SCI Strong Evidence Suggests a Super Earth Lies beyond Pluto

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Strong Evidence Suggests a Super Earth Lies beyond Pluto

Astronomers have found compelling hints of a huge, unseen world that may reside in the murky reaches of the Kuiper Belt

By Michael D. Lemonick on January 20, 2016

“New Planet Found” is about as exciting a headline nowadays as “Dog Bites Man,” which is to say, not very. Thanks largely to the space-based Kepler Mission, astronomers have identified about 2,000 new worlds, orbiting stars that lie tens or even hundreds of light-years from Earth, in the last two decades. Collectively, these are scientifically important, but with so many in hand no single addition to the list is likely to be much of a big deal. But a new planet announcement today from the California Institute of Technology is a very different proposition, because the world it describes does not circle a distant star. It is part of our own solar system—a place you would think we had explored pretty well by now.

Evidently not: in an analysis accepted for publication at The Astronomical Journal, California Institute of Technology planetary scientists Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown present what they say is strong circumstantial evidence for a very large undiscovered planet, perhaps 10 times as massive as Earth, orbiting in the solar system’s outer darkness beyond Pluto. The scientists infer its presence from anomalies in the orbits of a handful of smaller bodies they can see. “I haven’t been this excited about something in quite a while,” says Greg Laughlin, an expert on planet formation and dynamics at the University of California, Santa Cruz, who was not involved in the research.

The object, which the researchers have provisionally named “Planet Nine,” comes no closer than 30.5 billion or so kilometers from the sun, or five times farther than Pluto’s average distance. Despite its enormous size, it would be so dim, the authors say, that it is unsurprising that nobody has spotted it yet.

If it exists, that is. “Sadly,” Brown says, “we don’t have an actual detection yet.” But the evidence is strong enough that other experts are taking very serious notice. “I think it’s pretty convincing,” says Chad Trujillo of the Gemini Observatory in Hawaii. David Nesvorny, a solar system theorist at the Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), in Boulder, Colo., is impressed as well. “These guys are really good,” he says. “They make a good case.”

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Strange orbits
Batygin and Brown are not the first to argue for an extra planet in our solar system. In 2014 Trujillo and Scott Sheppard, of the Carnegie Institution for Science, argued in Nature that their own discovery of a much smaller object, called 2012 VP113 , along with the existence of a handful of previously identified bodies in the outer solar system, hinted that there might be something planet-size out there. The evidence lay with their orbits, specifically with an obscure parameter called the “argument of perihelion”—the relationship between the time a body makes its closest approach to the sun and the time it passes through the plane of the solar system. The objects Trujillo and Shepherd identified all had uncannily similar arguments of perihelion, which could mean they were being shepherded by the gravity of an unseen world. “We noticed something curious,” Trujillo says, “and said ‘someone should go explore this further.’” (Scientific American is part of Nature Publishing Group.)

Several groups did, and agreed that the case for a hidden planet was plausible but still quite speculative. (See “The Search for Planet X” in the current Scientific American). The new analysis strengthens that case dramatically, however. The similarity of the arguments of perihelion turns out to be “just the tip of the iceberg,” Batygin says.

The first thing he and Brown did, he says, was to analyze Trujillo and Sheppard’s data with entirely fresh eyes. “What we noticed,” Batygin says, “was that the long axes of these objects’ orbits fall into the same quadrant of the sky.” In other words, they point in the same direction. That outcome was not guaranteed; two bodies can have similar arguments of perihelion even if their orbits are not otherwise physically similar. But when Brown and Batygin plotted the orbits of those outer solar system objects, they noticed that their highly elliptical orbit shapes were closely aligned. “Shouldn’t something like that be hard to miss?” Brown asks. “Yes, you would think so. This a case where we had our noses buried in the data, never stepping back and looking at the solar system from above. I couldn’t believe I’d never noticed this before,” he says. “It’s ridiculous.”

The directionality of the orbits was an even stronger hint that something was physically herding these distant objects. “At first,” Brown says, “we said ‘there can’t be a planet out there—that’s crazy.’” So they examined the most likely alternative—that the Kuiper Belt of icy objects beyond Pluto had formed all of its bodies into a clump naturally, much as galaxies pulled themselves into shape gravitationally out of the cosmic cloud of gas that emerged from the big bang.

