ALERT There is just no Silver to be had...

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
Just a heads up...

So, I had been thinking for the last week or so, that I needed to make a trip to my favorite coin shop in the STL area... very large shop, always have whatever you might want to buy, from junk to rounds to Eagles or to just numismatic coins... and you have to understand, this is not just a little pawn shop or corner coin shop... these guys on any given day do 10's of thousands of dollars in jewelry and coins. https://www.scoins.com/ They run auctions for the major stuff often. They normally have 6 or 8 people working behind the counter. They normally stock multiple bags of Junk, or can order it in for a couple day delivery.

I had thought that I should take advantage of the low price Silver right now, and pick up some Silver Eagles. I just sold a car, and had a little cash. So I ran over there, yesterday (Friday) at lunch... walked in (very nice new location) and stood in line for a couple minutes, finally got my chance to talk to a salesman... Told him I wanted to buy some Silver Eagles. He said "well, come over to this counter... I have 68 of them left." I thought he meant, under the counter top. No, what he meant was, that was how many Silver Eagles he had in the store. I asked for a couple of 2012, 2013, 2014 (works great for new grand kid family commemoratives). He said, "Oh, sure I have a few older years left." He looked and said, "Oh, sorry, only have two 2012's left..."

Then I said, what about Junk, I was also maybe thinking about getting some 50 cent pieces... He said, "Oh sorry, that guy over to your right is buying the last of them." And yeah, the manager was stacking up 1/2 dollars, which looked really crappy (stained and tarnished), in front of this guy. So I said "you got nothing?" He said, "we have so much on order, you would not believe it... what is under the counter top is what we have in the store." He did have some of those Canadian commemorative rounds, have various animals on them. I would say he had maybe 100 left. I am sure that was gone by the close of business.

I bought more than half of his Eagles, and some of the Canadian silver... but forget about any junk. My guy said the only way to get it right now, is to call ahead and see what has come in. He said basically that Silver is going out the door as fast as it comes in. The guy behind me was after silver bars, and he left empty handed.

It was just kind of weird... My sales guy said sheepishly they have upped their Eagle mark-up by 40 cents because silver is so low. I kind of thought that was actually pretty neighborly of them! :confused: surprised it was not much more!

Anyway, if you thought you could lay back and pick up some of this cheap silver at your leisure, think again... If you want some now at these prices, you will have to work at it! It sounded like I got lucky to be able to get what I did!


Dan
 

Bullwinkle

Membership Revoked
And the price keeps going down.
So much for the old law of prices decided by supply and demand.
when there is nothing is left, it will be free.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Old joke:

Guy walks into a coin shop and asks how much their silver is going for. Clerk says spot plus $5.00. Customer is outraged, says the coin dealer down the street is selling for spot plus $1.00. Clerk says fine, go buy your silver from that coin dealer. Customer says the other dealer doesn't HAVE any silver to sell. Clerk says that his prices are a lot cheaper too when he has no silver to sell.

There's an economic moral in that joke somewhere ... :)
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Having no silver to sell doesn't always mean they have no silver. I know two dealers that have taken their inventory of silver off the table. They can't afford to sell it at the current price.
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
Having no silver to sell doesn't always mean they have no silver. I know two dealers that have taken their inventory of silver off the table. They can't afford to sell it at the current price.

This is true. Some of these business owners, if they have money/assets to tide them over (ie: A pension from a previous career, spouse income, etc.), they will just hold whatever they have until they can sell it at a profit. What this means is that they will only be able to sell what people are coming into sell to them under spot, so they can turn around and sell it to someone else a bit above spot.

Also, I would suggest trying to find a coin/PM shop that has their own minting business in addition to the shop. These places can buy junk silver that is brought in off the street for a cheaper price, melt it down, and then they strike their own silver coins and bars. This allows them to constantly be able to sell the silver they are getting at any given time at a likely profit, since some of these places likely only buy at 75% spot if not lower (especially for stuff they are going to melt down, like jewelry, beat up silverware, etc.).

