HEALTH Sweden's Death Toll Hits Zero, Media Calls It a Failure

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The narrative is official, if you don't lock down your country, destroy civil liberties and the economy, you're a failure. Success in fighting the Wuhan Virus
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The narrative is official, if you don't lock down your country, destroy civil liberties and the economy, you're a failure. Success in fighting the Wuhan Virus is measured in indefinitely prolonging the crisis, not in actually dealing with it.

The data is in: Sweden failed - Open Democracy
Sweden's daily tally of new COVID-19 cases falls to lowest since May - Reuters
Sweden's coronavirus death toll is now approaching zero, but experts are warning others not to hail it as a success - BI
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Oh good, the experts. Those same ones who...

1. Say that Black Lives Matter riots don't spread the virus, but Reopen rallies and church and synagogues services do?

2. Said that we shouldn't wear masks before deciding that everyone should wear masks?

3. Thought sending coronavirus patients into nursing homes was a good plan?

A death rate approachimg zero sure sounds like a failure to the expert class.

Sweden’s daily tally of new COVID-19 cases fell to its lowest since late May on Tuesday, a sharp reversal from June when expanded testing fuelled record numbers in a country that drew global attention for its rejection of a lockdown.
Cases in the Nordic country have declined sharply over the past few days and on Tuesday only 283 new cases were recorded.
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But... it's a failure.

By all accounts, Sweden's high rate of coronavirus deaths was evidence that the country had made a horrendous error. Sweden — which did not impose a strict lockdown — suffered 543 deaths per million of its population, compared to just 105 in neighboring Denmark. The Swedish death toll has been roughly 11 times worse than Norway's, on a per capita basis.
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Sweden also has a higher percentage of minorities than Denmark. It has larger nursing homes where, once again, much of the dying occurred.

Yet coronavirus deaths in Sweden have fallen dramatically in recent days, and are now approaching zero. Between June 30 and July 6, Sweden recorded fewer than five deaths per day on all days but one.
The decline in newly diagnosed cases has been even more dramatic. In late June, Sweden diagnosed more than 1,800 people per day as COVID-19 positive. Today, just two weeks later, only one-sixth of that number are testing positive on a daily basis.
On paper, Sweden suddenly looks like a stunning — albeit late-running — success. But experts are warning that their recent spell of good news does not mean the country's no-lockdown plan was successful, or that other countries should follow its path.
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Experts benefit from perpetuating a crisis.
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Border Collie Dad said:
I think they may have been lower than us and seem to be doing better, too.
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My math ain't too good but here goes.

Sweden 5536 deaths in population of about 10 million.

Our population is 33x Sweden. Same per capita deaths 33 x 5536=182688

Our actual: 138000. We kill 50,000 of the right people and we can go to zero too.
 
Dobbin

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Troke said:
Well maybe what happened is that everybody who is subject to dying from this syndrome has died. They did have a pretty impressive # of deaths per capita.
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This the part of "flattening the curve" they don't tell you.

The same number of humans die under the peak curve as under the flattened curve. The peak curve just gets to the end faster, and with more risk of "over-taxing" the system.

There MAY be some advantage to a flattened curve in the quality of care.

Dobbin
 
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TerryK

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Border Collie Dad said:
I think they may have been lower than us and seem to be doing better, too.
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As of June Covid 19 deaths as a ratio of confirmed deaths to confirmed cases.
Sweden: 10.93%
United States: 5.29%
Denmark: 4.78%
Norway: 2.12%

Death number ratios are better here in the US now. Remdesivir and steroids and anti-inflamatories and not using respirators but using more regular oxygen are lowering death rates dramatically. Only took 135000 deaths to learn that.

You also need to know that although Sweden did not lock down, they did voluntarily practice keeping proper distance apart and changing their workplaces where possible to accommodate social distance. It helped.
 
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Melodi

Melodi

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Nightwolf has been reading the actual papers and medical information and said some of what happened in Sweden was "really terrible" I have not asked for details but I gather that had to do with the situation in the eldercare homes etc.

