HEALTH 'Sorry to burst the magic bubble' says Florida lawmaker of hydroxychloroquine as he battles COVID-19

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Sorry to burst the magic bubble' says Florida lawmaker of hydroxychloroquine as he battles COVID-19
Alessandro Marazzi Sassoon, Florida Today

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FDA: Hydroxychloroquine isn't safe or effective in treating, preventing COVID-19

After two weeks battling COVID-19, State Rep. Randy Fine (R-Palm Bay) posted on Facebook that he needed his lungs X-rayed as his symptoms now included a recurring fever and a hacking chest cough. He remarked that the hydroxychloroquine therapy he had been on proved ineffective.
“I’ve had a cold who knows how many times. I have never had to deal with anything like this. And for those who want to believe that (hydroxychloroquine) is some kind of magic solution, I’ve been taking that too (I don’t oppose it, but I am tired of people pretending it is magic),” he wrote in the post.
Randy Fine wearing glasses and smiling at the camera: A selfie by Republican State Rep. Randy Fine from his hospital bed at Holmes Regional Medical Center on Aug 4., 2020 where he was admitted for observation for COVDI-19.
© Courtesy of Randy Fine A selfie by Republican State Rep. Randy Fine from his hospital bed at Holmes Regional Medical Center on Aug 4., 2020 where he was admitted for observation for COVDI-19.
By the time the X-ray images came back showing lung damage serious enough that doctors ordered Fine to stay for observation, a debate over hydroxychloroquine raged on Fine's Facebook .

