GOV/MIL The Pentagon mistakes behind the rout of the Afghan army

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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The collapse of the Afghan army that allowed Taliban fighters to take control of Kabul cast a stark light on errors committed over 20 years by the Pentagon as it spent billions of dollars in Afghanistan.

The wrong equipment
Washington spent $83 billion in its effort to create a modern army mirroring its own. In practical terms, that meant huge dependence on air support and a high-tech communications network in a country where only 30 percent of the population can count on a reliable electricity supply.

Airplanes, helicopters, drones, armored vehicles, night-vision goggles: the United States spared no expense in equipping the Afghan army. It recently even provided the Afghans with the latest Black Hawk attack helicopters.
But the Afghans — many of them illiterate young men in a country lacking the infrastructure to support cutting-edge military equipment — were unable to mount a serious resistance against a less-equipped and ostensibly badly outnumbered foe.
Their capabilities were seriously overestimated, according to John Sopko, the US special inspector general for Afghanistan reconstruction (SIGAR).

Each time he tried to evaluate the Afghan army, he said, “the US military changed the goalposts, and made it easier to show success. And then finally, when they couldn’t even do that, they classified the assessment tool.
“So they knew how bad the Afghan military was.”

His office’s latest report to Congress, filed last week, said that “advanced weapons systems, vehicles and logistics used by Western militaries were beyond the capabilities of the largely illiterate and uneducated Afghan force.”

– Exaggerated numbers –
For months, Pentagon officials have insisted on what they said was the numerical advantage held by the Afghan forces — supposedly with 300,000 men in the army and the police — over the Taliban, estimated to number some 70,000.

But those army numbers were greatly inflated, according to the Combating Terrorism Center at the prestigious US Military Academy at West Point, New York.

As of July 2020, by its own estimate, the 300,000 included only 185,000 army troops or special operations forces under Defense Ministry control, with police and other security personnel making up the rest.
And barely 60 percent of the Afghan army troops were trained fighters, the West Point analysts said.
A more accurate estimate of the army’s fighting strength — once the 8,000 air force personnel are taken out of the equation — is 96,000, they concluded.

The SIGAR report said desertions have always been a problem for the Afghan army.
It found that in 2020, the Afghan army had to replace 25 percent of its force each year — largely because of desertions — and that American soldiers working with the Afghans came to see this rate as “normal.”

– Half-hearted promises –
American officials have repeatedly vowed that they would continue to support the Afghan army after August 31 — the date announced for completing the withdrawal of US troops — but they have never explained how this would be done logistically.
During his last visit to Kabul, in May, US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin raised the possibility of helping the Afghans maintain their air force — from afar — through an approach he called “over the horizon” logistics.

That vague concept implied the use of virtual training sessions with video conferencing on the Zoom platform — an approach that seems illusory given the need for the Afghans to have computers or smartphones with well-functioning wi-fi connections.
Ronald Neumann, a former US ambassador to Kabul, believes the American military “could have taken more time” to withdraw.
The agreement reached by the Trump administration with the Taliban called for a complete withdrawal of foreign forces by May 1.
Trump’s successor Joe Biden pushed that date back, originally to September 11 before changing it again to August 31.
But he also decided to withdraw all American citizens from the country, including the contractors who play a key role in supporting US logistics there.

“We built an air force that depended on contractors for maintenance and then pulled the contractors,” Neumann, who was ambassador under President George W. Bush, told NPR public radio.

Unpaid and unfed
Worse, the salaries of the Afghan army had been paid for years by the Pentagon. But from the moment the American army announced its planned withdrawal in April, responsibility for those payments fell on the Kabul government.
Numerous Afghan soldiers have complained on social media that they not only have not been paid in months, in many instances their units were no longer receiving food or supplies — not even ammunition.
The rapid US withdrawal provided a final blow.

“We profoundly shocked the Afghan army and morale by pulling out and pulling our air cover,” said Neumann.

 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Thanks for this.

Not usually what I like to read w/ my 1st coffee (well, 3rd really) but it confirms a few things for me.

Along w/ the inappropriate level of equipage/training/expectations, I'm still struggling w/ the never-ending fixation with exporting American Democracy to people totally unsuited to receive the message. What America has, flawed/imperfect or not, did not suddenly appear fully formed and running one morning.

Its the end result of a couple of centuries of bloody struggle and re-invention, carried out by Americans and is still a work in progress.

If the Afghanis, or any other group, aspire to a better national life, they'll likely have to build their own version, in their own time which means they're going to have to fight for it.

Force feeding our system and values to such people doesn't have a great track record.
 

