WAR The UPCOMING "PORT of GAZA" and how it may look---per Sal Mercogliano jward and I listen to Sal for shipping...

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
The problem is getting it from the dock to the so-called "hungry" towns and the villagers.

Go-between? Gonna have to be the Israeli's because the UN doesn't have the balls to do it. And the Israeli's have enough going on right now - don't need to be ferrying food across Indian Country when, no matter what they do, and how many of them die in the attempt, it will still end up in the grubby mitts of Hamas.

Too dangerous and frankly, pointless. Somebody with a few brains left needs to derail this disaster in the making.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
Iran is proxy drone attacking commercial shipping carrying Gaza relief supplies >>> in what world are they going to let a 1,000 US defenseless Army troops go unhindered? >>> if you read the plan - ISRAEL will be defending the build ....

I don't see the USN ship heading that direction making it safely without a destroyer task force - once it parks offshore Gaza it'll attract killer drones like flies to rotting meat .....
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Iran is proxy drone attacking commercial shipping carrying Gaza relief supplies >>> in what world are they going to let a 1,000 US defenseless Army troops go unhindered? >>> if you read the plan - ISRAEL will be defending the build ....

I don't see the USN ship heading that direction making it safely without a destroyer task force - once it parks offshore Gaza it'll attract killer drones like flies to rotting meat .....
Just remember the Arsehole in Chief, Joe the Traitor Biden, doesn’t give a rat’s ass about anyone but himself. Lots of dead innocents? He doesn’t care…

OA
 

ComCamGuy

Remote Paramedical pain in the ass
I think the way to do it is the way we airdropped MREs in Bosnia. To avoid hurting people on the ground and prevent someone from siezing a pallet of stuff, they were loaded loose into split triwall cardboard boxes pre-split and set up to spin apart as they exit the airframe, sending the MREs fluttering down in a wide confetti pattern

Tri-wall Aerial Delivery System (TRIADS). This system is very effective and inexpensive, costing only $72 per bundle, compared to the CDS costing almost $800 per bundle. Unlike the CDS, where one package would draw a large crowd to one location and not distribute the food evenly, the TRIADS would spread supplies such as Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs), blankets and clothing over a larger area. Thus, TRIADS distributes the relief supplies to more people. The supplies were packed into a 39-inch x 41-inch x 50-inch cardboard box with cardboard honeycomb padding.When the bundle left the aircraft, the box would open up, allowing the supplies to free fall to the ground. Although some supplies were destroyed upon impact, enough survived the drop to make this method worthwhile. MREs were tested an fine, even when dropped from 15k feet and higher
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I fail to see how it is going to help. It will take at least 60 days to build it.

It will help by speeding up the timeline.


1,000 US troops deploying to build offshore port for Gaza aid

Top Republican presses Biden on 'grave' concerns with Gaza aid port as Pentagon warns there is 'certainly a risk' that Hamas could fire on U.S. troops during the operation
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
WHY ARE WE GIVING FOOD TO PEOPLE WE ARE AT WAR WITH

It’s an election year. FJB is doing everything he can to keep American Hamas terrorists happy. He needs their votes. Throwing Israel under the bus as he speaks out of his @$$
 
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et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The port can be used to get stuff to Hammas by FJB too. Regardless. They’ll get most of it anyway. That’s exactly why the people of Gaza are seeing what their decisions have caused. They can help Israel hunt down Hamas If they truly want peace. Why aren’t they?
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I think the way to do it is the way we airdropped MREs in Bosnia. To avoid hurting people on the ground and prevent someone from siezing a pallet of stuff, they were loaded loose into split triwall cardboard boxes pre-split and set up to spin apart as they exit the airframe, sending the MREs fluttering down in a wide confetti pattern

Tri-wall Aerial Delivery System (TRIADS). This system is very effective and inexpensive, costing only $72 per bundle, compared to the CDS costing almost $800 per bundle. Unlike the CDS, where one package would draw a large crowd to one location and not distribute the food evenly, the TRIADS would spread supplies such as Meals, Ready to Eat (MREs), blankets and clothing over a larger area. Thus, TRIADS distributes the relief supplies to more people. The supplies were packed into a 39-inch x 41-inch x 50-inch cardboard box with cardboard honeycomb padding.When the bundle left the aircraft, the box would open up, allowing the supplies to free fall to the ground. Although some supplies were destroyed upon impact, enough survived the drop to make this method worthwhile. MREs were tested an fine, even when dropped from 15k feet and higher

late 1970s - my first engineering job out of college was with one of the first honeycomb manufacturers for the civilian market - did some USAF joint projects to upgrade the airborne delivery system in use at the time - replaced a lot of wood crating with bin boxes and reinforced fiber drums ....

