ALERT UK: King Charles has cancer/Update; has Bell's Palsy
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John Deere Girl
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I'm so sorry! My Dad had the same thing happen to him too.
Profit of Doom
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energy_wave
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It's possible someone wanted him out of the way and gave him cancer. New world and all. Charles dying could begin the fall of Ephraim.
Barry Natchitoches
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Are we sure Charles does not just have prostate cancer?
Yes, prostate cancer can kill.
But MOST men get prostate cancer by age 70 or so. It kind of comes with the territory as a male ages.
And most do not die of theit prostate cancer.
In fact, nowadays, an ever growing number of men do not even get treated for it. The doctors prescribe Watchful Waiting for men with early stage prostate cancer, as it is very slow growing, and most of them will never see their cancers get far enough along to truly need treatment.
My father was diagnosed at age 65 with an early form of prostate cancer. He died at age 99, due to injuries incurred when he took a fall and broke several brittle bones. His death had nothing to do with his prostate.
He never had surgery, nor radiation, nor chemotherapy.
Yes, prostate cancer can kill.
But MOST men get prostate cancer by age 70 or so. It kind of comes with the territory as a male ages.
And most do not die of theit prostate cancer.
In fact, nowadays, an ever growing number of men do not even get treated for it. The doctors prescribe Watchful Waiting for men with early stage prostate cancer, as it is very slow growing, and most of them will never see their cancers get far enough along to truly need treatment.
My father was diagnosed at age 65 with an early form of prostate cancer. He died at age 99, due to injuries incurred when he took a fall and broke several brittle bones. His death had nothing to do with his prostate.
He never had surgery, nor radiation, nor chemotherapy.
Barry Natchitoches
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Momma Soapmaker and John Deere Girl,
I am sincerely sorry for your fathers’ experiences with prostate cancer.
i do not mean to make light of your fathers’ experiences in what I wrote in post #125.
It is just that I think it is premature to write Charles off as a man likely to die, as some posts in this thread have leaned towards, when such a large number of elderly men get a mild, almost benign form of prostate cancer that is not likely to kill them.
I did not have time to read page 3 of this thread, but from what I have read, the only thing we know right now is that he has “cancer.”
If he has prostate cancer, experiences range all the way from the horrible experience your fathers had to the mild, relatively non-troublesome experience that my father had.
We really do not know what Charles will experience yet.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I didn't mean to sound like Charles is on his deathbed, but Harry's sudden flying over to the UK to see him suggests this is something being taken very seriously. That fact that it was announced as cancer at all is a change in the usual protocol, though all they said was it was NOT prostate cancer but some other kind.
This morning, The news says that whatever it was, it was "caught early," which could be good news. But if was thought to be a less serious threat than as someone mentioned many posts ago, there would have been a much different headline along the lines of "The King is undergoing treatment for a small cancer found during a routine check, it was caught early and he has a high chance of making a full recovery. He will cut back on public duties while undergoing his therapy." Or something like that.
Americans are used to having the medical issues of their politicians and famous people spread in public, especially the President. In the UK it is rare for very much medical information to be given out about the major royals at all. Hence, Kate has "abdominal surgery," and we only know because, in this day and age, she would be seen going into the hospital (in my parent's generation, they brought an operating set up to the palace)and needed to explain a long absence from the public duties the royals are paid to do.
I mean, my first guess is that she probably had a hysterectomy. I had one, and the recovery time is about right. I wish she had talked about it; maybe she will when she's better. But only because she was so helpful in bringing public attention to the severe and sometimes fatal form of morning sickness that she had (which, like many female issues, tended to be ignored, even by doctors, until the situation was critical). But if she chooses not to, it is her business, plain and simple.
Anyway, the very public nature of the announcement and the quick moves to get family members to see Charles and start appointing some of them to take over some of his public appointments speaks volumes. I don't think Harry would hurry home in a few days (what they are saying now) if this was a superficial skin cancer or something that, caught early, is usually fully treatable (and not an urgent danger in most cases).
This morning, The news says that whatever it was, it was "caught early," which could be good news. But if was thought to be a less serious threat than as someone mentioned many posts ago, there would have been a much different headline along the lines of "The King is undergoing treatment for a small cancer found during a routine check, it was caught early and he has a high chance of making a full recovery. He will cut back on public duties while undergoing his therapy." Or something like that.
Americans are used to having the medical issues of their politicians and famous people spread in public, especially the President. In the UK it is rare for very much medical information to be given out about the major royals at all. Hence, Kate has "abdominal surgery," and we only know because, in this day and age, she would be seen going into the hospital (in my parent's generation, they brought an operating set up to the palace)and needed to explain a long absence from the public duties the royals are paid to do.