SilverTowne here in Indiana still has some silver products available. They are now posting a notice on their website that some of the products might take six weeks to deliver. They are selling their own minted bars at $3.00 over spot for check or wire (free delivery) or $3.55 over spot for using a credit card (free delivery). I went in there and purchased one bar a couple of years back and since I paid cash I got it at the spot price of silver. Not sure if they are doing that anymore. Also, the more bars you buy, you get a lower price. Buy 100 bars and you are only paying $1.30ish over spot.

http://www.silvertowne.com
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Think OUT OF THE BOX you have put yourself into.
Sterling silver flatware maintains a pretty good, close,albeit not equal to .999 silver price.
The value is akin to coin silver.

I had ASKED GOD FOR A SIGN to indicate he really wanted me to do something, and that it wasn't just MY IDEA of a "good work" to feel important, show off, or some other impure motive. I got the distinct reminder of the Bible passage (paraphrased) "You worry about doing what I want, and I will worry about YOUR interests." see footnote for passage

THE SIGN I asked God for (THREE OF THEM) came the same day!
(God not only knows what you NEED, but what your heart just WANTS)

The day before yesterday, at a local community thrift shop, God put a Gorham, "SEA ROSE" 43 piece sterling silver flatware set in my path for $200! The IMPORTANT note is that it was MY MOTHER'S SILVERWARE PATTERN . that I thought must have gone to someone else, or gotten sold to pay bills while she was still alive, but was not in the estate. I had always wanted it. God KNEW that, I never told anyone or even admitted my disappointment to myself.

The LEAST I have seen the asking price for it (used) is $1900 (From one person who probably needs the money quickly) the average (regular) asking price for it is $2400+.

At the same time He put my favorite china, Royal Albert "Old Country Roses", made in England, 6 piece place setting in mint condition, with a USED value of over $110 beside it for only $15.

And if there was any doubt left in my mind, beside that was the Third sign- The EMBLEM of the Women's Army Corps, (Pallas ATHENE) on a set of cufflinks (That she marked DOWN to $2) that I have been searching to find cheap in a thrift shop for 50+ years.

I went ahead and did the "unusual thing" I thought, and now was SURE that God was urging me to do.

I consistently find I can't out-give God.

BibleGateway


Matthew 6
King James Version (KJV)

6 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11 Give us this day our daily bread.

12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

16 Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

17 But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

18 That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek: ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
King James Version (KJV)
 
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fairbanksb

Freedom Isn't Free
I don't see the shortage, but I don't buy locally. I just check 3 on-line retailers I use and all 3 seem to have plenty. Of course you have to pay a premium but if the prognosticators are correct about future prices, what does a couple of bucks over sport matter?
 

Dredge

Veteran Member
Having no silver to sell doesn't always mean they have no silver. I know two dealers that have taken their inventory of silver off the table. They can't afford to sell it at the current price.

The local dealer just raises his premium over spot to where his profit is the spot price does not mean anything
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Know your silver percentages...

Coin silver is .900 (9/10 silver, 1/10 alloy with a hardening metal to prevent wear, usually copper)

Sterling silver is .925 and is sometimes marked "925" instead of "Sterling"

Pure silver is .999 or in some instances .9999 (aka four nines)
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
The local dealer just raises his premium over spot to where his profit is the spot price does not mean anything

recently listened to an mp3 - not absolutely sure but it may have been Clif High's most recent ALTA report - the comments were that as the SPOT price of silver decreased the premium would increase . . . didn't think about it at the time but it makes complete sense now looking at the current spot. I can't believe they've been able to manipulate the price down to this level - completely flies in the face of market & economic fundamentals
 

fishdawg

Membership Revoked
Bought silver eagles @ $21 and tax on Wed. Picked up quarters and dimes too. No shortage. Going back next week...
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
Premiums be getting ugly....and will only get uglier in the next 90 days.

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FYI, this chart is in Euros...
 

Ice Guy

Inactive
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Plenty to be had on EBAY at close to 3.50-4.50 premium, right now at these prices I feel any premium under $4.00 should not be a reason to not buy.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Prices need to be down a couple months for supplies to come in at those lower costs. Then you see the premiums slip. The US mint shutting off supplies in the last half of July did not help one bit. If there is a shortage of COMEX deliveries which are papered over, the spot price may stay low but the physical price will go up. No such thing as a free and fluid market anymore.
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
Having no silver to sell doesn't always mean they have no silver. I know two dealers that have taken their inventory of silver off the table. They can't afford to sell it at the current price.

