POL TRUMP: Good or Bad for America

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Coco82919

Veteran Member
I just watched Trumps speech in Alabama yesterday. He had a lot of good things to say. The crowd seemed to love him. Most of us are tired of political correctness and it is good to see someone calling it as he sees it. He seems to be genuinely disgusted with where America stands now in all aspects of world affairs. I believe he really wants to fix America. He has been good for America because he is getting the conversations started. However, it appears to me that he just wants to make things happen. Is he another dictator in the making? Here in America we have the constitution and the rule of law. As much as we want to snap our fingers and get things done, there is a process. Without that process then we are no longer a just, lawful or exceptional country. I counted how many times he said the word I in his 54 minute speech. I got 229 times. Not as bad as I thought it would be. You know who else constantly says I in his speech's. He has quite a few personality traits that are similar to Obama. Now if you count his I's you may come up with a slightly different number. I counted his I's. I've I'm but not his many me and mine's. I believe he would be a dangerous president. He likes to bully and intimidate. I believe he would lead us right into WW 3. I think we are headed this way anyway and only the smartest most resourceful president will prevent it. I don't know who that would be but think Ted Cruz has the best chance. He will follow the rule of law and the constitution. Maybe I am wrong, he will probably never be given the chance. We need to look very carefully at who we back and elect. This next president will determine our country's course for a long time to come. Please when you respond to this keep it respectful, no personal attacks, no cursing, just honest conversation.:usfl:
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Keep it respectul? Like some of what you were saying anout those of us supporting Trump? That kind of respectful? Cuz that pretty much wasn't (which is why you got your ass handed to you on that thread.)

And could you please start inserting paragraph breaks? I'd really appreciate it. Much easier to read with them than without them.
 
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Coco82919

Veteran Member
Yes keep it respectful. It is fun to send out zingers but lets keep this one respectful and have a real conversation.
 
Satanta

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Honest conversation?

Both sides hate him. The Media hates him. That's good enough for me.

He is a billionairre. If the dollar collapses he knows his wealth is not going to be worth toilet paper.

Crus is ok but him voting for the TPP gives me pause.

Otherwise we have the SSDD situation with the rest of the except Sanders.

Pick your poison wisely-you're still going to die but some poisons are slow and really suck.
 
timbo

timbo

Deceased
Not sure of the rules. Define nice?

I don't get how you came to the conclusion that Trump would be a Hitler.

One more thing: How can he tell us what he wants to do if he don't say 'I'?

I guess he could use the royal 'we'.

Was that nice?
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The entire MSM hates him. The entirety of the establishment political structure hates him (BOTH sides of the Uniparty). The candidates hate and fear him, because he can, with a single phrase, back them into a corner that their handlers can't prep them for: speaking a plain answer regarding ANYTHING.

I love him for that. I just hope that, if he gets elected, he'll carry that attitude forward into the round room...
 
Sacajawea

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
With the rule of law, already being broken beyond repair...
and the fact that anyone who gets into politics in the first place, do so because they believe "I" can make a difference...

I just don't see how Trump could make things worse; not as bad as you're afraid he will.

That's not quite enough to prove your point about him being the "next dictator". After all - someone else's slogan was "Yes, we can" - and it wasn't until he was comfortably ensconced before he started saying "I" all the time. You could be right about that being a marker -- but it's simply not enough evidence for me at at this point - a year out from elections, when they'll all be using that pronoun, non-stop.
 
Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Here's my response firm the Trump/Hitler thread in its entirely:


FireDance said:
Is "the thing" that bothers you Trump or something else? I like Trump so far. But there is a niggle in my head that something's not right and that this is way too easy. Or something. But it's not Trump that is beeping. Can't put my finger on it either. Perhaps it's my cynicism.
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By way of answer as to why this is "too easy", allow me to repost a quote from a spectator at the Trump rally last night:

"This isn't about Republicans, it isn't about Democrats, this is a movement of citizens across America tired of the BS," he said.


And now you have your answer. And you KNOW this guy is spot-on.



IF Trump ends up being a Hitler, and IF he gets into power, it's the worthless, corrupt politiwhores, their "handlers", lobbyists, and the MSM that will have made his rise inevitable.


INEVITABLE
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Be Well

Be Well

may all be well
Personality traits similar to 0bunghole, eh?

Could you please list them? TIA.

