GUNS/RLTD States Eye Allowing Concealed Carry of Guns Without Permit

LittleYellowFlower

Flower Whisperer
Newsmax: States Eye Allowing Concealed Carry of Guns Without a Permit

Republican lawmakers in several more states want to loosen gun restrictions by allowing people to carry concealed firearms without having to get a permit, continuing a trend that gun control advocates call dangerous.

Fifteen states already allow concealed carry without a permit, and lawmakers in nine others have proposed allowing or expanding the practice. GOP governors are backing the changes in Utah and Tennessee. Another bill expanding permitless carry in Montana has passed the state House.

Most states require people to do things like get weapons training and undergo a background check to get a permit to carry a gun hidden by a jacket or inside a purse. Groups like the National Rifle Association and state lawmakers who support gun rights argue those requirements are ineffective and undermine Second Amendment protections.

The proposed changes come after gun sales hit historic levels last summer — reflected in FBI background checks — amid uncertainty and safety concerns about the coronavirus pandemic, the struggling economy and protests over racial injustice. Since then, a violent mob stormed the U.S. Capitol.

Against that backdrop, the efforts to loosen concealed carry requirements are a frightening trend for Shannon Watts, founder of the gun control group Moms Demand Action.

“It is dangerous to allow people to carry hidden, loaded handguns possibly without a background check or any training,” she said, adding that the annual rate of aggravated assaults with a firearm has increased 71% in Alaska since the state became the first to allow concealed carry without a permit in 2003.

The proposal in Utah would allow any U.S. citizen 21 and older to carry a concealed weapon without the now-required background check or weapons course. The bill does allow gun owners who want to carry a concealed weapon out of state to get a permit to do so after a background check and safety course.

Newly elected GOP Gov. Spencer Cox has said he supports the idea, in contrast to his predecessor and fellow Republican Gary Herbert, who vetoed a similar bill in 2013.

Supporters of the change argue that other state laws against such things as felons having guns and anyone carrying a firearm while intoxicated are enough to ensure guns are used safely.

“I have that right to protect myself, the Constitution says we have the right. Why are we putting a barrier for law-abiding citizens?” said Rep. Walt Brooks, the Republican lawmaker sponsoring the bill that got an early nod of approval from a House committee Friday. The software company president has represented rural southern Utah for about four years.

He pointed to a multistate study published in 2018 by the Journal of the American College of Surgeons that found loosening concealed carry permit laws didn’t lead to more homicides or violent crime. Utah does not require a permit for guns carried openly.

In Tennessee, Republican lawmakers are expected to push again to allow most adults 21 and older to carry firearms — concealed or openly — without a license that now requires a background check and training.

GOP Gov. Bill Lee backed the idea last year, though the proposal and others were put on hold amid the pandemic.

The push in Tennessee came after the GOP-dominant General Assembly relaxed the state's handgun law in 2020 by allowing people to obtain a concealed-carry-only handgun permit that didn't require them to demonstrate the ability to fire a weapon.

In Montana, the House recently passed a bill to allow people to carry concealed firearms without a permit in most places.

Similar bills that would allow or expand concealed carry without a permit have been introduced in Texas, South Carolina, Florida, Indiana, Alabama and Georgia.

In Texas, where the NRA plans to incorporate soon and where some lawmakers bring concealed handguns to work at the state Capitol, the GOP has listed the issue as one of just eight legislative priorities. The idea has failed to gain traction for years, though, and with the pandemic promising to be the predominant force in the upcoming session, its prospects are once again uncertain.

Associated Press writers Jonathan Mattise in Nashville, Tennessee, and Paul J. Weber in Austin, Texas, contributed to this report.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1006958
 
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Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
See the state by state evolution of concealed carry over the years in the color coded animated map at Concealed Carry Animated Map (hni.com)

Map of Concealed Carry Laws in the U.S.
Illinois is the only state that currently does not allow concealed carry (referred to as a "no issue jurisdiction").

Unrestricted jurisdiction - no permit is required to carry a concealed handgun.

Shall issue jurisdiction - a permit to carry is required; granting of such permits is subject only to meeting certain criteria (the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits)

May issue jurisdiction - a permit is requried, and the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities

No issue - no private citizen may carry a concealed handgun



This map shows what type of concealed carry is legal from state-to-state and how this has changed over the past 25 years.
 

LittleYellowFlower

Flower Whisperer
The original looks like a link from an email distribution.

