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Rex Jackson posted this on another thread and I thought it needed one of its own!

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I would highly disagree with ZINC with swine flu. Seeing swine killed people with an overreacted immune system, and Zinc increase your immune system times up to 4X, doesn't it sound like a bad idea? I swear by Zinc, but if 'original' Swine is really around, and not this cute little 3 day fever version, I will completely stop taking Zinc.

As for a cure, more people really need to google "swine flu survivors" and see how they beat it.

After studying cures and survivors around the globe, I quickly came up with 4 remedies.

Lomatium Tincture (probably the best) - order online
Elderberry Tincture - pharmacy
Oscillo (Oscillococcinum) - pharmacy
Pelargonium Tincture (Umcka) - vitamin store

They all have their benefits and advantages but American Indians had ZERO fatalities in 1918. Why? Oils from a root from a wild plant called lomatium. It is a very unique plant and oil. Trust me, I know it well.

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[@pQlrppl]

Montana Medicinals has fantastic Elderberry too..... made w/ fresh - not dried as many others were that I looked at.

Have not had to test their effectiveness for H1N1, but Tom's Lomatium and Elderberry are the top 2 in my arsenal.

It seems when I was studying the rash bit... that you take for a few days and back off.... then resume... So far I just did the initial test with no problems. I did see the Dandelion or Burdock tea or tincture recommendations for the potential rash. If I didn't have that on hand guess I'd have to weigh the risks....

Anyone have actual experience here that they can share about hives?/rash outbreak? I got the impression they were not actual hives??

 

[amazon]

Thanks CC! I'm going back to work in nursing next week. Do you think people should take it every day or wait for symptoms or an outbreak in your area?

Lisa

 

[Moggy]

Thanks CC and Rex. I ordered mine from VitaCost and now they plague me (pun) with numerous daily emails..would recommend buying it elsewhere.

Moggy

 

[MakesYouWonder]

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I like VitaCost. And you can get removed from their email distribution list.

 

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Here is a lot more information on Lomatium Root use:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=330629

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Lomatium Root and the 1918 Spanish Flu



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Lomatium Root and the 1918 Spanish Flu
Presenting this information for those interested:

Short History
from Lomatioum.com
http://www.lomatium.com/history.htm

Dr. Krebs Uses Lomatium for Influenza Epidemic

The following is verbatim from: Bulletin of the Nevada State Board of Health , No. 1 , Carson City, Nevada , January, 1920

AN INDIAN REMEDY FOR INFLUENZA

In publishing this paper the State Board of Health does not give its endorsement to the remedy until it has had further trial. We merely present the facts as stated by Dr. Krebs, with the idea of giving the matter publicity and encouraging others to give it a trial.

During the fall of 1918 when the influenza epidemic visited this section of Nevada, the Washoe Indian used a root in the treatment of their sick which was gathered along the foot-hills of this slope of the Sierra. The plant proved to be a rare species of the parsley family (Leptotaemia dissecta*), according to a report from the University of California.

The Indians gather this root in the late fall, November being considered the proper month for gathering. The root is used in the fresh or dry state. It is cut up and a decoction is made by boiling the root in water, skimming off the top and giving large doses of the broth. A pound of root is considered about the proper dose to treat a case of fever for three days, which is the longest time needed to break up a fever due to influenza or a pulmonary disease, although the Washoes used it as a panacea.

Whether a coincidence or not, there was not a single death in the Washoe tribe from influenza or its complications, although Indians living in other parts of the State where the root did not grow died in numbers.

It was such a remarkable coincidence that the root was investigated by a practicing physician who saw apparently hopeless cases recover without any other medication or care of any kind. A preparation was prepared and employed in a great many cases among the whites, from the mildest to the most virulent types of influenza, and it proved, among other things, that it is the nearest approach we have today to a specific in epidemic influenza and the accompanying pneumonia. Where used early it proved itself to be a reliable agent in preventing pulmonary complications. Other physicians were induced to give it a trial, with the same results.

It is beyond the experimental stage, as its therapeutic action in this direction is established and beyond any doubt. The cases in which it has been used run into the hundreds. There is probably no therapeutic agent so valuable in the treatment of influenzal pneumonia and, as far as being tried, in ordinary lobar pneumonia if started early.

Its action on coughs is more certain than the opiate expectorants and its benefit is lasting.

It acts as a powerful tonic to the respiratory mucous membranes. It is a bronchial, intestinal and urinary antiseptic and is excreted by these organs.

It seems to stimulate the pneogastries (sic) and causes a slow pulse with increased volume and reduced tension. It is a pronounced diaphoretic and somewhat diuretic, and it is a stimulating and sedative expectorant. In large doses it is a laxative, and in extreme doses emetic.

To make a therapeutically active preparation, the proper variety of the root must be selected in the late fall and properly cured out of the sun. Its active principles must be extracted with as little as possible of the objectionable constituents. The active principles of the root are decidedly complex. It contains a glucoside (as its solutions precipitate copper from Fehling's solution). It contains one or more alkaloids and an acid analogous to benzoic acid, one or more volatile and fixed oils, a resin and a gum. It can be seen from this that it resembles a balsam from the fact that it contains an oleogumresin and an acid besides alkaloids and glucosides.

