CORONA Trump Warns Suicides From The Coming Economic Depression Will Far Surpass Those From The Virus

Blacknarwhal

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Um...well...maybe?

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Trump Warns Suicides From The Coming Economic Depression Will Far Surpass Those From The Virus

Authored by Mac Slavo via SHTFplan.com,

Social distancing rules may be relaxed sometime soon to prevent “tremendous death” from the economic depression that could end up worse than the coronavirus itself, President Donald Trump said. But even a few more weeks of closures will almost certainly usher in an economic depression and the suicides that come with it.

The 2008 Great Recession resulted in more than 10,000 suicides. If the economy is “closed for business” much longer, that number could be dwarfed by the number of people who can no longer survive without a livelihood.



People get tremendous anxiety and depression and you have suicide over things like this, when you have a terrible economy, you have death,” President Donald Trump said Monday at the White House daily press briefing according to a report by RT.
Trump added that those suicides would “definitely be in far greater numbers than we’re talking about with regard to the virus.”

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President Trump on economy: "We can't turn that off and think it's going to be wonderful. There'll be tremendous repercussions. There will be tremendous death...probably more death from that than anything that we're talking about with respect to the virus."

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At this point, we are simply swapping some deaths or others. The bottom line is that people don’t have lives if they don’t have livelihoods and the chance to live out their dreams in freedom. Trump did say that all of the lockdowns will “end very soon.” Some reports show, however, that it could be Easter before the government allows us to have our illusion of freedom back.

Meanwhile, a record 3.3 million people filed for initial jobless claims last week...






“This was a medical problem, we’re not going to let it turn into a long-lasting financial problem,” he added, urging Congress to pass the $2 trillion stimulus bill urgently and without partisan politicking, as workers and employees across the U.S. were hurting from lockdowns and quarantines. Although this is already a financial problem for many, as many of the businesses that closed during the lockdown will never reopen, their owners and employees losing their livelihoods for the foreseeable future. That’s hardly a solution. The U.S. economy was not meant to shut down, and the longer it is, the greater the impact will be.

Trump said the administration’s thinking had evolved due to receiving better numbers on the mortality rate from COVID-19, which was initially thought to be at five percent, but now seems to be much lower, below one percent.

Trump added that he was not considering further travel bans, whether on entry into the U.S. or on moving between the states. He also noted that even when things get back to a semblance of normalcy, there would be tradeoffs in behavior after “the invisible scourge of the virus is gone.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
There’s also the misery index. If we have an economic collapse, people will wish for these halcyon days of a .00001% chance of dying from the coronavirus.

Many of my friends are now people who’ve lost a loved one to suicide and I’m not talking about your barber’s uncle or your cousin’s friend.

I’m talking about women who found their husband hanging from a rafter in the garage or sitting in the living room with the top of his head missing.

I have made many posts on Facebook and people just scream, “You don’t f***ing care about your fellow citizens!”

And I want to scream right back, “No, I do care and we’re quickly speeding toward a type of hellish existence that you can’t fathom where people end their lives to escape this misery.”

I am so tired of people thinking that it’s okay to destroy an economy and a republic and a prosperous first-world lifestyle to save a few.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
it’s okay to destroy an economy and a republic and a prosperous first-world lifestyle to save a few

To save a few banksters, sure it's OK. That is what we are doing after all.

Here is YESTERDAY's casualty report in the coronawar-



March 25 (GMT)
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Suicide Statistics — AFSP
suicide/suicide-st
On average, there are 132 suicides per day.
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Donald needs either a competent staff, or a gag.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I never took an oath to Protect and Defend the Federal Reserve Note. I would not want the pressure President Trump has on his shoulders but I agree suicides will go up. Especially with all the drug use that is being sanctioned. The suicide attempts in our very small community has increased dramatically over the last year. More drugs and more delusions. If people turn to drugs to ease the financial pain it is a disaster. They need to turn their face to GOD and he will heal us.
 

Catnip

Veteran Member
The problem with this entire CV-19 scenario is that those who are infected are being shuffled into Those-Who-Died column, as though being infected is a death sentence. Most people who have CV-19 are not very sick. Those who actually die are those with compromised immune systems or the very old who don't have the strength to fight it. People on other forums do not even know anyone who is sick with CV-19 much less anyone who died from it.
 

