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You miss spelled barnyard. It's spelt Oklahoma with Texas on the bottom.Stop driving through barnyards at highway speed and those problems will go away.
CHAT Test drove Kia Carnival this weekend
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bev
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We’ve been driving a 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe which we bought new. We keep up with general maintenance and it’s been great so far. About 60,000 miles.
I don’t understand why the gas mileage is still so crappy. Previous Honda CR-V got about 28 mpg. Our Hyundai gets about 28 mpg.
Oh, and the lots at most local car dealers here are pretty full.
I don’t understand why the gas mileage is still so crappy. Previous Honda CR-V got about 28 mpg. Our Hyundai gets about 28 mpg.
Oh, and the lots at most local car dealers here are pretty full.
bev
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I’m so tempted …You miss spelled barnyard. It's spelt Oklahoma with Texas on the bottom.
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
As Location, Location is the real estate mantra, I've found maintenance, maintenance to be the key to any vehicle.
Vehicles are all cursed w/ some issue or other - it comes down to you're needs and what you'll tolerate I think.
If greed & stupidity hadn't taken hold at VW, I'd be buying another TDI but that's off the order guide now so, drive the one I've got until it craters I guess.
We had to use Uber last week and the vehicle was a RAV4 Hybrid - driver said it got 40MPG equivalent and we found it comfortable - that might be the solution.
Vehicles are all cursed w/ some issue or other - it comes down to you're needs and what you'll tolerate I think.
If greed & stupidity hadn't taken hold at VW, I'd be buying another TDI but that's off the order guide now so, drive the one I've got until it craters I guess.
We had to use Uber last week and the vehicle was a RAV4 Hybrid - driver said it got 40MPG equivalent and we found it comfortable - that might be the solution.
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When it comes to buying automobiles there ain't no cheap chicken or free lunch. All the free stuff and good deals we seem to get, somebody has to pay for and it's not the dealer. Same old story, you can take it out of the left pocket or the right one but it still comes out of the same pants. One hunk of iron for another hunk of iron.
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AlfaMan
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That's because the Rav4s no longer have actual transmissions. They use CVT transmissions and you're right, they have a drain and fill plug on them.
Advice-the second you start hearing whining when in a forward gear at speeds from idle to 25 mph; DUMP IT. The CVt is going out, and it's not a cheap repair.
AlfaMan
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i'd get under that Tundra with a screwdriver and poke every single patch of rust on the frame. If it flexes or punches through you have structural damage.
Tundras and Tacomas, and 4 runners from 2003-2016 had recalls on them for prematurely rusting frames. Many frames were replaced by the dealers under a massive recall (from the result of a massive class action suit against toyota). I've seen Tundras where half of the frame is good, and the other side has broken from the other side of the body.
My Aurora, at 25 years old, has only 75,000 miles on it, and I put them all on the clock.
AlfaMan
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You are exactly right. I'm a vehicle inspector for all the us manufacturers; and it is an extremely rare occurence to have a recall come out of any Japanese, French or Thai built Toyotas. It's always the US made models.
And I inspect Kias too-best value and engineering in a vehicle on the US market. Hands down and I look at everything from them to US makes to Porsches, Maseratis, Aston Martins, Lamborghinis, Bugattis and anything else you can think of. wonderful vehicles, great value for the dollar too.
TKO
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I have a 2014 Camry myself. It has had zero issues.
TKO
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This is my fear post-covid!Good luck finding a quality vehicle.
TKO
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Outstanding deal then. I need a GM friend at a dealer so I can get free oil changes!
TKO
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I'd only ever look at a Chevy Silverado. That's it for a Chevy for me. American carmakers are something I'm not going to move toward at this time.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
AlfaMan
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Glad to see you found THE van to have these days. Best engineered, best driving, easiest maintenance minivan currently on the US market. Good choice. your'e one that actually found out just how nice those vans are. Tons of standard features, and you can option the thing into the 23rd century if you wanted to.