“Hydroxychloroquine as stated by many Doctors here and abroad is very effective. Had you been given that at the outset you might think it was magic indeed...” wrote one user.
“Was given it the day my test came back,” Fine replied. “Sorry to burst the magic bubble.”
Further on, netizens commented that surely Fine must have not been taking the drug “as prescribed” or following “protocol” (there is none established by any medical authority).
"I'm over it," Fine texted FLORIDA TODAY from his Holmes Regional Medical Center hospital bed on Monday. "People should be able to use it if they want. But people should stop pretending it is some kind of magic potion as well. If they need proof, look at me."
Since the early days of the pandemic, excitement over the possibility that cheap, widely available drugs might be repurposed to combat the novel coronavirus has spurred a flurry of research and clinical trials. But one non-peer reviewed, clinical study from France, which has been widely derided for its shoddy methodology, including randomly eliminating test subjects without explanation, and small sample size, touted the effectiveness of the decades old anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine when used alongside azithromycin the antibiotic commonly sold as Z-Pak.
Fervor around a possible miracle cure exploded, fueled by anecdotal reports that patients recovered suddenly after taking the drug. Before science could validate the results of the study, the drug was seized on by President Donald Trump who along with allies such as Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis secured vast quantities of the untested “cure” at taxpayer’s expense.
More: The coronavirus therapy President Trump is gambling on is backed by weak scientific data
a close up of a bottle: A pharmacist shows a bottle of the drug hydroxychloroquine on April 6, 2020, in Oakland, California. The malaria drug is not yet officially approved for fighting the new coronavirus, and scientists say more testing is needed before it's proven safe and effective against COVID-19.
© Ben Margot/AP A pharmacist shows a bottle of the drug hydroxychloroquine on April 6, 2020, in Oakland, California. The malaria drug is not yet officially approved for fighting the new coronavirus, and scientists say more testing is needed before it's proven safe and effective against COVID-19.
But successive clinical trials following standard scientific methods failed to replicate the results touted by the flawed studies that championed the therapy. The scientific consensus is that there is no measurable impact from taking the drug, alone, or alongside other medications.
U.S. health authorities began recommending against the use of the therapy outside of the controlled setting of a clinical trial because of the risk of adverse side-effects.
More: New guidelines 'recommend against' use of much-touted COVID-19 therapy outside of clinical trials
On Jul. 22 the highly-respected journal Nature published a first of it's kind study that looked at live human lung cells and found definitively that chloroquine had no anti-viral properties when it came to the virus that causes COVID-19.
The argument appeared to be settled.
Then, last week, President Trump again touted hydroxychloroquine after a group of physicians calling themselves “America’s Frontline Doctors” staged a press conference in front of the Supreme Court building in Washington D.C.
A video of one of the doctors, Stella Immanuel, claiming that a combination of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin and the nutritional supplement zinc were a cure quickly went viral. Even as social media platforms feverishly tried to take down the video for containing false and misleading claims it was re-posted by President Trump, major right-wing personalities and Donald Trump Jr.
Dr. Immanuel’s credentials have since come under scrutiny, along with her prior claims that certain real-life ailments are caused by sexual intercourse with demons.
This prompted assistant secretary for Health and Human Services, Adm. Brett Giroir, who was appointed to the White House's coronavirus task force to coordinate testing efforts, to say on 'Meet the Press' Sunday that it was time to "move on" and that the government does not recommend the therapy.
More: Hydroxychloroquine not effective; time to 'move on:' White House coronavirus testing chief Giroir
"The most well-designed studies so far, that are not anecdotal, but are actual studies, have indicated that there does not appear to be any beneficial effect on the use of hydroxychloroquine," said Jay Wolfson a public health policy expert and senior associate dean at the University of South Florida's medical school.
Despite this, believers in the treatment have persisted.
“He didn’t use the HCQ correctly,” a comment said on Randy Fine’s page. “You must take zinc with the hydroxychloraquine. (sic) The zinc is the magic bullet and the hydroxychloraquine (sic) carries it so it can prevent viral replication. Just curious, did you take the zinc too?”
“Yup. Sorry to burst the magic bubble,” Fine shot back.
a man wearing glasses taking a selfie: A selfie by Republican State Rep. Randy Fine from his hospital bed at Holmes Regional Medical Center on Aug 4., 2020 where he was admitted for observation for COVDI-19.
© Courtesy of Randy Fine A selfie by Republican State Rep. Randy Fine from his hospital bed at Holmes Regional Medical Center on Aug 4., 2020 where he was admitted for observation for COVDI-19.
In fact Fine said he took the drugs on the recommendation and prescription of his doctor, and contrary to assertions that the public is being denied access to the drug, Fine said he had no problem filling his prescription at CVS.
Certain states have curtailed easy access to hydroxychloroquine to prevent hoarding that was endangering access for patients with Lupus who also need the drug. But anybody with a prescription from a doctor willing to prescribe it for COVID-19, in theory, has access.
Fine has now stopped responding to commenters asking about whether he was taking the therapy.
"I just got tired of every time I made an update people stating that if I just took (hydroxychloroquine) I'd be magically healed which was particularly frustrating because I was taking it," he told FLORIDA TODAY in a text.
"Much of COVID has become politics as opposed to science," said USF's Wolfson. "And it's an old issue of science being viewed in some social circles as being antithetical to belief systems."
Whether it was polio or smallpox, Wolfson said resistance to science and public health expertise, despite concerted public information campaigns, has always been an issue.
"It took a long enough time where enough people died or were affected by it, that both individuals and communities and political systems and communities, took action. We've only been at this for seven months in this country."
Only then, Wolfson said, will the walls individual's belief systems have erected come down.
For Fine the situation is reminiscent of the polarization over masks. "It's like people can no longer accept disagreement with their view."
It should be noted that Wolfson has been retained as an expert witness for Hillsborough County, which is fighting against a lawsuit to repeal their mask mandate brought by Republican State Rep. Anthony Sabatini (R—Howey in the Hills).
Fine, for his part, thinks it's a matter of people needing to feel comforted during a difficult time.
"I think perhaps some people are clinging to this to psychologically manage their anxiety over the disease." he continued, adding "because if some pill can magically make it go away who has to worry?"
Alessandro Marazzi Sassoon is a watchdog reporter at FLORIDA TODAY.
Contact him at 321-355-8144, or asassoon@floridatoday.com. Twitter: @alemzs
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He's a politician, so why should I believe what he says about HCQ?

