors for the methylation and/or the adenosyl form to provide assistance with ATP production. (energy)

If you're having side effects from certain B vitamins I suspect it's from folic acid clogging up the receptor sites because you have a snips which prevents conversion to B9. If folate is low (even though folic acid may be high folic acid it NOT B9) then you're body won't use the B12 properly either. They work together and to some extent with B6 as well.

I'm at work and apologize the above paragraph is written sloppy but this would perfectly explain why you feel side effects from some forms of b vitamins and possibly other supplements as well.
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
This is what I'm doing now except I'll eat two or three and not think about it again for a few days, it seems that Lewy Body Dementia with Parkinson's is not only dopamine centric, but also selenium and magnesium centric. All of these things work in concert with one another. Macadamia nuts and hazelnuts are also high in selenium, magnesium, etc.

Grr I'm at work with limited time but I think you're fixable. I concur with Brazil nuts for selenium and selenium being critical.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
This stuff is great; I load up on Vitamin C because it helps greatly against my electromagnetic sensitivity.

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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Left handed Vitamin C?

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/vitamin-c-myths-1742.html

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Myth number two: L-ascorbic acid versus D-ascorbic acid
Along with a host of other molecules, ascorbic acid is a chiral compound. This means that it exists in forms that are effectively mirror images.

Even though the chemical composition of the forms is identical, they have different three dimensional configurations. Missing your left arm is very different from missing your right arm, even though the sum total of what makes you up is the same. A right-handed person cannot play golf with left-handed clubs. In some situations, there is no significant difference in the clinical impact or the laboratory interactions between enantiomers, or mirror image molecules.

However, such mirror image molecules can also have vastly different effects, especially when a given chemical reaction requires a “lock-and-key” relationship between the reacting molecules. One key fits, and the mirror image key does not. As a practical point, however, one enantiomer can sometimes have a “full expression” and the other enantiomer can have a partial expression, rather than just none.
In the case of ascorbic acid, or vitamin C, the L-form is the form most active in nature. For some of vitamin C’s known effects, the D-form has little to no activity, and for other effects the D-form has significant activity, although not typically to the extent that the L-form shows activity.

Basically, the vitamin C that is derived from natural sources is the L-form. However, the synthetic form of vitamin C can be either the L-form, the D-form, or both. Properly assaying the product determines whether any D-form is present. But just because vitamin C is synthetic does not mean it is the D-form.
/snip
 

Mercury3

Veteran Member
Left handed Vitamin C?

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/vitamin-c-myths-1742.html

snip/
Myth number two: L-ascorbic acid versus D-ascorbic acid
Along with a host of other molecules, ascorbic acid is a chiral compound. This means that it exists in forms that are effectively mirror images.

Even though the chemical composition of the forms is identical, they have different three dimensional configurations. Missing your left arm is very different from missing your right arm, even though the sum total of what makes you up is the same. A right-handed person cannot play golf with left-handed clubs. In some situations, there is no significant difference in the clinical impact or the laboratory interactions between enantiomers, or mirror image molecules.

However, such mirror image molecules can also have vastly different effects, especially when a given chemical reaction requires a “lock-and-key” relationship between the reacting molecules. One key fits, and the mirror image key does not. As a practical point, however, one enantiomer can sometimes have a “full expression” and the other enantiomer can have a partial expression, rather than just none.
In the case of ascorbic acid, or vitamin C, the L-form is the form most active in nature. For some of vitamin C’s known effects, the D-form has little to no activity, and for other effects the D-form has significant activity, although not typically to the extent that the L-form shows activity.

Basically, the vitamin C that is derived from natural sources is the L-form. However, the synthetic form of vitamin C can be either the L-form, the D-form, or both. Properly assaying the product determines whether any D-form is present. But just because vitamin C is synthetic does not mean it is the D-form.
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I think most of the ascorbic acid sold is the L form but sadly they don't always write it that way so no way of knowing for sure. (L-Ascorbic Acid)
 

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Most is the D form - which is responsible for the laxative effect of large doses. We take multi-gram doses of the Beyond Health L version with no problem...
 
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