CORONA The Welsh fight back! Tesco shopper tears plastic sheets off banned 'non-essential' goods as he 'takes a stand' against 'immoral' Covid crackdown

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The Welsh fight back! Moment furious Tesco shopper tears plastic sheets off banned 'non-essential' goods as he 'takes a stand' against 'immoral' Covid crackdown by his government that is robbing people of 'basic human needs'



  • Gwilym Owen, 28, was filmed ripping down covers in Tesco in Bangor last night
  • It comes as shops are not allowed to sell some goods under the Welsh lockdown
  • Security attend Mr Owen as he yells 'since when has clothing not been essential'
  • Wales was plunged into a draconian 'firebreak' lockdown from 6pm yesterday
  • It will last 17 days, people will be asked to stay home and buy only essential items


A furious shopper has been filmed tearing plastic sheets off banned 'non-essential' goods as he 'takes a stand' against the 'immoral' Covid crackdown in Wales.

Gwilym Owen, 28, last night ripped down covers in Tesco in Bangor, where staff had wrapped up items deemed not important by the government.

He shouted: 'Since when have clothes been exempt?, rip the f***ers off... kids' f***ing clothes, it is a disgrace.'

A security staff member approached Mr Owen and he replied: 'Since when has clothing not been essential.'

The store worker, who was wearing a face covering, confronted him over an F&F label stall while the cameraman ran away from another employee.

Wales was plunged into a draconian 'firebreak' lockdown at 6pm yesterday and it is expected to wreck the Welsh economy.

Under the move, which will last 17 days, people have to stay home and leave only for a limited reasons, including exercise, buying essential goods or to provide care.



Gwilym Owen, who was not wearing a mask, is seen removing covers in a shop which are no longer allowed to sell under the new Welsh lockdown restrictions


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Gwilym Owen, who was not wearing a mask, is seen removing covers in a shop which are no longer allowed to sell under the new Welsh lockdown restrictions
The man is heard to shout 'since when has clothes been exempt?', 'rip the f***ers off!' and 'kids' f***ing clothes, it is a disgrace'


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The man is heard to shout 'since when has clothes been exempt?', 'rip the f***ers off!' and 'kids' f***ing clothes, it is a disgrace'
He added on Facebook: 'I had enough last night. I don't care about the backlash that I may get from this'


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He added on Facebook: 'I had enough last night. I don't care about the backlash that I may get from this'
Elsewhere in Wales's battle with coronavirus:

  • A further 1,324 people tested positive for coronavirus, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 41,577;
  • Public Health Wales said 16 people with Covid-19 had died, with the total number of deaths in the pandemic rising to 1,772;
  • Church leaders wrote to the Welsh Assembly seeking urgent review of 'firebreak' lockdown that will ban churches in Wales from opening for three Sundays;
  • Police last night revealed extraordinary plans to patrol the Anglo-Welsh border to stop families from crossing over for a half-term holiday.
In a post on Facebook afterwards, Mr Owen, who had not been wearing a mask, said: 'I had enough last night. I don't care about the backlash that I may get from this.

In a post on Facebook afterwards, Mr Owen said: 'I had enough last night. I don't care about the backlash that I may get from this'


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In a post on Facebook afterwards, Mr Owen said: 'I had enough last night. I don't care about the backlash that I may get from this'
'I heard supermarkets have put covers over 'non essential' things such as clothes. We're heading into winter now and who would have thought clothes for children weren't essential?

'I'm sure there are people out there who can barely afford heating in their houses and now they want to stop people buying clothes in supermarkets.

'I don't expect everyone to do what I've done here but I do expect everyone to know that denying the public clothing is nothing but immoral and inhuman.

'So no I'm not ashamed of what I've done.

'I'm not prepared to live in a society where they can take basic human needs away like being able to buy new clothes, especially for children. So I'll do what I can to stop it.

'I've had it up to my tether with what's going on and we need more people to take a stand for what is right! This was my stand.'

A spokesman for Tesco said: 'Under new restrictions set out by the Welsh Government, we are currently unable to sell ''non-essential'' items in our stores.

'Our colleagues have worked hard to put these measures in place and we ask that customers please respect these restrictions.'




















Supermarket staff in Wales covered up kettles and phone chargers on shelves as 'power mad' First Minister Mark Drakeford banned the sale of 'non-essential' items during the country's coronavirus firebreak lockdown


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Supermarket staff in Wales covered up kettles and phone chargers on shelves as 'power mad' First Minister Mark Drakeford banned the sale of 'non-essential' items during the country's coronavirus firebreak lockdown
Lidl closed off all their 'non-essential' aisles in Porthmadog before 6pm yesterday with the ban set to last for the full lockdown


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Lidl closed off all their 'non-essential' aisles in Porthmadog before 6pm yesterday with the ban set to last for the full lockdown
Plastic sheets were placed over electrical items which are banned from being sold in this Welsh Asda store this evening


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Plastic sheets were placed over electrical items which are banned from being sold in this Welsh Asda store this evening
Pallets of stock block access to non essential goods at the Sainsburys store in Crindau, Newport at the start of the firebreak lockdown


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Pallets of stock block access to non essential goods at the Sainsburys store in Crindau, Newport at the start of the firebreak lockdown
It comes as church leaders wrote to the Welsh Assembly seeking an urgent review of the 'firebreak' lockdown measures.