He could have been either threatened or paid to say that statement.

When he said, "“Was given it the day my test came back,” Fine replied. “Sorry to burst the magic bubble.”, I see that he is 'distancing' himself. In a situation like this, he Should have said, "I was given it, instead of Was given it".

He is also too 'wordy' and keeps using the word 'magic'.

I would say that he is lying or following a 'script' written by someone else.

And his body language/facial expression leads me to believe that he doesn't believe his own statements and is trying to hide in plain sight. V
 
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jazzy

Advocate Discernment
so i saw the guy talka bout taking the HCQ, then read a description of taking HCQ _ zpack, but they didnt mention him taking the zinc or the need for zinc with is the critical part.

later in the article making fun of the frontline doctors they quote that dr emmanual saying HCQ _ zpak plus zinc works.

it wasnt written fairly -
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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“I’ve had a cold who knows how many times. I have never had to deal with anything like this.
Well Scooter, I’ve had bronchitis a bunch of times and pneumonia twice. I HAVE dealt with something like that. The reporting person in the OP says he was taking zinc, but near as I can tell, not z-pac. Further, he doesn’t say how far along he was in the disease progression. From all I’ve read, you have to take it quickly.

I have to discount his report.
 
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TerryK

TB Fanatic
According to Pres Trump's Surgeon General, the only one on his Covid team that he still likes, there have been 5 controlled double blind trials of the drug, by itself, with zinc, and with zithro. All came back with no effect on the virus and an occasional side effect.

If you want HCQ you can still get it from your doctor.
My son, an ARNP could write a script for me here in Florida if I asked him to, but I'm kind of going with the predominant medical knowledge on this.
I have not and will not switch my personal doctor to a doctor / prosperity minister, who learned her medicine in Nigeria and believes dreaming of movie stars can induce spirit pregnancies that magically deflate when she prays over them.

I'll go with keeping myself as healthy and physically fit as possible, wearing a mask when in stores and around other people and not getting close to other people. So far it's worked for me here in Florida where another 225 people died yesterday.
US hospitals, at the expense of thousands of deaths, have developed their treatment regimen to result in a very low death ratio compared to many other countries. And it doesn't involve HCQ.
If it floats your boat you can still get a doctor to prescribe it for you.
Best of luck.
You do you and I'll do me.
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would think it quite likely that Hydroxychloroquine wouldn't work on every single person. I think one of the studies said something like 60% showed improvement with this drug. Obviously with any virus I would assume some people are more susceptible than others.
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Masks aren’t effective either ... but it’s mandatory to wear them. The vaccine won’t be either, but you might be force to get it. Staying home under shutdown orders didn’t stop it did it?

Funny ... all the BS they’re throwing at us.
 

blackjeep

The end times are here.
USAToday, and MSN
Who would have guessed they would have an agenda?
Neither one of those two POS "news organizations" would say even one positive word about anything other than what is promoted by the Medical Mafia. Isn't it funny that front line doctors both here and abroad have had overwhelmingly successful results by using HCQ. But here in the US, the media says it doesn't work and will kill some people.
Somebody is lying.
IMO, this story is just another hit piece against a drug that challenges the money making potential of big pharma's expensive treatments.
 

workerbee

* Winter is Coming *
Randy Fine is a psuedo conservative arsehole about to lose re-election and 'round here, we're all happy about that.
I don't wish him harm, but he's wealthy enough that he'll just move on, and maybe get a tummy tuck as his obesity is a factor that has caused COVID to kick his ass.

I also know exactly who he contracted it from, the story is quite hilarious....a local Melbourne Beach restrauntour was the unintended culprit.

Local politics is something round here.

Randy Fine will be fine, but not his re-election bid THANK THE DEAR LORD.

How about we discard anything this dipshit says?
Us locals do.
 

