ECON The Last Piece Of The Puzzle Of The Totalitarian State | John Rubino (CBDC)

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The Last Piece Of The Puzzle Of The Totalitarian State | John Rubino
RT 38:52

14,851 views Premiered Dec 3, 2022
Founder of DollarCollapse.com, and co-author of “The Money Bubble” with John Turk, widely followed analyst John Rubino returns to Liberty and Finance to connect the dots to our current day and CBDCs as the last piece of the puzzle of the TOTALITARIAN STATE.

In this interview:
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- De-Industrialization of Europe a Setup for Fragility
- US Economy into Recession
- Housing Downturn
- Credit Suisse Bank Crisis the first Domino to Fall
- De-Risking Your Life
- CBDC Trial Runs: the last piece of the puzzle of the TOTALITARIAN STATE
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I heard they're doing the trial runs now in some countries, and will be doing them in MOST industrialized countries by May next year, with the plan being that if the trial run is "successful," to implement CBDC right away---as in, weeks, not months.

So we could have it fully in force by next summer.

Haven't listened to the video yet--this is what I've heard from other sources.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Remember when they said "Technology will set you free?"

"Did you want fries with your freedom?"
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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CBDC -- Central Bank Digital Currency

Another means to control society.

Texican....
Hubby and I have been trying to work through how this will be something successful. Meh. Not really seeing how this is going to work. While some illegals have bank accounts most do not. They are a cash-only population. They get paid in cash, don't pay taxes, spend cash only, they take that cash and convert it to money orders and foreign exchanges, etc. What happens to those millions of people if they change to a digital "currency"? They don't want amnesty because they don't want to pay taxes.

Then we have the gig economy. It is already being destroyed in various ways but is still alive and well in some areas. CBDC will completely disenfranchise this population and there will be a huge push back.

Then we have the minority populations that are cash-only because usually their credit is flocked up enough they can't get a bank account even at a check-cashing company.

A CBDC will also give creditors more to go after because even if the "currency" is in a cloud, that makes it getatable in a way cash hidden at home is not.

I'm farily certain that the .gov is NOT really taking all of that into account and when they try and transfer the currency to digital they are going to run into some serious issues at the voting booth as a result. Especially considering their base.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
Many people get paid without a bank account.

They now have pay cards where your paycheck is loaded onto the card directly from the employer.
A lot of Fast food people that either have never had one, or can’t get one, use them.

Eliminate cash and they can use those. So can teenagers, babysitters, lawn/pool boy etc.

That and none of the kids these days even use cards, they use their phones. Soon your phone will be ties to your digital ID and your paycheck will be routed to your phone, or your phone will route to your bank account.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Hubby and I have been trying to work through how this will be something successful. Meh. Not really seeing how this is going to work. While some illegals have bank accounts most do not. They are a cash-only population. They get paid in cash, don't pay taxes, spend cash only, they take that cash and convert it to money orders and foreign exchanges, etc. What happens to those millions of people if they change to a digital "currency"? They don't want amnesty because they don't want to pay taxes.

Then we have the gig economy. It is already being destroyed in various ways but is still alive and well in some areas. CBDC will completely disenfranchise this population and there will be a huge push back.

Then we have the minority populations that are cash-only because usually their credit is flocked up enough they can't get a bank account even at a check-cashing company.

A CBDC will also give creditors more to go after because even if the "currency" is in a cloud, that makes it getatable in a way cash hidden at home is not.

I'm farily certain that the .gov is NOT really taking all of that into account and when they try and transfer the currency to digital they are going to run into some serious issues at the voting booth as a result. Especially considering their base.
Belly laugh to the max, voting booth, more laughing........
 

raven

TB Fanatic
yes, yes, sure . . . Elon Musk, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet are going to exchange their m billions for CBDCs

CBDCs will be for the useless eaters and non-essential jobbers
on welfare, food stamps, disability, and social security
and wait staff, delivery drivers, landscapers, etc.

