MORON Stanford PhD Student: 'Star Wars' Music Is Racist

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Stanford PhD Student: 'Star Wars' Music Is Racist
Tom Ciccotta
In a recent column for the Washington Post, Stanford Ph.D. student Jeffrey Chen made the case that the Star Wars franchise “reinforces our prejudices” through its soundtrack.
Stanford doctoral student Jeffrey Chen published a column in the Washington Post to make the case that the Star Wars film franchise is racist.
f we take a moment to think about it, George Lucas’s galaxy is, and has always been, far, far away from being an original or an inclusive creation,” Chen writes in the column. It suffers from “Orientalizing” stereotypes — “patronizing tropes that represent an imagined East, or the Orient, as inferior to the rational, heroic West.”
It’s not just the film that is problematic, according to Chen. The doctoral student argues that the main problem with the franchise is John Williams’ celebrated score. Chen claims that the score takes European influences when the protagonists are on screen and Chinese, Indian, and Middle Eastern influences when antagonists are on screen.
Even those who have noted these prejudices could be excused for not noticing the presence of such tropes in another key element of every Star Wars film: John Williams’s iconic musical score. Williams’s music associates the ‘good guys’ with the grand orchestral style of the European Romantics (think of the beautifully hummable melodies for Luke, Leia and Rey), while the themes for the ‘bad guys’ are expressed in the vocabulary of Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern music.
Readers of the Washington Post column were quick to ridicule Chen’s tedious take. “This is one of the most ridiculous articles I have ever read,” one commenter wrote. “Wow, I just go to the movies to have a good time. All this over analyzing isn’t good for you,” another commenter wrote.
 

thompson

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Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Atlas Shrugged Richard Halley's 5th Concerto would be considered "raycist."


Richard Halley is a type of any composing artist having a vision that goes beyond what most of the public might have a taste for. He seeks to celebrate the triumph of the human spirit, but the people in the society in which he lives don't consider the human spirit to be "triumphant" at all. Most artists in that position would simply create for the public whatever they or some "marketing expert" might say that the public wants. Yet such artists rarely, if ever, achieve any fame that endures beyond their particular era. Richard Halley sought to be another Ludwig van Beethoven, or another Igor Stravinsky, and create works that men would remember long after he had died, because those were uplifting works that celebrated the best that man could be.

Remarkably, Richard Halley survives, and even thrives, because he finds a wealthy patron, i.e., Midas Mulligan. Most classical composers had such a patron-client relationship, either with royalty or with nobility. Those who did not, very often lived and died poor. Yet their music endures despite that, and is no greater, nor less great, for having been written in a context of suffering.
Woe be to the humans who actually "celebrate" their humanity.

So sad. (looking down)

Dobbin
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I'll see your Star Wars and raise you

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=34&v=1AKP7I0Ul18&feature=emb_logo

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Axes flash, broadsword swing,
Shining armour's piercing ring
Horses run with a polished shield,
Fight Those Bastards till They Yield
Midnight mare and blood red roan,
Fight to Keep this Land Your Own
Sound the horn and call the cry,
How Many of Them Can We Make Die!


Follow orders as you're told,
Make Their Yellow Blood Run Cold
Fight until you die or drop,
A Force Like Ours is Hard to Stop
Close your mind to stress and pain,
Fight till You're No Longer Sane
Let not a one damn cur pass by,
How Many of Them Can We Make Die!


Guard your women and children well,
Send These Bastards Back to Hell
We'll teach them the ways of war,
They Won't Come Here Any More
Use your shield and use your head,
Fight till Every One is Dead
Raise the flag up to the sky,
How Many of Them Can We Make Die!


Dawn has broke, the time has come,
Move Your Feet to a Marching Drum
We'll win the war and pay the toll,
We'll Fight as One in Heart and Soul
Midnight mare and blood red roan,
Fight to Keep this Land Your Own
Sound the horn and call the cry,
How Many of Them Can We Make Die!
 
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Troke

On TB every waking moment
Since when does anyone give a damn what a PhD student thinks?
Actually, i favor this. I want everything to be racist to the point the word had no longer has a meaning. That is the only way we are going to get rid of it. This guy should be praised. He has put a dagger into the word. A few more like him and we will be home.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
John William is obviously a racist since he is white and writes white music which is the legacy of generations of whites. Star Wars music should have black or Oriental, simple as that to more importantly it should have reflected alien music from other world(s). In fact all human music is racist since it does not portray cultures from other planets.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Would this phd student have been happier if the Star Wars theme music was hip hop?
The last movie sucked, figure the music should suck also?
 

Krayola

Veteran Member
Basically, he is mad that White/European music is played when the good guys are on but when the bad guys appear on screen, it plays Chinese, Indian, or Middle Eastern music so the latter will be associated with evil according to him.

I am re-playing the Darth Vader music in my head and for the life of me, I can't see where anyone would think that sounds like Chinese, Indian or Middle Eastern music.
 

paul d

Veteran Member
Sorry, but Imperial March doesn't sound "Chinese" to me.

Here is one from a month ago. I thought it was pretty interesting. makes me want to go back and listen to all the clips.


