OT/MISC Three Civil War cannons pulled from South Carolina river

Housecarl

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/29/us/south-carolina-civil-war-cannons-pee-dee/index.html

Three Civil War cannons pulled from South Carolina river

By Phil Gast, CNN
Updated 9:12 AM ET, Wed September 30, 2015 | Video Source: CNN

CNN)—Salvors who picked over a Civil War gunboat probably thought the cannons were with the rest of the wreckage in a South Carolina river.

Instead, three mighty artillery pieces belonging to the CSS Pee Dee were back upstream. The guns had been thrown overboard by the Confederate crew, which didn't want them to fall into enemy hands, before they set the boat on fire.

For 150 years, the cannons were burrowed in sand and mud that formed protective cocoons.

That isolation ended Tuesday when a team of University of South Carolina archaeologists used heavy equipment to raise 35,000 pounds of iron weaponry from the Pee Dee River.

They are headed to a lab for a couple years of conservation and, eventually, display at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs building in nearby Florence.

Researchers marvel at their condition. Spared more corrosive effects if they had rested in saltwater, the cannons are in "fabulous" shape, said state archaeologist Jonathan Leader.

Foundry marks and stamps made by inspectors are clearly legible.


A 6.4-inch Brooke rifled cannon that was cast in Selma, Alabama, in 1863, is brought to the shore from the Pee Dee River in South Carolina.

A 6.4-inch Brooke rifled cannon that was cast in Selma, Alabama, in 1863, is brought to the shore from the Pee Dee River in South Carolina.

"This stuff looks like it was the day that it was put on," said Leader.

The gunboat, which had been designed to patrol waterways and perhaps seize Northern merchant vessels on the open sea, had been involved in only one significant combat action -- upstream at Cheraw, South Carolina, roughly 100 miles from the Atlantic. There's some debate over whether it opened fire.

'Seeing eye dogs' help recover ironclad

The fate of the CSS Pee Dee, which Leader termed "fast, powerful and deadly," is similar to that of many other Confederate vessels in the waning months of the Civil War. Crews scuttled or set them on fire rather than allow approaching Yankee troops to get them. "It never fulfilled its promise," he said.

The CSS Pee Dee's 90-man crew in March 1865 heaved the three cannons overboard at its mooring and torched the vessel.

A 9-inch Dahlgren cannon, which had been recovered by the South from a sunken Union vessel, and two Brooke rifled cannons manufactured in Selma, Alabama, were "premier naval weapons of the Civil War," said underwater archaeologist James Spirek.

They were mounted on carriages that could pivot 180 degrees "for a prodigious arc of fire," officials said.

"The Dahlgren shot a round ball that would be fused that would blow up in five, 10 or 15 seconds. Those things would move," said Spirek, who works for the university's South Carolina Institute of Archaeology and Anthropology.

Interestingly, all three guns were loaded when they were jettisoned by the crew. The Brooke rifles had clusters of smaller shot that would have been deadly in close range against infantry or sailors trying to board a ship.

The discovery of the cannons a few years ago also brought to life the history of the Confederate naval yard at Mars Bluff.


This 9-inch Dahlgren gun was smoothbore and weighs about 9,000 pounds. It was taken from the Union's USS Southfield, which had been rammed by another Rebel ship.

This 9-inch Dahlgren gun was smoothbore and weighs about 9,000 pounds. It was taken from the Union's USS Southfield, which had been rammed by another Rebel ship.

"It is one of the farthest (shipyards) inland," at nearly 100 miles, said Leader. "It was at the nexus of railroads and a lumber yard. It had an artisan group ... It was a perfect mix of resources to get the job done. They built five boats."

No contemporary photographs or drawings of the vessel survive, and records disagree even on the Pee Dee's length. It may have been 150 feet long. The two propellers were previously recovered, as were other parts of the boat's machinery.

One of the guns has a bit more corrosion because part of the muzzle was exposed to air when the river would go low.

The three are expected to arrive Wednesday at Clemson University's Warren Lasch Conservation Center in North Charleston, home to the H.L Hunley, the first submarine to sink an enemy ship.

Stephanie Crette, director of the lab, said the conservation is expected to take about two years, as opposed to six years for cannons recovered from the famous Confederate raider CSS Alabama off Cherbourg, France. That's because items found in a marine environment typically have encrusted sediment, known as concretion.

Experts will determine what solution will be needed to clean and prepare the guns for display. "They are going to be kept in freshwater the entire time," said Crette.