The problem with that scenario, the authors realized, was that the Kuiper Belt lacks the mass to make it happen. When the scientists turned to the “crazy” notion of a planet, however, their simulations generated just the right kind of aligned orbits. They also revealed something else: The gravity of a giant planet should lead to an entirely independent set of objects whose orbits are not aligned with one another but are sharply tilted compared with the orbits of the planets—up to 90 degrees away from the plane of the solar system or even more. “That seemed really puzzling,” Batygin says. “But then Mike said, ‘I think I’ve seen something like these in the data.’” Sure enough, observers have spotted a half dozen or so objects just like this and nobody had come up with a good explanation of how they might have gotten there. Now Batygin and Brown’s simulation was providing one. “The fact that they’re now marshaling two new, independent lines of evidence for a hypothetical planet,” Laughlin says, “makes their case even stronger.”

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The gravity of a hypothetical Planet Nine could explain the peculiar orbits of two different sets of objects that lie out beyond Pluto.

The diagram was created using WorldWide Telescope.

Caltech/R. Hurt (IPAC)

Super Earth
The planet that best fits the data would be on the order of 10 times as massive as Earth—putting it in the so-called “Super Earth” category, which includes many planets around other stars but none, until now, in our own solar system—and smaller than Neptune, the fourth-largest known planet orbiting the sun, which has about 17 Earth masses. Its most probable orbit is a highly elongated one that brings it to within 35 billion kilometers of the sun at the closest (“that’s where it does all the damage,” Brown says) and between three and six times as far away at its most distant.

Even at that enormous distance, Planet Nine could in principle be spotted with existing telescopes—most easily with the Japanese Subaru Telescope in Hawaii, which not only has a huge mirror for trapping faint light but also a wide field of view that would allow searchers to efficiently scan big swaths of sky. “Unfortunately, we don’t own the Subaru,” Brown says, “which means we’re unlikely to be the ones who find it. So we’re telling everyone else where to look.”

Until they actually see it, astronomers cannot say definitively that Planet Nine is real. “I tend to be very suspicious of claims of an extra planet in the solar system,” says Hal Levison of SwRI. “I have seen many, many such claims in my career, and all of them have been wrong.” The orbital alignment is genuine, he acknowledges. “Something is creating it. But what that something is needs to be explored a bit more.”

Overall, however, planetary scientists are clearly thrilled by the prospect that we might be on the verge of such a major discovery. “When I was growing up,” Sheppard says, “we thought the big planets had all been found. It would be very exciting and very surprising to learn that we were wrong.”

The mood of the astronomical community is perfectly captured, Laughlin says, by something British astronomer John Herschel said to the British Association for the Advancement of Science in a talk on September 10, 1846. Irregularities had been spotted in the orbit of Uranus, suggesting that the gravity of an unknown, massive planet was tugging on it. Referring to the mystery object, Hershel said:

“We see it as Columbus saw America from the shores of Spain. Its movements have been felt along the far-reaching line of our analysis with a certainly hardly inferior to ocular demonstration.” Just two weeks later Neptune was discovered, right where the theorists’ calculations said it should be.
 

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Planet Nine? Scientists say evidence confirms a true 9th planet in solar system

By Geoff Herbert | gherbert@syracuse.com
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on January 20, 2016 at 11:53 AM

Planet X, a true ninth planet in our solar system, has been confirmed.

The Associated Press reports scientists announced "solid evidence" shows a planet nearly as big as Neptune that's so far out in the Milky Way, it takes 10,000 to 20,000 years to orbit the sun. Astronomers at the California Institute of Technology published their findings in the Astronomical Journal on Wednesday, calling the gas giant "Planet Nine."

Michael Brown, whose past observations led Pluto to famously be downgraded to a "dwarf planet," told The Washington Post that he had been working with Konstantin Batygin to prove that there was no true ninth planet. But the motion of recently discovered dwarf planets and other small objects in the outer solar system led them to believe the gravity of a hidden planet -- a "massive perturber" -- was influencing their orbits.