The new restrictions will uniformly ban churches in Wales from opening for three Sundays.

The pre-action letter argues blanket measures imposed on Welsh churches will be unlawful and unnecessary.

The letter says: 'The forced closure of churches by the state is an extreme interference with Article 9 rights.

'Such a far-reaching and large-scale intervention may only be justified by the most compelling scientific evidence of a resulting benefit to public health.'

Non-essential or essential? What we know about what goods are banned in Wales' lockdown firebreak
First Minister Mark Drakeford has announced that non-essential items should not be sold during the country's firebreak lockdown.
So far the Welsh government has not published a public list of what these goods include.
The supermarkets have also not responded on whether they have been given specific instructions on what they cannot sell.
But information gathered throughout yesterday suggests these items cannot be sold during the 17 days of restrictions:
  • Hairdryers
  • Stationary
  • Kettles
  • Phone chargers
  • Duvets
  • Sheets
  • Electrical products




The church leaders, who work in some of the most deprived areas of Wales, acknowledged the seriousness of the Covid-19 pandemic.

But they argued the imposition of appropriate anti-pandemic measures should be a matter for church rather than secular authorities.

The group say they are open to a constructive dialogue with the Welsh Assembly, but warn if matters are not addressed urgently, they will seek a judicial review.

Leaders of English churches have also signed the letter, concerned the forced closure of churches in Wales would set a precedent England would follow.

Senior Pastor at Christchurch, Newport, Rev Peter Greasley said: 'It is vital for a church that serves on the front lines of a community in need to be able to meet and worship together.

'For 25 years we have served the people of Newport and beyond materially, emotionally and spiritually.

'We run the Newport Foodbank, which local people need urgently at this time. We also work extensively with social services, the police and the local health board who use our facilities at a reduced cost. If our church is not able to function properly then neither can these important services.

'We are particularly concerned that this decision by the Welsh Assembly does not recognise how vital spiritual well-being is to a community.

'Through this letter we are urgently appealing to those in authority to reconsider the closure of churches and to recognise the crucial role churches play in the community across Wales and the rest of the UK.'

Chief executive of the Christian Legal Centre, which is supporting the group, Andrea Williams added: 'In the face of a crisis the answer is not to shut down churches that provide the safe havens in our communities across the nations of the United Kingdom.

'Churches are often the glue that holds our communities together; often places where the most vulnerable in our society and those hurting from Covid find community and hope.

'To shut the churches is to shut the places of refuge and rescue in our society. The Welsh government must think again, understand the role of their churches and allow them to be open.'

Meanwhile police last night revealed extraordinary plans to patrol the Anglo-Welsh border to stop families from crossing over for a half-term holiday.

Officers will try to stop caravans sneaking into England from Wales and deter Welsh motorists defying First Minister Mark Drakeford's 'power-mad' orders from making 'non-essential' journeys.

Cars crossing from England into Wales on the M4 motorway near Rogiet as the two-week 'firebreaker' lockdown begins


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Cars crossing from England into Wales on the M4 motorway near Rogiet as the two-week 'firebreaker' lockdown begins
Traffic heading into Wales on the A494 on the Anglo-Welsh border at Queensferry as the country is plunged into lockdown


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Traffic heading into Wales on the A494 on the Anglo-Welsh border at Queensferry as the country is plunged into lockdown
Officers will be enforcing Covid-19 restrictions over the weekend in a bid to clamp-down on motorists defying First Minister Mark Drakeford's 'power-mad' attempt to suppress the virus despite the travel ban being 'unenforceable'


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Officers will be enforcing Covid-19 restrictions over the weekend in a bid to clamp-down on motorists defying First Minister Mark Drakeford's 'power-mad' attempt to suppress the virus despite the travel ban being 'unenforceable'
Police officers were in Cardiff city centre this evening as Wales entered a 17-day 'firebreak' lockdown at 6pm


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Police officers were in Cardiff city centre this evening as Wales entered a 17-day 'firebreak' lockdown at 6pm
A slidey graphic shows the coronavirus infection rate across Wales for the week October 5 to 11


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A slidey graphic shows the coronavirus infection rate across Wales for the week October 5 to 11
A slidey graphic shows the coronavirus infection rate across Wales for the week October 12 to 18


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A slidey graphic shows the coronavirus infection rate across Wales for the week October 12 to 18
Gloucestershire Police also announced an operation covering routes from Wales into the Forest of Dean where officers will stop motorists travelling into England to find out what they are doing.

Drivers will be encouraged to turn around and head back to Wales if officers 'are not satisfied with their explanation', a spokesman said. If they refuse, police will tell forces in Wales so they can issue fines.

But motorists yesterday crossed the border on the A494 at Queensferry and on the A5445 between Chester and Wrexham in a breach of the new restrictions.