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Dozdoats

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Photos at the link below... on seeing this thread title, I was hoping there would be a 'Selma gun' that had been recovered.
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http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-2331

Selma Ordnance and Naval Foundry

Herbert J. "Jim" Lewis, Birmingham, Alabama

The Selma Ordnance and Naval Foundry, also known as the Selma Naval Foundry and Ironworks and the Selma Arsenal

Selma Naval Foundry
and Gun Works, was a leading manufacturing center for the South during the Civil War. The facility, located on the Alabama River in Dallas County, produced finished war materials for the Confederate armed forces from pig-iron ingots from the state's blast furnaces. At its peak around 1863-64, this manufacturing center employed as many as 10,000 workers in approximately 100 buildings and was second only to the Tredegar Ironworks in Richmond, Virginia, in the production of war materials.
In 1861, Colin J. McRae, a former Mississippi legislator, secured a contract with the Confederate government to cast cannon and erected a foundry at Selma. McRae's foundry joined a large number of private enterprises that were producing items such as shovels, uniforms, swords, and buttons. Selma's manufacturing center received another major addition in 1862, when Gen. Josiah Gorgas, chief of the Confederate Bureau of Ordnance, moved the former Federal Arsenal located at Mt. Vernon near Mobile to Selma. This relocation was necessitated by the fall of New Orleans and the increasing vulnerability of Alabama's coast to Union naval forces. McRae sold the foundry to the government for $450,000 when he left for Europe in 1863 to serve as a Confederate purchasing agent. The government then appointed Commander Catesby ap Roger Jones to supervise the production of cannon for coastal defense and naval bombardment. Under Jones, the Selma foundry became the only site within the Lower South capable of manufacturing the Brooke rifle for the Confederate Navy as well as other large-caliber artillery. The most common pieces produced at Selma were the 6.4-inch Brooke, which was just over 11 feet and weighed more than 10,000 pounds, and the 7-inch, 12-plus foot piece, weighing as much as 15,000 pounds. Selma is also believed to have cast 11 of the 11-inch Brooke smoothbore guns that weighed in excess of 20,000 pounds, but completed and shipped only eight. (Some of these pieces still exist and grace cemeteries, schoolyards, and museums, including one at the National Civil War Museum in Port Columbus, Georgia, which is fired periodically.)

The equipment at Selma included gun lathes and molds situated in a gun foundry, along with machine shops, a puddling furnace, and blacksmith shops. The facility cast its first cannon, a 7-inch Brooke rifle, in July 1863. Generally, a large gun such as a Brooke took six to seven

Brooke Gun Manufactured in Selma
weeks to complete from initial casting, through the cooling process, and then lathing the bore and cutting the barrel grooves to exact dimensions for accommodating the shot or shell. A lathe that is said to have been recovered from Selma sits on the campus of Auburn University next to Samford Hall. Some sources state that the last Brooke was cast in December 1864, although others place the date at March 21, 1865, just before Selma's fall. In all, more than 70 Brooke guns were manufactured at Selma, most of which were shipped to Mobile; others were mounted on naval vessels or employed in coastal defenses.

Centrally located in the Confederacy hundreds of miles from enemy lines, Selma was the logical choice for a major manufacturing center, which was needed to compliment the output of the Tredegar Ironworks in Richmond. Its location on the Alabama River provided access to Mobile Bay, and it was connected by rail to Alabama's rich iron and coal fields. The Shelby Iron Works, located near Columbiana in Shelby County and founded by Horace Ware in the late 1840s, was one of the major suppliers of iron to Selma's manufacturing complex. Other significant suppliers included the Brierfield Furnace in Bibb County, Tannehill Ironworks in Jefferson County, and the Little Cahaba Iron Works (also known as "Brighthope") in Bibb County, founded by William Phineas Browne in 1848.

By 1864, the government-owned facilities in Selma's vast ordnance complex included the naval foundry, shipyard, army arsenal, and gunpowder works. The complex covered 50 acres along present-day Water Avenue, which runs roughly parallel to the Alabama River, about six blocks from the Edmund Pettus Bridge.

Some 10,000 workers were employed in all of the various components of the complex at its peak around 1864, with 3,000 workers in the foundry and another 3,000 workers in the arsenal. A few of these workers were German craftsmen, but most were women, children, and slaves who were hired out by local landowners. Many mechanics employed in the city prior to the war were either conscripted or had volunteered for service, hampering Selma's productivity during the conflict. This workforce turned out almost every item needed by the Confederate soldiers in the field, from horseshoe nails to gun carriages, and produced approximately half of the Confederacy's cannon and two-thirds of its ammunition during the last two years of the war. The facility was further impeded throughout its existence by inadequate supplies of iron.

CSS Nashville
The facility's shipyard contributed to the South's war effort by building the ironclads CSS Tennessee, CSS Huntsville, and CSS Tuscaloosa and partially outfitting the CSS Nashville. The CSS Tennessee, a 1,273-ton ironclad ram, was the most important of the four, performing with merit, albeit in a losing cause, in the Battle of Mobile Bay. As a testament to the quality of iron plating produced by Selma's naval shipyard, the Tennessee withstood heavy bombardment at close range with no major damage.
The success of the Selma Ordnance and Naval Foundry made it an important target for the Union Army. But because of Selma's location deep within the Confederacy, it was not attacked until the spring of 1865, when Gen. James H. Wilson led a cavalry raid into central Alabama to dismantle the state's military production sites. Before advancing on Selma, Wilson's forces burned the University of Alabama in Tuscaloosa and destroyed a number of Alabama's iron-producing facilities, including those at Oxmoor, Irondale, and Tannehill in Jefferson County and Brighthope and Brierfield in Bibb County. Finally, on April 2, 1865, Wilson's troops captured the city of Selma and completely destroyed all of the city's manufacturing facilities and equipment, including the arsenal, the ordnance center, the gunpowder works, the nitre works, and 11 ironworks and foundries. In the arsenal alone, 15 siege guns, 10 heavy carriages, 10 field pieces, 10 caissons, 63,000 rounds of artillery ammunition, three million feet of lumber, and 10,000 bushels of coal were destroyed.