"My daughter, she's still kind of mad about Pluto being demoted, even though she was barely born at that time," Brown said. "She suggested a few years ago that she'd forgive me if I found a new planet. So I guess I've been working on this for her."

The findings are based on mathematical and computer modeling, but Planet Nine has not been officially observed. However, they expect it to be discovered by telescope within the next five years.

Brown, also known as the "Pluto-killer," said there's no doubt that "Nine" is a real planet. He said it fits the standards set by the International Astronomical Union that a planet must "clear the neighborhood" around its orbital zone.

"Planet Nine is forcing any objects that cross its orbit to push into these misaligned positions. It fits that concept perfectly," Brown said. "Not to mention the fact that it's 5,000 times the mass of Pluto."

The Carnegie Institution of Science's Scott Sheppard, who was not associated with the new study, told USA Today that he was less certain, but said the evidence makes a ninth planet much more possible. Ultimately, he said there's a 70 percent chance Brown and Batygin are right.

"There is no planet found. It's all circumstantial evidence," Sheppard said. "It's like we're at a crime scene looking at the blood on the wall, and we're trying to explain how the person died."
 

tanstaafl

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I've read that Clyde Tombaugh's discovery of Pluto in 1930 was actually more like a freak accident. He had calculated where something should be, pointed a telescope at that point in space, and there it was (a LOT more time and effort than that implies, though). However, I think people have gone back over Tombaugh's calculations and found out that his calculations were wrong. Which made the actual discovery of Pluto an unbelievably lucky coincidence. My point being that it's not always as simple as crunching a lot of numbers ... sheer luck sometimes plays a role as well.
 

Meadowlark

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Theories have been proposed for another gas giant in the Kuiper belt for decades. Interesting fact the Kuiper belt and outer oort cloud have yet to be actually visualized. The presence is based on strong speculation.
 

TheHippie

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Something Big Out There

One recent discovery of interest is 2012VP113, nicknamed Biden, a dwarf planet about
450 km in diameter found to be orbiting our sun in a pattern quite similar to Sedna, one
of the largest dwarfs, discovered in 2002. Mike Brown, an astrophysicist at Caltech,
famed for killing Pluto by his discovery of so many of these minor planets, was the first
to note that Sedna cannot exist in its current position without the gravitational help of
some unseen body. The discovery of Biden only underlines this point and heightens the
quest for a large mass affecting our solar system. But where and how big?

Two Spanish astronomers, Carlos and Raul de la Fuente Marcos, at the Complutense
University of Madrid in Spain, have examined these distant dwarfs and noticed some
unusual patterns. They have concluded that because Biden and Sedna are not large
enough to exert much influence on each other, they must be kept in their place by not one
but two large undiscovered planets that each has a mass of at least ten times that of the
earth.

Furthermore, these mega planets are required to be at least 200 to 250 AU away from the
sun (one AU or astronomical unit is equivalent to the distance between the sun and the
earth). The Binary Research Institute has long hypothesized that there must be another
large mass, most likely a companion star, that affects our solar system.

In BRI’s view, such a mass is required not only to explain the incline of these outer dwarf
planet orbits to the plane of the major planets (for example Pluto’s orbit is inclined about
17 degrees) but also as a way to explain the changing orientation of the entire solar
system to the fixed stars by about 50 arc seconds per year, a.k.a. precession. In such a
model the orbits of these dwarfs are not unexpected. While the Spanish astronomers are
not saying the mass affecting our solar system is a companion star, their assumptions
concerning the large mass and great distance of their hypothetical planets, are clearly
moving us in BRI’s direction. Year by year mainstream astronomy is getting closer to the
idea there must be something big out there, and it is influencing our solar system in ways
heretofore unknown.

But it is not just the position of these orbits that is so interesting. The most confirming
fact from a Great Year perspective is that the orbital periods of these new dwarf planets
are in resonance with known Great Year periodicities. And the Spanish astronomers are
indeed talking about these resonances. Planets or moons moving in resonance with one
another are a sign of gravitational influences and an indication that these bodies have
been dancing together for very long periods of time – and not just due to some random
star passing by disturbing a planet out of its orbit.