Oh, and how about habits and character traits, too; that's a bit different than personality, but if you think their character and habits or behavior are similar too, please list the similarities.
 
Laurane

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
The definition of a BULLY as Coco says, is someone who wants to intimidate - but he left off the best part.......intimidate who???

If Trump can intimidate a country, corporation, CEO, wrong-headed politician who is taking advantage of the USA and damaging its economy - I say "Bully On, Donald".....make it right.

Rather than a weak-minded, smarmy-mouthed, traitorous politician or its controllers/lobbyists, he knows what needs to be done (partly, because even he probably doesn't know how much they all have ruined things for the average citizen).

And only the Queen uses the Royal Plural, so I,I,I,I will have to do for now.......
 
Be Well

Be Well

may all be well
If you don't reply to my request for details of how Trump and 0unghole are similar, then you're a nasty little idiot.
 
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momof23goats

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Be Well said:
If you don't reply to my request for details of how Trump and 0unghole are similar, then you're a nasty little idiot.
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well said BeWell !

I am voting for Trump, plain and simple, he is right about the illegals, he is right on the middle east, he is the best one there is running, so he gets my vote, besides every one hates him......
 
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shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There's other reasons to not be excited about Trump, but that he might want to be a dictator
is not atop the list.

Obama, and Hitlery if she got in, from day one of taking their oath of office "to support and
defend the Constitution" are all about, non-stop 24/7, any which way they can work around,
dilute and erode the Constitution and consolidate their power. They should be hung as traitors.

You really think Trump would be, could be, worse than those power lusting Hitler wanna-be's?!?

From the Hitler thread, I'd also said...

If Trump would really be, as our President, a true conservative that would vigorously turn back
the liberal tide & restore our freedoms and liberties, he will never be allowed to survive to do so.

I'm not so sure that he is genuine, but am enjoying, at this stage, seeing the horror he is creating
amongst the establishment RINO's and demoncrats and media as he exposes some of the real issues
and bold (common sense, non PC) solutions so long overdue that RINO's have failed to deliver on.

Also, it's encouraging to all conservatives to see and hear how many others share their angst with
the status quo and rejection of the typical establishment RINO alternatives that are democrat-light.

Love to see some of the republican candidates try to outdo Trump in being so bold and practical, not
that I'd believe their conversion was genuine, but it would have the real issues and real solutions up
front more often, which helps swell our ranks, and embolden even more then, demanding it, too.

- Shane
 
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Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Wise Owl said:
You mean we have open season on the hypocrite/troll?

Just looking for clarification.
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You know, it would go a lot easier for Coco (the perpetual lurker) if he/she had posted something like:

"I apologize for offending so many people on the other thread. I meant no slight to anyone, but I really dislike Trump and fear him. I want to start this thread in order to rationally discuss the pros and cons of having him both in the race, as well as if he gets elected. Again, my apologies for anyone I offended earlier."

But of course, Coco didn't say any of that...
 
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Mixin

Veteran Member
Coco82919: it's really hard to pitch your ideas without saying I, etc. Notice how, in your little one+ minute paragraph, you said "I" eleven times?

I do think Trump is good for the US and he has our country's best interests in his plans.

He seems to truly love his family and for him to do something so bad as what some people think he plans to do would hurt them deeply (unless they are equally evil).

Sorry, but I'm just not feeling all the negative stuff that some are. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see how it all shakes out.
 
flying screwdriver

flying screwdriver

Veteran Member
The biggest criticism that Coco seems to make is his objection of his use of the word "I" in his speech as opposed to....what...."We"???

The issue should be more if whether we think the one we vote for (the aforementioned 'I') will be honest with us about their idea for the country and their plans to address the problems with the country. On that one count Obama failed miserably, and everyone that we elected to stop Obama likewise failed miserably.
So it did not matter what 'We' wanted, 'We' didn't get it.

Obama was very politically correct, said what he thought people wanted to hear, and his use of the word "I" is probably only due to his arrogance in knowing he was lying to us the entire time. If he thought about it he probably would have dropped it. Coco should have pointed this out to him, and he would have never said it again I'm sure.

Unlike Obama, Trump has no political correctness, and uses no eloquent speaking skills to impress the 'we', and he makes no illusions that it has to be "I" that gets this done. He only needs "we" to vote for "I". And he makes that clear.