Pot shops, liquor stores, pizza parlors, and strip clubs - anything run by he mafia - will still use money.

be a good idea to have some of each although that percentage is like estimating what percent of your portfolio is in precious metal.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
Hubby and I have been trying to work through how this will be something successful. Meh. Not really seeing how this is going to work. While some illegals have bank accounts most do not. They are a cash-only population. They get paid in cash, don't pay taxes, spend cash only, they take that cash and convert it to money orders and foreign exchanges, etc. What happens to those millions of people if they change to a digital "currency"? They don't want amnesty because they don't want to pay taxes.

Then we have the gig economy. It is already being destroyed in various ways but is still alive and well in some areas. CBDC will completely disenfranchise this population and there will be a huge push back.

Then we have the minority populations that are cash-only because usually their credit is flocked up enough they can't get a bank account even at a check-cashing company.

A CBDC will also give creditors more to go after because even if the "currency" is in a cloud, that makes it getatable in a way cash hidden at home is not.

I'm farily certain that the .gov is NOT really taking all of that into account and when they try and transfer the currency to digital they are going to run into some serious issues at the voting booth as a result. Especially considering their base.
There won't be any cash.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Many people get paid without a bank account.

They now have pay cards where your paycheck is loaded onto the card directly from the employer.
A lot of Fast food people that either have never had one, or can’t get one, use them.

Eliminate cash and they can use those. So can teenagers, babysitters, lawn/pool boy etc.

That and none of the kids these days even use cards, they use their phones. Soon your phone will be ties to your digital ID and your paycheck will be routed to your phone, or your phone will route to your bank account.
This goes to what KathyFL said.....

All those illegals do have phones. I believe that will be the avenue they will go through and not cards.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I am not denegrating anyone here but it is apparent by some responses that you really don’t interact economically with the working poor and working destitute.

You also may not realize that using cash cards often come with a convenience fee.

Drug dealers don’t take cash cards. Some liquor stores don’t take certain types of cash cards. Some types of cash cards aren’t accepted by some businesses or for some types of transactions. That alone is going to create significant bookkeeping issues.

The homeless aren’t looking for cash cards as they can’t be spent on many things in their world including flop houses.

The list goes on and on.

There are a lot of tracking issues and loss of privacy involved in this move to digital currency. People better wake up.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
I am not denegrating anyone here but it is apparent by some responses that you really don’t interact economically with the working poor and working destitute.

You also may not realize that using cash cards often come with a convenience fee.

Drug dealers don’t take cash cards. Some liquor stores don’t take certain types of cash cards. Some types of cash cards aren’t accepted by some businesses or for some types of transactions. That alone is going to create significant bookkeeping issues.

The homeless aren’t looking for cash cards as they can’t be spent on many things in their world including flop houses.

The list goes on and on.

There are a lot of tracking issues and loss of privacy involved in this move to digital currency. People better wake up.
I do agree that there will be issues. A lot of them. I also agree that cards will not be it. Yes, a LOT of people here have no idea how the underground system works. They have a glimmer, but no real idea. I have been there and lived there for a period of time in my life.

What I believe it will be a phone app that makes this work for 99%.

The other 1% or so?

No one will care. They will declare it a success even before the first 1% have used it.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I am not denegrating anyone here but it is apparent by some responses that you really don’t interact economically with the working poor and working destitute.

You also may not realize that using cash cards often come with a convenience fee.

Drug dealers don’t take cash cards. Some liquor stores don’t take certain types of cash cards. Some types of cash cards aren’t accepted by some businesses or for some types of transactions. That alone is going to create significant bookkeeping issues.

The homeless aren’t looking for cash cards as they can’t be spent on many things in their world including flop houses.

The list goes on and on.

There are a lot of tracking issues and loss of privacy involved in this move to digital currency. People better wake up.
Do you think anyone in the government CARES?!