I overheard the owner of local shop say exactly that to a customer looking to buy. Owner said he could not sell what he had in inventory at such a loss, as he had bought it months ago at a higher price.
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
Bought silver eagles @ $21 and tax on Wed. Picked up quarters and dimes too. No shortage. Going back next week...

Yeah, but spot is 14.90 something... Sure at 6 over spot, you can find it... As someone mentioned, it is available if you don't mind being gouged. My local guy is too legit. Check the link. I got mine for 18 something. How much was there in stock?
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
Having no silver to sell doesn't always mean they have no silver. I know two dealers that have taken their inventory of silver off the table. They can't afford to sell it at the current price.

Because they paid too much for it and did not move it fast enough. I have silver I am not going to sell either, but I am not in the business...
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
I overheard the owner of local shop say exactly that to a customer looking to buy. Owner said he could not sell what he had in inventory at such a loss, as he had bought it months ago at a higher price.

That is a long time honored tradition. Last time silver dropped to $12 most of the "available" silver at $20 per oz. suddenly went into the vault. The US Mint does the same thing; they buy the blanks the year before, say $18 per in 2014. If the price drops more than 20% below that price they stop manufacturing SAE's for 2015.
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
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Plenty to be had on EBAY at close to 3.50-4.50 premium, right now at these prices I feel any premium under $4.00 should not be a reason to not buy.

Agreed... my guy just does not float his price to what the market will bear. EBay does! It is in the definition of EBay by the way... :groucho:
 

fishdawg

Membership Revoked
Dannyboy, the owner went to the back of the store and brought me the number of Eagles I requested. The junk silver was in the case. Wish I could tell you more...
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member

Yeah, but I am not sure I want to roll the dice on delivery... sure don't want to wait six weeks... be like buying .22 from MidWay USA. I have an outstanding order from 18 months ago!

Anyone buying from on line dealers and getting immediate delivery? EBay is a bit different in my mind... that is, someone has a particular item in stock and wants to sell it... Although of course, EBay has dealers who might also be selling on a 'over booked' basis 'eh? :groucho:
 

RCSAR

Veteran Member
I have been following this mint for a few years.
http://qualitysilverbullion.com/product-category/silver-bullion/silver-rounds/

they have this banner now
The demand for Precious Metals is very High, and we thank you for your orders! The demand has caused certain production delays so please be aware that orders may experience delays. Please contact us if you have questions.

They do buy often. They also melt, form, roll and stamp all the rounds in house. Unless it is a collectable they bought and they resell it.
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
Dannyboy, the owner went to the back of the store and brought me the number of Eagles I requested. The junk silver was in the case. Wish I could tell you more...

Well, good for you... I figure that my guy was truly out of stock, but he really moves a lot, and posts his buy and sell prices on line, and sticks to it. He basically makes a couple bucks on each ounce. That's it. From his web page...

2015 American Eagle, Gem: buy/ $16.79 $16.89 sell/ $18.49 $18.29

Just for the heck of it though, I might stop in Monday, and see what is behind the counter... if I do, I will post back. If he suddenly has 68 more ounces behind the counter, then I will be pissed. ;)
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
I have been following this mint for a few years.
http://qualitysilverbullion.com/product-category/silver-bullion/silver-rounds/

they have this banner now
The demand for Precious Metals is very High, and we thank you for your orders! The demand has caused certain production delays so please be aware that orders may experience delays. Please contact us if you have questions.

They do buy often. They also melt, form, roll and stamp all the rounds in house. Unless it is a collectable they bought and they resell it.

That actually sounds legit... my guy did have a 100 ounce bar under the counter, which looked kind of sloppy/junky. Did not ask him about that. Had no mint mark on it that I noticed... Would not be surprised if they had done that melt...
 

Dosadi

Brown Coat
There is the old story

Stores start taking silver at spot value for purchases. Low spot means that ounce buys spot value worth of goods.

Store owner then sells that silver at spot plus premium or fraction of premium and not only gets silver at spot, but makes money selling it above spot plus any profit built into the purchase itself. I. E. A gallon of gas with an eight cent profit margin (most profiteering allows without gov intervention here).

