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Migrant Caravan: Thousands Move Into Guatemala, Hoping To Reach U.S.

Migrant Caravan: Thousands Move Into Guatemala, Hoping To Reach U.S.
Jason BeaubienJanuary 18, 20213:50 PM ET
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A Honduran migrant woman carries a child on her back as they travel with other migrants by foot along a highway in Chiquimula, Guatemala, on Saturday, in hopes of reaching the U.S. border.
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Guatemala security forces are attempting to block thousands of Honduran migrants from heading north towards Mexico and the U.S. border.

On Sunday, police and soldiers in riot gear confronted a caravan of migrants from Honduras on a highway near Chiquimula in southeastern Guatemala. After a tense standoff, in which police fired tear gas and attempted to beat back the migrants with batons, the surging crowd broke through a phalanx of soldiers.

Guillermo Díaz, Guatemala's top immigration official, says that since Friday 7,000-8,000 Hondurans have crossed in to Guatemala in an "irregular" manner.

"We are very concerned about this situation," Díaz says in a video on his department's Facebook page. "These people who've formed this caravan or are forming into a caravan...is a very difficult situation to manage." Guatemala has set up checkpoints on main roads leading to and from the Honduran border. However, Díaz says many of the migrants have left the main roads and are now arriving in towns in the middle of the country. Officials are very worried, he adds, because another group of roughly the same size is on its way.

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"We hope this situation stops," he says. "And this flow of migrants ends."

Mexican authorities praised the Guatemalan government's forceful response to the migrants. Mexico has beefed up security on its own southern border with Guatemala in anticipation of the caravan. Mexico also sent six buses south to help transport Hondurans back to their home country. The Mexican Secretary for Foreign Affairs issued a statement calling on Honduran officials to do more to stop the "irregular flow" of citizens through the region.

But migrants in the caravan say they have little choice but to march north.

"We don't want to live in Honduras anymore," Ana Murillo told the French news agency Agence France-Presse. Standing with a group of migrants beside a busy road in southern Guatemala, she says Hondurans have been badly affected by hurricanes Eta and Iota, which slammed into the country in November. Honduras also suffers from incredibly high rates of violent crime and the pandemic has crippled the economy.

"There isn't any work. There are no opportunities," she says. A light blue cloth face mask hangs from her chin, several bags and children are at her feet. "We are leaving because we don't want to suffer further."

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Honduran migrants clash with Guatemalan soldiers in Vado Hondo, Guatemala, on Sunday.
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Another migrant, Miguel Angel, tells AFP he's heading north now because he believes U.S. immigration policy will change once Joe Biden takes office as president.

"I have hope and faith in God, and in the good person that the United States has chosen," he says.

"Biden is a good person and isn't the same as the administration that's just ended."

But his chances of making it to the U.S./Mexico border are far less than they were a few years ago. In October 2020, another caravan of Hondurans dispersed before it got across Guatemala, and Guatemalan officials said they sent more than 3,000 Hondurans home from that group.

In 2019, Mexico deployed National Guard troops to its southern border to deter Central Americans from trying to cross.

Ariel Ruiz Soto, a policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., says he doesn't think it's likely that many of the Hondurans in this current caravan will make it all the way to the U.S. frontier. "I suspect that if this caravan actually made it to the Guatemalan/Mexico border that there would be even the heavier presence of (Mexican) National Guard to try to detain the migrants," he says. "We saw this again in October. That caravan really stopped in Guatemala at that time. So I don't foresee them getting to the U.S./Mexico border in large numbers."

Before the pandemic, nationals from Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua were able to travel freely across each other's borders. Officials now are requiring a negative coronavirus test to cross. Some migrant advocates say this requirement is being used to block some refugees from seeking asylum abroad.

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Honduran migrants, part of a caravan heading to the United States, stand in front of a police cordon in Vado Hondo, Guatemala on Sunday.
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Tom Jawetz, vice president of immigration policy at the Center for American Progress, agrees with Ruiz that this current caravan is unlikely to turn into a crisis for the Biden administration during its first few weeks in office.