I'm curious about what the Amish will do. Most of them have bank accounts, but operate solely on cash for everything, only writing a check if they have to mail a payment somewhere.

And they are deeply suspicious of government overreach... the minute "the government" tries to demand they all have an account and a card... it will be forbidden in the church.

Summerthyme
 

Dozdoats

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Cashless: making drug dealers’ lives easier
Categories : Cash generates security, Cash is trust
February 20, 2018
Tags : Branches, Cash, Cashless, Technology, United Kingdom

As businesses and individuals in the UK increasingly use contactless and cashless payments, the question remains whether a fully cashless society would truly benefit all members of society./snip
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Do you think anyone in the government CARES?!

I'm curious about what the Amish will do. Most of them have bank accounts, but operate solely on cash for everything, only writing a check if they have to mail a payment somewhere.

And they are deeply suspicious of government overreach... the minute "the government" tries to demand they all have an account and a card... it will be forbidden in the church.

Summerthyme

Care in terms of sympathy or empathy? No. However they will “care” when their application screws up and creates significant opposition in their own base. When it screws around with taxing. When the tech they depend on fails. Etc.
 

Dux

Veteran Member
The illegals will get their free pass, so cash will be with us. The likes of us, not so much. In Mexico, the regular folk have bank accounts but no checks. Money is moved from one to another via transfer. Think paypal/venmo.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Cashless: making drug dealers’ lives easier
Categories : Cash generates security, Cash is trust
February 20, 2018
Tags : Branches, Cash, Cashless, Technology, United Kingdom

As businesses and individuals in the UK increasingly use contactless and cashless payments, the question remains whether a fully cashless society would truly benefit all members of society./snip

Yep, they are going to have to dramatically increase bandwidth before implementing a cashless society.
 

Dozdoats

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How Prepaid Cards Played A Role In El Chapo’s Global Drug Operation
BY PYMNTS
FEBRUARY 13, 2019

Prepaid Cards In El Chapo’s Drug Operation
The story goes something like this: During the reign of drug kingpin Pablo Escobar — estimated to have supplied up to 80 percent of the cocaine to the U.S. at the height of his business — his cartel was taking in so much cash that the organization’s accountants made allowances for the 10 percent that would rot via water damage or be consumed by rats.

That story, repeated in at least two books about Escobar, may or may not be exaggerated. But it covers the main challenge faced in the illegal drug trade: getting product into a specific location and getting their earnings out in a way that does not trigger anti-money laundering defenses.

Now, the recently concluded trial of Joaquín Guzmán Loera — the Mexican drug lord known as “El Chapo,” a man very likely to spend the rest of his life in a U.S. federal prison — shows how the money laundering game now stands for those global suppliers of cocaine, heroin and other illegal drugs. Prepaid debit cards are playing an important role.

Too Much Cash

Accounts from the testimony of Guzmán — who ran the Sinaloa Cartel — show a business that found ingenious ways to run drugs across the U.S.-Mexico border (sophisticated tunnels, modified trains and rail spurs, even jalapeño cans designed to fool border inspectors), and whose main distribution points were Lost Angeles, Chicago and New York City. During the trial, prosecutors said Guzmán made some $14 billion in drug profits during a career that kicked off in 1990.

That’s a massive amount of money to handle.

That is especially true given that so much of the cash was in small bills, given the particular mechanics of the drug trade. According to an account of the trial in The Wall Street Journal, “The drug money often came back to Mexico in cars. In 1989, Mr. Guzmán’s brother, Arturo, was stopped as he was driving across the Arizona border carrying more than $1.2 million in cash.” As Guzmán prospered, he reportedly bought a “private jet (to) pick up the cash at the border and fly it back to Mexico City, where it would be wheeled in suitcases to be deposited at banks.” Each jet would carry $8 million or more.

But that wasn’t good enough for the cartel run by El Chapo.

