POL Trump is learning!

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Well, I'm not sure exactly how Trump got conned into supporting Luther Strange for the US Senate seat from Alabama. Trump has made a whole series of bad decisions in the last few months. It now seems to me Trump is getting bad advice, from Kushner and his New York City cabal of globalist stooges among others.
At any rate, this article says that if you hit Trump with a baseball bat enough times you can get his attention. As long as Trump stays in his populist mode, things are good, but when he goes all neocon and globalist banker mode, then he is not.

The link below plays a couple of ad and is slanted as usual, but nobody makes Trump look like a fool without consequences. :D I still say the Trump not removing both Lying Ryan and Mitch the Bitch back in January was a fatal error in judgement and much of Trump's troubles can be laid at the feet of these two RINO TURDS.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...nd-pissed-after-backing-losing-alabama-senate

Trump 'embarrassed and pissed' after backing losing Alabama Senate candidate: report
By Josh Delk - 09/27/17 11:14 AM EDT

President Trump was "embarrassed and pissed" after the candidate he endorsed in Alabama's GOP Senate runoff election lost, fueling a late-night tirade against his staff and GOP leaders, CNN is reporting.

Trump reportedly felt misled by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), who had pressured allies to support Sen. Luther Strange, the GOP establishment-backed candidate in the election who lost to former judge Roy Moore on Tuesday in the race for Attorney General Jeff Sessions's Senate seat.

The president had previously expressed his discomfort with his endorsement, saying at a rally for Strange late last week that he "might have made a mistake."
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Pres Trump needed Luther Strange to vote with him until the election in December......

He only needs a Conservative after that - doesn't really matter who it is and it is likely Moore will win handily.

It is about who can win to get the agenda moving forward.

Don't believe that he is getting bad advice from anyone in particular - people like certain candidates for their own reasons and Pres Trump certainly can make his own mind up - he has had lots of experience playing the Game.

Everyone in the WH indicates that he ultimately makes the final decision and it seems to work......he certainly doesn't look like a fool and most supporters can actually see what he is doing, rather than following what the MSM wants them to think.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Trump could have easily let it be known he didn't want either Lying Ryan or Mitch the Bitch retained in their positions as leaders back in early January of 2017. Trump let it be known he was okay with them, and then Trump let Mitch the Bitch's wife become the transportation secretary or something. Nope, Trump could have had both of them gone and he didn't. And that ignorant mistake has cost Trump dearly since both Lying Ryan and Mitch the Bitch, along with the four RINOS, Mccain, Collins, Graham and Flake, have stabbed Trump so much he looks like a pin cushion.

If Trump is starting to understand how they lied to him, then maybe there is hope. Trump's judicial nominations continue to be excellent, as long as Mitch the Bitch doesn't screw him on the votes.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
Perhaps he should start thinking on his own a bit more, and get away from listening too much to his advisers. Advisers give advice, but it is still up to him to make the final decision, and the the blame or the glory will rest on his shoulders in the end.
 

almost ready

Inactive
Have a totally different take on this, from a very outside view.

Trump was thought by many to have embraced the right, and a rightwing person himself, simply because he expressed respect for the dignity and rights of people on the right. In some ways, such as his religious practice, and shunning alcohol, that is accurate, but from some aspects, it is just more spew from the Concocted New Network.

Trump was active in civil rights back when it could, and often did, damage your business prospects. This has been lost in the mists of time as history is being rewritten by the left. He got that Rosa Parks award because he displayed courage under fire in that arena, not because it was the PC "thing to do".

What I saw happening in the Alabama vote was that Trump admitted his support of Strange was based on reciprocation of Strange's support of him in the 2016 election and in Washington. There emerged, in Alabama, a strong movement to the right of Trump, in support of the former judge.

In other words, Trump is now taking control of the middle of the board, both here and in the NFL protest noise. Any chessplayer knows that is a key to success.