Skyraider

Senior Member
Brother, you folks are one tough audience. He’s a liar, he didn’t start quick enough, He didn’t get the right mix, he’s an asshole, he’s a front man for the enemy, he and his doctors are idiots, he didn’t take the zinc, he didn’t take the z-pac, he’s to wordy, I don’t like his choice of words, etc, etc, etc. geez.
Thank God all the geniuses are here in one little group. Just sayin’ and trying to do the best I can at age 70 with Aspergillosis.
Skyraider
 

MetalMan

Veteran Member
It doesn't work but he still took it and he is still alive. Besides, everyone knows wearing masks prevent covid-19 which in the pictures he was not doing.
 

Cacheman

Ultra MAGA!
And than there's the other end of the spectrum....




Idaho Governor Brad Little seeking immunity from civil liability - UncoverDC
Daniel Bobinski

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By Daniel Bobinski
On March 18, Idaho’s Governor Brad Little restricted pharmacists from dispensing hydroxychloroquine for off label use.

Since that time, 217 Idahoans have died from Covid-related deaths, many of them without the choice to be treated with zinc and hydroxychloroquine. Suddenly Governor Little is calling a special session of Idaho’s part-time legislature to address “liability reform during emergencies.” Documents obtained by this writer show an objective for the special session is to establish immunity from civil liability.

One question being asked by Idahoans is, “Immunity from what?” They want to know if the governor is attempting to shield himself from lawsuits by families of people who died of Covid because the governor restricted off-label use of hydroxychloroquine.

Other questions heard by this writer include:
  • “Why did Governor Little block the use of hydroxychloroquine for off-label use the day before it became an issue at the national coronavirus press briefing?”
  • “Since when does a governor get to tell doctors what they can or cannot prescribe?”
A memo published March 19 by the Idaho State Board of Pharmacy reads as follows (emphasis added):
Yesterday the Board conducted an emergency meeting and approved the following language at the request of the Governor. The new Temporary Rule is effective immediately.
Medication Limitations.

  1. No prescription for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine may be dispensed except if all the following apply:
  2. The prescription bears a written diagnosis from the prescriber consistent with the evidence for its use;
  3. The prescription is limited to no more than a fourteen (14) day supply, unless the patient was previously established on the medication prior to the effective date of this rule; and
  4. No refills may be permitted unless a new prescription is furnished.
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Let that sink in.
  • The governor had the State Board of Pharmacy meet for a special session.
  • At the governor’s request, hydroxychloroquine was restricted – before it became controversial
On March 26, Idaho’s State Board of Pharmacy also restricted the use of azithromycin using almost identical wording. Those rules stayed in place until the Board of Pharmacy rescinded them on June 11. This writer has spoken with several medical doctors, including emergency room physician Joshua Dopko, who all said never in their decades of medical practice had they seen any drug be restricted for off-label use.

A non-responsive governor

Multiple attempts have been made by Miste Karlfeldt, Executive Director of Health Freedom Idaho, to meet with Governor Little since the Covid crisis began, but the governor has remained reclusive and generally unavailable to people wanting to talk with him. It’s been only recently that the Governor has appeared on a morning talk radio show in Boise, where questions are highly regulated.

In a conversation this writer had with a high-ranking state official who chooses to remain anonymous, Governor Little was described as undergoing a “Jekyll/Hyde” conversion when Covid came to town. He went from legislating like a solid conservative to bending his knee to the medical establishment.

Example: At a press conference early in the Covid scare, Governor Little was asked about herd immunity. Rather than discuss the matter, Little quickly brushed the idea aside, saying, “Developing herd immunity takes too long. The ability to go back to normal depends on a vaccine.”

Hydroxychloroquine’s role in treating Covid has been hotly debated by medical professionals since President Trump brought it up after being contacted by Dr. Vladimir Zelenko about its effectiveness. The drug, commonly called HCQ, was approved in 1965 and has been on the World Health Organization’s list of Essential Medicines for decades. It is prescribed worldwide in generic form for mere pennies per dose.