Mr Drakeford has threatened to use number plate recognition cameras to fine English drivers crossing into his country.

His call was echoed by Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, who threatened to roll-out a similar travel ban across Scotland to stop people travelling from virus hotspots in England.

But the Police Federation of England and Wales has revealed the ban is 'unenforceable', adding policing which is 'already over-stretched due to the pandemic' would be complicated by the measure.

A spokesman for Gloucestershire Constabulary said: 'While we cannot issue fines to those travelling from Wales into the county we can inform the host force of those we stop about what has happened so they can take action.

'Officers will be running an operation over the weekend that will cover routes from Wales into the Forest of Dean and if we stop someone travelling from Wales we will be engaging with them to find out why, explaining the legislation and encouraging them to turn around if we are not satisfied with their explanation.

The spokesman added: 'If they don't then turn around we will then inform the force that polices the area they have travelled from so that they can issue a fine.

'It is important to stress that the vast majority of people are abiding by the rules but in line with our policing approach, we will take action where there are flagrant breaches.'

He stressed: 'It isn't checkpoints. Officers will spend some time on the main routes into the Forest and will stop vehicles when there is a concern that the vehicle may have travelled some distance. They won't be stopping every vehicle.'

Anyone who refuses to pay could be taken to court and convicted, leaving them with a criminal record.

North Wales Police also announced extra patrols and 'increased visibility' across the force area over the weekend.

On behalf of the four Welsh Police Forces, Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Nigel Harrison, North Wales Police said: 'People should not be travelling between the areas facing local restrictions without defined reasonable excuses.

'This will include those that travel from other parts of the UK with high transmission rates.

'If you live in Wales in a non-restricted area you must not leave Wales to travel to other areas of the UK with high transmission rates – again without a reasonable excuse.

'All the actions we take and the effort we put in will be focussed towards limiting the spread of the virus, helping us all protect our loved ones, our communities and our vital health service.'

Both forces said they will not deploy officers to routinely patrol the border and not all vehicles crossing it will be stopped. But motorists should expect to see a heightened police presence.

Officers will be on the lookout for vehicles such as caravans or people towing pleasure boats who may be breaking the rules.

Chief Inspector Jeff Moses told Conwy council's economy and place scrutiny committee this week that officers were expecting to see a lot of caravans on the A55 as people try to beat the new restrictions.

'We are aware, and quite expecting to see, caravans flying across the A55 on Friday afternoon,' he said 'So there will be some measures to counter this. Sadly I am sure there will be lots of people trying to come to Wales.



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The SAGE files: Papers presented to Government claim Covid-19 is mutating, London ISN'T seeing a spike in cases and patients are dying quicker in the second wave than they did in the first
Scientific advisers have been warned that the coronavirus is mutating and could become more infectious, according to SAGE papers published yesterday.
The New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (NERVTAG) said the UK did not have the capability to research these mutations in depth and whether they would be harmful.
It's one of a number of papers released by the Government yesterday that give an insight into how scientists are steering the pandemic.
The idea was explored in a scientific report handed to the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE), which then presents the findings to the Government to help inform public health policy.
Another document shows how scientists have found that London has so far avoided a 'second wave' on the scale of those happening in other major cities in England, such as Liverpool and Manchester.
Experts speculate this is because more of the capital's population has some form of immunity to the coronavirus after having it already, compared to the North West, which did not have infections as high as London in the first wave.
Meanwhile data reveals hospitalised Covid-19 patients are dying quicker than they were the first time around - take a week on average, rather than two. This may be because treatment has improved, and therefore doctors can save the lives of those who are not as sick and would usually take longer to die, pushing up the average time.



'There's lots of work going on in the background as I am sure you're aware.' Gwent Police have also pledged to mount extra patrols across the force area.

But a spokesman said the focus will be on 'engaging with the community' rather than specifically patrolling the border.

Temporary Assistant Chief Constable Ian Roberts said: 'Across Gwent we will be carrying out additional patrols, in particular over the Halloween and Bonfire Night period.'

It comes as supermarket staff covered up kettles and phone chargers on shelves as Mr Drakeford banned the sale of 'non-essential' items during the country's coronavirus firebreak lockdown.

Tesco and Lidl workers became Wales' first 'trolley police' as they were seen hiding shelves of 'non-essential' products behind plastic sheets to stop customers buying them ahead of the start of the restrictions, which came in earlier this evening.

Plastic barriers and stacks of drinks crates were also set up to block off certain aisles while other items were taped off by staff as part of efforts to follow the draconian new rules.

At other major supermarkets, Sainsbury's said staff have been working 'around the clock' to put changes in place, while Waitrose said it was reviewing government guidance and Asda claimed it had been given 'very little time' to implement the new rules.

Four members of staff at a Tesco store in Pontypool could be seen inspecting the cover-up for a 20-minute trial run ahead of the latest restrictions coming into force, with witnesses admitting they'd 'never seen anything like it'.

Mr Drakeford described stopping supermarkets from selling non-essential products during the firebreak lockdown as 'a straightforward matter of fairness'.