Everything else is noise. I continue to watch this, and see the same movement in Melania Trump's Dr. Seuss incident. A librarian dressed up as a seuss character, and of course, Michelle Obama famously touted Seuss to children. When MT shared some of the same books, that librarian was pushed solidly to the fringe left, and MT took the center of that board, too.

Keep an eye on. The opening moves have been played, and we're into the interesting development of the middle game. Much harder to analyze, so most likely to create confusion except by serious students of the game.

Just my two cents.
 

frazbo

Veteran Member
It's a good thing if Trump is "embarrassed and pissed". No one is perfect and this is one way to reach the goal of being a better person, or in this case a better Prez. He still hasn't gotten rid of the Obama holdovers and that's gonna cost him dearly on down the road. Can't explain why but I just don't like or trust Kushner, never have. McConnell and Ryan...meh...their days are numbered from their own home states anyway...I'm bettin' on that.
 

almost ready

Inactive
That "Trump the all knowing and all seeing" schtick is wearing kinda thin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=84&v=xuFSWcNe8hY

Johnny Carson as Carnac - R/T 03:03

Sorry if this offended. Not my intention. Saw a series of events where Trump moved to the center and claimed it. This was, to me, a watershed event, where a powerful group (enough to get their man nominated) emerged to his right. This is, in my opinion, a positive outcome towards steadying the ship of state. :rdog::hdbng:

He's swimming towards the middle, alright, after DNC and their team portrayed him as the new Hitler. That there is a solid, apparently genuine, right emerging again, after the destruction of the Tea Party, is reason to cheer! They denied the Ron Paul supporters even a voice at the Repuke convention. Smears and outright lies by the MSM & SPLC, set up a faked Straw Men "dangerous right" and beat them down to the cheers of the ignorant. The IRS did their part by making sure the right couldn't organize any fundraising to tell their side of the story.


Hillary's big complaint about Trump was that he gave the right a voice. He broke through that firewall of silence and acknowledged the presence of people, not monsters, on that side of the political spectrum.


Will try to do a better narrative exposition next time. Needing to explain what to me is so clear, means I didn't do a good job the first time finding the common ground. Maybe because of the thousands of chess games and hours of masters' games study I did in my ill-spent youth. Bad narrative choice. Too small a sample of readers have been there, done that. Middle game tactics, meh.

Thanks for reading it, Dozdoats, and your frank opinion.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Again Doug, Trump has ZERO CONTROL over congress. He could have “let be known” anything he wanted, and it would have been as effective as a fart in a whirlwind. You should really try and re-ground yourself emotionally. I think you stripped a gear recently.

JMHO
 

Baloo

Veteran Member
It's a good thing if Trump is "embarrassed and pissed". No one is perfect and this is one way to reach the goal of being a better person, or in this case a better Prez. He still hasn't gotten rid of the Obama holdovers and that's gonna cost him dearly on down the road. Can't explain why but I just don't like or trust Kushner, never have. McConnell and Ryan...meh...their days are numbered from their own home states anyway...I'm bettin' on that.

There are about 2700 Obama appointees left that could have been removed DAY 1. This is a sore spot for many people-Coulter and Ingraham talk this point all the time.
But what is worse is the 1000 people he has put in -- 90 % are DEMS and GOPe. Bannon admitted these hires as being the admin's "biggest mistake" on 60 minutes. He also said Jared and McConnell are responsible for that.

As an example, a former Boehner staffer is in charge of White House hires. http://www.conservativehq.com/artic...p-seizes-most-important-job-trump-white-house

IMHO what is going on is Trump is a CEO. As such he delegates. No CEO micromanages. The problem is he delegated hiring to the swamp. Until he stops hiring DEMS/GOPe and removes the ones he put in things will only get worse.

I think the way to show Trump he made a mistake is to shine sunlight on it--as Coulter and Bannon and Ingraham are doing. And make a big deal when the swamp hires screw up--like recommending support for Strange. Once Trump gets upset he may make a change.