Eventually, the organization had to rely on prepaid debit cards, specifically for moving money from “New York to Colombia and Ecuador to buy more cocaine.” Here’s how it worked, according to the Journal account: “The cartel used debit cards that could be loaded up with as much as $9,900 per card. Unlike cash, which is made of linen that can absorb drug residue and attract drug-sniffing dogs, debit cards can be easily cleaned. After the cards arrived in South America, the cartel hired workers to withdraw the money from ATMs.”

Favorite Methods

That fact, documented via testimony at Guzmán’s trial, points to changes in how international suppliers of illegal drugs move their earnings and make them clean in order to protect those gains from law enforcement.

According to the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, the prepaid card method used by the Sinaloa cartel is among the most common ways that drug dealers and other criminals launder money these days. “Prepaid access cards are used by criminals in a variety of ways,” the agency said. “Criminals can direct federal or state tax authorities to issue fraudulent tax refunds on prepaid debit cards.”

Another longstanding method used by drug dealers is trade-based money laundering, or TBML. According to the FBI, “in complex TBML schemes, criminals move merchandise, falsify its value and misrepresent trade-related financial transactions, often with the assistance of complicit merchants, in an effort to simultaneously disguise the origin of illicit proceeds and integrate them into the market. Once criminals exchange illicit cash for trade goods, it is difficult for law enforcement to trace the source of the illicit funds.”

Cash Endurance

That said, cash still remains popular with drug traffickers. That activity accounts for “probably the most significant single source of illicit cash,” the FBI noted. “Mexican drug trafficking organizations responsible for much of the United States’ drug supply commonly rely on multiple money laundering methods, including bulk cash smuggling, to move narcotics proceeds across the U.S.-Mexico border into Mexico.”

Money laundering, of course, is a constant danger that financial institutions and other payments-related firms guard against. Sometimes, the danger is apparently not worth the return on investment, at least when it comes to some banks along the U.S.-Mexico border. A report last year from the U.S. Government Accountability Office described how some banks along the border are closing branches because of the challenges of complying with AML regulations.

“The Southwest border region is a high-risk area for money laundering activity, in part because of a high volume of cash and cross-border transactions, according to bank representatives and others,” the report said. “These types of transactions may create challenges for Southwest border banks in complying with Bank Secrecy Act/anti-money laundering (BSA/AML) requirements, because they can lead to more intensive account monitoring and investigation of suspicious activity.”

The federal agency found that in 2016, “bank branches in the Southwest border region filed 2-1/2 times as many reports identifying potential money laundering or other suspicious activity (Suspicious Activity Reports), on average, as bank branches in other high-risk counties outside the region.” What’s more, “an estimated 80 percent (+/- 11 percent margin of error) of Southwest border banks terminated accounts for BSA/AML risk reasons.”

Drug suppliers will keep moving their products across borders, and it seems almost certain that while cash will continue to have a dominate role — and some banks will continue struggling with money laundering detection — debit cards are set for more use among those illicit business operations.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Do you think anyone in the government CARES?!

I'm curious about what the Amish will do. Most of them have bank accounts, but operate solely on cash for everything, only writing a check if they have to mail a payment somewhere.

And they are deeply suspicious of government overreach... the minute "the government" tries to demand they all have an account and a card... it will be forbidden in the church.

Summerthyme
Agreed. I expect arrests in their case
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
The illegals will get their free pass, so cash will be with us. The likes of us, not so much. In Mexico, the regular folk have bank accounts but no checks. Money is moved from one to another via transfer. Think paypal/venmo.
So it will be even easier for the illegals to move to the system than for most of us. They are already doing it on a small scale.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Agreed. I expect arrests in their case
That won't bother the Amish much... they have always been willing to go to jail for their beliefs. But I think framing this huge overreach as a religious liberty case would be a step too far ... it would wake a lot of folks up.

