EBOLA Someone smarter than me help me understand this Ebola BS

[Jubilee on Earth]

I have a hard time believing it's NOT B.S.! It just feels... I don't know. Hinky. I read The Hot Zone twice, and have read many other articles about Ebola. And everything that I've read goes into great detail about how devastating this disease is to the human body, and that even when cured, a person is ravaged. Some of the descriptions the Hot Zone gave about how one looks/feels after cured reminds me of a cancer patient. Unable to talk with a normal voice for a few weeks. Difficulty breathing for several months. Sores and rashes. Some hair loss. Significant weight loss. Sometimes the bowels are compromised, as is the liver. Think about how you feel on the first day of recovery after a really nasty flu. Ebola is much, much worse than the flu.

I understand that we've had advances in medicine, and that we're giving these people the best treatment possible, but this gal looks like she just stepped out of a fashion shoot. She looks 10x better on her worst day than I do on my best day. The Hot Zone also said that recovery is slow, and that a person may need rehabilitation therapy for several weeks, and a possible long hospital stay. I'm just not seeing anything in the photos or videos of Nina Pham or Amber Vinson that these women had battled a Level 4 pathogen like Ebola.

Someone please enlighten me...!!

 

[BrendanGM]

Motion pictures are meant to produce a profit
or distribute propaganda, or a simple viewpoint.

To never refer to them when seeking the truth
about anything would be a good enough
policy.

Does that help?

 

[Dex]

It's a mixture of BS and truth. Think about it along political lines and it's easier to understand. The Dems screwed up letting it into the country in the first place, now they are doing damage control by constructing lies, elaborate scenarios, etc. This nurse probably never had it at all. Consider that Patient Zero died and we haven't seen any real hard evidence that the family is even still alive, they were whisked away. Going into an election we have to expect a lot of lies. Maybe some truth will come out after the election but right now everything is being covered up. It's damage control. For all we know it could be running rampant across the country.

We are seeing the kind of socialist media control that is normally seen in strictly communist countries. I wouldn't believe anything until after the election. I have a feeling some things will break loose after Nov 4th. It seems likely that the Repubs will have control of the majority at that time and then all stops will be let out to try to make them look bad.

Bottom line, you can drive yourself crazy trying to make sense of it so the best thing to do is be skeptical about everything, look at everything through the political lens and adjust accordingly.

 

[brokenwings]

I feel the same way you do. Somethings not right and something stinks!! I doubt a recovering E patient would even have the energy to travel to the Whitehouse for a visit! I small a rat! I believe we are being shown actors and the real E patients have been hidden from sight! If we really saw how horrible it was we would demand all travel from Africa stop and we sure wouldn't let O bring all those E patients here to treat! We are being conditioned to believe it is no big deal, not even as bad as the flu.

 

[skeptic]

They both got "plasma therapy" early in their illnesses. And perhaps other experimental treatment(s) as well. It's good news -- there's probably something that works.

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

So... has there ever been a story posted about what happened to Louise and where she is?????

 

[Fedupgranny]

I completely agree...as someone said the other day on another thread...there seems to be a big difference in African Ebola and American Ebola. Amazing that all the American patients have recovered and are "virus free" within two weeks of diagnosis. I too smell a rat...a huge rat!!!

 

[night driver]

PART of the reason they look like they do is the steroids they have been taking, as anti-inflamatories.

Those pics are showing CLASSIC samples of Steroid Chipmunk Cheeks.

 

[Sacajawea]

The news is now a made for tv fairy tale. Only conclusion I can come to.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Someone smarter than me help me understand this Ebola BS


The government is totally lying. Now you know everything you need to...

 

[Martinhouse]

I wonder if it's actually possible to ever completely know the true state of things? I'm pretty sure how much to believe of "official" information, but I'm not at all sure of how much to believe or disbelieve of all the non-official things I'm reading and hearing.

How can one make decisions when there is so much conflicting information?

Carol

 

[Faroe]

Been some discussion on other threads, even back with Dr. Kent Brantley. I was CONVINCED the whole thing was a hoax when he strolled out - same newly minted penny spa vacation look to him. Several medical people here said cortisone can do this.