The one bright spot is judges. Trump delegated that to the Federalist Society and they are picking kick-ass judges.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Have a totally different take on this, from a very outside view.

Trump was thought by many to have embraced the right, and a rightwing person himself, simply because he expressed respect for the dignity and rights of people on the right. In some ways, such as his religious practice, and shunning alcohol, that is accurate, but from some aspects, it is just more spew from the Concocted New Network.

Trump was active in civil rights back when it could, and often did, damage your business prospects. This has been lost in the mists of time as history is being rewritten by the left. He got that Rosa Parks award because he displayed courage under fire in that arena, not because it was the PC "thing to do".

What I saw happening in the Alabama vote was that Trump admitted his support of Strange was based on reciprocation of Strange's support of him in the 2016 election and in Washington. There emerged, in Alabama, a strong movement to the right of Trump, in support of the former judge.

In other words, Trump is now taking control of the middle of the board, both here and in the NFL protest noise. Any chessplayer knows that is a key to success.

Everything else is noise. I continue to watch this, and see the same movement in Melania Trump's Dr. Seuss incident. A librarian dressed up as a seuss character, and of course, Michelle Obama famously touted Seuss to children. When MT shared some of the same books, that librarian was pushed solidly to the fringe left, and MT took the center of that board, too.

Keep an eye on. The opening moves have been played, and we're into the interesting development of the middle game. Much harder to analyze, so most likely to create confusion except by serious students of the game.

Just my two cents.

Excellent points. Trump is not a party animal or rigid ideologue. Thinking outside the box? He LIVES outside the box. When he turned Mar A Lago into a club, he admitted blacks and Jews as members and he was SUED and brought to court by other club owners. They never let Jews or blacks join those exclusive clubs. Trump did, and not because it got him any points.

Racism of any kind and Trump have no point of contact.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Thanks for reading it, Dozdoats, and your frank opinion.

Not a problem with you, AR, just the rabid EverTrumper attitudes that DJT is wise beyond human capability and all knowing in all realms including dirty DeeCee politics. DJT puts his pants on one leg at the time like every other man, as hard as it is for some to realize.

Baloo hit my first and biggest sore spot above, I have ranted about the Plum Book and the Trump Administration's apparent lack of interest in getting THEIR people in place in the offices that DJT DOES have direct fire and hire capacity over ever since the election.

President Trump would be better served by empty desks than by the Obama holdovers who still fill those jobs. If DJT wants his agenda moved forward he needs to get with it on the FIRING and hiring he CAN do on his own hook. It should have been taken care of in all the time they wasted futzing around with Chris Christy on the transition team.
 

Be Well

may all be well
That "Trump the all knowing and all seeing" schtick is wearing kinda thin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=84&v=xuFSWcNe8hY

Johnny Carson as Carnac - R/T 03:03

Many people here on TB and elsewhere, are seriously underestimating Trump.

"This admin does not give play by play of what they're doing. They report what's been DONE."

Also, Trump initially hired or appointed people who were GOPe etc as noted above. Primarily, from my understanding, because he had no people of his own who knew how to run the political/government machinery. That phase is now over.
 

Baloo

Veteran Member
Many people here on TB and elsewhere, are seriously underestimating Trump.

"This admin does not give play by play of what they're doing. They report what's been DONE."

Also, Trump initially hired or appointed people who were GOPe etc as noted above. Primarily, from my understanding, because he had no people of his own who knew how to run the political/government machinery. That phase is now over.

The former statement is NOT true. For example, Heritage had an army of people ready to go--they were tossed out when the GOPe took over. Likewise, highly qualified Trump supporters (many who served in other administrations) were promised spots and were ready to go only to be screwed over.