One can at once appreciate the fact that a reliable pharmaceutical preparation representing the action of the root is not readily made. The volatile oil, which is one of the principal therapeutic agents, is lost in making a decoction.

This particular variety of Leptotaemia* is not as common as believed as some, and it is this particular variety that has medicinal or therapeutic virtues. It grows in dry sandy soil, as a rule, under or between tall sagebrush or greasewood. The plant grows from two to four feet high and has a blossom similar to wild parsnip and leaves like a carrot. It is a perennial, and the older roots frequently weigh from two to six pounds. It sprouts early in April, blooms in May, seeds in June, and withers in July. A number of trials in transplanting the root have been made, but none were successful.

Leptotaemia dissecta * is destined to become one of the most useful if not the most important addition to our vegetable materia medica.

ERNST T. KREBS, M.D. Carson City, Nevada.

* The botanical name was changed in 1942 by Matthias and Constance, from Leptotaenia dissecta to Lomatium dissectum.

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We retail Products from Big Horn Botanicals, here's some pertinent information:


Lomatium Root Tincture

Botanical ingredient sustainably wildcrafted in NW Montana.

Botanical ingredient, scientific research data, constituent activity, potential benefits.

Lomatium Root (Lomatium dissectum) An extract has been shown to have…
anti-bacterial activity against:
Bacillus subtilis, gram-positive (Gm+)
Enterobacter aerogenes (Gm+)
Escherichia coli DC2 (Gm-)
Mycobacter phlei (Gm+), non-acid fast
Pseudomonas aeuginos H188 (Gm-)
Serratia marcescens (Gm-)
Staphylococcus aureus, methicillin-sensitive (Gm+)
Staphylococcus aureus, methicillin-resistant (Gm+)
Salmonella typhimurium TA98 (Gm-)
antifungal activity against:
Trichophyton mentagrophytes
antiviral activity:
Lomatium Root extract completely inhibited the cytopathic effects of rotavirus.

Traditional uses and Ethnnobotany
Lomatium Root definitely helps simple head colds and shortens the duration of overt influenza viral infections. Lomatium seems to also be very helpful in limiting the severity and number of respiratory infections in those with slow viruses, such as Epstein-Barr virus and Cytomegalovirus.

Other ingredients: Grain alcohol 50% (extraction solvent), natural water (most fresh herbs contain 50-70% natural water).

Fresh Herb/Extract Ratio: 1:1

Suggested Use: Add 1 dropper (1ml) per 100 lbs body weight to 1 oz hot water. Let steep in water to dissipate alcohol. Take up to 3x daily.

Contraindications: Should NOT be taken during pregnancy. Discontinue use if rash develops.
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Lomatium Root drew national attention in medical circles during the influenza pandemic of 1916-1918 when Dr. E.T. Krebs, the contract physician assigned by the government to the Washoe Indians, reported a complete lack of influenza mortality in the tribe. Spotting the dried root hanging from their lodges, Dr. Krebs asked what it was and what was its use. He was told it was “Big Medicine”, and that it was used to prevent colds and the flu. He asked if he could try this medicine on some of his white patients, and after making a crude preparation and giving it to his patients in San Francisco, he said, “They just stopped dying”.

 

[Loon]

You know I'm in my second week now of a very bad virus/cold. At the very early onset I drank two bottles of that Sambucol and did the Zinc thing and I can't tell it did me a dang bit of good and that stuff isn't cheap to buy.

What seemed to help me more than anything was MucinexDM and spraying my nose with that Vicks stuff that uplugs you for 12 hours.

I'm not convinced all the medicinal stuff I read about here works. I keep buying it and trying it though.

 

[summerthyme]

Loon... there is NO evidence that elderberry (sambucol) works on colds. It's very effective against influenza viruses, but NOT the common cold virus. (despite some personal claims to the contrary, it doesn't work in the lab, so it's almost certainly not effective in vivo, either)

About all you can do for a cold *once it's established* is what you're doing- symptomatic treatment. But fortunately, that's all that's really necessary for a cold anyway- people don't die of colds! I've found Zicam gel (which you can't get anymore) will stop a cold in it's tracks and "cure" you within 24 hours if you use it at the very first sign- sore throat, or runny nose and "sniffles". Once it's well established, you might as well save your money and just treat the symptoms- lots of fluids, decongestants, cough suppressant at night, and Mucinex during the day.

Summerthyme

 

[Loon]

LOL..........now you tell me.

I did have some of that Zicam nose inhaler stuff I used the first day a couple times but it didn't seem to make any difference. I had it in my medicine chest from last year.

I'll try to remember from now on to just use the cold stuff and not resort to the Sambucol route. It's sometimes hard to tell in the beginning just what you're coming down with though.