Studies showing HCQ be dangerous published by the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine were debunked and both journals were forced to issue retractions.

In an interview with this writer, Karlfeldt said, “The governors restriction of HCQ is abhorrent. HCQ is one of the safest and most effective prescription drugs. It impressively improves survival [of Covid], it’s inexpensive, and we have good supply. In contrast, the government-favored drug, remdesivir, has only been shown to decrease survivors’ hospital stay by four days, with no demonstrable improvement in survival.”

It should be noted that whereas HCQ costs pennies per dose, remdesivir costs approximately $3,000 per dose.

Karlfeldt also said, “Why would the Governor deny Idahoans a possible life saving measure? Why has he put himself in a position of authority over our medical choices and our health care providers? The Governor needs to remove himself as the dictator of healthcare and leave treatment options where they belong, between the doctors and their patients.”

The State of Idaho receives $100,000 for every Covid patient, and, because nothing has been published otherwise, hospitals are still receiving $13,000 for every Covid patient admitted and $39,000 for every Covid patient that requires a ventilator.

Why is the governor seeking immunity?


The consensus among many Idahoans is that Little would not be seeking immunity unless his lawyers were telling him to do so. Attorney Colton Boyles, founding partner of Boyles Law in Sandpoint, Idaho, told this writer, “It is quite possible Governor Little is guilty of practicing medicine without a license. Idaho law is clear about who can diagnose and treat a disease, and for an non-licensed elected official to determine how a medicine is to be used or not used may be crossing that line.”

Boyles continued, “Doctors say zinc, HCQ, and azithromycin are highly effective at treating Covid at the onset of symptoms. With that, for the Governor to restrict that treatment means more patients ended up in the hospital, and that’s where the federal aid money comes in. It’s not hard to see how access to federal money has been driving decisions in our government and creating a politically motivated mis-spending frenzy.”

When asked about the governor seeking immunity, Karlfeldt said, “Governor Little seems to be seeking liability for himself, his cronies, and businesses willing to do his bidding. Can you imagine a world where government, schools, and businesses can require anything from you and enforce anything upon you in the name of ‘safety,’ but do so without liability? This is in direct conflict with our structure of government. Executive, legislative, and judicial all are to be three coequal branches of government. Essentially, the governor would like the executive and legislative branch to be untouchable by the citizens and the judicial branch. If the government grants itself immunity, this would be an egregious violation of the Constitution and their oaths of office.”
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Practical

Veteran Member
Don't want it, don't take it. Think it will help ya? Take it. I would take it, but that's me, I don't tell other people what they should or shouldn't do, that's between them and their doctor. But it seems like every negative article about it gets posted with such a quickness...or is that just confirmation bias on my part?
 

Squib

Veteran Member
Well, that fart knocker sounds like an idiot...

First, if he’s well enough to be smiling for the camera whilst having C-19, either the disease is all hype, or something’s keeping him fairly healthy.

As Dennis stated, try a good case of Bronchitis/pneumonia and you’ll be sucking buttermilk!

Turd...he’s alive isn’t he?

Most of the Dems would have us believe it’s an instant death warrant if you get C-19...

”Magic bullet”? Seriously? What a pus bucket...
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
If we had a time machine and asked him to travel back in time to when he first learned he'd contracted COVID-19...would he forgo the treatment? Knowing what he knows now of course.

I bet not.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He took the drug with zinc from the day he tested positive. Said so in the story. Doesn't mention antibiotics. But those are just to treat opportunist infections. So their use, or not, should not change the outcome unless there is a secondary infection.

There are no magic drugs. I maintain that this drug works mostly with the placebo effect. People will fight harder if they think they have been given strong magic medicine. If it does work, then it only works for some. which makes it like most other medicines. They work for some people and not for others.