Based on that, I am no longer convinced, I just have absolutely NO idea what to make of it.


In other news, doc gives big, exuberant, close hug to freshly recovered Ebola patient... and returns to his other patients.

 

[Masterchief117]

I wonder if it's actually possible to ever completely know the true state of things? I'm pretty sure how much to believe of "official" information, but I'm not at all sure of how much to believe or disbelieve of all the non-official things I'm reading and hearing.

How can one make decisions when there is so much conflicting information?

Carol

Never trust the government completely.

Never trust the MSM completely.

Pray about it.

Go with your gut feelings.

Analyze all available information and with prayer, make your decision.

 

[Masterchief117]

Once we (US) start having multiple dozens of cases across the country, then we'll see the reality of the situation - Ebola does indeed kill people in the first world with modern facilities, staff and equipment.

 

[byronandkathy2003]

I completely agree...as someone said the other day on another thread...there seems to be a big difference in African Ebola and American Ebola. Amazing that all the American patients have recovered and are "virus free" within two weeks of diagnosis. I too smell a rat...a huge rat!!!

i think those nurses never had anything and it is and was a big show.

so now a lot of dgi's will think Ebola is no big deal they can cure you of it just look what they did for those nurses.

the gov is hoping we will believe the dog and pony show and go about our lives and think all is good.

all is not good if the sheeple end up thinking this way.

Ebola will show up big time and they will think it is no big deal we will just go to the hosp and they will cure us just like those nurses were

right now i think it is scare us with ebola and then say see no big deal we can cure it.

and then ebola does show up and many will die and by that time it will be to late to do any thing about it.

 

[Be Well]

They both got "plasma therapy" early in their illnesses. And perhaps other experimental treatment(s) as well. It's good news -- there's probably something that works.

They also got supportive care and experimental treatments very early in the disease progression. People in Africa are not so fortunate, and if/when ebola gets going here, people here won't be so fortunate either.

 

[summerthyme]

Been some discussion on other threads, even back with Dr. Kent Brantley. I was CONVINCED the whole thing was a hoax when he strolled out - same newly minted penny spa vacation look to him. Several medical people here said cortisone can do this.

Based on that, I am no longer convinced, I just have absolutely NO idea what to make of it.


In other news, doc gives big, exuberant, close hug to freshly recovered Ebola patient... and returns to his other patients.

I saw more recent pictures of Brantly somewhere, and he looked like hell- gaunt face, dark circles under his eyes. I think the steroid affect is real (it also can give you energy and sort of a "high" for awhile... coming back down can suck, depending on doses)

Summerthyme

 

[Gingergirl]

PART of the reason they look like they do is the steroids they have been taking, as anti-inflamatories.

Those pics are showing CLASSIC samples of Steroid Chipmunk Cheeks.

I agree. My first thought was, 'how Puffy Nina's face looks' and thought edema or steroids. In her video with Obama, she looked exhausted and a bit glassy. I thought it was cruel to send her off to photo op with Obama when she obviously needed to go home and rest...for a long time.

Saw Dr. Brantley on FOX a few days ago and he still looked worn down.

Must be hard to take it slow and easy when feeling the euphoria of have just survived, especially after seeing others die.

 

[Tristan]

It's a mixture of BS and truth. Think about it along political lines and it's easier to understand. The Dems screwed up letting it into the country in the first place, now they are doing damage control by constructing lies, elaborate scenarios, etc. This nurse probably never had it at all. Consider that Patient Zero died and we haven't seen any real hard evidence that the family is even still alive, they were whisked away. Going into an election we have to expect a lot of lies. Maybe some truth will come out after the election but right now everything is being covered up. It's damage control. For all we know it could be running rampant across the country.

We are seeing the kind of socialist media control that is normally seen in strictly communist countries. I wouldn't believe anything until after the election. I have a feeling some things will break loose after Nov 4th. It seems likely that the Repubs will have control of the majority at that time and then all stops will be let out to try to make them look bad.