Another nice thing is, a 100k warranty. What's even nicer is, kia actually honors the full term of the warranty. They had some issues with oil pumps in earlier models; Kia changed out the motors in those for free. And I saw it done in cars at 98k miles, 92k miles, etc. Mileages most carmakers would laugh in your face if you tried to get something fixed under warranty. Kia (and Hyundai, which owns kia) honors their warranties.
The Telluride you want to test drive; I'll tell you-Kia bought a current Ford Explorer, took it to their plant in ulsan Korea and tore it completely apart. Then they built the Telluride with all the lessons learned from the tear down-and then made it better. Very impressive SUV. Try it-I guarantee you'll like it.
You have a good eye to catch the current failings of the Toyota Sienna. The new one is built on the previous generation unibody (dating from 2013 or so) with just new exterior sheetmetal. Oh, and you can't buy any new Sienna with just a regular gas motor-every one of the new ones is a hybrid. That's all they sell.
The squeaks and rattles are common to the new siennas-the plastic panels inside are rubbing against each other, seems to emenate from the driver side rear area. And don't ever try to change a flat in one of them-the spare tire is literally underneath the floor pan in the area of the front seats..........Painful! The hybrids generally don't have spare tires; the space is usually needed for the battery.
Oh, that "automatic transmission" in the siennas? It's a CVT.............not a "real" transmission in the literal sense. Buyer beware. And Toyota has swapped over nearly every car and crossover to using a cvt transmission. much cheaper to make.
Glad to see you enjoyed the Kia. If you want a real sporty drive, try the Kia stinger...............It's faster and handles better than a Maserati Quattroporte and it's literally half the price. What a car! And I know REAL sports cars-and the Stinger impresses me. No, it actually blows me away. What a car!
AlfaMan
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Some advice-don't bother with any of the TDI's on dealer lots. All of them have complied with the recall, which included a software reflash for the ECU, a new catalyst (that's more restrictive) and the software updates are only good for a 5 year period. Considering most were retrofitted in 2017; the software is ready to be updated again. And your gas mileage will be WAY off what they were pre recall.
VW MADE money on the Tdi recall. Billions. And i inspected so many of those TDI turnbacks i could take you through the car blindfolded.........
AlfaMan
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The Ford Aspire was actually a badge engineered Kia Pride. and their first car sold in the North American market. Sales of the Aspire convinced kia to enter the North American car market, which they did in 1997 with the first Kia Sportage.
We used to rent those Aspires, we called them "Barney cars". Because no matter how many we'd infleet, some of them were painted in purple, like barney the dinosaur. They were far roomier and comfortable than the Geo Metros in the fleet.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
KIA builds TOUGH TRUKS!!
The Forte was a nice CAR.
we're on our second SOUL and DANG those thangs haul a LOT!!
RELIC does shows and we haul ALL the tables we can fit in a 10X10 area with some actual display fixtures and TONNES of framed pix. As well as some upcycled jewelry and schtuff. SOME HOW it all FITS!!!
I'm ALMOST afraid to run it over a scale!
But they just WORK!!!
The Forte was a nice CAR.
we're on our second SOUL and DANG those thangs haul a LOT!!
RELIC does shows and we haul ALL the tables we can fit in a 10X10 area with some actual display fixtures and TONNES of framed pix. As well as some upcycled jewelry and schtuff. SOME HOW it all FITS!!!
I'm ALMOST afraid to run it over a scale!
But they just WORK!!!
Griz3752
Retired, practising Curmudgeon
The one I have now is an 06. Had an 04 1.9 w M5; got 3.9l/100km - basically 62 miles/gal out of the box. It got written off by some drunk - took out 3 other parked cars. I was in a hurry, took my payout and bought an 06 - NOT my wisest move. The same car except for the programming because the 06 got about 40MPG. Chip tuned it & got it up to about 50MPOG/US Gal but that's as good it gets. Not interested in the 2.0TDI.
Thinking maybe a 3.0L TDI In an A6 Quattro. I can chip tune that & get about 45MPG and have AWD plus a bigger cabin but at the end of the day, might just get something solid and drop in a repower engine if it's miled out.
