GOV/MIL U.S. military heading to the moon, base possible before end of decade: Rep. Ken Calvert

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U.S. military heading to the moon, base possible before end of decade: Rep. Ken Calvert​


Ryan Lovelace​


The U.S. military is likely headed to the moon to counter multiplying threats in space from China and Russia, a key House Republican predicts.

Space wars no longer appear to be science fiction for U.S. policymakers. Rep. Ken Calvert, the California Republican who chairs the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, says he is bracing for China to militarize the moon and Russia to put a megaton bomb in low Earth orbit.

Mr. Calvert told the Hill & Valley Forum’s gathering of top tech and government officials in Washington this week that the U.S. Space Force is likely headed to the moon as well.




“Space Force will be actively involved in, I think, in going to the moon at some point and that discussion is ongoing,” Mr. Calvert said. “Obviously, China is probably going to militarize the moon, I have no doubt, so I suspect we will have a base on the moon also … maybe by the end of this decade.”

China is planning its own moon base. In April, the Chinese National Space Administration published a video depicting its plans for a lunar base, the International Lunar Research Station, broadcast by the state-run China Global Television Network. China and Russia previously announced plans for the ILRS in 2021.

“By 2035, ILRS will build Basic Model to implement regular lunar scientific experiments, technology verification, and in-situ resource utilization,” read English-language captions on the video depicting China’s plans to establish a settlement on the moon. “By 2045, ILRS will build a comprehensive well-operated Extended Model to implement lunar-based complex scientific researches well as large-scale lunar resources utilization to support humankind go to deeper space.”

And on Friday, Chinese space officials launched a new lunar probe that is designed to land on the far side of the moon and return with samples that could provide insights into differences between the less-explored region and the better-known near side.

China’s bold plans included an embarrassing blunder, however. Space.com noticed the video included a rendering of a NASA space shuttle taking off from the moon’s surface, and China’s state-run broadcaster then blurred the shuttle in the video it posted on YouTube.

Mr. Calvert said he anticipates NASA will miss a target of returning to the moon between fiscal 2025 and 2026, but the “horse has left the barn” on efforts to prevent militarizing space.

“According to news reports, Russia is moving forward to put an apparently one-megaton bomb into low-Earth orbit,” Mr. Calvert said. “And that’s basically blackmail against the world if something happens that they don’t agree to, that they would threaten to have that bomb go off. And of course everything in low-Earth orbit would be destroyed because the radiation field it would create around the world.”

If detonated, the bomb would completely shut off space, according to Tom Mueller, Impulse Space CEO who previously helped start SpaceX, the private rocket design and launch firm.

He told the Hill & Valley Forum that he hoped nobody would be stupid enough to use the bomb.

“If a large nuclear weapon were let off in low Earth orbit, not only would the radiation just destroy everything on that side of the earth immediately but then the collisions of all the debris would continue and it would be basically low Earth orbit would be unusable for possibly for decades,” Mr. Mueller said.

Delian Asparouhov, co-founder of Varda Space Industries and one of the forum’s organizers, said the moon is an important high ground for the United States to hold over its adversaries.

“I would argue that the moon is ultimately, in some ways, the most important civil and military objective over the course of the next decade,” Mr. Asparouhov said.

Asked by Mr. Asparouhov if they would visit America’s potential moon base if it is accessible by 2034, both Mr. Calvert and Mr. Mueller said they wanted to go. Mr. Calvert said he would be about 80 years old, but he would make the trek if the U.S. would take him.
 

Zardoz

Contributing Member
I think we, the USA, should send every career politician to the moon now, and they can hash out the details of a moon base while there. You know, so the USA could get the best location. As everyone knows, in Real Estate, it's always, location, location, location...
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I lay odds we are already there. All this race stuff is just window dressing for the masses. NASA was not so expensive for no reason, I suspect that the funds were diverted for a second or third space program...
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Hilarious- nasa can’t even launch its own satellites

Well, that's not really true. We still do launch our own satellites, though some are farmed out to other state and commercial entities.

Much more importantly, what we don't do and haven't been able to do since the demise of the Space Shuttle is send astronauts into space on a US-created ship (which would be capable of meeting and docking into the International Space Station).

Unfortunately, for that we need Russia and have been using Russian space ships to carry our astronauts for decades. In truth, considering that we're in a low intensity war with Russia, I'm amazed that the Russians are still willing to transport our astronauts to and from the ISS.

The Russians could come up with some story to the effect that they are having technical difficulties with their ships and hence can barely transport their own cosmonauts to and from the ISS. Doing that would effectively make the ISS an exclusively Russian outpost in space, without a shot being fired.

As far as the US Military creating a base on the Moon goes, I think that's a pipe fantasy. This country is entering the leading edge of a depression and our funny money - printed into oblivion - is being shunned and boycotted by nations around the world. A Moon base would be an almost impossibly expensive undertaking and I believe that in the coming handful of years, with the ngoing debasement of our currency, the US will lack the financial wherewithal to bring it off.