"In 2018, in advance of the election there were a lot people holding their breath about caravans that dissipated long before they ever came close to the United States border," Jawetz says.

Despite that, he says the incoming Biden team can't ignore immigration and the immigration policies of the outgoing Trump administration for long.

"A number of the steps that were taken by the last administration to try to deter people from coming to the country where not only illegal, but unconscionable," he says.

Humans have been migrating since prehistoric times. Migration isn't going to stop. Even if this caravan doesn't make it to the U.S. border, other migrants are already there waiting. Some other potential migrants may view the change in administration in Washington as an opportunity to try to enter.

"Even if that were the case, to what ends would you go in order to head that off?" Jawetz asks. "Would you have them violate U.S. law, international law, and prevent people from requesting asylum at the border? Would you have them take their children away in order to send fear into the hearts of families throughout the region?"

Soon after he takes office, Biden is going to have to face the big questions around what Jawetz calls the U.S.'s "broken" immigration system.
 

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Another migrant, Miguel Angel, tells AFP he's heading north now because he believes U.S. immigration policy will change once Joe Biden takes office as president.

"I have hope and faith in God, and in the good person that the United States has chosen," he says.

"Biden is a good person and isn't the same as the administration that's just ended."
 

Bps1691

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Wonder how long it is before the Harris/Bidden administration re-starts the Obomination's ad campaign down in South America to tell them how to come and how to beat the "system"?
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
And, When they see the Communism emerging under Biden/Harris THEY WILL, By the tens of thousands daily, TURN TAIL AND RUN BACK OUT, BEFORE the totalitarian, BORDER DOORS LOCK THEM IN!
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
Oh Noooooooo. What about the most deadly disease the world has ever seen??? Whatever shall we do?? Uncle Joe will know! Maybe he will make them all wear masks and everything will be OTAY... :kaid:
 

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Redleg

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Some how I don't see Mexico letting them walk thru spreading more rona virus. It may be harder this time to head north in a large group. Wouldn't be surprised if they started breaking into smaller groups to make the journey north.
But on the bright side, if they get here and start spreading the rona virus, it could force the administration to close the boarder.:xpnd:Nah that never happen. To many new Democrap voters just waiting to get in. They'll hand them mask and voter registration then bus them off.
 

PghPanther

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and in other news.........."Biden cabinet promises Brazil 2.0 for the US population before the end of their first term"

and in another story.........." Jackson and Sharpton cry.......just when we get the PC media/educational indoctrination beat down on Whitey in place........now the Browns will push us to the bottom of the barrel again"
 
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TKO

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Some how I don't see Mexico letting them walk thru spreading more rona virus. It may be harder this time to head north in a large group. Wouldn't be surprised if they started breaking into smaller groups to make the journey north.
But on the bright side, if they get here and start spreading the rona virus, it could force the administration to close the boarder.:xpnd:Nah that never happen. To many new Democrap voters just waiting to get in. They'll hand them mask and voter registration then bus them off.
They do not need voters anymore as long as they have "votes". Voters are such a thing of the past.
 

Terrwyn

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It is kind of shocking to me that there is so little compassion for this amount of suffering from so many people that consider themselves to be Christians. Yes I understand you don't want to be invaded but at least pray for these pour souls that have lost everything in those hurricanes. And where are all the International Aid Agencies in that mess?
Flame away.
 

kiawahman

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Every major country in the world that has its head even slightly above water has the same refugee problems. Droughts, famine, government corruption, civil wars, floods, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, diseases, and now Covid are all causing a ginamic exodus and relocation of millions/billions of people that will increase with time. These conditions will only become worse, the number of refugees becoming even greater.