Wales' Labour leader could not hide his frustration as he was repeatedly questioned on the restrictions, which are now in force for 17 days. He said they were 'fair' and crucial to stop the spread of the virus.

He told a press conference in Cardiff that any suggestion that the ban, which was announced on Thursday, was based on his own politics was 'nonsensical'.

He said: 'We are requiring many hundreds of small businesses to close on the high street right across Wales.

'We cannot do that and then allow supermarkets to sell goods that those people are unable to sell.

'And we are looking to minimise the amount of time that people spend out of their homes during this two-week period.

'This is not the time to be browsing around supermarkets looking for non-essential goods.'

He said trying to find exceptions to the rules was 'just the wrong' approach and called on people in Wales to not use the firebreak to do things that they do not have to.

'It is a straightforward matter of fairness – we are in this together here in Wales,' he added.

He was slammed for the stance by TV host Kay Burley who argued that her hairdryer was a necessary item, despite the Welsh leader claiming it classed as a 'non-essential' item.

Supermarket customers in Wales yesterday claimed the sale of duvets, bedding and electricals had been stopped by Tesco staff who covered the shelves in plastic.

Tesco customer Jamie Cole, 31, said the aisle containing kettles and phone chargers was also 'completely closed off' despite them being 'needed' as temperatures nationwide begin to drop.

Mr Cole said: 'I was shocked, it's quite bad. Bedding should be available for kids and mothers. We're coming up to winter, it's cold outside, I couldn't believe it.

'I don't have kids of my own but my friend and my sister have kids, she's quite shocked too. They rely on Tesco as it's the only supermarket in our town.

'This was today at 10.49am, the restrictions don't come into effect until 6pm and all the other supermarkets are fine. The staff are only following orders, It's happened so quickly. They only announced it at about 7pm last night.

'I'm 30-odd and I've never seen anything like it in my life. You abide by the rules then they do this, it's quite intimidating. There was another aisle that was completely closed off too, that was the stationery aisle and electricals.





















Non-essential aisles in Asda at Coryton, Cardiff were blocked off to comply with the firebreak lockdown rules at 6pm


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Non-essential aisles in Asda at Coryton, Cardiff were blocked off to comply with the firebreak lockdown rules at 6pm
Children's clothes were wrapped in cellophane as they cannot be sold under the new firebreak lockdown regulations


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Children's clothes were wrapped in cellophane as they cannot be sold under the new firebreak lockdown regulations
Crates of drinks were used to block off non-essential aisles at the Tesco store in Cardiff in order to follow the new rules


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Crates of drinks were used to block off non-essential aisles at the Tesco store in Cardiff in order to follow the new rules
Staff taped off products such as duvets at Tesco's store in Pontypool, with a sign reading: 'Sorry we are unable to sell these items due to government guidelines until November 9th'


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Staff taped off products such as duvets at Tesco's store in Pontypool, with a sign reading: 'Sorry we are unable to sell these items due to government guidelines until November 9th'
A barrier was set up at a Tesco superstore in Swansea as supermarkets are told to stop selling non-essential goods


A barrier was set up at a Tesco superstore in Swansea as supermarkets are told to stop selling non-essential goods
'If you needed a kettle or phone charger, that aisle was completely closed off. I've done a bit of homework and there's no list of essential items on the Wales Government website.

'I guess it's the supermarket that decides what items are essential.'

A spokesperson for Tesco confirmed to MailOnline: 'Our colleagues across Wales will be working incredibly hard today so we can comply with the Welsh Government's ban on selling 'non-essential' goods to our customers from 6pm this evening.'

It came after Mr Drakeford snapped as he was roasted over his ban on the shops selling the items in his lockdown.


HOW HAVE INFECTIONS IN WALES CHANGED?
Wales has pulled the trigger on a 17-day 'firebreak' lockdown after average daily infections more than tripled in a month.
The rolling seven-day average, considered the most accurate measure of outbreaks because it takes into account day-to-day fluctuations, was 238 on September 23.
It currently stands at 894, analysis of Public Health Wales figures reveal.

The weekly rate of infections per 100,000 in Wales has also jumped by nearly a quarter in a week.
It currently stands at 199.2, having risen from 160.6 last Friday.
The rate of 199.2 per 100,000 is considerably higher than Scotland's 161.2 but still below England's 213.6.
Northern Ireland - which has the smallest population in the UK, at 1.8million - has the highest rate of the home nations, at 378.6.
To get a sense of how fast Wales' crisis has been growing, it was recording just 3.7 cases per 100,000 a week in August, the lowest in the UK.
The nation's 761 new cases yesterday took the number of confirmed cases to 40,253.
A quarter of these were recorded in the last fortnight.
Since September 11 there have been 10,625 cases - though the true figure is thought to be much higher because so many people are asymptomatic or do not get tested.





The Labour First Minister could not hide his frustration as he was repeatedly questioned on the restrictions, which came into force at 6pm for 17 days.

He insisted they were 'fair' and crucial to stop the spread of the virus.