'We' can do only two things: VOTE or REVOLT. We need to vote an "I" that will do our bidding or otherwise "we" will be left with option #2 to get things right.

"I" (this time ME) and it seems "We" see someone (an "I") that is not trying to please all of the "We" for once, but instead stating what he (the "I") intends to do for the "we" that still care about saving our country and returning it to its former greatness. Trump truly means "I" as he knows not all of "we" want what he offers, he knows there are "Them" that want to destroy this country. No illusions of inclusiveness, join him or stand out of the way, for when 'We' elect him, "I" will get these things done no matter what "Them" think of his 'incorrectness'.

If Coco has no other complaint to focus on beyond Trump's continued insistence that it is him ("I") that will get these things done, then Coco should re-evaluate his consideration of Trump as the one that can get done what "We" want.

If there is nothing else besides criticism of his strong character and unabashed political incorrectness, or you continue to bash Trump without providing something tangible other than an offense at not being included on his action team, then I would have to agree with Be Well on her analysis of you.

At that point you are no longer one of "we" and become one of......."Them".
 
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Old Reliable

Veteran Member
Both sides hate him. The Media hates him. That's good enough for me also.




"Socialism turns men into thieves and women into prostitutes"
- Thatcher
 
dstraito

dstraito

TB Fanatic
When I read the title: TRUMP: Good or Bad for America

My first thought was is what we have had for decades good or bad for America. What we have is just NOT working so I'm inclined to go with a maverick. Look what happened when we elected an actor who used to be a Demoncrat.
 
cornanj

cornanj

Senior Member
This could be the last election. Whoever wins in 2016 very well might the be dictator in the office. I'd choose Trump over Hitlery and Obama. I think Obama is trying to keep us afloat until just before the election. The he'll want all hell to break loose so he can stay in office and be king. As much as I'm enjoying watching Trump and at times do get excited at his words, I DON'T TRUST ANY OF THEM.

But, I'd still prefer Trump.
 
flying screwdriver

flying screwdriver

Veteran Member
If it all goes to hell, and the President has to declare martial law and become a dictator, then this is the LAST opportunity we have to choose the dictator we would prefer. Hillary? Bush? Rubio? Lindsey, Christie, Paul? SAUNDERS? BIDEN? I say HELL NO.

Trump the dictator it is for me! All Hail The Donald!
 
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ejagno

Veteran Member
DazedandConfused said:
I hope Trump makes it to the WH . He may wind up screwing us over but I bet he wont lie about it first.
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Just this week we were all discussing this very thing and how Trump reminds us so much of our former Governor Edwin Edwards. Mr. Edwards was indicted and served in prison for extortion. The funny part was that he told everyone exactly what he was going to do and who was going to get screwed and he did it with no remorse because it benefited the "working class". He served his entire 4 terms doing exactly what he said he was going to do much to the dismay of the other seasoned politicians. If Obama had pardoned him I would bet money that Louisiana voters would reelect him in the next election. People just want the damned truth.,
 
Be Well

Be Well

may all be well
dstraito said:
When I read the title: TRUMP: Good or Bad for America

My first thought was is what we have had for decades good or bad for America. What we have is just NOT working so I'm inclined to go with a maverick. Look what happened when we elected an actor who used to be a Demoncrat.
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Send that to the Trump campaign.
 
Txkstew

Txkstew

Veteran Member
I find all who are running somewhat disgusting. Trump included. No, really disgusting. However, right now, Trump has my vote. If he's a big phony, it doesn't matter, we're going to have to storm Washington anyhow. If he'll do anything he's saying, I'll back him. Does that make any sense? I don't know. This is all so F'ed up. WTF.....
 
bad_karma00

bad_karma00

Underachiever
Bottom Line: what we have now isn't working for anyone but a few. It's got to change, period.

Trump is a pure capitalist. If the country does well, he does well. His children who will be running his businesses will prosper if he makes the country prosper. If he's got a hidden agenda it's to make money, and doing that creates jobs. He wants jobs brought home and an end to this BS of allowing foreign workers on our soil because they can work for less through some kind of legal shenanigans.

He wants the borders secure so that our country is secure and he's tired of our tax money supporting illegals.

AND ON TOP OF THAT anyone, and I mean just about anyone, who can upset/scare/piss off/send into panic mode BOTH sides of the CONgress? Is okay with me. I haven't voted for anyone in a good while that hasn't turned out to be a liar, so if Trump is lying it will just be business as usual for me, lol.

