EDUC The Internet Disinformationalist: The Rules.....They're Living on Every Internet Forum

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
I don't know if the word disinformationalist is a new word or not. Anyway, I'm using it anyway, even if it's an invented term.


Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

http://proparanoid.net/truth.htm#25r

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil
2. Become incredulous and indignant
3. Create rumor mongers
4. Use a straw man(and socks)
5. Sidetrack opponents w name calling, ridicule
6. Hit and Run
7. Question motives
8. Invoke authority
9. Play Dumb
10. Associate opponent charges with old news
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions
12. Enigmas have no solution
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic
14. Demand complete solutions
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses
17. Change the subject
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad
19. Ignore facts, demand impossible proofs
20. False evidence
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor
22. Manufacture a new truth
23. Create bigger distractions
24. Silence critics
25. Vanish



http://proparanoid.net/truth.htm#t1


1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength. (those teams are here, no doubt about it.)

5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for 'conspiracy theorists' and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain. Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat 'freudian', so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within. I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I'm not aware of too many Navy pilots who don't have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

8) BONUS TRAIT: Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation: 1) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT - FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth. 2) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR - there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to 'get permission' or instruction from a formal chain of command. 3) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay - the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.

9) Number 9 is my contribution. The disinformationalist normally has several socks who either are used to chime in to bolster
the disinformationalist's point of view, or to keep his post bumped up to the top of the forum in order for more folks to
read the post. The sock puppet is basically a very important tool for those who wish to sway the news and or the opinions
of board members.

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Personally, I enjoy immensely, extemporaneous discussions which happen at the 'heat of the moment'. Those discussions, unfortunately, are few and far between.
 
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doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Yep good stuff and so true.

Yep, cut and paste these rules onto your notepad. Refer to them now and again. Influencing the thinking of forum members is the name of the game. Instilling fear, is part of the ploy. The psyops puppeteers are powerful, and the folks doing those psyops have been schooled in human psychology extensively. However, like all ploys, when the light of day shines on these individuals, they disappear in a New York minute. Truth is our shield....and the cultivation of our spirit constitutes our slings and arrows. Being armed with moral courage will carry us through this world, and the next. There's absolutely nothing to fear.......
 

Vtshooter

Veteran Member
Thank you for this information. I can see being in the heat of a discussion, and not realize you are being played. I think this info could help prevent that. Or make you so paranoid you suspect EVERYONE.;)
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Unfortunately people get played and then repeat these behaviors without even realizing they area. But yeah, there are websites and forums and people that make it their business to be stereotypical examples of those behaviors. And I watch people fall for it all the time.

And it isn't just on the internet. There are a lot of people that do this in a face-to-face real world environment as well.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Doc, it seems to me at least that our "ruling class" have been playing against us all by using those techniques. Harry Reid and his baseless lies against Romney, all of the mud slinging they did against Bush, Pelosi, Obama -- and yes, even some Republicans too with their congressional hearings that never accomplish anything except to get themselves TV air time to make it look good for the voters. Think of any Sunday morning talk show, or Crowley making herself part of the Presidential debates instead of just moderating the thing.... they use so many obscurations, false charges, fake outrage, invented problems or causes.... *sigh* I suppose it's only natural it would flow from the physical world to the virtual one as well. Good list ... and a good reminder to everyone to always be circumspect and cautious.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Doc, it seems to me at least that our "ruling class" have been playing against us all by using those techniques. Harry Reid and his baseless lies against Romney, all of the mud slinging they did against Bush, Pelosi, Obama -- and yes, even some Republicans too with their congressional hearings that never accomplish anything except to get themselves TV air time to make it look good for the voters. Think of any Sunday morning talk show, or Crowley making herself part of the Presidential debates instead of just moderating the thing.... they use so many obscurations, false charges, fake outrage, invented problems or causes.... *sigh* I suppose it's only natural it would flow from the physical world to the virtual one as well. Good list ... and a good reminder to everyone to always be circumspect and cautious.

First off, the disinformationalist(my word), will frame the discussion on his terms, and his terms alone. The tactic is used by the MSM, and of course, newscasters, presidential hopefuls, and various political entities. Certain questions, and subjects are out of bounds. Questions, which may get to the real meat of a matter will simply be glossed over, ignored, or answered in simplistic terms. Getting to the truth of any particular matter is onerous, dangerous, and time consuming. Most wish not to be bothered with the real truth........many wish just to be comfortable with a truth which is manufactured by consensus. My philosophy is this: if you dare to put your self 'out there' on any forum, publication, or other kind of media, you had better be able to defend your stance with honor, and courage. There are many smart folks out there who see right through B.S, and if the emperor is wearing no cloths, the draft can be numbing.
 