But when he was challenged over whether it was 'essential' for parents to buy new school trousers if their children ripped them, Mr Drakeford moaned: 'It is just the wrong way to approach this whole business.

'We are back to the ''how do you we get round the rules'' approach to coronavirus.'

He added tetchily: 'There is a bigger prize at stake here than whether you need to buy a candle or not.'

Mr Drakeford insisted that allowing supermarkets to keep selling clothes and other products while smaller retailers were shut would be unacceptable.

'We're all in this together here in Wales,' he told a press conference in Cardiff.

'This is not a period to be browsing around in supermarkets looking for non-essential goods.'

However, anger rose as Welsh health minister Vaughan Gething made clear alcohol does count as a key item under the confusing new rules – but insisted hair dryers do not.

He also conceded that a 'line by line' list of what can be sold would be 'unusable', saying they were hoping retailers will have a 'grown up understanding'.

There are fears it will mean a return to the scenes witnessed at the beginning of the pandemic when there were rows over the contents of people's shopping trolleys.

Mr Drakeford said this afternoon that local restrictions had succeeded in stemming the spread of the virus, but were not 'turning it back'.

He compared the progress in place like Torfaen favourably with areas in England like Oldham. But he said the 'short sharp shock' of a lockdown was now essential.

'We have to act urgently now because the virus is rising too fast,' he said.

Many retailers will be forced to shut altogether during the 'firebreak' lockdown, but food shops and pharmacies can stay open.

During a bruising interview with Kay Burley on Sky News, Mr Gething said the Welsh government was producing 'categories' that are allowed to be sold.

'A supermarket selling clothes isn't essential... We are looking to have a grown up understanding with them about what they can do so they go ahead and do that.'

A road sign in the Welsh capital of Cardiff advised people that the new firebreak lockdown would begin at 6pm on Friday


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A road sign in the Welsh capital of Cardiff advised people that the new firebreak lockdown would begin at 6pm on Friday
A worker closes the front gate to a bar on St. Mary Street in Cardiff as the new lockdown rules came into effect at 6pm


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A worker closes the front gate to a bar on St. Mary Street in Cardiff as the new lockdown rules came into effect at 6pm
Staff pack up tables and chairs outside a bar in the centre of Cardiff in order to abide by the new lockdown restrictions


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Staff pack up tables and chairs outside a bar in the centre of Cardiff in order to abide by the new lockdown restrictions
Cars at the border crossing between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, as gardai conduct checks asking people the reason for their journey amid tightened coronavirus restrictions


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Cars at the border crossing between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, as gardai conduct checks asking people the reason for their journey amid tightened coronavirus restrictions
He added: 'We don't want to get into a line by line going through thousands of of product items. That would be unusable from their point of view and ours,' he said.

Burley asked whether the situation meant alcohol is essential but a hair dryer is not.

'Well look, food and drink are items that we had through the first period of the pandemic, they are available everywhere,' Mr Gething replied.

When the presenter insisted, 'Trust me, my hair dryer is essential', Mr Gething responded: 'No it isn't, Kay.'

Burley said: 'Course it is. Look at the state of your hair compared to mine.. I have to dry my hair, you can towel dry yours.'

Welsh 'fire break' lockdown rules
  • Supermarkets can sell only 'essential items'
  • Pubs and restaurants closed
  • Only leave the house to shop for food, medicine or take exercise
  • Household mixing banned indoors and outdoors
  • Most secondary school children will stay at home
  • Work from home wherever possible
  • Wear face masks indoors and on public transport

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But Mr Gething replied: 'I don't think that the biggest issue on people's minds in Wales will be whether they can buy a hair dryer for the next two weeks.'

With police given powers to take action against drivers heading into Wales from England, the Garda are back on the Irish border and carrying out checks on drivers after the highest-level lockdowns were imposed on both sides of the frontier.

Irish police have not carried out such stringent checks on drivers from Ulster since the days of the Troubles when the IRA moved guns and explosives into the war-torn province.

Now they are on the lookout for people making non-essential journeys, after the Republic this week imposed swingeing Level 5 restrictions which ban people from travelling more than three miles (5km) from their home.

Stormont has asked citizens not to make 'unnecessary travel,' but Dublin's measures are more aggressive.

On Wednesday night, when Ireland's new six-week national lockdown began, gardai were given new powers by Dublin to prosecute people making non-essential travel, with fines of up to €2,500 and jail for up to six months.

The firebreak lockdown has sparked anger among opposition figures, with Welsh Conservative Andrew RT Davies tweeting: 'The power is going to their heads'.

The lockdown is significantly more severe than England's three-tier system, with Wales demanding people stay at home except for limited purposes such as exercise, and ordering the complete closure of pubs, restaurants, hotels and non-essential shops.

A ban on travel to Wales from hotspot areas in England has been in place this week, despite the Police Federation describing it as 'unenforceable'.

By contrast, even in England's strictest Tier Three areas, some social meetings are allowed outdoors and pubs can stay open providing they offer customers a 'substantial meal'.

As a result, revellers took to the streets of Cardiff city centre last night to enjoy one blast on the town before the new restrictions came into force.