With respect to your latter comment, how can you say "that phase is over"? The people doing the hiring, like DeSteffano, have not changed. I hope this is true.
However, I diligently monitor appointments and have many contacts and I have NOT heard this from any of them. If I do I will be pleasantly pleased and will let you know!
Let's keep hoping!
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Excellent points. Trump is not a party animal or rigid ideologue. Thinking outside the box? He LIVES outside the box. When he turned Mar A Lago into a club, he admitted blacks and Jews as members and he was SUED and brought to court by other club owners. They never let Jews or blacks join those exclusive clubs. Trump did, and not because it got him any points.

Racism of any kind and Trump have no point of contact.


But but but - HE’S A NAAAAAAAZI!!!!!!
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
The former statement is NOT true. For example, Heritage had an army of people ready to go--they were tossed out when the GOPe took over. Likewise, highly qualified Trump supporters (many who served in other administrations) were promised spots and were ready to go only to be screwed over.

With respect to your latter comment, how can you say "that phase is over"? The people doing the hiring, like DeSteffano, have not changed. I hope this is true.
However, I diligently monitor appointments and have many contacts and I have NOT heard this from any of them. If I do I will be pleasantly pleased and will let you know!
Let's keep hoping!

She says it because she's a trump cheerleader and her statements are not based in fact, but simply a regurgitation of the "guys it's 3-d chess, you're just not smart enough to understand...."
 

Baloo

Veteran Member
She says it because she's a trump cheerleader and her statements are not based in fact, but simply a regurgitation of the "guys it's 3-d chess, you're just not smart enough to understand...."

I am a Trump cheerleader but cold hard reality has hit me. People = Policy and his People are DEMS/GOPe.

The most damning example is Rosenstein--Deputy AG appointed by Trump.
Every person with a pulse in DC knows he is the definition of the swamp -- and he is friends with Mueller. Only a GOPe/DEM would have nominated him for any position in Govt-let alone a Trump swamp-draining admin.

This one decision could lead to Trump's downfall-as Rosenstein appointed a Special Counsel (which only a DEM/GOPe who hated Trump would do-heck even Dershowitz a lifelong DEM has said there was NO legal ground to support such an appointment). And who did Rosenstein pick-his buddy and Obama appointee and swamp dweller Never Trumper Mueller. Yep, and who has Mueller hired--all DEMS basically.

While I pray this ends ok, if it doesn't its Trump's fault 100% for appointing his enemies.

Update: Just saw this--another GOPe appointment that is great. LOL. Dina Habib Powell--Deputy National Security Advisor. Huma's friend and Clinton Foundation partner.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ation-for-goldman-sachs-globalist-initiative/

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/...ed-palestinian-extremist-conspiracy-theorist/

And how did she get this job? Jared. https://stonecoldtruth.com/who-is-dina-habib-powell-and-why-you-should-care/ Bannon was right again.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Gang, if on January 5th, when the Republicans voted to keep Mitch the Bitch and Lying Ryan in their leadership positions, Trump made it clear he didn't want either of them retained, well they would have been voted down. After all, Trump was coming in after an historic victory over the evil witch Hellary and had a full head of steam. So no, all the misery both Mitch the Bitch and Lying Ryan have caused Trump is on him. Further, he has allowed a horde of Obamabots and Clintonistas to remain in place, sabotaging his agenda. Again, that is on Trump. Trump would have been much, much more effective if he had gotten rid of his enemies back in January.

Besides, any new CEO coming in gets a clean sweep of the broom if he wants it. Trump didn't and he has paid the price in chaos.
 

curlysue

Tomorrow will come
What President Trump is pissed about is the back stories on Strange he was NOT told about! If he would have won, the dirty laundry would have hurt like a ton of bricks. McConnell and Ryan both knew the stories.
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
What President Trump is pissed about is the back stories on Strange he was NOT told about! If he would have won, the dirty laundry would have hurt like a ton of bricks. McConnell and Ryan both knew the stories.
What stories?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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There’s more to the job than flipping burgers after all. How fast would YOU learn it? (You seem to already have a general reading comprehension issue.)
 

curlysue

Tomorrow will come
What stories?