It's sad, and my heart goes out to these poor disillusioned and hopeless people, but what they need to understand is that they can run-but they can't hide from the devil and conditions they're facing. They need to fix and rebuild the issues they have at home and quit looking to pull us down to their level by selfishly invading our country. We have our own serious issues that we are struggling to fix - and mostly failing.

Efforts are made by the US and other nations whenever there is a catastrophic event in a poor country, only to see much of the money send end up in corrupt officials bank accounts, while food, medicines, and re-building supplies are stolen by rebels and gangs to end up on the black market.

I do not know the answer, but I do understand the capacity label on a life boat
 

BassMan

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It is kind of shocking to me that there is so little compassion for this amount of suffering from so many people that consider themselves to be Christians. Yes I understand you don't want to be invaded but at least pray for these pour souls that have lost everything in those hurricanes. And where are all the International Aid Agencies in that mess?
Flame away.

No flame. The problems seem to be hunger, safety, health and opportunity.

The US is already "crushed" though, by uncontrolled debt and lost jobs. We're about to be HAMMERED by legalizing the illegals, and uncontrolled immigration. There is nothing "magic" about the US land. If you bring the problems here, the problems are here.

How about solutions that do not involve them coming to the US?
 

Faroe

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It is kind of shocking to me that there is so little compassion for this amount of suffering from so many people that consider themselves to be Christians. Yes I understand you don't want to be invaded but at least pray for these pour souls that have lost everything in those hurricanes. And where are all the International Aid Agencies in that mess?
Flame away.
People are tribal. Always have been, probably always will be. How much compassion are you planning to have when you and your family are all dead, and they are living in your house? There aren't enough resources here to go around at it is. Something's got to give. It's us or them. Choose.
 

RB Martin

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It is kind of shocking to me that there is so little compassion for this amount of suffering from so many people that consider themselves to be Christians. Yes I understand you don't want to be invaded but at least pray for these pour souls that have lost everything in those hurricanes. And where are all the International Aid Agencies in that mess?
Flame away.
Their own countries can't help them because they are corrupt and have the same policies in effect that we are adopting here now. Socialism/Communism destroys a countries wealth. Everyone except the leadership (nomenklatura) become slaves.

There is no compassion in socialism. Wake up!
 

RB Martin

Veteran Member
By the way, this whole thing is vote buying using our tax dollars. The government promises them benefits and they flock to our country and vote for the party providing the bribes. There is nothing "Christian" in this process.
 

20Gauge

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Their own countries can't help them because they are corrupt and have the same policies in effect that we are adopting here now. Socialism/Communism destroys a countries wealth. Everyone except the leadership (nomenklatura) become slaves.

There is no compassion in socialism. Wake up!
I am enjoying the fact that they caravans are "currently" being broken up. They in fact are using violence to stop the caravans when they rush the borders.

I know this won't last, but I am going to enjoy it while it lasts.

Just like the wall, before they start tearing it down.
 

Dafodil

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I am enjoying the fact that they caravans are "currently" being broken up. They in fact are using violence to stop the caravans when they rush the borders.

I know this won't last, but I am going to enjoy it while it lasts.

Just like the wall, before they start tearing it down.
That is a nice wall! Shame to anyone who tears it down! Maybe MX will pay for it to be put back up!
 

BassMan

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My only hope, is that any legalization efforts of the "11M" (30M?) includes efforts to slow future immigration. Past amnesty efforts did that.
 

Craftypatches

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And why doesn’t the Covid restrictions stop this? Although I know why! Everything else is restricted for Covid! Why let these sick animals in At this time? Rules only apply when they are useful to the agenda!
 

Murt

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We need to get the message to them that California and New York have WAY better benefits than the rest of the country
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Maybe this is why so many people are moving to Alaska, even the WILDERNESS AREAS!
Some ( Californians ) I watched on TV moving to AK come to choose a home IN THE SUMMER, and expected to bring their soft life, comforts, and other CA liberal “perks” with them and will obviously NOT probably last long there without them.
BUT, they sure had the MONEY to pay up to a million or so for an Alaska home!
 
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