Witness

Deceased
This is a very good thread, worth reading twice.
I see those tactics used on television, on the internet
and in real life. Great comments too.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
ST used to get a lot of support, I know some were just fans, but it makes you wonder which ones were disinfo agents...

I'm also very suspicious of certain members with high post counts that may have not been around really long enough to make it logical. Seems like some member names may have several "controllers."
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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ST used to get a lot of support, I know some were just fans, but it makes you wonder which ones were disinfo agents...

I'm also very suspicious of certain members with high post counts that may have not been around really long enough to make it logical. Seems like some member names may have several "controllers."

Some of us just are "yackers" or post a lot of recipes, post a lot in the fiction section, and such. I don't know if high post count for calendar years of membership is a good measure Dex. I mean I can sorta see your concern but all it would seem to indicate is a need to get to know the poster and find out where they post and what they post. Now if a person was known to ask a lot of personal questions like, what kind of guns do you have in your collection or where is your BOL or something like that? That's when I would back up and ask myself a few pointed questions about why that person had a need to know.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
Excellent thread, I suspect a lot of people have no idea there are organized groups out there (probably here) who do exactly as the OP states. Knowledge is power, and God said "My people perish for lack of knowledge", it works on both sides.

LOL Dex, ST continually crossed my mind as I read the OP, as did some of his cheerleaders, especially the few who immediately began cheering only days after he swooped in here. I could be wrong about all that and I hope I am.

Truth manufactured by consensus-GREAT phrase, I've posted on that before but without the perfectly eloquent wording, I see it constantly in the news, and I see precedent being used to assume it is law, and people being forced to live with it through corrupt judges and gov't officials.

The reference to Alice in Wonderland bothers me, it's a common phrase and theme in mind control programming (just tossing that out there as I'd hate to see the link site have ties to that; their entire article is about mind control if you step back and take a look...just sayin').

Personally, I enjoy immensely, extemporaneous discussions which happen at the 'heat of the moment'. Those discussions, unfortunately, are few and far between.
One of my very favorite pasttimes until I lost my memory to hypothyroidism. I always learned from those type discussions, and loved chat rooms because it was all real time. :)
 

the watcher

Inactive
Lol, it's the ones that have 100 posts and have been here since 2005 or something, I watch. I once got into a heated discussion with a so called physicist, who had like 9 posts in 2 years lol. Someone sic'd him on me. I shamed him and he crawled back into his corner, defeated from having to eat a statement he made. I've had most of these games played on me at one time or another. I can spot a mile away lol.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
This board is not that bad insofar as those types go. I've been on boards that are much, much worse and the management of those boards completely tolerates it.

You have to be tougher than nails sometimes, and I mean that.

THEY are out there, whatever agenda they are harping and whoever pays them, and it's all to shake your own beliefs. Don't let them.

;)
 

Witness

Deceased
This board is not that bad insofar as those types go. I've been on boards that are much, much worse and the management of those boards completely tolerates it.

You have to be tougher than nails sometimes, and I mean that.

THEY are out there, whatever agenda they are harping and whoever pays them, and it's all to shake your own beliefs. Don't let them.

;)

You have to have a thick skin and be tougher than nails
just to survive in this world.

Dramatic events are happening at such an escalated rate it's frightening.
No one can convince me that we are not in the end times.
What is "normal" for this generation is NOT normal.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
You have to have a thick skin and be tougher than nails
just to survive in this world.

Dramatic events are happening at such an escalated rate it's frightening.
No one can convince me that we are not in the end times.
What is "normal" for this generation is NOT normal.

You are entirely correct.

The problem is that most people are not as old as I (and maybe you) are, and don't know how it was and should be.

Therefore, they are condemned to repeat everything. They only know what they were taught, and by the looks of things, were taught wrong in many cases.

As we elders die off, the pace will accelerate even more, which is a tragedy.


:(
 

VesperSparrow

Goin' where the lonely go
Some of us just are "yackers" or post a lot of recipes, post a lot in the fiction section, and such. I don't know if high post count for calendar years of membership is a good measure Dex. I mean I can sorta see your concern but all it would seem to indicate is a need to get to know the poster and find out where they post and what they post. Now if a person was known to ask a lot of personal questions like, what kind of guns do you have in your collection or where is your BOL or something like that? That's when I would back up and ask myself a few pointed questions about why that person had a need to know.