my boss was a retired career USAF colonel that engineered around the existing patents to expand the honeycomb manufacturing - had all kinds of connections down at Scott AFB St Louis .....
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
There are still some American citizens being held in Gaza as well as however many Israeli hostages that might be alive at this point. I wish "leadership" would have held off from providing ANY humanitarian aid unless ALL hostages and American citizens were returned first. FJB should demand that before providing supplies - but of course he won't. This is about appeasing his Muslim voters in Michigan and the "Free Palestine" radicals for his reelection. It's likely to get some of our service members killed and he doesn't care. FJB!
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Aaannnd when we're done giving aid to Gaza/Hamas will we take it with us? Wait.....

We will never be done giving aid to the enemy...I mean those poor poor Gazans.

Besides now Iran can run guns direct into Gaza and don't have to go through Egypt, underground. Makes it a lot easier for Iran. I'm sure they will appreciate it.
 

jward

passin' thru
MIDE
Sal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping) ⚓☠️
@mercoglianos

Quick update on the #Gaza Pier.

The @USArmy
has dispatched elements of the 7th Transportation Group over the past few days

Three LSVs have sortied - USAV Besson, Clinger & Loux.

They have also sent with Loux, three smaller LCU 2000s - Monterey, Metamoras & Wilson's Wharf. These will take 30 days to cross the Atlantic and Med.

Why don't we have a heavy lift ship in the @DOTMARAD
RRF or under charter to @MSCSealift
.

[Maybe convert USNS Montford Point for this mission?]

View: https://youtu.be/98_gzyt9N-Y

View: https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1767621281086587130?s=20
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Aaannnd when we're done giving aid to Gaza/Hamas will we take it with us? Wait.....

We will never be done giving aid to the enemy...I mean those poor poor Gazans.

Besides now Iran can run guns direct into Gaza and don't have to go through Egypt, underground. Makes it a lot easier for Iran. I'm sure they will appreciate it.
NOT exactly. NOTHING will be coming in on the new "port" that has NOT been cleared in Cyprus, IDF soldiers are inspecting ANYTHING coming in.
 

Wildweasel

F-4 Phantoms Phorever
All this will do is extend the conflict, and possibly broaden it.

Shadow
I see it as all a set-up to draw the US into taking over responsibility for cleaning up Gaza and putting together a functioning government. All while footing the bill and taking the casualties

Like that nation-building shit all worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. Guess Biden's State Department big brains are pushing it saying "We're better than those guys were.", even though they're being led by "those guys".
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
ABC Radio News reporting that the US Army 7th Support Brigade is being deployed to the Middle East to put this port for Gaza in place and operation.

ETA: Correction- 7th Transportation Brigade.
 
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jward

passin' thru
Konstantin Toropin
@KToropin

One wild detail I learned today --

All four of the Army vessels that deployed today in support of the JLOTS mission are captained by either Warrant Officers or Senior NCOs

....that's a CRAZY culture difference from the Navy.







military.com


Soldiers Said Goodbye to Loved Ones as Army Ships Set Sail to Gaza to Build Pier for Aid Delivery​




FORT EUSTIS, Virginia -- On a small, tucked away pier just off the James River, the sounds of Lee Greenwood and Toby Keith blared over the water as soldiers hugged their kids and spouses and the gantry of a large Army landing ship slowly began to close behind them.
The soldiers were all part of the 7th Transportation Brigade (Expeditionary) -- 7th TBX, for short -- and they were getting ready to man four transportation ships that set sail Tuesday morning bound for Gaza, where months of the Israel-Hamas war have pushed the civilian population to the brink of starvation.
The brigade is set to play a key role in relieving a growing humanitarian crisis in Gaza that has sparked deep concerns around the world. Soldiers with the 7th TBX have been tasked with building a literal bridge across the water to deliver food aid to the Palestinians trapped in the ongoing violence since October.