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The hard line taken in Wales was mercilessly mocked by social media users who created memes to rib the new regulations


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The hard line taken in Wales was mercilessly mocked by social media users who created memes to rib the new regulations
In Scotland, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon also wants to take a harsher approach than the PM, with more levels of curbs to tackle the pandemic, though she played down claims from a top adviser that families should prepare to see loved ones over Zoom at Christmas due to the ongoing crisis.

Mr Drakeford said it will be 'made clear' to supermarkets that only certain parts of their business will be allowed to open in order to sell essentials.

Retailers were given mere hours to put together plans for the lockdown, which will run until November 9, as shopkeepers argue the rules do not make sense as customers will already be in their stores to buy the 'essential' items.

Bacteriologist says restaurant and pub closures across Scotland and Wales are NOT backed by 'sound evidence'
Pub and restaurant closures across Scotland and Wales are not backed by 'sound evidence', according to a top academic.
Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon yesterday unveiled her nation's new tiered lockdown approach while Wales began a 17-day 'firebreak' at 6pm this evening.
The rules mean the shutters are coming down on many sections of the high street in both countries, however Hugh Pennington, professor of bacteriology at the University of Aberdeen, said he is frustrated by the lack of information being used to support the shutdown.
It comes after hospitality groups signalled their intention to take legal action against the Government.
The Scottish Beer and Pub Association, The Scottish Licensed Trade Association, UK Hospitality (Scotland), the Scottish Hospitality Group and the Night Time Industries Association Scotland are all pursuing action.
They said there is 'no sound evidence' to support bar and restaurant closures, which were extended yesterday for another week in the Central Belt.
Prof Pennington said he understands the hospitality groups' decision to pursue legal action.
He said: 'I can see where they are coming from.
'I can see why they want to see more data.
'I think those of us who are not involved in the government machine would like to see that data.
'I've been quite frustrated by the low level of information about outbreaks and the evidence that is being used.
'What the hospitality industry want to see is the evidence that is driving the policy.
'There is evidence from the international scene, we know there have been outbreaks in pubs and of course there was the Aberdeen outbreak.
'But what I haven't seen and what the hospitality industry will be very keen to see is if there has been a detailed study of an outbreak.
'One can do quite sophisticated analysis quite quickly and I haven't seen that data.
'And if there is evidence, then the hospitality industry can accept, well that's why you are coming down so heavily on us.'



Mr Drakeford made the announcement at a Senedd committee in response to a question from Conservative MS Russell George who said it was 'unfair' to force independent clothing and hardware retailers to close while similar goods were on sale in major supermarkets.

'In the first set of restrictions people were reasonably understanding of the fact that supermarkets didn't close all the things that they may have needed to,' Mr Drakeford said.

'I don't think that people will be as understanding this time and we will be making it clear to supermarkets that they are only able to open those parts of their business that provide essential goods to people and that will not include some of the things that Russell George mentioned which other people are prevented from selling.

'So, we will make sure there is a more level playing field in those next two weeks.'

From Friday all leisure and non-essential retail will be closed and this includes clothes shops, furniture shops and car dealerships. A complete list is yet to be published.

Shops allowed to remain open include supermarkets and other food retailers, pharmacies, banks and post offices.

Under the law, firms conducting a business that provides a mixed set of services will be allowed to open if they cease conducting the service that must close.

Mr George said: 'It is deeply concerning that, given we are days away from the lockdown, we are still awaiting the publication of a full list of the types of businesses required to close, as well as guidance on business closures.

'At a time of considerable uncertainty, it is totally unacceptable - whether intentionally or not - to create even more concern and anxiety, which is, sadly, what this Government is succeeding at.

'The people and businesses of Wales deserve better than being left in the dark. For the sake of people's jobs and livelihoods, I urge the Welsh Labour-led Government to heed our calls and publish a list, without delay.'

Andrew RT Davies, the Conservative shadow health minister, tweeted: 'The power is going to their heads.'

He later added: 'Is a flagon of Strongbow deemed essential? What about some much-needed underpants if you're caught short?

'I do hope there is some published guidance on what the Labour commissars deem as essential.'

Sue Davies, from consumer group Which?, said the announcement would cause 'confusion', particularly among the vulnerable.

'Our own research showed that almost half of those who described themselves as situationally vulnerable in Wales during the previous lockdown had difficulty accessing the food and groceries they needed,' she said.

'The Welsh Government must act now to clarify the situation around what retailers can and cannot sell, and must urgently identify those most in need to give them the support to ensure that no-one who is at risk struggles to access the food and other basics they need.'

The First Minister said he would keep the principality closed down for as short a time as possible, but insisted it was necessary to act as a breaker to a 'rising tide' of cases – despite Wales having a lower rate of infections than England.

The decision to impose a 'short and deep' lockdown until November 9, which echoes national demands made by Sir Keir Starmer and wipes out Halloween and Bonfire Night, sparked a furious political backlash.

Data showed England had a coronavirus infection rate of 166 per 100,000 people in the week of October 14 while Wales had a rate of 163 per 100,000.