It was. I get Newsmax emails several times a day. I saw the article link in one of the emails I received and I followed it directly to the Newsmax article. I copied the link from the actual article page rather than from the email. I’ve never had this happen before, but I didn’t realize it would cause confusion or a problem because it goes to the article either way.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
If it happens in Michigan, I want a refund on my CPL.
Are you sure you don't want to keep your license?
Any chance you'll ever travel out of state? You still need to have a permit from your home state for reciprocity.

As always, responsible citizens must know existing laws in any states they travel through. I know guys going west that take great pains to unload and lock up their concealed carry when they subject themselves through a short interstate trip through Ill annoy. (I don't know anyone that stops there on purpose :) )

There are ways to legally transport by air. Locked, unloaded and declared in checked baggage. A few horror stories exist of some poor traveller who gets re-routed and stranded into a gun-hating hell-hole by weather or mechanical trouble. Beware.

My state went to Constitutional Carry some time ago.
No OK Corral events yet, to my knowledge.

Responsible people still ARE, and violent predators stay true to form, too.

Eta: I feel certain that the new national administration is waiting with bated breath for the next gun tragedy. State relaxation of gun laws will see yuuge assault from the national level. Jmo
Probably no surprise to any reader here.
 
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LittleYellowFlower

Flower Whisperer
See the state by state evolution of concealed carry over the years in the color coded animated map at Concealed Carry Animated Map (hni.com)

Map of Concealed Carry Laws in the U.S.
Illinois is the only state that currently does not allow concealed carry (referred to as a "no issue jurisdiction").

Unrestricted jurisdiction - no permit is required to carry a concealed handgun.

Shall issue jurisdiction - a permit to carry is required; granting of such permits is subject only to meeting certain criteria (the granting authority has no discretion in the awarding of the permits)

May issue jurisdiction - a permit is requried, and the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities

No issue - no private citizen may carry a concealed handgun



This map shows what type of concealed carry is legal from state-to-state and how this has changed over the past 25 years.

This is an interesting presentation. I did not realize it has changed that much across the US. I have family and friends who will like to see this. Thank you for sharing, Dozd!

I live in MS and travel through AL to FL quite often. All three are Constitutional Carry states. I do plan to get my Enhanced Carry within the next few months.
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
Are you sure you don't want to keep your license?
Any chance you'll ever travel out of state? You still need to have a permit from your home state for reciprocity.

As always, responsible citizens must know existing laws in any states they travel through. I know guys going west that take great pains to unload and lock up their concealed carry when they subject themselves through a short interstate trip through Ill annoy. (I don't know anyone that stops there on purpose :) )

There are ways to legally transport by air. Locked, unloaded and declared in checked baggage. A few horror stories exist of some poor traveller who gets re-routed and stranded into a gun-hating hell-hole by weather or mechanical trouble. Beware.

My state went to Constitutional Carry some time ago.
No OK Corral events yet, to my knowledge.

Responsible people still ARE, and violent predators stay true to form, too.

Eta: I feel certain that the new national administration is waiting with bated breath for the next gun tragedy. State relaxation of gun laws will see yuuge assault from the national level. Jmo
Probably no surprise to any reader here.
Yes. Sure. I let mine lapse, and no regrets.

It was expensive to get, and they treat you like a criminal with those damn prints. (Due to some official confusion about the "law" - there are way too many laws around this topic for any official body to give you the same answer twice - I had to get the prints done twice.) The rules changed with the riots. White Conservatives go to jail, end of story. No point in fussing over the legal details; am no longer playing their games.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
Someone in the OP claims that "the annual rate of aggravated assaults with a firearm has increased 71% in Alaska since the state became the first to allow concealed carry without a permit in 2003."

This is really poor reporting, because it does no investigation whatsoever into the factors that might have contributed to such an increase. I can think of three possibilities right off the top of my head: 1. Increase in population, and/or increase in urban population. 2. Increase in drug use, or worse kinds of drugs being used. 3. Change in demographics. Changes in the economy could also have an effect.

As we all know here, guns don't just hop out of holsters and pockets and shoot people. People shoot people. There are generally reasons for those shootings (bad reasons, usually, other than self-defense, but reasons). Look for the reasons. Fix the reasons. Don't try to deny law-abiding people the means to defend themselves and their loved ones!

Kathleen
 

1911user

Veteran Member
It was. I get Newsmax emails several times a day. I saw the article link in one of the emails I received and I followed it directly to the Newsmax article. I copied the link from the actual article page rather than from the email. I’ve never had this happen before, but I didn’t realize it would cause confusion or a problem because it goes to the article either way.
I just follow Loup's advice to never leave extra information in a link if it is not required. In the link, starting at the first "?", everything else was unneeded. That is common. That extra information can lead back to previous searches (ebay and amazon), identity of who did the previous search then posted it, other identifying information, your email ID, etc.