We'll see
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Had a pair of Ford Festivas. Same drive train as the Assfire and might still be in production under license in Iran. My '89 was a 3-speed auto trans with EFI, as most of the slushboxes were sold to meet Kommiefornia smog standards and as rental fleet cars. That car only got 30-33 MPG but the '90 model was 5-speed stick and made 40-45 for gas mileage. With some exhaust fabrication the same 1300cc Mazda motor with a turbo would fit right in the engine bay and you might have the fastest econo-box in 3 states. Ford-Mazda-Kia did a good job with those little cars. If'n they hadn't melted I'd still be drivin' 'em.
Countrybumpkin
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I had a 1992 Ford Festiva I bought new, and ran the crap outa it. 5 speed, got insane milage, and once I took the backseat out, I could haul a lot of stuff. In fact, was at a store a month ago, and saw it in the lot. Looking a little sad, but still driving!
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AlfaMan
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The 3 litre TDI motors were recalled under the same TDI recall as the 2 litre TDI motors. There were only 375,000 of the 3 litres to inspect.....Also, any TDI older than 2011 model year got crushed. It was sad, VW couldn't come up with the right software flash for them . I saw multitudes of Jetta cup editions fed to a shredder; no parts saved they just fed the cars in whole.
The real trick would be finding a TDI that DIDN'T go under the knife with the 'fixes'. there are some out there but they're few and far between. find one of those and you'd be set.
Warm Wisconsin
Easy as 3.141592653589..
I rented a 2022 Kia Sorento when I was at Cape Canaveral and I had a hard time believing it was a KIA.
The self driving features on the KIA were way more refined than my much more expensive vehicle at home.
The vehicle was feature rich and were conveniently placed.
Have been seriously considering trading for one since I got home.
The self driving features on the KIA were way more refined than my much more expensive vehicle at home.
The vehicle was feature rich and were conveniently placed.
Have been seriously considering trading for one since I got home.
AlfaMan
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That Sorento is one of the hottest SUV's in the European market these days. With the features it has for the price, it's one of the nicer cars at that price point. The Dacia/Renault/Lada duster is also a popular vehicle there. We'll never see those here though; unless someone starts building them stateside.
Buy something old and rebuild it, either yourself (best way) or hired out (expensive way). I ditched a 2012 Subaru Outback POS and did this. I now have a 2001 GMC pickup that I know every inch of, have all the tools to work on it and can do almost anything except an engine/tranny swap in my driveway. Paid cash for it all. Sure, it gets at best 19 MPG, and with my driving it's usually 15 MPG. But I can buy a lot of gas with the money that would be going into payments.
I upgraded everything I wanted. All the lights are LEDs and I have a nice stereo. Suspension is mildly upgraded. OnStar stopped working in it before 3G stopped working. :-) Had a LineX liner shot in the bed. Getting ready to have the nicks and dings of 20+ years ironed out and the whole thing repainted. At that point, it's a new truck minus the nice smell and the payments.
I upgraded everything I wanted. All the lights are LEDs and I have a nice stereo. Suspension is mildly upgraded. OnStar stopped working in it before 3G stopped working. :-) Had a LineX liner shot in the bed. Getting ready to have the nicks and dings of 20+ years ironed out and the whole thing repainted. At that point, it's a new truck minus the nice smell and the payments.
We are not all automotively gifted.
TKO
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Another reason to rank the Toyota as getting crappier. Today, I had to replace the SECOND door lock actuator. Both failed within a 2 month period of each other. I cannot recommend Toyota anymore. I have 94K miles on this Sienna. The sliding doors have failed and warranty replacements done, the power seats have failed with warranty seats making. The infotainment screen has failed costing me 99 dollars in labor to replace it. It rattles like a motherf*u*ker...EVERYWHERE. PLUS the Sienna totally eats tires and needed replacement at 39K miles. Not even an AWD...which is notorious for eating tires.