Bottom line, you can drive yourself crazy trying to make sense of it so the best thing to do is be skeptical about everything, look at everything through the political lens and adjust accordingly.

Dex, if you don't trust the Media now, why would you after the election?

Will they take a truth serum at 11:59 PM the evening of the election or something?

 

[Wise Owl]

Yup, steroids will do that. My sister and mother were on them for a long time before they died for their asthma. They both had that round face look and their bodies were bloated with fluid.

Wait a week or two and see if they are still parading them around looking all plump and fresh.

They are doing the dog and pony show while those patients are still high on the steroids. It won't last.

 

[raven]

I honestly believe it has to do with the deflationary spiral. Somehow it is seen as the "justification" for increasing the amount of borrowing - money creation to offset deflation.
I don't know how it would work - but it seems to be the only explanation. Recall that QE just ended and Ebola plague began.

 

[bluelady]

BrendanGM: true enough, but are you referring to The Hot Zone? It's a well-researched non-fiction book. Essential reading, IMHO.

Jubilee, I have the same question, and I think all of the answers are correct.

We will never really know everything for sure. We do know that many lie, many have an agenda, many are ignorant, many are DGI.

In general, conditions in America are truly different than in most of Africa. Better hygiene, better general health, better immunity, better and less crowded living conditions, different cultural practices, better technology, more money, more supplies, and so on.

As far as I remember, the U.S. Ebola patients have all been returning U.S. citizens (so have the lifelong background of better health/conditions), all began treatment very early on, and all received transfusions from Brantly. Except of course for Duncan, who was different on all counts, and who was the only one to die.

Personally I'm praying for the best, preparing for the worst, and trying not to get discouraged by the crazies.

 

[Jubilee on Earth]

Great answers and perspective. Did all of them get experimental plasma from former Ebola patients? I can't imagine that a dose or two of steroids and some IV fluids are what cured them -- steroids couldn't be that hard to distribute to sick patients in Africa. And if the plasma is so miraculous, why aren't the west African countries adopting those practices? It all just seems so... propaganda. I agree with Dennis' comment and the others who say it's the gov's dog and pony show. Not saying they weren't really cured, but when The Hot Zone talks about 2 months and these celebrity patients are getting cured in 2 weeks, I mean heck. I've had zits that lasted longer than that. Just sayin...

 

[summerthyme]

JoE.... I don't think you can begin to understand just how backwards and poorly equipped most of those clinics in Africa are. I've often joked that my vet medical cabinet is "better equipped than a third world clinic"... but the truth is, that's not a joke. It's true.

They don't have *IV's*! Their "pain control" is Tylenol. Rehydration- if it's practiced at all- is accomplished by handing the patient a bottle of ORS (oral rehydration solution) and a cup. And instructions "drink as much as you can".

"Care" is mostly limited to occasionally cleaning up the puddles of diarrhea and vomit, and taking away the bodies. They may try to help feed patients who are conscious, but this disease apparently causes a severe sore mouth and throat, so eating most of the foods available over there isn't possible.

The MSF and Samaritan's Purse clinics are almost certainly better equipped, but they're only able to care for so many.

Also, intensive care has improved pretty much continually since it was invented. We are able to save people (from various maladies) now that 10 years ago- hell, 5 years ago- would have died. The delicate balancing of electrolytes is both art and science, and is possible here in a way they can't even dream of in Africa. They can put in central lines and give concentrated nutrient solutions via IV that aren't possible in a simple IV in a peripheral vein. So even calorie intake can be maintained... and if a person isn't able to take in food via mouth for long, they insert a stomach tube.

The nutritional profile and general state of health of the average American is also important. In most, this isn't piggybacking on top of chronic malaria, and various parasite infections. While the health of most American's isn't ideal by a long shot, it's lightyears better than that of the average African.