Best
Doc
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
Money is no issue. Didn’t we just hear from the adults in the room, about how the money system works. Just print more. Or JB wanting to tax capital gains at 44%.
Moon base alpha. Here we come. Or not
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
Well, that's not really true. We still do launch our own satellites
Does NASA have satellite launch capability currently? I thought it was all subcontracted while they focus on manned flight until the “space launch system” (which is behind schedule) is operational?
 

Masterphreak

Senior Member
Well, that's not really true. We still do launch our own satellites, though some are farmed out to other state and commercial entities.

Much more importantly, what we don't do and haven't been able to do since the demise of the Space Shuttle is send astronauts into space on a US-created ship (which would be capable of meeting and docking into the International Space Station).

Unfortunately, for that we need Russia and have been using Russian space ships to carry our astronauts for decades. In truth, considering that we're in a low intensity war with Russia, I'm amazed that the Russians are still willing to transport our astronauts to and from the ISS.

The Russians could come up with some story to the effect that they are having technical difficulties with their ships and hence can barely transport their own cosmonauts to and from the ISS. Doing that would effectively make the ISS an exclusively Russian outpost in space, without a shot being fired.

As far as the US Military creating a base on the Moon goes, I think that's a pipe fantasy. This country is entering the leading edge of a depression and our funny money - printed into oblivion - is being shunned and boycotted by nations around the world. A Moon base would be an almost impossibly expensive undertaking and I believe that in the coming handful of years, with the ngoing debasement of our currency, the US will lack the financial wherewithal to bring it off.

Best
Doc
NASA has been using SpaceX to transport astronauts back and forth since 2020. We still have a seat sharing arrangement with Russia however. Tomorrow the Boeing Starliner is supposed to launch its first crewed mission. The US... well actually SpaceX is so far ahead technologically that it will take 10-15 years for any other country to catch up. We are on the dawn of the next frontier.

SpaceX already works with the military. I'm sure they will be the ones providing the ride to the Moon.
 

Masterphreak

Senior Member
Does NASA have satellite launch capability currently? I thought it was all subcontracted while they focus on manned flight until the “space launch system” (which is behind schedule) is operational?
The "Space Launch System" was obsolete before it ever flew. I doubt we will ever see it fly more that half a dozen times. Too expensive and too expendable... at 2 billion+ per launch?
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
The "Space Launch System" was obsolete before it ever flew. I doubt we will ever see it fly more that half a dozen times. Too expensive and too expendable... at 2 billion+ per launch?

Yeah. The offerings from Space-X makes the SLS so obsolete as well as a money pit it should be a no brainer.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
I think the current limitations such as Van Allen radiation belt and one of the atmospheres being too hot would keep us from reaching deep space.......Given our current technology.

Technology we do not know about could make it possible, such as anti-gravity spacecraft and the possibility of portals or wormholes. Since we do not know about them we have to assume current technology on our trip to the moon.

What other science are we not aware of?
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think the current limitations such as Van Allen radiation belt and one of the atmospheres being too hot would keep us from reaching deep space.......Given our current technology.

Technology we do not know about could make it possible, such as anti-gravity spacecraft and the possibility of portals or wormholes. Since we do not know about them we have to assume current technology on our trip to the moon.

What other science are we not aware of?
The problem with being a liar is that eventually your lies will self-contradict. NASA told us the sun emits deadly radiation, most of which is deflected by our magnetosphere. They show us satellite imagery of the solar emissions compressing our protective fields. They told us the moon missions used paper-thin aluminum foil as a heat and radiation shield and that men lived for days with compressed air tanks on their backs in suits that could withstand temperature range of -208 to +250F and outside complete vacuum levels making any flexibility in a suit balloon out to immobility.

But sure, we like a good story and movie and will buy the ticket.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
No need to worry. DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion) teams have already designed those facilities for infinite genders. They just have not yet been able to figure out how to get there and bring all their trash with them.
nope. not going to happen.

you cannot have a space suit - male, can't have a space suit - female, can't have a space suit - unisex
you have to have unique space suits for each gender . . . and then there are the furries.

they ain't never getting to the moon.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
nope. not going to happen.

you cannot have a space suit - male, can't have a space suit - female, can't have a space suit - unisex
you have to have unique space suits for each gender . . . and then there are the furries.

they ain't never getting to the moon.
on the other hand, according to Star Trek, the military does actually get to the moon . . .
and they take all the extra genders with em . . . and the furries too.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Just a black program which will milk the money, and produce nothing............research is so expensive. Eventually they will get there, maybe a Tang substitute, Thang. Make it red.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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It will never happen. All our national treasure is, and will continue to go to turd whirled peasants flooding in illegally.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Radiation exposure from cosmic sources and solar activity are nothing to sneeze about.

If going to the Moon is that important, robot and remote operated systems need to be in the vanguard and their development would have immediate technological and economic returns.
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
That is impossible. The military is just designed for destroying things and killing people. What are they going to do destroy the moon.
 
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