Storing TVP - need advice

LeViolinist

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We just bought some TVP - pretend beef chunks.
It was in a bin at the HFS... where you just shovel it out in a plastic bag.

My questions:
1 What's the best way to store this?
2 Would it be okay in a clean vinegar jug. I know with flour products, when you put it in a sealed container it often goes rancid sooner.
3 What is in this stuff? The owner didn't know.

Lv
 

Midnight_Wolf

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What ever it is, it sounds pretty scary. I was going to ask you what it was, but you already answered that question. This isn't a put down question, but why would you buy something to eat when you don't even know what it is?
 

LeViolinist

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Well... the HFS owner said it is very good in vege/barley and tastes like beef. I asked what was in it, and she said the ingredients were on the bulk shipping box, and will get them for me later. Said it was a soy product, with natural flavorings.
Hey, I don't dread what's in it - trust her - and would like some meat alternatives. My 'wondering' is the best way to store 'TVP'
Lv
 

Vere My Sone

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actually, we call it dog food around here:lol:
use it all the time, but mostly the unflavored
stored in plastic containers or the bags it comes in
vacumn probably would be best
 

LeViolinist

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I hate to think I'm getting Food Paranoia, but lately I kinda like to know.
So I called the HFS back, and they are going online to their distributers tonite and will let me know.

Is there such a thing as GM Soy?
Where does the soy come from? (where its grown)
We are so trusting.
I mean... it really does look like dog chow Purina. But I guess if we get hungry enough it'll do.

Decided to store in jars. I miss having a farm - city living is questionable on all fronts.
Thanks.
Lv
 

Bird Guano

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LeViolinist said:
Is there such a thing as GM Soy?

Yes, MOST of the soybeans out there are genetically modified because of asian soybean rust that will decimate a non GM crop.

Decided to store in jars. I miss having a farm - city living is questionable on all fronts.
Thanks.
Lv

TVP absorbs moisture VERY easily, and with that moisture it will absorb any flavor in that moisture.

That can be good or BAD. Good in that it will absorb whatever flavoring you want to use. Bad in that it will absorb whatever flavor/odor you store it with.

Mylar bags with an O2 absorber and dessicant is best.

Be sure to supplement the TVP with some fats. Soy has next to no fat content.
 

Bird Guano

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vlad said:
TSP (textured soy protein) and TVP (textured vegetble protein) made from soy. Lumen Foods Lake Charles LA

.http://www.soybean.com/fdaclaim.htm

http://www.soybean.com/ecart.htm

pls also see shelf life TVP products http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=shelf+life+TVP+products&btnG=Google+Search

Lumen's stuff is generally pretty good.

I store some of their institutional soy meat-replacement foods. The kind they sell to the LA prison system.

I don't agree with their politics, but I like their product.
 

John H

Deceased
More than you wanted to know....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein

I understand wheat gluten may also be added in some brands to help bulk out the different shapes and give it better consistency.

It usually comes in chunks (stir frys), granules (hamburger-like) and almost a powder (to bulk up other foods). Many of the foods you eat already contain soy protein, including fast foods, you just don't realize it.

You soak tvp in warm water until it is soft (20 minutes or so) and then add it to your recipe.

If you are adding beef, chicken, etc. flavor you can do so while it is soaking and it will pick up the flavor. You can get beef or chicken flavoring from the grocery store.

It has low moisture and almost no fat, so it stores well.

Add some vegetable oil or other fat as it's a little like Chinese food and you'll get hungry fairly quickly.

John H
 

Bird Guano

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vlad said:
I don't agree with their politics, but I like their product.

their politics?

BTW their Heaven on Earth milk replacer is rather tasty.
http://www.soybean.com/hoe_ecart.htm

They strongly support radical environmental organizations
like PETA with financial and product contributions in the past, although those
pages with pictures are now no longer on their website as they were in 2001.

They flip-flopped rather dramatically on the GMO foods debate about 4 years back.
http://www.soybean.com/gmopos.htm

Used to highly defend the GMO foods they carried, then they suddenly
started praising the non -GMO tune and put up all sorts of PR blabber about
how great they are after a LOT of consumer pressure.

BTW don't use that milk replacer for infant formula:
http://www.soybean.com/h120.htm
 

LeViolinist

Veteran Member
We are starting to eat (once in a while) these Boca Pizzas and Sausage, which is all veggie protien (soy) and they aren't too bad.