I mean, my first guess is that she probably had a hysterectomy. I had one, and the recovery time is about right. I wish she had talked about it; maybe she will when she's better. But only because she was so helpful in bringing public attention to the severe and sometimes fatal form of morning sickness that she had (which, like many female issues, tended to be ignored, even by doctors, until the situation was critical). But if she chooses not to, it is her business, plain and simple.
Anyway, the very public nature of the announcement and the quick moves to get family members to see Charles and start appointing some of them to take over some of his public appointments speaks volumes. I don't think Harry would hurry home in a few days (what they are saying now) if this was a superficial skin cancer or something that, caught early, is usually fully treatable (and not an urgent danger in most cases).
MountainBiker
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I have long had a similar thought. Hopefully UK security is vigilant in protecting William & his kids.
The palace specifically said it was not prostate cancer.
If I had to take a wild shot at it, they probably did a colonoscopy while he was "in the neighborhood", and may have found something there. The argument against that is he's not having immediate surgery, but apparently is going to undergo treatment, which to me spells chemo and/or radiation.
Who knows. More info will be forthcoming.Crap comes along and shakes up people's worlds. Even the rich and powerful. Thing is, the job position is covered - been planned that way for a long time, and if William has to become King, he will handle it as well as any of them did.
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Bubble Head
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Could have a Turbo Cancer. New term after the vac that takes you in a few weeks.
Southside
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Acute Diverticulitis. That will give you a long stay in the place.
According to the BBC website, Harry is already in London, and Charles is headed for Sandringham today. Really does sound more serious.
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The “Yoko Ono” of the British royal family
bw
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A colonoscopy isn't a spur of the moment decision.
Good point. I hadn’t considered diverticulitis. That also has a long recovery time once you’re released.
SlipperySlope
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My DH had bad diverticulitis when he was 75. They took out about 2 feet of his colon and he was only in the hospital for 2 days. I was shocked since he also had several comorbidities.
Southside
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45 days off my feet. Got rid of excruciating bursitis in both of my Achilles tendons due to the rest.
I am not going to say it was worth it, but that miserable pain is gone, and I can run again, after not being able to for 15 years.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Also a hernia with strangulation
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Ahhh yes but he’s not a princess soon to be queen!
Barry Natchitoches
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OK, I was not aware of that.The palace specifically said it was not prostate cancer.
If I had to take a wild shot at it, they probably did a colonoscopy while he was "in the neighborhood", and may have found something there. The argument against that is he's not having immediate surgery, but apparently is going to undergo treatment, which to me spells chemo and/or radiation.
Crap comes along and shakes up people's worlds. Even the rich and powerful. Thing is, the job position is covered - been planned that way for a long time, and if William has to become King, he will handle it as well as any of them did.
Bubble Head
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Not prostrate cancer but the exam is usually through the rectum. If they want tissue samples of the prostrate they go through the rectum. What ever they found is more than likely associated with his GI tract. Of course the rectum, bladder and prostrate are all controlled by the same nerve bundles as well as the lymph glands are right there.
night driver
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My last prostate/bladder check was through the urethra, un sedated. NEVER AGAIN! Sedatives mandatory henceforth.
Bubble Head
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I go next week without sedation. Take a stick and put it in your month to bite down. Not my idea of a good time.
The reason they went through the urethra is to scope the bladder. I have known individuals with benign prostrate where they went through the urethra to roto router the prostrate down. Of course they were out but the thought makes me want to scream.
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TBonz
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Poor guy. Has to have prostate surgery and they find cancer. It seems thought, according to some, that they "caught it early." My speculative guess would be something like bladder cancer.
As for Catherine, my guess would be a hysterectomy. They take some time from which to recover.
As for Catherine, my guess would be a hysterectomy. They take some time from which to recover.
Me too and it was horrible. Like torture!
psychgirl
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I had my bladder checked that way, years ago. I had no idea what was coming, too.
They were looking for bladder cancer after blood was found in a urinalysis ( long story, but I was ok)
They told me it would feel like “a bee sting”….IIRC, it WAS fairly uncomfortable but if it helps you to know, it wasn’t terribly painful. Seems like the entire procedure was over in just a few minutes. They did it right then and there in the office.
Not fun that’s for sure, but not hideously bad.
You can do it!
Hfcomms
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The male urethra is a lot longer than the female equivalent. Take your experience and multiply it 2x or 3x. When I did the kidney donation they came out with a catheter about 15” long. And to be blunt there is not nearly that much of me. 