Summerthyme
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Hubby and I have been trying to work through how this will be something successful. Meh. Not really seeing how this is going to work. While some illegals have bank accounts most do not. They are a cash-only population. They get paid in cash, don't pay taxes, spend cash only, they take that cash and convert it to money orders and foreign exchanges, etc. What happens to those millions of people if they change to a digital "currency"? They don't want amnesty because they don't want to pay taxes.

Then we have the gig economy. It is already being destroyed in various ways but is still alive and well in some areas. CBDC will completely disenfranchise this population and there will be a huge push back.

Then we have the minority populations that are cash-only because usually their credit is flocked up enough they can't get a bank account even at a check-cashing company.

A CBDC will also give creditors more to go after because even if the "currency" is in a cloud, that makes it getatable in a way cash hidden at home is not.

I'm farily certain that the .gov is NOT really taking all of that into account and when they try and transfer the currency to digital they are going to run into some serious issues at the voting booth as a result. Especially considering their base.
Illegals will be exempt, like they are from everything else.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
As a general comment, I feel as if our sovereignty is generally under attack, and from all directions. Body sovereignty, control of our own wealth, our ability to speak, reductions of what we can learn, oppression by those doing wrong where we can not call it out, and other things... We're being challenged and pushed. How much more can we take? Our country and a great deal of the rest of the world has seemingly gone insane.

This CBDC stuff is just one more thing, and it harnesses a bunch of the other infringements of our Liberty together under the same yoke. I hate it.
 

subnet

Boot
There will always be those that operate outside of the accepted norm or those existing as the forgotten.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Yep, they are going to have to dramatically increase bandwidth before implementing a cashless society.
What happens when the 'cash' you take can no longer be recognized by the 'system'. IE: You can't deposit it as it's illegal to utilize?
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Illegals will be exempt, like they are from everything else.

I keep hearing this, but if employers can't get cash to pay illegals in cash, or the cash illegals get can't be spent at the grocer, etc. ... that answer just doesn't hold water. It is like a domino.

Yes, I think there is going to be some form of exemption but the narrowness of where that exemption can be spent, acquired, distributed, etc. is going to create a hellish accounting and bookkeeping problem.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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What happens when the 'cash' you take can no longer be recognized by the 'system'. IE: You can't deposit it as it's illegal to utilize?

This is exactly what we are working on a solution for.

Another problem that has come up is what if other countries don't/refuse to recognize our digital currency? Or the exchange rate for it is so bad we might as well not even bother? Because one potential solution for those that take in cash would be to "wash" it via a different currency such as a foreign one. There are lots of potential problems and dangers in this blackmarket approach up to and including a run-in with the cartels already mentioned.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment

New York Fed advances tests of CBDCs for cross-border payments
By John Adams
November 21, 2022, 10:11 a.m. EST
4 Min Read

Even as the high-profile FTX crash sent the cryptocurrency world scrambling once again, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York embarked on projects that could inform an expanded government role in digital currencies.

The New York Fed's innovation center and the Monetary Authority of Singapore have commenced work on an experiment that will investigate how wholesale central bank digital currencies can improve cross-border payments. In a separate project, the New York Fed's innovation lab is participating in a proof-of-concept test that will determine the feasibility of digital currencies operating in an interoperable network of financial institutions.

The work comes amid political disagreements over whether the U.S. should have a CBDC, and the introduction of China's digital yuan, which could threaten the dollar's position as the world's reserve currency.
/paywall
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
This is exactly what we are working on a solution for.

Another problem that has come up is what if other countries don't/refuse to recognize our digital currency? Or the exchange rate for it is so bad we might as well not even bother? Because one potential solution for those that take in cash would be to "wash" it via a different currency such as a foreign one. There are lots of potential problems and dangers in this blackmarket approach up to and including a run-in with the cartels already mentioned.
Would you take the Venezuelan route and accept silver or gold since it may not be excluded from ownership? It's a tough question when dealing with folks who are 'outside' of the system.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Look, I'm not saying this isn't going to happen. Hubby expects in two years they'll start phasing it in. Essentially it is one of my jobs to come up with reasons why things won't work for our business so we can find reasons and ways to make something work. Essentially I'm the technological innovator but to do this I have to wade through all the ways something won't work.