Murt

Veteran Member
One of our biggest failures --IMO-- is trying to put our values and our culture on others---in most cases that lack the ability to grasp or even appreciate they way we live
and may not want to live as we do
when we do that we have failed coming out of the gate
Also we allow our "leaders" to get us into conflicts that we have no moral authority to be involved in and spend our national capital-money and blood- in places that we have no need to be
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
One of our biggest failures --IMO-- is trying to put our values and our culture on others---in most cases that lack the ability to grasp or even appreciate they way we live
and may not want to live as we do
when we do that we have failed coming out of the gate
Also we allow our "leaders" to get us into conflicts that we have no moral authority to be involved in and spend our national capital-money and blood- in places that we have no need to be
The gentleman from GA makes a couple of points worth considering ....
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
One of my old friends from work was a Vietnam era Special Forces soldier. While jungle boots were still issue items, he used to tell his students "I have boots older than you." Since the date of manufacture was stamped in purple ink in the top band of the boot, he could prove it.

Look up grizzled warrior in the dictionary and you'd likely find his picture. When A'stan cranked up, he was assigned to help train the ANA - the new Afghan National Army. The bad guys took exception to the ANA and its trainers and rocketed them regularly. The ANA used recoilless rifles - only the bad guys were using rockets. Said rockets were for sale in every marketplace, "In the handy two pack" as he put it. The rockets were shipped with the fuses not installed.

In Vietnam there were several programs that sabotaged captured enemy munitions and returned them to the supply line. Any grunt here might recall prohibitions aginst firing captured enemy weapons. Guess why? The folks pulling these nefarious schemes were MACV-SOG. For more details see Project Eldest Son - Wikipedia .

My friend wanted to rig some rockets so the warhead would go off when the fuse was screwed in. And return them to inventory. Command was HORRIFIED. And said NO WAY.

So my friend retired. I never thought he would.

Now you maybe have a better idea why you are seeing what you see on teevee........
 

lostinaz

Senior Member
Now, with a special bonus that our enemies are especially well armed and our border is especially porous. The terrible thing is that the military (and leadership) knew all this. They knew damned well that the Afgans can't hold their own army together (much less PAY them) and were illiterate goat herders, but darnit they were going to train them to be blackhawk pilots. They can now very easily supply all kinds of bad guys will all the nasty toys they want. There is a huge marketplace for this now. Stocked WITH OUR STUFF PAID FOR BY US! We should be shelling all the base armories and grounded planes. Almost like they planned for this to happen. Hmmm. No, that's not going to bite us in the butt at all....
 
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Night Breeze

Veteran Member
Trump would have had to have the entire order of battle rewritten after Obama left the white house and like his other campaign promises he said he was going to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. Hi s military withdrawal was as well planned as possible with the deadlines the prior admin had established, and most of the equipment was already in theatre and was being use by US forces. Biden went against the grain and had the Pentagon change all plans that Trump had approved. Reminds you of all the executive orders biden's team wrote. I am sure the professional analysts were well aware of how weak the withdrawal plans were, how easy the card house could crumble and even the chosen leaders at the pentagon were left over losers from Obama's days. But Biden not their to nation bill assumed the Taliban would fight and govern as civilized, responsible governments would do. The Taliban live in caves and are true guerilla fighters that find ways to make a cell phone into a bomb. The rewards are Biden's to reap. Hope he chokes on it, My estimate is 30,000 afghans, 25,000 no combatants, 15,000 allied noncombatants and 10,000 military to evacuate. Big problem and short of heavy bombing, cruise missiles, TAC nukes,if the Taliban want to fight they will.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Trump would have had to have the entire order of battle rewritten after Obama left the white house and like his other campaign promises he said he was going to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. Hi s military withdrawal was as well planned as possible with the deadlines the prior admin had established, and most of the equipment was already in theatre and was being use by US forces. Biden went against the grain and had the Pentagon change all plans that Trump had approved. Reminds you of all the executive orders biden's team wrote. I am sure the professional analysts were well aware of how weak the withdrawal plans were, how easy the card house could crumble and even the chosen leaders at the pentagon were left over losers from Obama's days. But Biden not their to nation bill assumed the Taliban would fight and govern as civilized, responsible governments would do. The Taliban live in caves and are true guerilla fighters that find ways to make a cell phone into a bomb. The rewards are Biden's to reap. Hope he chokes on it, My estimate is 30,000 afghans, 25,000 no combatants, 15,000 allied noncombatants and 10,000 military to evacuate. Big problem and short of heavy bombing, cruise missiles, TAC nukes,if the Taliban want to fight they will.

With the US/NATO forces pushed into such a small perimeter, the Taliban will very likely choose to "grab their belt buckles" and force any CAS to be in very "danger close" delivery, with all the risks that entails. That doesn't even get into the logistical problems of water, food and especially ammunition if it goes hot and they can no longer get aircraft into and out of that airport.

So either it's AC-130s and A-10s and a level of PGM use on as small a warhead as available that's beyond anything since going after Daesh last in a "heavy way".
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
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