Esto Perpetua

Veteran Member
suicide . . . home invasion, homicide, burglary . . . and then there are the riots
they are and will be releasing people from jail
guns stores are non essential while liquor and pot stores are essential
Yes, this is what he's hoping to prevent by opening up soon. If shutdowns go on too long it's going to be The Purge(movie)out there which given the sheer evil, depravity and outright cruelty running rampant out there amongst the smoothbrains, promises to be far worse than some kind of super contagious flu.
 

hardrock

Veteran Member
The suicide attempts in our very small community has increased dramatically over the last year.

Just wait til POTUS has to close the southern border, our nation of junkies will all be blowing their brains out shortly.
IMO, the virus will cause a lot of sickness and death, but not as much as if this country was shut down.
Trump's balancing act can go two ways, bad and FUBAR. He's trying to avoid fubar at all costs because what it will cost, is everything.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Suicide Statistics — AFSP
suicide/suicide-st
On average, there are 132 suicides per day.
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I would submit that the concern is that we are not in average times.

The President is not necessarily wrong, but the results are merely not yet quantifiable. If what he wants to do vis-a-vis restarting the economy, those results may never occur, i.e., people may not off themselves in despair or a criminal freefall. Of course, without those results, we'll never know.
 
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Bad Hand

Veteran Member
The Democrats and especially Nancy Pelosie can be blamed for this nightmare that is unfolding. She is with holding the financial aid that people desperately need right now. It isn't going to be just suicide it is going to be murder suicide of whole families.
 

end game

Veteran Member
Financial hardship was going to happen anyway. Fed has be rehypothecating corporate debt and buying mbs for months.
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
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The Democrats and especially Nancy Pelosie can be blamed for this nightmare that is unfolding. She is with holding the financial aid that people desperately need right now. It isn't going to be just suicide it is going to be murder suicide of whole families.
No, it passed.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
He's talking about a societal collapse, and he's right.

Thanks. That’s what I have been trying to say on Facebook but with no good result.

I got attacked verbally by my “friends” for suggesting that destroying this economy is going to get very very ugly.

But you summed it up here.

Thank you.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
IMHO we should wait to cancel the stay at home policy. I feel more people will die when we let people run all over the place again spreading the infection. I agree Trump is in a very hard place and I would not trade places with him for any amount of money. But my take is the people who catch this virus are totally innocent but people who commit suicide are not innocent. They are selfish and cowardly. And have no respect for the family they leave behind. I speak from experience on this---the family never recovers from a suicide. Just my humble opinion.

Actually, you're right. More people WILL die from infection spreading.

But MANY more people will die from a dead economy.

You can't let 500 die to save 50.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
IMHO we should wait to cancel the stay at home policy. I feel more people will die when we let people run all over the place again spreading the infection. I agree Trump is in a very hard place and I would not trade places with him for any amount of money. But my take is the people who catch this virus are totally innocent but people who commit suicide are not innocent. They are selfish and cowardly. And have no respect for the family they leave behind. I speak from experience on this---the family never recovers from a suicide. Just my humble opinion.

I am not thinking that a wholesale cancellation is either in order or planned. This would be a regional thing where some locations with stable/low infection rates exist, and/or places that provide something critical critical to the country, such as agriculture.
 

Dozdoats

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Just wait til POTUS has to close the southern border, our nation of junkies will all be blowing their brains out shortly.

If the "good stuff" (fentanyl etc) doesn't come from China, the precursor chemicals do. Border or no border, druggies are toast where drugs from China are concerned.

As are the rest of us, at least in the short term.
 

amazon

Veteran Member
IMHO we should wait to cancel the stay at home policy. I feel more people will die when we let people run all over the place again spreading the infection. I agree Trump is in a very hard place and I would not trade places with him for any amount of money. But my take is the people who catch this virus are totally innocent but people who commit suicide are not innocent. They are selfish and cowardly. And have no respect for the family they leave behind. I speak from experience on this---the family never recovers from a suicide. Just my humble opinion.

WOW!! "selfish and cowardly"! Are you kidding me? Do you know anything about mental health disorders? Your post is one of the most callous and cold hearted I've read here. That's saying something.