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"We have transported personnel supplies across many waters around the world, and this is no different," their commander, Col. Samuel Miller, told reporters assembled pierside to watch the deployment. "We understand the importance of this mission. ... We will forge across the water to deliver humanitarian assistance."
The four ships -- the Logistics Support Vessel SP4 James A. Loux and Landing Craft Utility Wilson Wharf, Matamoros, and Monterrey -- are the latest to set sail for the Middle East to help set up a temporary pier that President Joe Biden announced at his State of the Union address last week in an effort to get more aid and supplies into the besieged territory.

After roughly 30 days of sailing, the ships will arrive in the Middle East and spend roughly a month setting up the system of two piers -- an offshore pier where civilian ships will offload the aid, and a working or "trident pier" that will be anchored to the shore of Gaza.
These piers are made up of large metal pontoons that are connected together like building blocks, and the trident pier can be anywhere from 800 feet up to 2,000 feet long. A document provided by the Army says that this pier is then “flanked by tugboats or modular causeway ferries and driven or ‘stabbed’ into the shore.”

According to the unit's commanding general, Brig. Gen. John "Brad" Hinson, these soldiers are part of the roughly 500 that will deploy from the 7th TBX to make the plan a reality.
"These types of units like 7th TBX ... they're ready to deploy on very, very short notice," Hinson said.
Miller said the Army's first vessel left "36 hours after the president made that statement in the State of the Union address."
Chief Warrant Officer 3 Benjamin Tate told reporters that he and his soldiers found out about their deployment last week.
"I'm excited -- I get to go do my job," Tate said before adding that "the downside is, I have to leave my family."
"We're extremely proud that we get to participate in humanitarian relief," said the chief warrant officer, who serves as the James Loux's chief engineer. "I know me personally, if my family was in that situation, I'd want somebody to be willing to help."

The Logistics Support Vessel SP4 James A. Loux sails down the James River near Fort Eustis, Virginia, as she begins her journey to the waters off of Gaza as part of the mission to build a pier for humanitarian aid deliveries into the wartorn area. (Military.com photo by Konstantin Toropin)
Army leaders told reporters that aside from recently practicing the pier-building capability during a major exercise last year in Australia, the Army had employed it in 2010 to deliver aid to Haiti and resupply the National Science Foundation in Antarctica last year.
In contrast to a Navy ship deployment, the soldiers on the pier were overwhelmingly enlisted or chief warrant officers -- and much fewer in number.
"Key to this operation ... is our warrant officers and our noncommissioned officers and enlisted soldiers," Miller said.
The James Roux, for example, only has a crew of around 30 people and is led by a warrant officer "vessel master."
In fact, Army officials told Military.com that all four of the vessels that set sail Tuesday were led by either warrants or senior enlisted noncommissioned officers.

Army officials reiterated assertions made by Pentagon officials last week that no U.S. troops will actually go ashore in Gaza.
Miller said anchoring the pier to the beach will require "kind of a digging-out of an area and then some anchoring that we'll need assistance with," but he added that "we don't see any issues with that."
Army officials refused to answer questions about how the security or force protection aspects of the mission will work.
Hinson explained that the plan right now is to have goods arrive on civilian ships to one of two screening locations on shore in the region where they will be screened. Then, they will proceed to the first pier to offload the aid where it will be screened again.
"You will not see any type of civilian vessel that is actually going to the trident pier; they will offload two to three miles away," Hinson explained.

From there, Army watercraft will move the aid to the land-based pier where, according to Hinson, soldiers "will try to keep as much distance as possible away from the shore" but stressed that "our job is to work on this pier and to move rolling stock and rolling cargo from the vessels onto the shore."
Pentagon officials told reporters Friday that ultimately around 1,000 service members will be involved in the operation, and Hinson said that the Navy's Beach Group 1 has been tasked to assist. "They will also have watercraft; they will have working tugs and causeway systems that can pair in to the capabilities that the Army has," he said.
A Navy spokesperson confirmed that "the Navy will deploy Naval Beach Group 1, comprised of units from Amphibious Construction Battalion, Beachmaster Unit 1, and Assault Craft Unit 1, and augmented by the Navy Expeditionary Logistics Support Force" but wasn't able to immediately offer more specifics.

The Navy also announced that it will deploy the USNS Roy Benavidez -- "a Bob Hope-class roll-on, roll-off vehicle cargo ship to assist with logistics and humanitarian response mission tasking."
The Benavidez is typically held in a "reduced operating status" by the U.S. Maritime Administration but can be reactivated within five days, according to Navy officials.
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