Welsh Tories said it was dooming the country to an endless cycle of two-week lockdowns while Conservative MPs in Westminster said it was a 'blunt instrument' and 'closing down the whole of Wales is disproportionate to the level of risk in some parts of the country'.

Department of Health data shows how weekly infection rates vary across Wales. Areas in dark blue diagnosed at least 200 cases for every 100,000 people living there in the week ending October 18. Light blue shows a rate of between 101 and 200. Areas in dark green saw between 51 and 100 cases for every 100,000 people, while those in light green saw between 11 and 50 positive tests for the same amount of people.




Department of Health data shows how weekly infection rates vary across Wales. Areas in dark blue diagnosed at least 200 cases for every 100,000 people living there in the week ending October 18. Light blue shows a rate of between 101 and 200. Areas in dark green saw between 51 and 100 cases for every 100,000 people, while those in light green saw between 11 and 50 positive tests for the same amount of people.





A graph shows how the number of coronavirus cases has risen in Wales since the end of August but there have been fewer in recent days





A graph shows how the number of coronavirus cases has risen in Wales since the end of August but there have been fewer in recent days
A graph shows how the number of coronavirus hospitalisations is on the rise in Wales over the last few days, but has not sky-rocketed





A graph shows how the number of coronavirus hospitalisations is on the rise in Wales over the last few days, but has not sky-rocketed
A graph shows how the number of coronavirus deaths has risen in Wales since the end of August but there have been fewer in recent days





A graph shows how the number of coronavirus deaths has risen in Wales since the end of August but there have been fewer in recent days
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During a bruising interview with Kay Burley on Sky News, Vaughan Gething said the Welsh government was producing 'categories' that are allowed to be sold


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During a bruising interview with Kay Burley on Sky News, Vaughan Gething said the Welsh government was producing 'categories' that are allowed to be sold
Sara Jones, head of the Welsh Retail Consortium, said: 'Compelling retailers to stop selling certain items, without them being told clearly what is and what isn't permitted to be sold, is ill-conceived and short-sighted.'

And James Lowman, chief of the Association of Convenience Stores added: 'Retailers must not be forced to stop making products available to customers just because ministers don't think they're essential.'

A Welsh Government spokesman said: 'The fire-break is designed to reduce all physical contact between households to an absolute minimum in order to slow the spread of coronavirus and save lives.

'We have a small window in which to take this action and there are no easy choices.

'However, we fully recognise the impact the fire-break will have on businesses and are making a further £300 million available to support them through this difficult period.'

At the start of the pandemic, hordes of shoppers descended on supermarkets at the crack of dawn in a desperate bid to stock up after weeks of panic-buying cleared food aisles across the country.

Pleas from the government and retailers to consider other people and steer clear of panic-buying had been largely ignored, with those who did exercise restraint forced to flock to stores well ahead of opening times to make sure they didn't leave empty-handed.

Individual stores took action to curb the number of products people could buy, while police and private security were even drafted in to stamp out ransacking of high-demand items such as toilet roll.

Mr Drakeford said this week: 'It is a very difficult time indeed and it's why, in the end, we decided to go for the shortest possible period of a firebreak - a two-week period.

'But if you're doing it short, you've got to do it deep. There's a trade-off there.

'We could have gone for a longer period with slightly fewer restrictions but, in the end, the advice to us - partly because of the impact on people's mental health – was that if you could keep this period of time as short as you could, that would help to mitigate that impact.'
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Considering that some of what they "banned" as "non-essential" were things like warm blankets, pillows, hot water bottles, and kettles (how most people heat their water especially the elderly) I think someone in the Welsh government is on a super-power trip.

In a "pandemic" people need boiling water (elderly people especially are safer with the electric kettles than a pan of boiling water and these have been standard here/UK since WWII), they need warm blankets going into Winter, and they need baby clothing, socks and some Winter Clothing (especially kids).

It SNOWS in large parts of Wales, and many people still live in homes without centralized heat (again the elderly in old cottages especially) just a very expensive "electric fire" (heater) and an old turf/wood stove.

And banning this stuff from the supermarkets means people who can are just going to buy it online- taking more money out of the local economy and into the big corporations (like Amazon).
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I think the government knows it will probably have to back down on at least the hot water bottles, blankets, pillows and other things needed desperately by the elderly and disabled.

Now they may restrict their sale to pharmacies (at higher prices) but they probably will allow them, and probably baby clothing if it goes on for more than 2 weeks.

But then again, they may not but people in the UK are already figuring out that if they get made enough, there is little to stop them demonstrating, they can try, but the bobbies tend to get outnumbered.
 

AlaskaSue

North to the Future
I do admire the level of testosterone evident in the OP. I believe during the first week of the original lockdown...Feb? March? ... the Wasilla Walmart tried to block aisles like that...didn’t last more than 24 hours though.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
I do admire the level of testosterone evident in he OP. I believe during the first week of the original lockdown...Feb? March? ... the Wasilla Walmart tried to block aisles like that...didn’t last more than 24 hours though.
People put up with some of this during the first lockdown here and in the UK, but it was usually more moderated and the kind of stuff most people don't really need to buy every day - 40-inch screen televisions and the like; there was massive pushback about things like seeds (some stores sold them anyway) and most computer shops were allowed to sell and service even if the door was shut - you can't very well go to "on-line school" if people can't either buy a mobile phone or fix their computer.