One specific in this case is your email ID for newsmax. If that had been a link to a private, non-free website, they could use that to find out who was sharing articles to the public and kick them off the site.

I doubt it matters in this case. The link you posted was unusually long which caught my attention. I was bored and tried shortening it then verify it still worked. It did this time, so I posted the short link in case it was helpful.
 

LittleYellowFlower

Flower Whisperer
I just follow Loup's advice to never leave extra information in a link if it is not required. In the link, starting at the first "?", everything else was unneeded. That is common. That extra information can lead back to previous searches (ebay and amazon), identity of who did the previous search then posted it, other identifying information, your email ID, etc.

One specific in this case is your email ID for newsmax. If that had been a link to a private, non-free website, they could use that to find out who was sharing articles to the public and kick them off the site.

I doubt it matters in this case. The link you posted was unusually long which caught my attention. I was bored and tried shortening it then verify it still worked. It did this time, so I posted the short link in case it was helpful.

Thanks for the in depth explanation. I am certainly no IT person and had no idea about any of that. I just edited and deleted the entire long link leaving the short one. I much prefer the looks of a short link.

Thanks especially for letting me know that protects my privacy. That is great to know for the future if I were to post somewhere else or to someone who needn’t know my info. I don’t know why it did that as I had copied it from the particle page as I always do.

I greatly appreciate your helping me to understand the reason behind it. Thanks again!
 

fish hook

Deceased
In Alabama the sheriffs use the money collected from C C permits as a slush fund. As long as they have a say, they will be slow to give up this source of revenue. As in all things, follow the money.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
As always, responsible citizens must know existing laws in any states they travel through.
My state allows concealed without a permit, but I have one anyway just for travel, and always check the states out. Some states allow travel with a pistol provided it's in a lock box away from the driver and unloaded. A lot of good that does, but it's better than some states that have zero tolerance, and I believe Maryland and Kommiefornia are two of them. I was really hoping there would be a national law allowing permitless concealed carry, but with Bai Den we will likely wind up mowing red grass. That is grass that turns red from all the rusting firearms burried in the front lawn.

There is a draw back to a permit in that come gun grabbing time they will know you have at least one firearm. Same goes with a gun safe. If they see a gun safe it's one stop shopping for them if you are dumb enough to keep any guns in there at all. Same with thieves, a thief can peel open a gun safe in just minutes, totally bypassing that expensive and very impressive door and lock.
 

db cooper

Resident Secret Squirrel
Get an actual safe, not an RSC (gun safe)
To get an "actual safe" we are talking one that's large enough for long guns. I've never priced one, but to have the thick reenforced walls needed to keep out common thieves, they've gotta be real spendy.

The gun safe we have has a very good hard steel door with a almost impenetrable lock. It's very large and will hold dozens of guns and accompanying ammo and important papers. The walls are a little thicker than a beer can. To compensate for this the safe was mounted on a dolly made of 1/4 x 3 x 3 angle iron with four 4,000 lb caster wheels. The dolly was made large enough to accommodate a wooden enclosure surrounding the safe with about 4 inches of air between the wood and the safe. That air gap will eventually be filled with concrete, leaving only the door exposed. The safes door will then be behind a wooden door which conceals the safe altogether. It is bolted to a concrete floor from within.

Now this may sound just like a lot of dumb ass work. But it will keep common thieves at bay as well as enhance the fire rating.

Any safe, no matter how good or poor will not stop gun grabbers, which is why there should be an alternate location for at least some of your guns.
 

Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Are you sure you don't want to keep your license?
Any chance you'll ever travel out of state? You still need to have a permit from your home state for reciprocity.

As always, responsible citizens must know existing laws in any states they travel through. I know guys going west that take great pains to unload and lock up their concealed carry when they subject themselves through a short interstate trip through Ill annoy. (I don't know anyone that stops there on purpose :) )

There are ways to legally transport by air. Locked, unloaded and declared in checked baggage. A few horror stories exist of some poor traveller who gets re-routed and stranded into a gun-hating hell-hole by weather or mechanical trouble. Beware.

My state went to Constitutional Carry some time ago.
No OK Corral events yet, to my knowledge.

Responsible people still ARE, and violent predators stay true to form, too.

Eta: I feel certain that the new national administration is waiting with bated breath for the next gun tragedy. State relaxation of gun laws will see yuuge assault from the national level. Jmo
Probably no surprise to any reader here.
That was sarcasm. Sorry, should have noted "sarcasm" in the post. Thought it was obvious. You really think Gov. Whitless would give any money back from the State coffers?
 
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