As stated, the resonances of the newly discovered dwarfs are quite confirming to anyone
studying the 24,000-year precessional cycle. For example, Sedna orbits the sun in 12,000
years, once per Yuga or twice per Yuga cycle (one complete precessional cycle after
applying Kepler’s laws to the current observed rate of about 25,770 years). And Biden’s
orbit is in a 3:1 ratio to Sedna, meaning it orbits the sun three times per Yuga, and six
times in a complete Yuga cycle. For those that study planetary resonances and understand
the Great Year cycle, this supports the 24,000-year precession cycle to a tee!

Commenting in NewScientist on the dwarf planets that are raising all this attention, Scott
Shepard of the Carnegie Institution for Science, and one of the discoverers of Biden, said,
"As there are only a few of these extremely distant objects known, it's hard to say
anything definitive about the number or location of any distant planets, however, in the
near future we should have more objects to work with to help us determine the structure
of the outer solar system."

From the point of view of this Yuga observer that “structure” will eventually be found to
contain a mass equivalent to a companion star. This mass, which along with our sun,
appears to complete one revolution through the constellations of the zodiac in about
24,000 years (only appearing to move slightly slower now as we are closer to apoapsis
than periapsis). Please note, we mention the zodiac here only because it serves as a way
to measure the observed motion of the sun as it moves through the sky. The sun, observed
at the same time each year, can be seen to move through these twelve constellations at the
rate of about 2000 years each.

Add this information to a steady increase in the rate of precession, which looks more like
an orbit pattern following Kepler’s Laws than any local wobble phenomenon, and we see
evidence of a solar system in motion. The pieces are coming together!

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/bri/images/solarsystemmotion/Something-Big-Out-There.pdf

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/index.shtml
 

TheHippie

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Giant Stealth Planet May Explain Rain of Comets from Solar System's Edge

Our sun may have a companion that disturbs comets from the edge of the solar system — a giant planet with up to four times the mass of Jupiter, researchers suggest.

A NASA space telescope launched last year may soon detect such a stealth companion to our sun, if it actually exists, in the distant icy realm of the comet-birthing Oort cloud, which surrounds our solar system with billions of icy objects.

The potential jumbo Jupiter would likely be a world so frigid it is difficult to spot, researchers said. It could be found up to 30,000 astronomical units from the sun. One AU is the distance between the Earth and the sun, about 93 million miles (150 million km).

Most systems with stars like our sun — so-called class G stars — possess companions. Only one-third are single-star systems like our solar system.

Not a nemesis

Scientists have already proposed that a hidden star, which they call "Nemesis," might lurk a light-year or so away from our sun. They suggest that during its orbit, this red dwarf or brown dwarf star would regularly enter the Oort cloud, jostling the orbits of many comets there and causing some to fall toward Earth. That would provide an explanation for what seems to be a cycle of mass extinctions here.

Still, other astronomers recently found that if Nemesis did exist, its orbit could not be nearly as stable as claimed.

Now researchers point to evidence that our sun might have a different sort of companion.

To avoid confusion with the Nemesis model, astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette dub their conjectured object "Tyche" — the good sister of the goddess Nemesis in Greek mythology, and a name proposed by scientists working on NASA's Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) space telescope.

It is the WISE observatory that, using its all-seeing infrared eye, stands the best chance of having spotted Tyche, if this companion to the sun exists at all, the researchers said. [WISE telescope's amazing images]

Matese and Whitmire detailed their research Nov. 17 online edition of the journal Icarus.

Comet-flinging sun companion

The researchers noted that most comets that fly into the inner solar system seem to come from the outer region of the Oort cloud. Their calculations suggest the gravitational influence of a planet one to four times the mass of Jupiter in this area might be responsible.

Two centuries of observations have indicated an anomaly that suggests the existence of Tyche, Matese said. "The probability that it could be caused by a statistical fluke has remained very small," he added.

The pull of Tyche might also explain why the dwarf planet Sedna has such an unusually elongated orbit, the researchers added.

If Tyche existed, it would probably be very cold, roughly minus 100 degrees F (-73 degrees C), they said, which could explain why it has escaped detection for so long — its coldness means that it would not radiate any heat scientists could easily spot, and its distance from any star means it would not reflect much light.