THAT'S the threads I stay away from. NOBODY needs to know anything so personal...nobody needs to know what you have or will have or how many...now if somebody wants to faloot their BugOut business all over the net like that, then fine. Just remember...it can come back and likely WILL....
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Some of us just are "yackers" or post a lot of recipes, post a lot in the fiction section, and such. I don't know if high post count for calendar years of membership is a good measure Dex. I mean I can sorta see your concern but all it would seem to indicate is a need to get to know the poster and find out where they post and what they post. Now if a person was known to ask a lot of personal questions like, what kind of guns do you have in your collection or where is your BOL or something like that? That's when I would back up and ask myself a few pointed questions about why that person had a need to know.

Kathy is right on in her reply. Post counts pretty much make no difference. Lot of posts, few posts, doesn't tell you crap about anybody except possibly how much or a real outside life they have :lol:
Asking personal questions like how much PMs you have, how many have CCL or how many guns you own, or what preps you have is an invasion of privacy and deserves a rude reply of "None of your damn business"
As far as being suspicious of people on this forum, well.... you can drive yourself into a paranoid state if you worry too much about things like that.
If you don't give personal info away then you have nothing to worry about.

Are forums like this monitored? Probably... for direct threats of direct violence, terrorism or other illegalities.
I seriously don't think the government is paying anyone to sit and plant or contribute to disinformation on a level of individual forums. We have enough of strong willed individuals with their own different ideas on just about everything to guarantee frequent arguments on just about every topic.

Hell the Gov practically have 100% of the media in their pocket. They can make the news headlines read pretty much anyway they want.
On forums like this, we just argue amongst ourselves about what it all means.

I'm pretty sure the .gov isn't paying somebody to try to ascertain whether TerryK has PMs, firearms, a BOL or extensive preps, or whether EMP is one of my top concerns (it's not :) ).
I'm also pretty sure they aren't paying someone to discover which forum members believe the WTC was an inside job or not. :lol:

Also, wasn't ST one of the last ones to post a thread very similar to this ???

Now if you start posting about violence against government figures etc. then all bets are off, not to mention that it also makes you pretty stupid.
 

Uhhmmm...

Veteran Member
...Asking personal questions like how much PMs you have, how many have CCL or how many guns you own, or what preps you have is an invasion of privacy...

In all my years I cannot remember anyone having asked this.

...Are forums like this monitored? Probably... for direct threats of direct violence, terrorism or other illegalities. I seriously don't think the government is paying anyone to sit and plant or contribute to disinformation...

The feds? I agree. The Koch brothers on the other hand seem to be leaving no stone unturned.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Some of us just are "yackers" or post a lot of recipes, post a lot in the fiction section, and such. I don't know if high post count for calendar years of membership is a good measure Dex. I mean I can sorta see your concern but all it would seem to indicate is a need to get to know the poster and find out where they post and what they post. Now if a person was known to ask a lot of personal questions like, what kind of guns do you have in your collection or where is your BOL or something like that? That's when I would back up and ask myself a few pointed questions about why that person had a need to know.

there were a couple of threads started here recently that were a wee bit to personal and the staff was pretty quick to point out the errors of the posters ways.

As for yackers, yeah I'm probably one of the worst, I have a few minutes here an hour there while waiting on a project to render or whatever and I come over here to see what's going on.

One of the things I did notice that wasn't pointed out in the OP, as a member of a writer's forum I've noticed that many of the members here are members there and are in fact writers, etc., for hollyweird, the MSM, etc., and they are fishing for info/ideas. They are also quite adept at getting members here, and over at the Tree, to do their research for them, and yeah I was a wee bit ticked off when I discovered this, now I call them on it.

Off to look for some orange marmie, OC has a dish he wants me to make polynesian pork tonight and it calls for orange marmie, lots of bell peppers, and those red hot chili peppers. Now where did I store the excess orange marmie??? :shr:

K-
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
You have to have a thick skin and be tougher than nails
just to survive in this world.

Dramatic events are happening at such an escalated rate it's frightening.
No one can convince me that we are not in the end times.
What is "normal" for this generation is NOT normal.

The world we grew up in no longer exists! Whatever this end game will bring those days that I enjoyed as a child in relative safety, etc., are long gone.

K-
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This board is not that bad insofar as those types go. I've been on boards that are much, much worse and the management of those boards completely tolerates it.

You have to be tougher than nails sometimes, and I mean that.

THEY are out there, whatever agenda they are harping and whoever pays them, and it's all to shake your own beliefs. Don't let them.

;)

This place is pleasant and tame compared to the shrill, butt hurt and mall ninja wannabes over at ar15.com As for trolls, they are easy to spot and easily controlled with a firm and fair moderator. And being honest my occasional comedic antics are never against against any person or intended to insult. ;-)
 
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