For something like that if they are going to be rooting around I’d rather be knocked out.
For something like that if they are going to be rooting around I’d rather be knocked out.
SlipperySlope
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It bugs me that in any medical system (even a 'free' one like Britain) has different standards of care for the wealthy and special. This includes those in congress who get to go to Walter Reed. When I think of how many times DH got kicked out half dead 2 days after surgery and then read about Sen. soandso being at Walter Reed for over a week with no complications it just bugs me. Us regular folks get booted out fairly quickly. How could they know ahead of time that Princess would need 10-14 days in hospital? I have friends in Canada who waited for months for cancer treatment and Charles gets his started in less than a week. I know..life's not fair. I guess I've just seen too much. I must be getting old.
night driver
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Because of my last surgery, I developed "Sleepy Bladder" (Ya, it's a 'THING' and there are a couple ICD(n) codes for it) and the Urology folks taught me how to cath myself. Once in the office (WHY are all their NPs and PAs young women?????) and came home. Picked one of the test caths and relevant pieces of anatomy DISAPPEARED!! And said "NO F'n WAY, pop. NOT in HERE you don't!!!"
I CAN tell ya that Finasteride (yes it CAN grow hair and etc) and Tamsulosin work JUST FINE!! (thankyewverymuch!)
I CAN tell ya that Finasteride (yes it CAN grow hair and etc) and Tamsulosin work JUST FINE!! (thankyewverymuch!)
There are big differences between the UK & US healthcare systems. The Princess does not use the NHS she (like many wealthy people in the UK) pays out of pocket to go private. She is paying for the care she receives and this way she is not taking an NHS bed from someone who needs it that cannot afford private care.
I assume they knew ahead of time how long she would need to be hospitalized based on the type of surgery she was having.
SlipperySlope
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That proves my point. If you have the money you have access to a different system/setup/treatment than others.
Our system needs a massive overhaul too. Middle class folks are paying through the nose. I know a few families paying over 10k a year for family premiums. They still had huge deductibles.
Our system needs a massive overhaul too. Middle class folks are paying through the nose. I know a few families paying over 10k a year for family premiums. They still had huge deductibles.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
The UK has a public (NHS) and Private (insurance-based) system. Private insurance tends to be much cheaper than in the US for those who qualify because the insurance companies don't have to accept anyone they don't want to. Ireland has a similar system, except their "public" system often charges, and this is increasingly causing problems when people delay care because they can't pay for GP visits or tests. Then, they end up in the hospital with a covered medical crisis.
I am reasonably sure the UK Royal family has some sort of insurance, or their care is paid for out of their own money.
As for Kate, if she did have a hysterectomy, it is relatively easy to predict that a lady will be somewhat fragile for about two months or slightly longer. I was kept in a week after mine, which isn't uncommon. If there are complications, that can take longer. The older style of surgery (which I had and some women need for various reasons) takes several months to recover fully from. As someone silly enough to take a car trip to Sweden followed by a week at a large campground, then the road and ferry trip back after just six weeks, I can confirm that most ladies are better off not doing a lot of traveling sitting in one position or standing up for long periods.
All of which Kate would have to do if she returned to her usual heavy royal duties visiting hospitals, charities, schools, and civic organizations, aka travel, travel, travel.
I am reasonably sure the UK Royal family has some sort of insurance, or their care is paid for out of their own money.
As for Kate, if she did have a hysterectomy, it is relatively easy to predict that a lady will be somewhat fragile for about two months or slightly longer. I was kept in a week after mine, which isn't uncommon. If there are complications, that can take longer. The older style of surgery (which I had and some women need for various reasons) takes several months to recover fully from. As someone silly enough to take a car trip to Sweden followed by a week at a large campground, then the road and ferry trip back after just six weeks, I can confirm that most ladies are better off not doing a lot of traveling sitting in one position or standing up for long periods.
All of which Kate would have to do if she returned to her usual heavy royal duties visiting hospitals, charities, schools, and civic organizations, aka travel, travel, travel.
Tristan
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Never underestimate the ability of Politicians to f**k things up.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
NBC News Today this afternoon just announced that William has assumed/taken over the "royal" duties.
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bw
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Shakedown cruise.
Donghe Surfer
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"resume".....from NBC:
"Prince William is set to resume his public duties as his wife recuperates from surgery and his father King Charles III undergoes treatment for cancer."
SouthernBreeze
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The cancer they found must be very advanced. It seems everything "royal" is moving pretty quickly for it not to be.