"Most planetary scientists would not be surprised if the largest undiscovered companion was Neptune-sized or smaller, but a Jupiter-mass object would be a surprise," Matese told SPACE.com. "If the conjecture is indeed true, the important implications would relate to how it got there — touching on the early solar environment — and how it might have affected the subsequent distributions of comets and, to a lesser extent, the known planets."

Is Tyche really out there?

The fact of Tyche's existence is questionable, since the pattern seen in the outer Oort cloud is not seen in the inner Oort.

"Conventional wisdom says that the patterns should tend to correlate, and they don't," Matese said.

If the WISE team was lucky, it caught evidence for the Tyche solar companion twice before the space observatory's original mission ended in October. That could be enough to corroborate the object's existence within a few months as researchers analyze WISE's data.

But if WISE detected signs of Tyche only once (or not at all), researchers would have to wait years for other telescopes to confirm or deny the potential solar companion's existence, Matese said.

http://www.space.com/9612-giant-stealth-planet-explain-rain-comets-solar-system-edge.html
 

Meadowlark

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Nemisis was an alleged brown dwarf star in a great elliptical orbit that has never been confirmed. The alleged body they are talking about is too small and likely too cold. Like I said, if true a gas/ice giant.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Who cares? To even call it a "super Earth" is totally misleading to those uninformed people who don't realize that it would not only be absolutely uninhabitable, and un-VISITABLE, but could not be made inhabitable with protective or other planet remodeling. and that is before even mentioning the utter absence of warmth.
Multiply your weight by ten and thats what you would weigh there.
If it is there, it is only a curious trivia about the solar system, having no meaning or relevance for humans.
 
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Richard

TB Fanatic
Who cares? To even call it a "super Earth" is totally misleading to those uninformed people who don't realize that it would not only be absolutely unihabitable, and un-VISITABLE, but could not be made inhabitable with protective or other planet remodeling.
Multiply your weight by ten and thats what you would weigh there.

Its not a super Earth but most likely a gas or ice giant in that part of the solar system.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
It is an option if Fukushima turns us all into pre Morlocks H.G.Wells talks about. It is a basic tenet of Science Fiction we will eventually flee a destroyed Earth and then terraform or discover a brand new planet for us to rape and pillage into the kind of shape Earth is getting to be! Yep, the elite will find a way to build the space ships for themselves at least!
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
It is an option if Fukushima turns us all into pre Morlocks H.G.Wells talks about. It is a basic tenet of Science Fiction we will eventually flee a destroyed Earth and then terraform or discover a brand new planet for us to rape and pillage into the kind of shape Earth is getting to be! Yep, the elite will find a way to build the space ships for themselves at least!

Hence the motto:

earth First, we'll mine the other planets later.

According to Zachariah Sitchin, the Sumerians were already aware of all nine planets as well as Nibiru. Quite an accomplishment for Earth's first known civilization at the dawn of history...
 

FaithfulSkeptic

Carrying the mantle of doubt
Who cares? To even call it a "super Earth" is totally misleading to those uninformed people who don't realize that it would not only be absolutely uninhabitable, and un-VISITABLE, but could not be made inhabitable with protective or other planet remodeling. and that is before even mentioning the utter absence of warmth.
Multiply your weight by ten and thats what you would weigh there.
If it is there, it is only a curious trivia about the solar system, having no meaning or relevance for humans.

Oh, don't be such a wet towel. It's fascinating and is good fodder for numerous woo-woo topics.

;)
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In 2011 Neptune completed its first full orbit since its discovery. Pluto has made, I think, about one-third of a full orbit since its discovery. When you're out there where Pluto is (and way, WAY beyond if the OP article is to be believed) it takes a LONG time to complete one full orbit of the Sun.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have decided that I am not prepared to travel light years away just to go ice hole fishing.

Light days, maybe, but not light years to anything still in this solar system. Although the time varies greatly since Pluto's orbit also varies greatly, it takes light about 5 1/2 to 6 hours to get from the Sun to Pluto. So if you take the OP's claim that the theoretical planet is five times the distance from the Sun as Pluto, you're looking at about thirty light hours from the Sun.
 
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