Are all the people who get CV "innocent"? Those with co-morbidities brought on by gluttony, smoking, sloth, alcohol, drugs.....Come on. Most co-morbidities are self inflicted. There are exceptions, but they are in the minority.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
IMHO we should wait to cancel the stay at home policy. I feel more people will die when we let people run all over the place again spreading the infection. I agree Trump is in a very hard place and I would not trade places with him for any amount of money. But my take is the people who catch this virus are totally innocent but people who commit suicide are not innocent. They are selfish and cowardly. And have no respect for the family they leave behind. I speak from experience on this---the family never recovers from a suicide. Just my humble opinion.
With respect, serious depression is a medical condition with a chemical imbalance component and in some cases a genetic predisposition. A mental illness is not a moral failing but a physical one. If you take someone with this condition and remove all their supports and at the same time turn their world upside down, suicide is not an unimaginable result.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
The problem with this entire CV-19 scenario is that those who are infected are being shuffled into Those-Who-Died column, as though being infected is a death sentence. Most people who have CV-19 are not very sick. Those who actually die are those with compromised immune systems or the very old who don't have the strength to fight it. People on other forums do not even know anyone who is sick with CV-19 much less anyone who died from it.


This^^^ they'd done gone and put the cart before the horse again.
 

mudlogger

Veteran Member
I took it to mean the bad hats would take that way out to avoid public disclosure of their heinous sins. Q has mentioned suicide weekend more than once.
 

Coulter

Veteran Member
This almost goes without saying. Most people lead lives of quiet desperation to begin with.

Yet we are the luckiest people to have ever lived on this planet.

And now the most pampered people to have ever lived are facing - potentially some if not the hardest times we can imagine.
 
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mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
Yes and as a result we have little resiliency. The Outward Bound movement, IIRC, got started because the founder observed that after a U-boat sank a ship, the survivors were not the young healthy men but rather the grizzled old bastards who had been through so much worse.
 

questionable1

Contributing Member
Those with co-morbidities brought on by gluttony, smoking, sloth, alcohol, drugs.....Come on. Most co-morbidities are self inflicted. There are exceptions, but they are in the minority.
That makes me wonder how this would play out in a world where people don't have bad habits and maintain a healthy lifestyle. Would a virus like this even get a foot hold? What percentage of people would make a difference?

Maybe this is my lotto. I can get gov funding to produce a study.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It hasn't passed the House yet unless I missed something. AOC was threatening to derail the unanimous vote and force all the members to return for a rollcall vote.
You're right, vote is up for today (Friday the 27th) at this point. There are more than AOC threatening a Block. A Republican from …..TN is also going to vote no.

There is one difference in people committing suicide and people dying from Covid-19. Aside from the mentally ill, people committing suicide is a personal choice. Dying from Covid-19 is not a choice.

As to stacking number of people with Covid already in with those who have died, is incorrect in the State of MS. 31% of those who contract the disease are hospitalized, The rest are in quarantine. There are 6 deaths, with 528 confirmed cases. So obviously those who are in the hospital are NOT being counted as dead. Otherwise the death toll would be in the 180 range.

I guess people can use the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory if they want. Now that's a choice.

ETA: As for a bad economy, there have been dozens around the world in just the last century. And all have come back from them. Germany, the USA etc. Will it hurt? Sure. Easy? No. There is one thing and only one thing needed to bring an economy back, a society back. People.

Deal the virus first. Then deal with the economy.

Economies and societies don't work so good without people.
 

jward

passin' thru
We ALREADY have an epidemic of suicide in this country, and I find no hyperbole in his statement or concern. As I've been making mention of in other threads, please consider setting aside the ingrained American reluctance to mind our neighbor's business. Already we are seeing an uptick in the abuse cases, and it's not likely to improve as the stress increases, and access to the usual stress busters decrease. Be willing to pull Jane or Jo aside and intervene- or even better, offer support before the bruises burns and broken bones begin to show up.
All suicides are not equal- some we will almost celebrate, but others will wound us to our marrow, as will watching the stories unfold of broken babies. Old, grizzled, and grey we may be, but we are the safety net the Lord's put into place.
 
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