With dying (culled) birds, mad cows, and toxic fish news, I'm sort of losing my taste for any kind of meat. But the GM wonder-food could be as bad.

Thanks for the tips on preparation of tvp and adding oil. The HFS owner said to just drop the little nuggets into veggie soup. And the tip on dryers is a good idea, especially in the Florida humidity.
Will do.
Lv
 

optimistic pessimist

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I have a good TVP cookbook-- just after Y2k we experimented with eating the stuff- it can be quite good-- my meat eating DH liked it enough to stock up on it. We have found it has kept well in plastic bags without much effort or any spoilage.
 

Deena in GA

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I've been using plain tvp granules that I have stored in a 5 gallon bucket since '99. The bucket has a gamma seal on it so I just reach in, pull out a handful or two, and toss it in whatever I'm cooking. I've never pre-soaked it, but do cook it in stuff that has liquid with it - sloppy joe, chili, chicken and rice, etc. At this rate I have enough to last us another 10 years, lol.
 

LeViolinist

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Browsing for soy health info, I'm finding some articles that make me wonder if this tvp is so good. Lv

Soy: Is it Healthy or is it Harmful?

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By Dr. Joseph Mercola
with Rachael Droege
[/FONT]

In recent years soy has emerged as a ‘near perfect’ food, with supporters claiming it can provide an ideal source of protein, lower cholesterol, protect against cancer and heart disease, reduce menopause symptoms, and prevent osteoporosis, among other things. But how did such a ‘perfect’ food emerge from a product that in 1913 was listed in the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) handbook not as a food but as an industrial product?
According to lipid specialist and nutritionist Mary Enig, PhD, "The reason there’s so much soy in America is because they [the soy industry] started to plant soy to extract the oil from it and soy oil became a very large industry. Once they had as much oil as they did in the food supply they had a lot of soy protein residue left over, and since they can’t feed it to animals, except in small amounts, they had to find another market."
And another market was what they found. To put it simply, after multi-million dollar figures spent on advertising and intense lobbying to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), about 74 percent of U.S. consumers now believe soy products are healthy.
If you’re thinking the health claims surrounding soy sound too good to be true you just may be right. Soy has become another misunderstood food category, to be added to the ranks of coconut oil, saturated fats and vegetable oils. The two former have gained a negative reputation where a good one actually applies, but vegetable oil, along with soy, have emerged with sparkling reputations that cover up the truth.
For just a brief look at what’s really going on, consider that numerous studies have found that soy products may:
Soy products also contain:
  • Phytoestrogens (isoflavones) genistein and daidzein, which mimic and sometimes block the hormone estrogen
  • Phytates, which block the body's uptake of minerals
  • Enzyme Inhibitors, which hinder protein digestion
  • Haemaggluttin, which causes red blood cells to clump together and inhibits oxygen take-up and growth
Further, most soybeans are grown on farms that use toxic pesticides and herbicides, and many are from genetically engineered plants. When you consider that two-thirds of all manufactured food products contain some form of soy, it becomes clear just how many Americans are consuming GM products, whose long-term effects are completely unknown.
Perhaps the most disturbing of soy’s ill effects on health has to do with its phytoestrogens that can mimic the effects of the female hormone estrogen. These phytoestrogens have been found to have adverse effects on various human tissues, and drinking even two glasses of soy milk daily for one month has enough of the chemical to alter a woman’s menstrual cycle. The FDA regulates estrogen-containing products, however no warnings exist on soy. Two senior toxicologists with the FDA. Daniel Sheehan and Daniel Doerge, have even come out saying "The public will be put at potential risk from soy isoflavones in soy protein isolate without adequate warning and information." Soy is particularly problematic for infants, and soy infant formulas should be avoided. It has been estimated that infants who are fed soy formula exclusively receive five birth control pills worth of estrogen every day.
There are some redeeming qualities to soy, however these are found primarily in fermented soy products like tempeh, miso and natto and soybean sprouts. If you want to get some health benefits from soy, stick to these four forms and pass up the processed soy milks, soy ‘burgers’, soy ‘ice cream’, soy ‘cheese’, and the myriad of other soy junk foods that are so readily disguised as health foods.http://www.mercola.com/2004/jan/21/soy.htm
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