I know some of you believe in this drug so much that you want your priest to replace the communion water with it. But it's not magic and it can't bring back the way things were.
 

marymonde

Veteran Member
I know some of you believe in this drug so much that you want your priest to replace the communion water with it. But it's not magic and it can't bring back the way things were.
I’ve watched you almost cheer for this virus to be far worse than it is. And the medications that have proved to be effective on many people. No drug works equally on everyone. My dad had a reaction to penecillin, had a severe reaction. The doctor had to shoot epinephrine straight into his heart to save him. My daughter inherited that same horrific reaction. Now my son had strep that turned into Scarlet fever, his kidneys were compromised at 3 years old because of it. Guess what saved him, penicillin. Get it? Life’s a crapshoot.

Your comment I quoted was in very bad taste and stupid. WTH is communion water?
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Brother, you folks are one tough audience. He’s a liar, he didn’t start quick enough, He didn’t get the right mix, he’s an asshole, he’s a front man for the enemy, he and his doctors are idiots, he didn’t take the zinc, he didn’t take the z-pac, he’s to wordy, I don’t like his choice of words, etc, etc, etc. geez.
Thank God all the geniuses are here in one little group. Just sayin’ and trying to do the best I can at age 70 with Aspergillosis.
Skyraider
The protocols are quite clear, and have been published via bonanza fide medical personnel multiple times:

- HCL + zinc + Z-pac
- Take it early

Failing to follow that protocol exactly will attenuate the efficacy of the regimen

Don't want it, don't take it. Think it will help ya? Take it. I would take it, but that's me, I don't tell other people what they should or shouldn't do, that's between them and their doctor. But it seems like every negative article about it gets posted with such a quickness...or is that just confirmation bias on my part?
Every article on everything, be they positive or negative, gets posted here.
 

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He took the drug with zinc from the day he tested positive. Said so in the story. Doesn't mention antibiotics. But those are just to treat opportunist infections. So their use, or not, should not change the outcome unless there is a secondary infection.

There are no magic drugs. I maintain that this drug works mostly with the placebo effect. People will fight harder if they think they have been given strong magic medicine. If it does work, then it only works for some. which makes it like most other medicines. They work for some people and not for others.

I know some of you believe in this drug so much that you want your priest to replace the communion water with it. But it's not magic and it can't bring back the way things were.

I have a tendency to say, balderdash!

It has nothing to do with belief or not. My considerably older, non-tv-news watching 97-year-old MIL had none/Zero/zilch idea of what Hydroxachloriquine/Zpack even was before she got ill with COVID so the placebo effect would be useless on her.

The FACT is, properly administrated, it works a heck of a lot more than any other regime I've heard so far. Is it magic? No, because its use varies from person to person, just like most medicines that produce aftereffects to some people like Rep. Fine more than others.

Oh and today I saw my Dr. for my yearly physical and in talking with his nurse while waiting, we talked of course about Hydrox. She told me her Pharmacist came down with it and the first dose worked IMMEDIATELY so I now have 2 (two) verified first-hand testimonies!
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
ASS.

No where does he say he took it PROPERLY--

HCQ, plus azithromycin, plus zinc.

Together.

Simultaneously.

But then when did liberals ever figure out HOW TO FOLLOW LOGICAL DIRECTIONS?
 

All4liberty

Senior Member
There are no magic drugs. I maintain that this drug works mostly with the placebo effect. People will fight harder if they think they have been given strong magic medicine. If it does work, then it only works for some. which makes it like most other medicines. They work for some people and not for others.

Just stop, you are making yourself look ridiculous. To say it is the placebo effect, is almost as stupid as saying covid 19 can't be caught if you are protesting.

There is actual science behind the use of HQ protocol, just like there is politics behind every attempt to discount HQ by the media. Back around 2005 Dr. Fauci felt it was effective to treat a "relative" of covid19, I guess when you have a patient on a pending treatment you don't want anything cheap to get in the way of making lots of money.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He wouldn't know if it saved his life. Everybody reacts different because they have different bodies and metabolism. If he hadn't taken it he may have been pushing daisy already. One will never know. I can guarantee you I will not take medical advice from a Polytick. Don't let the Politicians and bureaucrats practice medicine.
 
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