How John Williams’s Star Wars score pulls us to the dark side

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By Frank Lehman
Frank Lehman is an Associate Professor of Music at Tufts University, and author of "Hollywood Harmony: Musical Wonder and the Sound of Cinema" and the "Complete Catalogue of the Musical Themes of Star Wars."
‘This will be the final word in the story of Skywalker . . .”
So declares the disembodied voice of Emperor Palpatine in the latest teaser for “The Rise of Skywalker.” The last film in the decades-spanning space opera promises the return of the iconic Sith lord, who’s been pulling strings in this faraway galaxy since our story began. But there is another puppet-master behind the scenes, steering every dramatic incident, orchestrating every twist: composer John Williams.
It’s said that the Devil gets the best tunes, but Williams has long proved that that maxim applies to Sith lords, too. Within Star Wars’ ever-expanding library of leitmotifs — recurring, malleable musical symbols — much of the most insinuating material belongs to the villains, from Darth Maul to Jabba the Hutt to Supreme Leader Snoke. Listening to these nefarious themes with the ear of a music scholar offers a lesson in the real power of the dark side, showing us how music can repel, deceive and, with the right compositional tricks, even charm.
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The standard by which all villain themes are now judged is surely the “Imperial March,” Darth Vader’s theme. “It should be majestic — he’s a majestic fellow,” Williams remarked in 1980, “and it should be a little bit nasty, because he is our heavy.” Vader’s leitmotif is, as music theorist Mark Richards has shown, a deviously sophisticated tune, full of rhythmic quirks and harmonic corruptions. But no one in Star Wars is beyond redemption. Vader’s death in “Return of the Jedi” occasions one of the most stunning musical transformations of the saga. Williams strips away the march’s militaristic trappings, leaving behind a sputtering shadow of the theme, orchestrated with such extraordinary delicacy that part of it seems to evaporate with each new phrase. With a final, hollowed-out rendition on a solo harp, the old dark lord expires, and the once-unstoppable “Imperial March” achieves a small measure of peace.
Standing in Vader’s musical shadow is his grandson, Kylo Ren. Among the various motifs assigned to this dark side scion, the most conspicuous is a motto that is, as critic Alex Ross puts it, “dominated by a stagey tritone” — the most demonic of musical intervals. There is a distinct quality of overcompensation to Ren’s roar of a theme, a studied attempt to project the menace of his grandfather. Yet behind the bravado is insecurity. His theme is a disguise. Even when Williams hints at a more authoritative transformation at the end of “The Last Jedi,” the motif is stunted, unable to reach structurally satisfying thematic closure. Like his music, Kylo Ren is unbalanced and unfinished, still just a boy in a mask.
Of all Star Wars’ Dark Siders, though, Emperor Palpatine has the most intriguing musical representation. Williams’s material for the evidently unkillable Palpatine is aimed at making the character simultaneously repulsive and alluring. Palpatine’s primary leitmotif, introduced in “Return of the Jedi,” is constructed around commonplace minor triads that progress chromatically, in a kind of violation of natural musical law. As music theorist James Buhler writes, “The music gives the impression that only a very powerful sorcerer, perhaps only a god, could animate these chords thus.”
The brooding, wordless male chorus that intones Palpatine’s theme reinforces the sense of eldritch unease that the character exudes. Unlike the “Imperial March,” the Sith lord’s music is not overtly threatening, but mysterious and beguiling, like a dark siren’s call. The leitmotif draws from an old association in film and classical music that wordless choruses stand in as the voice of the divine — a technique especially favored by Williams’s old-Hollywood mentor, Alfred Newman, as in the vision scene in “The Song of Bernadette.” The emperor effectively takes one of the angelic choirs featured in epics like “The Robe” and “Ben-Hur” and gives it a satanic makeover.
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Williams’s compositions also capture Palpatine’s insidious influence on other characters. Some analysts have discerned the emperor’s melodic fingerprints in the themes for Kylo Ren and his light-side counterpart, Rey. It seems entirely possible that this latent musical relationship is a clue to Palpatine’s as-yet-unexplained role in the events of the new films.
Even more ingenious is the concealed transformation of his theme into a peppy children’s chorus in “The Phantom Menace.” This is a deliciously cynical little musical Easter egg: While the good guys think they’ve won the day, everything, including the soundtrack, is actually proceeding according to the villain’s design.
George Lucas wanted Palpatine’s rise to echo the ascents of real-life tyrants. “Democracies aren’t overthrown,” he claimed in a 2005 interview, “they’re given away.” Williams’s prequel scores reiterate that narrative with on-the-nose musical allusions. For example, when, as chancellor, Palpatine is granted emergency powers, the soundtrack channels the stately style Williams uses to characterize American politicians in a positive light: John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln, John Kennedy and Barack Obama, among others. Heard against Palpatine’s power-grab, such noble strains are perversely incongruent. But they illustrate the dangerous appeal of authoritarianism when presented through a filter of (here musically constructed) nostalgia and patriotism.
An even more forceful connection to American history is made when Palpatine declares himself emperor in “Revenge of the Sith.” For this pivotal scene, Williams reworks a portentous brass chorale from his score for Oliver Stone’s “Nixon.” The passage occurs during a re-creation of Nixon’s fiery speech at the 1968 Republican National Convention. The sequence exaggerates Nixon’s fascistic tendencies and, through Williams’s hyperbolic score, works hard to whip the viewer into a fevered, receptive emotional state. As scholars of music and propaganda have shown again and again, music is as powerful as spoken rhetoric when it comes to opening people up to political messaging. Such turbulent tunes invite us to root for the disgraced president — or space dictator.
The clearest demonstration of the seductive power of Williams’s music comes during the “Tragedy of Darth Plagueis” narration in “Revenge of the Sith,” which finds Palpatine attempting to plant dark desires in Anakin’s heart during an opera house performance of “Squid Lake” (really). At no point in the scene, recently singled out by “Rise of Skywalker” director J.J. Abrams as the best sequence in the entire prequel trilogy, does the emperor’s leitmotif play, but his musical machinations are all over the score. The first half of his narration is accompanied by the deepest male choir yet heard in the saga, chanting a single low B on naked vowel sounds, in the style of Tibetan Gyuto monks. The choir ceases being underscore and becomes diegetic — that is, part of the movie’s fictional space, hearable by its characters. The emperor’s malignant music has seeped out of the soundtrack and into the world of the film.
When Palpatine finally makes his pitch to Anakin, his music does something most uncharacteristic for a Sith: It gets ecclesiastical. For a brief 15-second span, the violas and cellos state a hushed, reverential hymn in pure, unadulterated C-sharp minor. The Sith lord’s secret takes up only five measures. But these measures are profoundly salient, evocative of an antiquated style that has not been heard before in Star Wars. If anything, the hymn is a spiritual cousin to Williams’s Holy Grail theme from “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.” In the orchestral score, the performance instruction is “liturgico” — like a prayer. The ultimate appeal to evil in this series, it would seem, hinges on a feeling of religiosity. A promise of occult knowledge, presented with just the right musical halo, is all it takes. A few scenes (and a temple full of assassinated Jedi) later, Anakin has succumbed to the dark side.
Film music is inherently and unapologetically manipulative, and for decades Williams has proved himself Hollywood’s master musical manipulator. While the black-and-white morality of Star Wars is on its face as simple as can be, the way Williams contributes to this moral universe is far from simplistic. With his music for villains like Vader, Kylo Ren and the emperor, Williams invites us to lower our guards. For the Jedi, the seductive power of evil is a constant threat. And for those of us watching their adventures, likewise, it’s something we can easily hum along to.
 