Old find the marble under the cup trick.

Not in the market for silver or gold at this point in time. Will buy any at a price I find attractive, but I'm not playing the shuffle game. Fortunately I don't have to.

Soon (IMHO now) tangibles are the only wealth one will have, if one is capable of holding that from the thieves, both common and goberment.

Major investment is in lead and brass for metals these days. Some steel and other useful metals. Copper parts and various nails / fasteners also.
 

Ordinary Girl

Veteran Member
Yeah, but I am not sure I want to roll the dice on delivery... sure don't want to wait six weeks... be like buying .22 from MidWay USA. I have an outstanding order from 18 months ago!

Anyone buying from on line dealers and getting immediate delivery? EBay is a bit different in my mind... that is, someone has a particular item in stock and wants to sell it... Although of course, EBay has dealers who might also be selling on a 'over booked' basis 'eh? :groucho:

Buy from Apmex on eBay. They deliver to your door in about 5 days. The purchase is covered through eBay and PayPal. You can't lose.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Last time I bought was last fall and I had to wait three weeks for delivery. I wouldn't be surprised if the wait time is going to get a heck of a lot longer for silver. Silver has been in a functional deficit for a few years already and with the mines in trouble demand is going to go way up and physical supply way down. Sooner or later they won't be able to paper it over with the fraudulent Comex naked shorts anymore. And then I believe we'll get to see what a coiled spring looks like when it snaps.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Yep, Ebay still looks like a decent source, and yes, in times like this, you are going to pay a premium. But how insignificant will that premium be by next year this time? It's anybody's bet, but a lot of folks are worried right now.

I sure couldn't afford anything but possibly a little silver at this point, but for recognition value, would rather go with old established U.S. coins. JMHO.
 

Jonas Parker

Hooligan
From APMEX:


1 oz Silver American Eagle (Cull, Damaged, etc.)
As low as $2.69 per coin over spot!
These Silver Eagle coins are available at a lower premium and may be damaged, cleaned, spotted, etc, but are only available while they last! Each coin contains a full ounce of .999 fine U.S. Silver! Read More

Volume Pricing
Quantity Check/Wire CC/PayPal
Quantity:
1 - 19 $18.48 $19.22
20 - 99 $18.18 $18.91
100 - 499 $17.78 $18.49
500 + $17.48 $18.18
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Having no silver to sell doesn't always mean they have no silver. I know two dealers that have taken their inventory of silver off the table. They can't afford to sell it at the current price.

You can get as much as you want where I work, even 100 oz bars... No shortage here.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
From my coin dealer's facebook page: Breaking news: The Royal Canadian Mint just announced that they are going on allocation for 1oz Gold Mapleleaf coins. At present the delay is only a week, but this development is unprecedented, I believe.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Not to mention that it is pretty rare for bullion gold coins to go on allocation. They sell a lot more silver ones than gold. Just another indicator that physical gold is getting tight as well.
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
You can get as much as you want where I work, even 100 oz bars... No shortage here.

Ok, at what price? and where would that be (south of Valhalla I guess :D) Actually it looked like they did have 100 oz bars at my shop. But like I said above, had no mint mark.

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And by the way, Fishdawg... one oz bars are great, but only if they have a commonly known mint mark. Otherwise I personally would steer clear. Just because of marketability later. If you wanted to trade them in, and the mark is not known, your going to have to prove they are .99 silver or whatever. And then, small one oz bars would be a pain.

My reason for buying mostly Eagles is the recognizability of them... that is, my scenario for the need for trading silver would be where bartering would be much easier if you don't have to prove what they are. Eagles are a bit harder to fake!

ETA... now if you are only buying the silver to invest or as a hedge? That is a different story. If you can sell it back where you bought it, it does not matter. I just don't ever expect that will be where my silver gets sold...

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DannyBoy

Veteran Member
Ok, I broke down and paid through the nose a few minutes ago... on EBay. actually wanted to grab a couple 2014 silver Eagles, and could not help myself... paid 20 bucks plus $3.10 shipping... saves me a trip to the coin shop though, and I would have had to call first, etc... (these were for commemoration of a grand child's birth and a wedding, both in 2014) They still make great gifts you know. Although you will have to explain what they are most of the time. :D
 
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