Just one week after the destruction of Selma, General Robert E. Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia to General Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox Courthouse, Virginia, and the war was effectively over. Selma's manufacturing center had contributed greatly to the South's ability to continue fighting during the last two years of the war. But its destruction insured that arms and ammunition could not be supplied to any guerilla forces that might be encouraged to keep on fighting.

Additional Resources

Armes, Ethel. The Story of Coal and Iron in Alabama. 1910. Reprint, Birmingham, Ala.: Book-Keepers Press, 1972.

Bennett, James R. Tannehill and the Growth of the Alabama Iron Industry. McCalla, Ala.: Alabama Historic Ironworks Commission, 1999.

Jones, James Pickett. Yankee Blitzkrieg: Wilson's Raid through Alabama and Georgia. Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1976.

Stephen, Walter W. "The Brooke Guns from Selma." Alabama Historical Quarterly 20 (Fall 1958): 462-75.

Still, William N. "Selma and the Confederate States Navy." Alabama Review 15 (January 1962): 19-37.

Stockham, Richard J. "Alabama Iron for the Confederacy: The Selma Works." Alabama Review 21 (July 1968): 163-72.

Published: July 6, 2009 | Last updated: June 30, 2015
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
I'll see if I can't find the pics of the three cannon I saw this morning earlier.

They REALLY DO look remarkable for having been under water for a hundred n change years.

Check out the video here of the recovery.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/09/30/civil-war-cannons-south-carolina-river-orig-jnd-pkg.cnn


Multitudinous images:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Pee...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIi-6suOCjyAIVwY8NCh1Lgweq

There are two really cool images at this link I can't bring over because each URL is 60 lines of code....
The foundry marks are remarkably clean (after a quick hit with a wire brush)
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
You could shoot those in that condition... lol. I have an ancestor that had ran a foundry in the town of Easton Mass, back in late 1700's and thru the 1800's that cast cannon. They have always fascinated me.
 

bad_karma00

Underachiever
The fact that they were cast in a Confederate foundry will make their worth go up considerably. There just aren't many of them left as the North tended to destroy them when captured.


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cwr

Senior Member
I'm laughing because I can't tell you how many times I used to swim in the Pee Dee.... There be a lot of things in them rivers and I am not telling.
Very interesting. Thanks for the post on this!
 
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Housecarl

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The fact that they were cast in a Confederate foundry will make their worth go up considerably. There just aren't many of them left as the North tended to destroy them when captured.


Bad

I recall reading someplace that some of the Southern foundries had issues with voids/bubbles with their field guns so there was an added risk of a burst barrel with them. Of course the other problem was that a captured gun on a still contested battlefield very likely couldn't be moved so spiking or bursting them made sense.
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
It's a shame they'll be destroyed for being racist just as soon as some low brow homie figieres out they are from the Confederacy.
 

Trouble

Veteran Member
I'm pretty sure the archaeologists and historians will fight that issue to a reasonable conclusion.
How may battlefields how we lost in the name of progress? Racism is much more of a media issue than progress. I hope you're correct but do not be shocked if they are melted down.
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
I'm laughing because I can't tell you how many times I used to swim in the Pee Dee.... There be a lot of things in them rivers and I am not telling.
Very interesting. Thanks for the post on this!

Yep, my daughters grandfather drowned in the Pee Dee river back in the 60's.
 

cwr

Senior Member
Yep, my daughters grandfather drowned in the Pee Dee river back in the 60's.

Sorry to hear that but I have to ask?

Drowned or done in? There are some rough areas along the Pee Dee. Which is where the song Suwannee River came from. I guess Pee Dee didn't cut it.

I would say there is more then bodies in that river and Lynches river as well.

Though I have to say the cannons are pretty interesting. I will check with my family in Florence to see if they had a write up in the local paper.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
So these were "southern" cannon?

Um, isn't anything "southern" now verboten for discussion by advanced "progressive" beings?

Like the technical marvel that allowed cast iron to be used for artillery if properly restrained in compression by wrought iron rings?

A technical advancement of man's intellect over nature? But of Southern sympathy?

Therefore it doesn't exist?

Well, history is being re-written. Perhaps if it IS a technical advance, wasn't it invented by a black human and copied by Brooke?

Yes, that'll sound good.

Dobbin
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
Sorry to hear that but I have to ask?

Drowned or done in? There are some rough areas along the Pee Dee. Which is where the song Suwannee River came from. I guess Pee Dee didn't cut it.

I would say there is more then bodies in that river and Lynches river as well.

Though I have to say the cannons are pretty interesting. I will check with my family in Florence to see if they had a write up in the local paper.

Well, the story goes he was fishing in a Jon boat and a snake crawled in the boat, he had a heart attack, fell out of the boat and drowned but who knows really :shr:
 
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