1st, how Strange got his appointment
2nd, who was able to buy as "forclosed house" a whole year before it was foreclosed on.
3rd, how was she able to buy a "foreclosed" $450K house for $30K
Ect.... The political back stories are Clintonesk...Russia would never be spoken of again.
The citizens of Alabama need to be thanked for the dodged bullit.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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First, evidently you are among those people that think Trump can dictate who serves in congress. Are you even an American? Because your understanding of our political system is lacking.

As to the rest of the cabinet, I have no opinion. Since you’re a NeverTrumper, I’d expect you to blast him.
 

Now-Later

Veteran Member
First, evidently you are among those people that think Trump can dictate who serves in congress. Are you even an American? Because your understanding of our political system is lacking.

As to the rest of the cabinet, I have no opinion. Since you’re a NeverTrumper, I’d expect you to blast him.

I am for Trump 100% but some of his decisions are questionable
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I wonder whether Bannon is really going to work to "primary" the lead GOPe "problem children" or leave that threat in idle mode?
 

Be Well

may all be well
What stories?

Copying the below from FR, Strange apparently covered for the very corrupt governor, for starters. I know I saw more there but can't find it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3587856/posts?page=12#12
Alabama has a chance to make history by tossing Mitch’s Stooge Strange. Puting in a Constitution loving 10 Commandment Judge, Dems HATE! Nolte: The Super Trump — Roy Moore Is Making First Amendment Great Again
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...moore-making-first-amendment-great-again/amp/

Luther Strange ignores Roy Moore question on appointment by Bentley: “We both know it is highly improper to accept gifts or favors from someone you’re investigating,” Moore told Strange. Bently appointed Strange as interium US Senator.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/09/moore_challenges_strange_to_ex.html

EXCLUSIVE: The complete Bentley-Mason affair audio recordings and transcripts:

http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/complete-bentley-mason-affair-audio-transcripts/

This is what Big Luther covered up.

Strange is dirty.

Luther Strange Stands to Profit from Troubled EB-5 Visa Program: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ds-to-profit-from-troubled-eb-5-visa-program/

“Tuscaloosa millionaire developer files Ethics Complaint against Luther Strange”

http://www.alreporter.com/2017/08/1...eloper-files-ethics-complaint-luther-strange/

Alabama has a chance to make history by tossing Mitch’s Stooge Strange. Puting in a Constitution loving 10 Commandment Judge, Dems HATE! Nolte: The Super Trump — Roy Moore Is Making First Amendment Great Again
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...moore-making-first-amendment-great-again/amp/

Luther Strange ignores Roy Moore question on appointment by Bentley: “We both know it is highly improper to accept gifts or favors from someone you’re investigating,” Moore told Strange. Bently appointed Strange as interium US Senator.
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/09/moore_challenges_strange_to_ex.html

EXCLUSIVE: The complete Bentley-Mason affair audio recordings and transcripts:

http://yellowhammernews.com/politics-2/complete-bentley-mason-affair-audio-transcripts/

This is what Big Luther covered up.

Strange is dirty.

Luther Strange Stands to Profit from Troubled EB-5 Visa Program: http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ds-to-profit-from-troubled-eb-5-visa-program/

“Tuscaloosa millionaire developer files Ethics Complaint against Luther Strange”

http://www.alreporter.com/2017/08/1...eloper-files-ethics-complaint-luther-strange/
 

Be Well

may all be well
First, evidently you are among those people that think Trump can dictate who serves in congress. Are you even an American? Because your understanding of our political system is lacking.

As to the rest of the cabinet, I have no opinion. Since you’re a NeverTrumper, I’d expect you to blast him.

AFAIC, people should be thankful each and every day that Hitlery is not prez.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are elected by the members of the Senate and the House......

it has nothing to do with the voters of the USA.

and it has nothing to do with Pres Trump - he can make his views known, but until another potential Speaker comes along who wants the job (and non-confidence?), then they are stuck with the present Speakers.
 
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