But this time, especially in the UK, the "orders" are all over the map, with not only each "country" having their own rules but also sometimes each city or area; making things extremely confusing and pretty much asking to be ignored.

Heck in Ireland most of the cases came in from Northern Ireland, and I was joking to Nightwolf that if BREXIT doesn't create a hard border the Irish Republic might try to do it on their own, at least until this is over; as it is they have a modified "guard" (police) checkpoints.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Excellent article! Thanks for going to all the work to post it.

I've been getting the general impression that folks all over the UK have about had their fill, and this gives a good view of what normal people are dealing with. Also, how out-of-touch leadership is with daily life and needs. Looking at the stats, no way is this draconian stuff justified. You can't keep a lid on people for this many months and not have a backlash.
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
When TPTB add pointless variables to the equation--like deciding what folks can and cannot buy--they undermine the genuinely useful and effective things people could be doing to slow the spread of the virus. The population gets fed up with the whole business (pandemic fatigue) and basically just says:

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Baby, bath water, everything out the window.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Yes, that's government overreach, for sure.

Here, it's about money. Walmart increased their hours and stopped counting shoppers because it was cutting into their bottom line. Other stores have followed their lead. Since Walmart is a leading employer with a lot of political influence, they get what they want, to a large extent.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
they are determining which jobs are essential and which people are not needed.
they are determining which products are essential and which factories can be closed

it truly amazes me that people do not realize that when people stop buying the product of a factory,
the factory closes and those products are no longer available.
when people stop buying from a restaurant, the restaurant closes
when people stop buying from a store, the store closes.

now that I have said this, can you invoke your imagination and foresee how this can be used to implement
the Green New Deal? or any New Deal?
 

Dux

Veteran Member
I'd send the article to my son in Melbourne, but it would make him more angry and/or depressed
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I'm still trying to figure out how a politician justifies not allowing the sale of things like kid's clothes and bedding as a plague prevention? I realized it's overreach by a power mad, anal retentive Fascist, control freak politician. Got that. I'm just trying to figure out if it's a power trip, feelz or there is some pseudoscience behind it?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I'm not sure one guy loosing it (No matter how rightous his indignation) constitutes "the Welsh".

Now if he inspires others...
Thousands upon thousands of people have already signed a petition and forced a "review" of what is "not" essential, and this guy is kind of turning into a local hero.

Since this afternoon the Welsh government has gone from totally defending everything to a "review" of the list that is government-speak for "oops..."

Frankly some of this I think is just incompetence and some of it is to see how far "they" can go and what "they" can get away with before the public just ignores everything. I think they know the next step will be massive numbers of people converging on say one Tesco or other places, simply removing the plastic and trying to buy the items and if the cash is refused just walking out with them.
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
I think this sort of thing will increase around the world, and in the US this coming year so that you will have to bow and scrape to some government official just to get basic things you need for survival. this includes closing of all charitable organizations, churches, etc so the people have nowhere to turn. It's painfully obvious this is about control and forced submission rather than a desire to protect the community.

I've never before seen things like children's clothing and office supplies being unobtainable, not because they are not in stock, but because some government official decrees you can't sell them.
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Proud to be part Welsh and an Owen, to boot. The Welsh are a tribal people and were warriors. It is right there, under their skin.

Good! We‘ll have need of their ancient strength & courage in the days to come.

As we will of all the elder virtues of our savage ancestors.

Lord knows they endured such hellish oppression and fought like Titans to gain their freedom and survive that we would live...

We owe it to them to persevere so that they won’t look back and wonder why they endured such hardship only to spawn weak & gutless descendants!
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
I'm still trying to figure out how a politician justifies not allowing the sale of things like kid's clothes and bedding as a plague prevention? I realized it's overreach by a power mad, anal retentive Fascist, control freak politician. Got that. I'm just trying to figure out if it's a power trip, feelz or there is some pseudoscience behind it?

I *think* the justification was that people should only be going to the stores for the absolute necessities, rather than using a shopping trip as entertainment, which did happen some at the beginning. But it's still overreach, and needs to stop.

Kathleen
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I'm still trying to figure out how a politician justifies not allowing the sale of things like kid's clothes and bedding as a plague prevention? I realized it's overreach by a power mad, anal retentive Fascist, control freak politician. Got that. I'm just trying to figure out if it's a power trip, feelz or there is some pseudoscience behind it?
they are doing market research to test what the market will bear.
it will be rolled out to other markets based on results
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
It's about time somebody grew a pair.

More people need to. Now this is a real man asserting the truth.

This is all insane. I continue to pray against what the globalists are trying to do, and pray that it is put back on to them instead...all of them...deflected right back to them...all of it.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
I thought I would go back to the article to see more comments.

Suddenly, no more comments. They are all gone.
 
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