Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
While there are a great many things about the TB2K family that are appealing, one thing particularly striking about us is that we LOVE our fur kids. This year has been hard for many of us; lots of pet illness and unfortunately, a great many lost companions.
For a great many months I've wanted to start this thread – a thread dedicated to discussing their loss – and the evidence that they are NOT gone for ever from us, but in fact exist in another place – a place where they wait for us to join them.
But it's not an easy subject to discuss is it? perhaps that's because many of us have been conditioned to believe there is no afterlife for animals. when we ask "will we see our pets in heaven" we've most often been told unequivocally "NO". Generally that answer has come from a religious figure we respect and consider to be an "authority" on the subject; a priest or rabbi, or perhaps our preacher or the head deacon at church. That "NO" has been based on the logic that because the "animal has no soul" it's impossible for it to be in heaven.
However as a Christian believer, I would submit that the animal has no concept of SIN and therefore no need for REDEMPTION. The animal has not fallen, it's not GOING TO FALL in the future and therefore it doesn't require a SAVIOR. The concept/argument of "heaven being reserved for the SAVED" - as far as the animal is concerned - is therefore ridiculous on its face and whether the animal possess a "soul" or not - becomes a moot point in the discussion.
The intent here is share experiences which may provide comfort to those who have lost a companion animal and are grieving because of it. I respectfully request that the above thoughts provide a baseline for governing discussion in this thread; specifically:
Last but not least - whenever I listen to Coast 2 Coast or similar programs and the topic has ANYTHING to do with the after life - NDE's in particular - I listen very carefully for remarks about pets being there. I do the same when I am reading on those topics. unfortunately there isn't much said about it. I've given that a lot of thought. My personal belief is that's because those being interviewed are in large part authors who have just finished books. the purpose of BEING INTERVIEWED is to SELL those books – and this subject is somewhat "untouchable". It's my opinion that's because the vast majority of organized religious thought on the subject is along the lines of what we discussed earlier.
I KNOW for fact there are several here with incredible stories to share, and I know that there are also many who NEED to hear what we have to share. I would encourage you to contribute if you have something to share.
I will share my own as soon as I can get it written up – hopefully within the next 24 hours. Thanks for contributing.
blessings
RM
For a great many months I've wanted to start this thread – a thread dedicated to discussing their loss – and the evidence that they are NOT gone for ever from us, but in fact exist in another place – a place where they wait for us to join them.
But it's not an easy subject to discuss is it? perhaps that's because many of us have been conditioned to believe there is no afterlife for animals. when we ask "will we see our pets in heaven" we've most often been told unequivocally "NO". Generally that answer has come from a religious figure we respect and consider to be an "authority" on the subject; a priest or rabbi, or perhaps our preacher or the head deacon at church. That "NO" has been based on the logic that because the "animal has no soul" it's impossible for it to be in heaven.
However as a Christian believer, I would submit that the animal has no concept of SIN and therefore no need for REDEMPTION. The animal has not fallen, it's not GOING TO FALL in the future and therefore it doesn't require a SAVIOR. The concept/argument of "heaven being reserved for the SAVED" - as far as the animal is concerned - is therefore ridiculous on its face and whether the animal possess a "soul" or not - becomes a moot point in the discussion.
The intent here is share experiences which may provide comfort to those who have lost a companion animal and are grieving because of it. I respectfully request that the above thoughts provide a baseline for governing discussion in this thread; specifically:
- This thread is for people to share experiences they have had with visitations from pets that have passed.
- If you have been at the bedside with loved ones/friends who are passing and who have experienced an animal returning for them, that constitutes clear evidence of an animal after life and WE ARE interested in hearing about it.
- This thread is STRICTLY LIMITED to COMPANION ANIMAL PETS. Horses, dogs, cats, gerbils – they are ALL welcome - but uncle John and grandma need to get their own threads.
- In the interest of accuracy, FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE is preferred; although directly related third party discussion from credible sources such as vets and vet techs are welcome.
- This is NOT the place to debate religious view points or doctrine. That's why it's in UNEXPLAINED and not RELIGION. PLEASE RESPECT THAT.
Last but not least - whenever I listen to Coast 2 Coast or similar programs and the topic has ANYTHING to do with the after life - NDE's in particular - I listen very carefully for remarks about pets being there. I do the same when I am reading on those topics. unfortunately there isn't much said about it. I've given that a lot of thought. My personal belief is that's because those being interviewed are in large part authors who have just finished books. the purpose of BEING INTERVIEWED is to SELL those books – and this subject is somewhat "untouchable". It's my opinion that's because the vast majority of organized religious thought on the subject is along the lines of what we discussed earlier.
I KNOW for fact there are several here with incredible stories to share, and I know that there are also many who NEED to hear what we have to share. I would encourage you to contribute if you have something to share.
I will share my own as soon as I can get it written up – hopefully within the next 24 hours. Thanks for contributing.
blessings
RM
Last edited: