CRISIS Taking Nuclear War Seriously: Gingrich

CaryC

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Taking Nuclear War Seriously: Gingrich​

Authored by Newt Gingrich via RealClear Wire,
It is vital that Americans take nuclear war seriously.

For the last three and a half decades, since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Americans have relaxed and behaved as though they were essentially safe from nuclear events.

When President Bill Clinton and I created the Hart-Rudman Commission in 1998, we hoped to create a deep rethinking of American security strategies. The Commission was brilliantly led by Gen. Charles Boyd and produced a remarkable report.

We warned that the greatest threat to the United States was a nuclear attack in an American city – likely by a terrorist group. We proposed a Department of Homeland Security capable of dealing with three simultaneous nuclear events. That would have been a department with the discipline and training we associate with military organizations or first-class fire departments.

As a sign of how little people understood the danger of nuclear weapons, the department degenerated into a bureaucratic mess of enormous incompetence. Today, it cannot cope with unarmed civilians at the border. It would likely be totally incapable of dealing with one (let alone three simultaneous) nuclear events.

Yet, nuclear war is becoming increasingly possible. When dealing with the Soviet Union, it was conceivable that a strategy of mutual assured destruction could sustain a balance of deterrence to keep nuclear war at bay. Neither country would launch a nuclear weapon, because there was a virtual certainty of annihilation. In many ways, mutual assured destruction resembled Abraham Lincoln’s response to a duel challenge. Lincoln chose shotguns at three feet, and the other guy backed down.

Now, however, we have countries getting nuclear weapons that may not care if we retaliate.

It is possible that the Iranian theocratic dictatorship would accept the exchange of Tehran for Tel Aviv as a net plus on ideological grounds.

We have no understanding of the values and thought processes of Kim Jung Un and his leadership (including his sister who is supposedly more hard line than he is). Faced with the growing economic, technological, and quality of life achievements of South Korea, it’s possible the North Korean regime might be willing to risk a nuclear attack as the only element in which it has an advantage.

Pakistan is unstable, and its long-time opponent India is steadily growing. This could lead to a nuclear conflict if Pakistan becomes threatened by India’s size – or if India aggressively responds to a perceived Pakistani threat. Ultimately, a nuclear conflict could occur in the region from pure misunderstanding.

The Russian dictatorship is a dangerous combination of Soviet training (Vladimir Putin was a KGB officer and is still deeply loyal to the spirit of the Soviet Union) and Great Russian Nationalism. Furthermore, the depth of Putin and his allies’ corruption – and the intensity and savagery of his response to domestic opponents – create a psychological environment in which the use of nuclear weapons as an alternative to defeat becomes increasingly possible. Putin himself has suggested the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Recently a close ally of his suggested nuclear weapons would be used on London and Washington if Russia was forced to give back any land in Ukraine.

Finally, the most rational and stable of our opponents with nuclear capability is Communist China (this alone should tell us how unstable the world is becoming). It is possible that with a declining population, a rapidly decaying economy, and a growing sense of frustration and global isolation, General Secretary Xi Jinping could decide to risk invading Taiwan or forcing a crisis in the South China Sea. Conflict could spiral out of control with remarkable speed.

Faced with this reality, we need to revisit Herman Kahn’s Classic study “Thinking About the Unthinkable.” To understand how dangerous a nuclear attack would be, it is helpful to also go back 70 years to Philip Wylie’s astonishing novel “Tomorrow.” It is the story of a nuclear attack on a single city and the power of a nuclear weapon to destroy life and civilization. This was the book which convinced me as a high school student that we had to do virtually everything to avoid nuclear war – and survive it if it came.

I recently reread Stephen Hunter’s 1989 novel “The Day Before Midnight,” in which a Russian nationalist remarkably like Putin seizes an American ICBM silo in an effort to start a nuclear war.

If we took nuclear war seriously, we would do three things immediately:

First, we would build an Israeli quality missile defense system at every level. It would take out missiles as they leave their silos, through their time in space to reentry, and finally at a point of defense. President Ronald Reagan proposed a Strategic Defense Initiative in 1983. It was ridiculed as Star Wars. Its technological heirs have saved tens of thousands of Israeli lives. A global version could save hundreds of millions of lives.

Second, we would develop the domestic survival system capable of responding to three or more nuclear events – with hospitals, security, construction workers, and whatever else it took to minimize loss of life. This would involve stockpiling radiation survival medicine, food, water, etc.

Third, we would have a crash program to harden our entire system against a potential electromagnetic pulse attack. As Bill Forstchen wrote in his remarkable book, “One Second After,” an EMP attack would be devastating and civilization destroying.

We were surprised at Pearl Harbor. We were surprised on Sept. 11, 2001. We cannot afford to be surprised by a nuclear attack.


This may or may not be a good article. Regardless, anyone who depends on the government to "protect and serve" will be disappointed.
 

shane

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Again, proposed preparations in article miss Civil Defense basics that 90% of the expected casualties will be result of a public untrained in what to do and not do if/when nukes get unleashed.

Public will of needed simple to grasp instructions such as presented here…

www.GoodNewsNuke.com

Panic Early, Beat the Rush!
- Shane
 

rob0126

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The Russian dictatorship is a dangerous combination of Soviet training (Vladimir Putin was a KGB officer and is still deeply loyal to the spirit of the Soviet Union) and Great Russian Nationalism. Furthermore, the depth of Putin and his allies’ corruption – and the intensity and savagery of his response to domestic opponents – create a psychological environment in which the use of nuclear weapons as an alternative to defeat becomes increasingly possible. Putin himself has suggested the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Recently a close ally of his suggested nuclear weapons would be used on London and Washington if Russia was forced to give back any land in Ukraine.

Quit poking the bear and it wont consider nuking the insane clown posse in D.C.

First, we would build an Israeli quality missile defense system at every level. It would take out missiles as they leave their silos, through their time in space to reentry, and finally at a point of defense. President Ronald Reagan proposed a Strategic Defense Initiative in 1983. It was ridiculed as Star Wars. Its technological heirs have saved tens of thousands of Israeli lives. A global version could save hundreds of millions of lives.

Who's going to be in charge of that? America world police? That time is gone.

We were surprised at Pearl Harbor. We were surprised on Sept. 11, 2001. We cannot afford to be surprised by a nuclear attack.

Newt the Liar.

Each one was known about, even provoked(cutting off Japans resources), so a nuke attack would be preplanned.
 
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Bps1691

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MAD only works when the other side is sane.

The evil that has been at work for decades has built to many crazed regimes and totally imoral leaderships that no longer care about the retaliation to evil acts.
 

von Koehler

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MAD only works when the other side is sane.

The evil that has been at work for decades has built to many crazed regimes and totally immoral leaderships that no longer care about the retaliation to evil acts.
True the deterrent aspect of MAD might not prevent a crazy person, but the results would be the same.

Both sides dead.
 

shane

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If nukes fly, it's hopeless.
Nobody knows how many, nor exactly where, that they could be unleashed, but regardless if anywhere near or upwind of your location, then whether you think it’s hopeless & futile to ever try to learn beforehand how to survive, or you think you could learn something that’d help your family survive, in either case you’re probably right!

Serious self fulfilling prophecy right there!

- Shane
 

tiredude

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I'm having a Mandala Effect, because I thought Newt Gingrich died like 10 years ago

(I think I was remembering Rush Limbaugh)
Haha….. I was just gonna say….. ‘I thought he was dead’….. what the hell do I know? Apparently not much
 

helen

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Download the the free pdf version.

Do it yourself rad meter. Appendix C. The instructions are laid out so you can copy them and make booklets to hand out.
 

von Koehler

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Nobody knows how many, nor exactly where, that they could be unleashed, but regardless if anywhere near or upwind of your location, then whether you think it’s hopeless & futile to ever try to learn beforehand how to survive, or you think you could learn something that’d help your family survive, in either case you’re probably right!

Serious self fulfilling prophecy right there!

- Shane

Like in any war, there will be tremendous odds of random good and bad luck.

If someone was definitely concerned about a nuclear war, and wanted to do something, I would suggest it would be far more protective to relocate to an area unlikely to be targeted. As opposed to preparing in place in a probable target zone. New York city, just as an example, is far more likely to be struck then say Porto Rico.
 

Grumphau

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Like in any war, there will be tremendous odds of random good and bad luck.

If someone was definitely concerned about a nuclear war, and wanted to do something, I would suggest it would be far more protective to relocate to an area unlikely to be targeted. As opposed to preparing in place in a probable target zone. New York city, just as an example, is far more likely to be struck then say Porto Rico.
Yes I would agree with this in general. However I think it would be a mistake to rely on mercy from the enemy.
 

Abert

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MAD only works when the other side is sane.

The evil that has been at work for decades has built to many crazed regimes and totally imoral leaderships that no longer care about the retaliation to evil acts.
And we have Biden - with personal ego and anger issues with uncontrolled outbursts - no telling what he will do on any given day.
 

Abert

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True the deterrent aspect of MAD might not prevent a crazy person, but the results would be the same.

Both sides dead.
Well maybe the NeoCons in DC actively pushing war should think twice about the possible outcome of nonstop escalation.
Actively telling both Russia and China we PLAN to go to war with them in a few years does nothing to calm things down.
One might even view their actions as - crazy.
 

CaryC

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I would suggest it would be far more protective to relocate to an area unlikely to be targeted.
So you thinking moving to "10 Cloverfield Lane" is a good thing?

Just poking at you no harm intended.

BTW as a personal thought: Hard to tell where a safe space would be without the stolen plans from the other side. Anything is just a guess. Large cities, military bases, but no accounting for an errant missile landing in your back yard. Don't even know which way the wind will be blowing on any given day.

And I would think, money wise, building a 1950's bomb shelter would be more cost effective. If you are going to move into another house. BOL.

Another thought, and one we are doing is, have the ability to move out of the fall out zone. Do a tent for a couple of weeks, and see what is what.
 

von Koehler

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So you thinking moving to "10 Cloverfield Lane" is a good thing?

Just poking at you no harm intended.