MinnesotaSmith

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Basically, he is mad that White/European music is played when the good guys are on but when the bad guys appear on screen, it plays Chinese, Indian, or Middle Eastern music so the latter will be associated with evil according to him.

I am re-playing the Darth Vader music in my head and for the life of me, I can't see where anyone would think that sounds like Chinese, Indian or Middle Eastern music.

Kind of like the darks that whined there weren't any blacks in The Lord of The Rings movies, ignoring all the orcs.
 

The Hammer

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Um...what?

These people aren't happy, will never be happy, don't want to be happy, and can't stand if anyone else is happy.

And if writing this kind of crap is what passes for deep higher learning, I missed my calling. I could heap huge piles of bovine manure just for the fun of it and become a highly paid professor at an Ivy League school.
 

homecanner1

Veteran Member
lol

I still giggle about the rancor decades ago over villains on the Death Star had a British accent.

White Christmas is racist, white picket fences are racist, white bread and mayo are racist

Recipe for Winter White Vegetable Soup ( roots n tubers ) Its probably racist too but tasty.


 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
John William is obviously a racist since he is white and writes white music which is the legacy of generations of whites. Star Wars music should have black or Oriental, simple as that to more importantly it should have reflected alien music from other world(s). In fact all human music is racist since it does not portray cultures from other planets.

That is what he is arguing...

Note, his name, "Ph.D. student Jeffrey Chen". He is saying the good guys music is sweeping and Wagnerian where the music for the bad guys is "Oriental"... Thus prejudiced against Asians.

Never mind the fact that, as a group, Asians have it better in America than any other race...
 

SquonkHunter

Geezer (ret.)
Stanford PhD Student: 'Star Wars' Music Is Racist
...Chen claims that the score takes European influences when the protagonists are on screen and Chinese, Indian, and Middle Eastern influences when antagonists are on screen...

BS! The so-called "Emperor's March" is actually an excerpt from Sergei Prokofiev's score for Sergei Eisenstein's 1938 film Alexander Nevsky. The film celebrates the 1242 Russian victory over the eeeeeeee-vil Teutonic Knights from Germany. In short, it portrays the Russians (East) as superior in every way (especially morally) to the Germans (West). This dipshit know-nothing grad student should fail the course and be shunned by all serious academics.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Just another minority raging at the world because he is a minority.

Ironic that when you consider the number of Asians in the world, he is far from a minority. He is only a minority in this country, and is having a hard time accepting that, and it seems to color his entire view of everything.
Maybe he should move to Asia where he wouldn't be a minority anymore.

People who view everything from a racial perspective are usually the biggest racists themselves.
 
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