Also, I've mentioned this before, I have lived in Sweden and I noticed a couple of things:

1. Swedes tend to keep their small homes and apartments so clean you could eat off the floor, every adult and the older child is expected (and does) spend part of every evening and weekend "cleaning up." There is huge social pressure to keep to standard and your neighbors will tell you to your face to "clean up" if they don't like the standards in your home (ask me how I know?).

2. Swedes are some of the LEAST TOUCHY people on Earth, I mean Native Swedes who had very low RO rates from this disease; after about age 12, almost no one ever touches anyone except an occasional hug for close relatives or romantic couples and small kids. This is not true of the immigrant communities (or even the Danish), and while no one wants to admit it, it was the "immigrant areas" of Swedish Cities that had/have the highest rates of infection (along with care homes.

3. Finally, Swedes (traditional Swedes) have a very different view of death and old age than most other cultures I've encountered inducing many Europeans. I can't really describe it, but I remember being a bit surprised to see crematoriums advertised when downtown; basically Swedes as a whole don't pretend death doesn't exit the way a lot of Westerners tend to do. In some ways this attitude is refreshing and it other ways it seems rather cold and unfeeling to those not used to it.

I do think it had something to do with the delay in Sweden admitting just how bad the situation got in their homes for "old people." I could be wrong, but I have a hunch there...
 
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Melodi said:
Nightwolf has been reading the actual papers and medical information and said some of what happened in Sweden was "really terrible" I have not asked for details but I gather that had to do with the situation in the eldercare homes etc.

Also, I've mentioned this before, I have lived in Sweden and I noticed a couple of things:

1. Swedes tend to keep their small homes and apartments so clean you could eat off the floor, every adult and the older child is expected (and does) spend part of every evening and weekend "cleaning up." There is huge social pressure to keep to standard and your neighbors will tell you to your face to "clean up" if they don't like the standards in your home (ask me how I know?).

2. Swedes are some of the LEAST TOUCHY people on Earth, I mean Native Swedes who had very low RO rates from this disease; after about age 12, almost no one ever touches anyone except an occasional hug for close relatives or romantic couples and small kids. This is not true of the immigrant communities (or even the Danish), and while no one wants to admit it, it was the "immigrant areas" of Swedish Cities that had/have the highest rates of infection (along with care homes.

3. Finally, Swedes (traditional Swedes) have a very different view of death and old age than most other cultures I've encountered inducing many Europeans. I can't really describe it, but I remember being a bit surprised to see crematoriums advertised when downtown; basically Swedes as a whole don't pretend death doesn't exit the way a lot of Westerners tend to do. In some ways this attitude is refreshing and it other ways it seems rather cold and unfeeling to those not used to it.

I do think it had something to do with the delay in Sweden admitting just how bad the situation got in their homes for "old people." I could be wrong, but I have a hunch there...
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There were other reports that Sweden met some 'disaster' in their nursing homes. Just like us, apparently
 
mistaken1

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So sweden had more deaths per capita but they did not destroy their national economy. Then again they were not trying to defeat Trump in November.
 
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mistaken1 said:
So sweden had more deaths per capita but they did not destroy their national economy. Then again they were not trying to defeat Trump in November.
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Better check GOOGLE. Their economy took a hit, not as bad as ours, but in the ordinary scheme of things, a hit.

And you have an excellent point on Trump. And the really bad news is that historically, when the crunch comes, the People go Left. So it is in the interest of the Left to create a really bad crunch for two reasons;

Beat Trump

Reorganize the culture to make sure no Joe SixPack ever rears his head.
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
The goal with the "flattening the curve" was never to save lives.
it was to save the hospitals.
lowering the curve does not save lives - it just spreads out the deaths

Sweden went the other way - those who were going to die have died

Now, Flattening the Curve has become a religion based on a theory whose purpose has faded into memory and only fear remains.
Have the hospitals been saved? Do we have enough ventilators? Are there enough beds? Is there enough hydroxy?

Corona is a virus. It is not going away. Ever.
Are we going to lock down and wear ineffective masks and keep people from working forever?
 
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