I see a bunch of political elitists who think they are better than everyone else scurrying to correct this new paradigm they're now faced with and that alone is worth it, just watching that circus. If nothing else, Trump is absolutely killing political correctness. Again, that alone might be worth it.

So long as he keeps on like he's doing now, I'm pretty sure that he'll be the next Prez.

But I've been wrong before, so there's that, :D


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Trainman-2

Trainman-2

Membership Revoked
I believe that if Trump makes it to the White House he will "rise to the occasion", tone down his rhetoric, and do a great job.


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rlm1966

Veteran Member
Who Own's Ted Cruz

One of the things that makes Trump stand out above the other candidates is the simple fact that no one owns him as he doesn't have a super pac, doesn't accept large donations and is doing this intentionally on his own dime so that he isn't beholding to anyone. Also he has made it clear that if/when the time comes he is more than willing to use his own funds to run his campaign. Also another thing to consider is the amount of money he has lost because of this campaign because of the stands he has taken.

With all that being said let's take a look at where big chunks of Cruz's funds are coming from and if they are large enough that those that made them would have reason to expect something in return if Cruz were to win the golden ticket and get in the WH

Farris and Dan Wilks $15,000,000 - that is 15 million dollars between the 2 of them
Robert Mercer $11,000,000 - that is 11 million dollars alone
Toby Neugebauer $10,000,000 - that is 10 million dollars

So between these 4 individuals they have personally put up $31,000,000 million dollars. Now tell me of people normally hand out that kind of cash without expecting something in return. If you believe that is the case I have a bridge in NY and some great land in south florida that I can get you a real good deal on.

Does this mean that Ted is corrupt, no. But it does mean that he owes some people some really big favors in the world of politics that means that it is quite possible if not probable that at some point when there is a choice between doing the right thing for many or the thing that these individuals want Ted will have to face a serious moral choice that most before him have failed at.

I believe that most people while they may have good intentions are often swayed to make piss poor choices because of money and I don't believe that Teddy will be an exception. Perhaps next we should look at his career because I don't know myself if he has ever done anything that would show that he understands how to create jobs and how the average citizen lives or not.

Stay tuned for more.....
 
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Dr. G

Senior Member
I had 2 separate patients in the last 3 weeks, both Palm Beach residents who have had business dealing with Trump, both respect him, ( Trump), tell me that Trump has inside information from his contacts,(info that we would never have),and the realization was that the entire system is nearing collapse. Donald motives are entirely selfish, preservation of all he has/controls. That's not necessarily bad...as the old saying goes..." what good for GM is good for the country", Or what good for Trump is good for the country. Basically he wins and we go along for the ride and win too...a classic win/win situation.

The bonus is what he is doing to the MSM and the estabishment political buttholes.
 
Be Well

Be Well

may all be well
Do you have any information about those donors? I'd try searching but I really have no time today and shouldn't even be checking news on TB2.

I couldn't control my obsession and did a search. All I have time for is posting links, please no infraction!!!

As far as: Farris and Dan Wilks : Basically they're fracking guys. From TX, one is a pastor, they donate a lot to pro life groups and other like organizations.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Farris+and+Dan+Wilks+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

http://www.texasmonthly.com/list/telling-fortunes/nos-40-and-41-dan-wilks-and-farris-wilks/


Meet the Billionaire Brothers You Never Heard of Who Fund the Religious Right
http://prospect.org/article/meet-billionaire-brothers-you-never-heard-who-fund-religious-right


First on CNN: Billionaire brothers give Cruz super PAC $15 million
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/25/politics/ted-cruz-wilks-brothers/
 
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rlm1966

Veteran Member
Be Well said:
Do you have any information about those donors? I'd try searching but I really have no time today and shouldn't even be checking news on TB2.
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These three were from just one article as I was just curios about his big donors. The article is here
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/25/politics/ted-cruz-wilks-brothers/

The brothers sold a business and became billionaires, number two is a hedge fund guy and the last is a friend of Ted's that is some sort of investment guru.
 
ted

ted

Veteran Member
My thoughts go this way; Is Trump an habitual liar? I don't think so as I don't think he would have been able to amass a bit of money to play with if he was. The rest? If their mouths are open they are lieing, end of story.
 
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