BTW as a personal thought: Hard to tell where a safe space would be without the stolen plans from the other side. Anything is just a guess. Large cities, military bases, but no accounting for an errant missile landing in your back yard. Don't even know which way the wind will be blowing on any given day.

And I would think, money wise, building a 1950's bomb shelter would be more cost effective. If you are going to move into another house. BOL.

Another thought, and one we are doing is, have the ability to move out of the fall out zone. Do a tent for a couple of weeks, and see what is what.

Like what they say all the time in real estate,

Location, Location, Location

Where to go? I doubt very much if Africa would be a prime nuclear target zone. But are you willing to move there? Want to spend the rest of your life there? Who could afford such a drastic move.

I wouldn't.

I have read stories of very rich people having bugouts located in New Zealand. We are talking about less than a hundred people.

The only alternative I can see is move out of likely targeted cities (Washington D.C. has a big red bullseye) and construct a fallout shelter.

But many people are struggling to buy groceries let alone a fallout shelter. So while I can imagine that there might be some survivors, but they are either very lucky or wealthy.
 
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CaryC

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Like what they say all the time in real estate,

Location, Location, Location

Where to go? I doubt very much if Africa would be a prime nuclear target zone. But are you willing to move there? Want to spend the rest of your life there? Who could afford such a drastic move.

I wouldn't.

I have read stories of very rich people having bugouts located in New Zealand. We are talking about less than a hundred people.

The only alternative I can see is move out of likely targeted cities (Washington D.C. has a big red bullseye) and construct a fallout shelter.

But many people are struggling to buy groceries let alone a fallout shelter. So I imagine that there might be some survivors, but they are either very lucky or wealthy.
I understand what you are saying for sure, and no harm, no foul, but........

.....being a white person in Africa would be worse than getting nuked. Nuked fast death, Africa and white, slow death.

....and New Zealand has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. You get caught there with an AR15 they might just strap you to a nuclear tipped missile.

Mostly just pointing out, no place will be safe.

Besides if the world goes nuclear, where will Africa get there food.
 

von Koehler

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I understand what you are saying for sure, and no harm, no foul, but........

.....being a white person in Africa would be worse than getting nuked. Nuked fast death, Africa and white, slow death.

....and New Zealand has some of the strictest gun laws in the world. You get caught there with an AR15 they might just strap you to a nuclear tipped missile.

Mostly just pointing out, no place will be safe.

Besides if the world goes nuclear, where will Africa get (sic) there food.

If no place is safe, what's the point in preparing?

Probably the best is to hope MAD still applies.
 

CaryC

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If no place is safe, what's the point in preparing?

Probably the best is to hope MAD still applies.
Exactly and agreed.

IMHO there won't be any nuclear EXCHANGE, similar to the doom senecio's we've read like "The Last Beach". Maybe a couple of tactical/theater but nothing global.

But it is still just an opinion. No one will survive a full global nuclear exchange. Then there won't be any point in it. As you pointed out MAD.

2nd to that, you know I'm a Bible thumper, and don't see a global exchange in it. I think He is going to reserve all that on mankind for Himself. You can't outrun Him.
 

von Koehler

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The death from Nukes is overrated.

What’ll kill most is the subsequent disruption of services, electricity, food production & fuel, etc.

And, a lot of that could happen even if no nukes kick it off.

-Shane

That's possible, but who can know for sure?
 

Redleg

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The death from Nukes is overrated.

What’ll kill most is the subsequent disruption of services, electricity, food production & fuel, etc.

And, a lot of that could happen even if no nukes kick it off.

-Shane
Fallout will take out a good chunk of anything living.
 

shane

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Fallout is overrated, too. The panic will be far more widespread than any persistent fallout.

Fallout from a nuke loses 90% of its lethal intensity in the first 7 hours, 99% in 48 hrs.

Yes, you can get a lethal dose in those first hours, but it’s too easy not to when you know how…

Hunker down inside the center of your closed up home for 72 hrs, ideally with heavy stuff (water jugs, food, ammo, sacks of anything heavy like sand, concrete, even dirt) piled up all around you in a circle, and you’ll probably be fine, especially so if you were located far enough away from ground zero that structure never initially suffered any blast damage.

- Shane

PS- more ‘how-to’ nuke survival prep details at www.GoodNewsNuke.com and at links near end of it, too.
 

AlfaMan

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NuclearWarSurvivalSkill.com

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My hard copy stays in my luggage, there's one here in the house too. I never ever travel without that book. Cresson Kearny, the author, should be held HIGH among the prepper community for doing this book. Every thing in it is simple to do, tested, effective and means the difference between life and death to the public at large in case of attack.
 

OldArcher

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My hard copy stays in my luggage, there's one here in the house too. I never ever travel without that book. Cresson Kearny, the author, should be held HIGH among the prepper community for doing this book. Every thing in it is simple to do, tested, effective and means the difference between life and death to the public at large in case of attack.
Right beside my desk/table in my studio apartment. I agree, AlfaMan, this book would be indispensable in the pursuit of survival…

All the best to you and yours, Sir…

OA
 
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