This digital currency stuff is definitely a conundrum for our business. We already struggle to get tenants to use technology and apps and other services to pay their rent due on time ... zelle, cash app, Amscot, etc ... because many if not most do not have a stable bank account for various reasons. We tenants that don't have cell phones or computers. About a third of our tenants are ESL (English is a second language for them). We have several tenants that are educationally and/or intellectually challenged/disadvantaged. Most of those that I've mentioned above are not foreign born.

I think @20Gauge is on to the correct plan in saying they'll make the use of digital currency a type of phone app and use those stupid coded squares as the method. Very similar to how many venues are now sending them as online tickets ... airlines already do it. However, to do it in mass like they will need to, and in real time, is going to require a LOT of bandwidth available at all times for the system to work. And it is going to required cell phone access and internet access to be vastly improved and made available all across this country. There are still "dead areas" here in Tampa. You know there are places like that in the Smokey Mountains, West Virginia, all up and down the Appalachians, and we even found a lot of places like that in California just las week. That is NOT going to happen in a two-year time frame like my husband and several people are thinking. The infrastructure just isn't there.

And I think that is the primary problem at the moment. Their desires are well behind the infrastructure that will allow them to implement it successfully.

So for us, what I am having to plan for is not necessarily the implementation of a digital currency ... its coming and no one can stop it. Too many are too stupid to see the danger. What I am having to try and plan for and address are the failures that are inevitable when this crapola is implemented.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Do you think anyone in the government CARES?!

I'm curious about what the Amish will do. Most of them have bank accounts, but operate solely on cash for everything, only writing a check if they have to mail a payment somewhere.

And they are deeply suspicious of government overreach... the minute "the government" tries to demand they all have an account and a card... it will be forbidden in the church.

Summerthyme
I have already asked for my Amish hat as a Christmas present. We have a large community of Amish here and I figured I could blend in.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Would you take the Venezuelan route and accept silver or gold since it may not be excluded from ownership? It's a tough question when dealing with folks who are 'outside' of the system.

If a stable exchange rate can be established. It's money. However, most of the people we deal with wouldn't have access to that type of currency. And I am not going to turn into some damn pawnbroker for people that want to exchange jewelry, etc. for their rent. Too much danger in dealing in stolen goods at that level, plus purity issues.

But, to have a stable exchange will likely mean coinage and we are back to the no-cash-only-digital mandates likely enforced at that point.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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New York Fed advances tests of CBDCs for cross-border payments
By John Adams
November 21, 2022, 10:11 a.m. EST
4 Min Read

Even as the high-profile FTX crash sent the cryptocurrency world scrambling once again, the Federal Reserve Bank of New York embarked on projects that could inform an expanded government role in digital currencies.

The New York Fed's innovation center and the Monetary Authority of Singapore have commenced work on an experiment that will investigate how wholesale central bank digital currencies can improve cross-border payments. In a separate project, the New York Fed's innovation lab is participating in a proof-of-concept test that will determine the feasibility of digital currencies operating in an interoperable network of financial institutions.

The work comes amid political disagreements over whether the U.S. should have a CBDC, and the introduction of China's digital yuan, which could threaten the dollar's position as the world's reserve currency.
/paywall

Yep. On the table and being discussed in depth. A digital currency is going to really put the US economy and US taxpayer in danger. Hubby and I have accelerated our plans and will likely be completely out of all debt (we are already and have been out of personal debt for decades) by end of 2023 or first quarter 2024. Some of that is already problematical for tax reasons so we may have to sell some properties and reinvest the money is more expensive properties/complexes to create debt to offset income. This digital crap is only making our plans more complicated.
 
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