I'm not saying there aren't good reasons to question some of this, but if they are able to administer blood plasma antibodies to someone who has BARELY begun to run a fever, it is entirely possible they can actually shortcircuit the worst of the disease. If some of these folks start "running" to avoid quarantine, and then deny that they are ill for several days when they first begin to run a fever (out of hubris, pride, or whatever) we're likely to see a rather different outcome.

Summerthyme

 

[Nean7]

Never trust the government completely.

Never trust the MSM completely.

Pray about it.

Go with your gut feelings.

Analyze all available information and with prayer, make your decision.

Yup, I agree...my gut says...nope not right.

 

[Emilys]

I completely agree...as someone said the other day on another thread...there seems to be a big difference in African Ebola and American Ebola. Amazing that all the American patients have recovered and are "virus free" within two weeks of diagnosis. I too smell a rat...a huge rat!!!

And looking fabulous, giving press conferences...and meeting with the President, even!

 

[DHR43]

I have a hard time believing it's NOT B.S.! It just feels... I don't know. Hinky. I read The Hot Zone twice, and have read many other articles about Ebola. And everything that I've read goes into great detail about how devastating this disease is to the human body, and that even when cured, a person is ravaged. Some of the descriptions the Hot Zone gave about how one looks/feels after cured reminds me of a cancer patient. Unable to talk with a normal voice for a few weeks. Difficulty breathing for several months. Sores and rashes. Some hair loss. Significant weight loss. Sometimes the bowels are compromised, as is the liver. Think about how you feel on the first day of recovery after a really nasty flu. Ebola is much, much worse than the flu.

I understand that we've had advances in medicine, and that we're giving these people the best treatment possible, but this gal looks like she just stepped out of a fashion shoot. She looks 10x better on her worst day than I do on my best day. The Hot Zone also said that recovery is slow, and that a person may need rehabilitation therapy for several weeks, and a possible long hospital stay. I'm just not seeing anything in the photos or videos of Nina Pham or Amber Vinson that these women had battled a Level 4 pathogen like Ebola.

Someone please enlighten me...!!

Jubilee On Earth:

To answer your question as the whether 'This Ebola Story' is BS, you'll need to understand several things; the awful environment and health calamity that is West Africa every day; the many, many conditions that can cause the symptoms that characterize & mimic Ebola (the real thing, that is); the useless tests that are being used to 'diagnose' Ebola (the real thing); the fact that the government and government agencies lie; and that there are numerous, complex and nefarious agendas in play.

I will point you to a website where you can learn the facts.

I will also tell you that the author of the website will then be discredited on this board, his conclusions denigrated, his arguments vilified and he will be called every name in the book. You could listen to the vitriol expressed and allow that to influence you OR your could read his site (I mean spend time and make the effort to unlearn what you think you know and then re-learn what you currently do not know). THEN could decide on your own what to think.

So, I've given you fair notice:

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/

 

[Dex]

Dex, if you don't trust the Media now, why would you after the election?

Will they take a truth serum at 11:59 PM the evening of the election or something?

Maybe I didn't explain my point clearly enough, I didn't mean to say that you can believe them after the election, I just meant that I think the truth will benefit their spin more afterwards.

I NEVER really believe the media and you have to take everything on a case by case basis, I have learned to filter the truth out of BS. It's called SPIN when it comes to the media. Right now it's being spun to be no big deal before the election. After the election when the Repubs have the majority it will be SPUN again to reveal more truth and try to make the Repubs look like they can't handle it either. After the election the difference will be that it will benefit the WH to allow the truth out about how many are infected, right now it hurts the WH so it's being covered up. It's really pretty simple when you consider who benefits or is hurt by certain information or the withholding of certain information.

Has nothing to do with taking any serum and having an election change my view, it's all about knowing how they play the game. I'm non-partisan anyway so I'm able to step back and look at the circus with a wider perspective, something that most dems and repubs are unable to do because they are caught up in the BS.

 

[Kook]

Dex, if you don't trust the Media now, why would you after the election?

Will they take a truth serum at 11:59 PM the evening of the election or something?

Now THAT is truly funny. Right you are, Tristan, the goons will just double down on every lie they ever told, they just want the power of the state to help cover up anything they want.